Trader Jerry is Back

Well the Saints covet a top flight LB. If we stay in a base 4-3 it makes our needs for a LB at the 11th pick less important. So if say Merriman or Derrik Johnson were availabe, perhaps the Saints would be willing to move Howard to in order to swap picks in the first round.

is Howard an upgrade over Merriman or Johnson?

I would take my chances in the draft over giving up 11 for Howard.

Well then we’d get the Saints first pick, still having two first rounder and Howard. Thus the three cornerstone players Jerry was talking about. Jon your logic is always confusing to me.

you are saying we get the saint later pick……just trade picks and we get howard and we do not give up Nguyen? well that aint giving up much

i would definiately give the saints the 11th pick for howard and their first rounder. i would even think about the 11th for howard and a 2nd, and a 3rd rounder. as long as we keep dat. the only way that they get dat is if we give them the 11th and dat; for howard their first rounder and a second, and next years first. they are the ones that are trying to get rid of howard. we are not trying to get rid on dat. we are trying to keep him. but if the price is right. then it turns into a business. sorry dat!

Rafael,

Good stuff again!!

If the “Boys” in the war room are suave enough, Dallas can own this draft. Your hypatheticals suggest that the Cowboys could possibly add a few picks by trading down out of the 20 spot. I am all for that, and trading down out of the 11th spot too. Jones is very very smart by putting the Boys out there as possible trade partners with anyone looking to move up. With your, Rafael’s, scenarios and a possible trade down out of the 11th spot Jerry and Bill could trade down a couple of times and add a host of picks. In these threads we, Cowboys’ fans, often write about Jimmy Johnson’s and Bill Parcells’ war room strategies. The one trait they have in common, and it leads to a lot of their success, is they stock pile selections. Its quite possible that the Boys end up with 10+ selections including a late 1st rounder, three 2nd rounders, a 4th, a 5th, two 6ths, and a 7th, PLUS another 1st next year. If “another Buffalo” comes calling and offers next years 1st and a later 1st (or picks of equal value) this year for the 11th selection this year, then Dallas could end up with two 1sts next year too.

I am glad that we have the best owner in the NFL. Smart!! Very smart Jerry!! Scream out loud, “DALLAS IS WILLING TO TRADE DOWN, WITH ANYONE LOOKING TO MOVE UP!!”

Does the fact that Miami, SF, Cleveland and others are also looking to trade down lower the possiblity of us trading our picks……..but then again maybe the 11 is a better trade than the top three. Salary cap and all to consider.

I guess a lot will depend on who the first 10 picks are and where they go. Maybe another Buffalo will emerge. Guess we will know in a few weeks.

If Adrian Peterson were available would he be the first running back taken?

Eric,

So tell me of this “so much success” that you say Jerry and Bill have had. Surely you can’t be talking about the draft. Outside of Witten and JJ, who else have they drafted together that we know is worth a darn? You can’t be talking about the win/loss records because we had a losing record last year in Bills second season. So tell what success is it that you speak of?

Im all for being positive about the future, but we also need to be honest in the fact that Bill and Jerry have made many more bad decisions together than good decisions. Lets hope the future is brighter than the past.

Josh,

In addition toWitten and Jones add Terrence Newman, Bill has brought in FAs willing to play and perform. From old retreads like Richie Anderson, to the likes of giving Joey Galloway for Keyshawn Johnson…we even had Adrian Murrel running again….just look at the numbers…..Galloway has not been the same since sitting out that season from Seattle……..when dallas gave up a top pick for him. Bill has an eye for talent, and for his type of player. Possibly a bigger disappointment in the Bryant for Morgan trade, but hey Antonio had his chances. He came out strong, and then quit running his routes. That is not the sign of a champion. Gone! That is better in the long run than coddling these overpaid underperformers.

Now Jason Ferguson came home, to play for Bill and one can speculate a few other guys would too. We also signed Testaverde and Bledsoe. Not necessarily a great move, but Bledsoe could have more gas in the tank than Vinny.

Rogers, Peterman, are still young Rivera joined the team and so did Henry……were these guys coming to play for Campo, Gailey or Switzer……..NO…..Atlanta drafts late rounders……or takes our cast offs like Lehr and TEACHES and DEVELOPs offensive lineman so does Denver. Which for as much as these high round guys will get with no promise of performance looks smart to me.

He appears to have gambled at CB last year to replace the Edwards by Committee and maybe that did not work last year…….and we lost Woodson unexpected……..and Jones got injured. Had those two injuries not occurred……….we are 9-7 and in the playoffs or BETTER…….Reshard Lee carried the ball well but needs to learn to block……..he is getting production from special teams and look for Dallas to get more TDs on Punt and Kick returns. Bill loves special teams players.

Parcells might have overplayed his hand the first year. If Dallas had gone 6-10 his first year and no playoffs……..Bill would have made the wholesale changes last offseason………Marcellus Wiley probably would not have been signed………Carter would have been seen as a failure…….and he have switched the D in last years draft……..so last year was a big disappointment for Parcells and Jones and the Cowboys. Injuries Killed us. None moreso than Jones and Woodson. Add in the whole Quincy Carter affair…….as distraction and a new QB in Vinny…..that is a lot of change for team to undergo and still be successful.

I still think our D has potential as a legitimate 4-3 with the personnel. Hopefullly James, Thornton and Shanle can play to the Nguyen and Coakley standard we are used to at LB.

Rafael has pointed out how well Parcells has done in the draft. I am excited about not just this years team. But the idea that Bill will build us not just back to the superbowl. But to a competitve team for a decade to come. Even once he has retired……..or perhaps he stays on as a GM with one of his many proteges or Zimmer taking the reigns.

"many more bad decisions than good ones? "

Okay, I’ll bite:

Draft one: Rd. 1 — Terrence Newman, good his rookie year, hot and cold his second year. Is he a bust? Put him on the market and see how many teams call.

Rd. 2 — Al Johnson — what’s wrong with him?

Rd. 3. Jason Witten — a home run.

Rd. 4 Bradie James — he’s disappointing, but he gets an incomplete. Will probably
be the starter at WOLB this year. Then we’ll know

Four starters from year one. What’s the problem here?

Year Two —

Gets Buffalo’s #1, which is still to be unwrapped.

Round 2 — Julius Jones. The 4th or 5th guy on most mock draft lists last
year. I’m sure JJ and Bill feel real stupid for selecting him.

Round 2 – Jacob Rogers. His shoulder makes this look like a bad decision.

Round 3 — Stephen Peterman — Tore his ACL in a preseason game. Incomplete

Round 4 — Bruce Thornton — was rushed. Tore an ACL early. Incomplete.

So, where are they making “many more bad decisions than good decisions?” I only
see one guy who looks like a bust so far and that’s Rogers. Take Jimmy’s first two drafts and put them side-by-side with Parcells’. They’re not much better.

I’ll admit, I’m not happy with the heavy risk taking in the late rounds. And passing on Bert Berry last year was a HUGE mistake. But I don’t accept that passing on CBs in 2004 free agency was a mistake. Antoine Winfield is older than Anthony Henry and has a much longer and larger contract. Minnesota will be paying him well past his effective years.

Yeah, 6-10 sucks. But what gets me are all the people saying that the Parcells era has been a bust, or, like Jim Reeves of the Star-Telegram, that Parcells has lost it and is just taking the money. Where were all these doom sayers last year? Were they saying that Parcells ’03 was a mirage and the team was really overrated?

He’s not perfect, but I think his drafts have been good. He didn’t do a good job in ‘04, but until I see him bungle ’05, I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt. Parcells has earned that much.

Jon,

First of all I was talking about the draft and win loss records. Free agents, when we’ve actually brought them in have been good. But as far as Newman goes, I’m not convinced he’s the real deal and his numbers or lack there of support that. He gets burned frequently. I like what I see from JJ, and Witten has the numbers to back up the fact that he’s good. But no other picks have proven to be worth a darn as of yet. So please take off the silver and blue sunglasses and lets talk realisticly. This isn’t the time to be drinking valley ranch koolaid. We can be honest amongst ourselves save the spin and rehtoric for the enemy (e.g. Eagles fans).

Rafael,

If you are happy with two sure fire starters and an average CB making top 5 pick money, then why even try and argue? In your argument you used incompletes as some kind of argument in favor of good decisions. I’m just honest about what I see. And I see other teams in the league when one starter goes down, plug a guy in off the bench and he kicks butt too. How many injuries have the Eagles had on their defensive line the last 3 years, yet the next guy they put in doesn’t miss a beat. We don’t even seem to be at least one deep at every position (sarcasm). I mean come on. Lets be hopeful for the future, but lets not give credit where it isn’t due. Whether they have been bad decsions or decisions we can’t make a judgment on yet.

And from what I understand they flirted with signing Tobeck, C from Seatlle, so their must be something they dont like about Al Johnson. As far as Bradie James goes, he had every opportunity to beat out Coakley last year and didn’t. So although he has ‘upside’, I think Bill maybe more hopeful on the physical tools than he is on what he actually sees on the field.

List of bad decsions:

1. Ever giving Quincy Carter a chance, knowing he had a drug issue. Which Jerry mentioned to Bill when he hired him.

2. Trading Bryant for Morgan.

3. Letting Donald Mitchell go last offseason.

4. Not signing a CB in FA last year, but more importantly, since they didn’t, not at least trying to resign Edwards for one more year.

5. Newman as far as we know now appears to be a bust.

6. Julius Jones is the only pick from last years draft that seems to be worth a darn.

7. Only Witten from the year before seems to be worth a darn.

8. Hambrick, would rather have had Emmit.

9. Spending a combined 18 million in bonuses for two players over 30, one of whom had a bum back, had they done a proper physical exam they would have found.

Alright there are 9, I have to get back to work. I’ll add to the list later.

Thank you Rafael!

Josh,

First of all, I said Jimmy Johnson and Bill Parcells, and never excluded Parcells’ draft success with N.E. and the Jets.

But since you asked about his success with Jerry, Rafael makes a few great points there. I’ll go further … give Newman a pass rush and see what he does. Just a Pro Bowl TE in his second year, that’s all we got in the 3rd round of their first draft. Not to mention a damn good center, the best we’ve seen here since Mark Stepnoski. Should I continue? They orchestrated a trade with Buffalo last year. That is last year’s 22nd selection in the 1st round for Julius Jones, Sean Ryan, and this year’s 20th selection in round 1. If you ask me that’s like getting JJ and Ryan for nothing (FREE), because if you are a realist you would see that the Boys weren’t winning the Super Bowl last year. Therefore why not add a 2nd and a 5th, just to wait one year to get the same value pick that you traded away? As, it turns out we moved up two spots as in terms of value. Besides injuries to a lot of our draft choices last year, they have done a good to great job.

Josh,

So Parcells is to be blamed for years and years of Jerry’s mistakes? Because
that’s what you’re doing. And hell yes, I’m going to give incompletes. What
else can you do? You think Peterman injured himself on purpose?

Let’s see.

1 Ever giving Carter a chance. Hmmm. So who would you put in his place? And where
did Jerry inform him that Carter was a problem? If that’s the case, this is Jerry’s problem,
not Parcells’, because he never should have been on the team in first place.

2. Trading Bryant for Morgan. Quincy Morgan is no prize. but where is the proof that Bryant is a star? Again, you’re blaming Parcells for Jerry’s bad decision.

3. Donald Mitchell. He was going to save the season?

4. Not signing a CB in FA. Who would you sign? Winfield? Shaun Springs? Both of whom were old and were paid more than this year’s younger crop? Really, the money thrown at good but not great CBs who were old was insane. It was high last year, but at least Dallas got a guy who’s younger.

5. Newman is a bust? Really? You’re absolutely certain of this? I’ll say it again. Put him on the block and see how many calls you get. You’ll be surprised.

6.&7. Al Johnson is not chopped liver. Neither is Newman. You’re expecting first and second year players to give you certain value, which is something no NFL personnel man will do. Do you expect 12 year olds to be able to tell you with absolute certainty if they are going to be successful adults? Because you’re doing the same thing with these players.

8. Hambrick and Emmitt? I’d take neither, since one was a has-been the past two years and the other was a never was. Really, why does this one matter? Neither one of these guys was going to be anything more than a placeholder for Julius Jones. Parcells fixed the problem. How does this make him a bad guy.

9. I’ll reserve judgement until I actually see them play.

When we all take the time and open our damn eyes we will see what Parcells brings to the table. Do you think Patriot fans say,“Man! Parcells took us over when we were a laughing stock, look at us now!” No, they don’t, although many “Parcells’ guys” remain(ed) there through there championship seasons. Again, if I were to ask the everyday sports fan, “Who were the 15 best players during the Pats Super Bowl seasons?”, they would be shocked that 9-12 of them were players that became Patriots during Big Tuna’s days there in New England. Viniatari, McGinest, Law, Bruschi, Milloy ect. … Do Jets fans ever ponder what they might be if Parcells never left? I doubt that. What he did in 4 years there is nothing less than remarkable. Mawae, Pennington, Martin, Coles, Ellis, Abraham, yada yada yada this list goes on!! Give it some time Josh!! Give it some time!!

LOL @ Newman a bust. Watch this kid this year when he isn’t on an island for a day and a half every play! Give me a pass rush and I’ll give you a Pro Bowl player here. Mark my words!!

i agree rafael……josh save your breath…..or your energy to type cuz youve got nothing

Eric I know Parcells has been successful, and hopeful he will be successful. But I’m not going to blow smoke up my own butt, and give them credit until it’s due, that’s been my only point. We can’t be afraid to voice criticism when its due, and peronel decisions over the last two years have not been good for the most part.

Rafael, you’re too biased too be a real journalist. And too include incompletes when that’s not what I argued in the first place makes you look childish. Woohoo we got Stephen Peterson. That was you argument for a good decsion. What freaking bafoons you make us Cowboy fans look like.

And Ryan, until you have something intelligent to say just stay on the sidelines please.

parcells is a fat pig!!

i’m sorry..that was wrong…a fat smelly pig..again..sorry for the mistake!

The Cowboys suck. Face it, next year you will be looking up at the Eagles again, and unless Drew Henson develops real quickly, you may be looking up at the Eagles AND Giants the following year!!!

I-G-G-L-E-S RULE BABY!!!

And don’t give me any of your 5 ring crap, ‘cause y’all still only have 1 more NFL Championship than Philly and all of that, including Philly’s championships, are ancient frickin history. What has your team done lately?

Parcells is as done as Joe Gibbs and Rich Kotite. His time is up. He will not get your team back to the promised land. Not only is he senile, but he has to deal with the 3rd dumbest owner in the league (only Al Davis and Daniel Snyder are bigger idiots!!!)!!!!! Only an idiot would force Jimmy Johnson out.

clarke..i agree….100%..but more importantly…parcells is a smelly,pea brain,fat pig!!

cowboy fans..do you like the eagles at the top of the division?…i hope you do..because the eagles own the division for the next 10 years….the cowboys:CELLAR DWELLARS…HOW ABOUT THEM COWBOYS!!

Eagles of the last five years………are the Bills of a DECADE AGO. Lots of potetial and CHOKE in the big one.

You know of all the places I would not live. Philly is tops.

You know, the Cowboys once blew 3 straight NFC Championships in a row (think it was the 1980-82 seasons), then the following year lost the WILD CARD for gods sake. And that did not prevent them from winning 3 in the 90’s. So you know what that means? That the past will not cause the Eagles to lose. BUT, I would rather be coming off the stretch that the Eagles have than the past 4 year stretch the Cowboys have just had.

And losing to better teams, which they did in at least 3 out of 4 seasons, does not mean that they choked.

Josh,

If you were a Jets fan in 2001, you would be critizing him then too. That’s before they traded away Farrior who was “underachieving” (with his 107 tackles), before Pennington became starting QB, before anyone ever thought Lavernious Coles was a threat, before Randy Thomas, Jason Fabini, Kevin Mawae, and Ryan Young anchored a strong offensive line, before the threesome of Abraham, Ellis, and Ferguson ever had the chance to establish themselves. Could you imagine were the Jets would be if Parcells kept these guys together and had 4 more drafts behind them!!! Jeez!! Give it some time here!!!

Coles didn’t do much his first year. Pennington didn’t start until years after he was drafted. As I stated the Jets traded away Farrior, because they gave up on him. Their D-line was establishing themselves. Give it time.

Say whatever you have to to make yourself feel better ‘Clarkesux’. Nobody outside of Philly looks at the “Championships” that occured before the Super Bowl as anything but some games that occured in a league of, what, 4 teams in the northeast? Until the eagles win their first Super Bowl, they’re still just someone else’s bitch.

About Newman: you guys are kidding about him being a bust right? When did this guy have ANY help down the field last year. If someone is going to make an argument against him, at least make an intelligent one.

Clarke whats that in your throat? Still choking on … McNabb’s aweful balls.

Blah, blah, blah, blah…have you noticed that Parcells last 2 stops ended without a Super Bowl and that he left abruptly, on bad terms, with the owner. And you expect him around for how much longer in Dallas?

He will leave before the job is done, and Jones will hire another lackey yesman who he expects can just carry on where Parcells left off. But it won’t work because he is Jerry Jones.

.. or is it something else?

dude why are you @ a cowboy’s sight … get lost

The NFL did not start when the Super Bowl began. Ask any Green Bay fan who’s majority of Championships came pre Super Bowl. Hence, the name of the damn trophy is the Lombardi Trophy. Have respect for history. I do. That is why I respect the Cowboys of the early 90’s. They were a great team. I did not like them, but I respected their (onfield) actions. But that is ancient history. They are losers now. Get used to it.

I am here because a COWBOY FAN invited me here to tell you what Stepfords y’all are, and now I am having fun listening to you ladies lick Jerry’s balls and tell him how wonderful he is.

But, alas, I must go now, its the end of the work day and I wish to go see my family. But I will be back to teach you stepfords that your team sucks…but of course, all you have to do is pull out the tapes of last years games, or watch them next fall on Sunday, every Sunday.

Bye now.

You may call me an eternal optimist, but I see everything coming together nicely this year.

I think the offensive line will be one of the best. Rivera will give it leadership and toughness. With Peterman, Rogers, and Gourode off the bench we will have a young and deep line that is capable of dominating.

I think Bledsoe is a great pick-up. With a strong line he will be able to stretch the field. Especially with Glenn Coming back along with Witten and Keyshaun the receivers will be above average. I think letting Bryant go was a big mistake though.

I think we should not move down in the draft rather try to stay were we are. Look at any of the second rounds in recent years you will find more busts than good players. If we have 2 first round picks, lets get a pass rusher and a receiver or a safety. If we can give up a 2nd for Howard Jump on it.

A line with Merriman, Howard, Ellis Furgenson, and Glover would pressure the quarterback with no help. That will improve our secondary along with the addition of Henry.

I admit we are not deep, but if the boys can stay healthy, get an impact pass rusher and a safety in the draft I see us playing in February.

clarke … go to the eagles fan site!! oh, they don’t have one!!

DREW BLEDSOE….THE HUMAN TACKLING DUMMY!!GOOD LUCK WITH THAT!!HOW ABOUT THEM COWBOYS!!!..MAY YOUR TEAM WILL MAKE THE PLAYOFFS SOME TIME THIS DECADE….HOW ABOUT THEM COWBOYS!!!

I agree Alex.

I think if our linebackers improve this year, as they should a lot of youth at LB, a good FS in the draft and a WR to stretch defenses we will be better.

Bryant is a huge disappointment. But Parcells himself said he only fought with the players that were worth fighting with, which means he saw the potential Antonio had. Unfortunately when a kid stops running his routes……and who knows how he was off the field or in the locker room. Another High Draft pick that did not mature to a productive player for our Cowboys.

(Clark)

Your lanuage isn’t appreciated, I do understand it is all Philly fans know, but please refrain…that means stop :-)

COWBOYS………………………#1

out

guys just dont pay attention to their insecurities and immatureness…..they’re just trying to wear a mask to hide their own problems….just ignore them….

….one more thing…..how did T.O. get stopped after having a great season……hmmm….ROY WILLIAMS

I find it rather funny that an Eagles fan would comment on the Cowboys. The Eagles, a team that has been around longer than the Cowboys but still not won as many “Championships” and I’m being gracious here by counting those things before the SuperBowl.

They now have a receiver that’s going to ask for more money after playing one year of a 7 year deal he signed after dissing the 9ers and Ravens.

Their QB choked (literally) on the biggest drive of the SuperBowl.

Their coach still hasn’t explained why it took 2 hours to run a 2 minute offense.

They’re the only team in the NFC East to not own a SB trophy. All the others own mulitple. If it weren’t for the Cards being worse off I wonder if they would have gotten booted out of the East when the NFL realigned just for dragging the division down.

They play for a city that has to be, and I’m not exaggerating, one of the filthiest, nastiest cities I’ve ever been to. The only place I can think of that has more pot holes than DC and you can get a pretzel from the street vendor… that he’s been holding under his arm pit for the last hour.

The funniest thing is, I don’t particularly hate the team or coach like I use to. They’ve grown into a decent team that aren’t the jerks previous regimes have been (though the fans still blow). I do look forward to TO turning them upside down and causing as much problems in their locker room as he did in SF. The guy just can’t help himself.

OK, so the last comment is… someone actually compared them to the Bills. That’s a disservice to the Bills. They actually made it to the SB 4 times. The Eagles couldn’t even get past the NFC Chapionship game until this past year… even though they had better talent and home field advantage.

The Eagles better win someting soon. It’s their turn at the top and it’ll soon be over. It always is. I don’t care what they do with their cap, players, coaches, whatever. It’ll be over soon. Or as McNabb likes to say… cough, cough, choke, whezz, blahhhhhhh (that’s the only way i know how to spell a puke noise).

THE NEW COWBOYS MOTTO:STUPID IS AS STUPID DOES!!!

IGNORE THE TROLLS!!

ALL THEY WANNA DO IS START $H!!!

HOW BOUT THEM COWBOYS!!

All you Eagles fans….one question:

Who is the idiot coach that started a game against our beloved Boys’ with an onside kick that was returned for a touchdown?

Yes a much superior team got waxed by one in re-building mode because your coach sucks!!!

Get off of Bill’s back

Clarkseux, you really don’t know what you’re talking about………

You don’t want us to talk about the past of the Cowboys in a Cowboy website, as moron as a BIG-TIME-EAGLE-CHOKING fan.

I’ll talk about past because I want to, and because this is a Cowboys website, but I’ll talk about Eagles past too and 14 years to be precise, in that period of time the Eagles have been 129-94, the Cowboys 125-98, in games between each other the Eagles get the edge 15-13, but in playoffs there’s a little difference, Eagles: 5 wild card games, 7 divisional playoffs, 4 conference championships and 1 super bowl; the Cowboys: 5 wild card games, 5 divisional games, 4 conference championships, 3 super bowls and 3 lombardis on our wall, I guess that’s a little difference, one that make us proud of being Cowboys fans instead of big time choking birds and envious fans.

At least we have those trophys when the NFC had something to offer other than the Cowboys, last year, the one and only appearance of the Eagles in the big game, the NFC had nothing to offer than that piece of chokers that wouldn’t have had a thing to offer to the 4 teams in the divisional playoffs of the AFC.

U can say all you want about the Eagles owning the Cowboys in the last 4 years, but that’s because Jerry tried to keep the best players in his super bowl runs, I guess we had those losing years well deserved, trying to keep something that was already dead isn’t the way for business, but at least we had all those winning years and those 3 SB trophys.

To say that the Cowboys won’t be capable of rebound from this bump is like saying that the Eagles can win the Super Bowl, lol.

your like a 5 year old kid who has nothing as a comeback, because you know your wrong and you know were right, so you constantly wine and complain like the bitches that you are and then you try to get us down by calling us trash? thats hilarious coming from a fan that has nothing better to do than cry to the fans of one of the best teams to ever play in the NFL….pick a team that is good, and doesnt choke…once again the reason for every season is to what? TO GET TO THE SB AND WIN! and lets see, weve been to 8 and won 5….how many rings does your team have? NONE thats the bottom line for every single season to be played, to be able to win the SB, and apparently you cant.

i just state the facts buddy, and you can either accept them since they’re true or keep on bitchin and complainin that were this and that like a bunch of little kids….but dont kid yourself, we have the rings to prove it.

i know you’re gonnna reply TONS more times and talk crap like it bothers any of us, and thats okay because were grown up enough to accept how things are and be mature fans.

talk trash to us when you have at least as many super bowl wins as us. or when your team produces one of the best running backs to ever play the game with as many records as he has for TDs, yards, carries..etc etc. or when you can play in the SB and not choke up on a game winning drive

and keep on replying with your little oh so “hurtful” and "childish remarks because your mad that your team cant PRODUCE, because it aint gonna bother us

As long as the Cowboys play in Dallas, the Eagles will never win a super bowl. How do I know this, well if the old saying “history repeats itself” is true, then the cowboys will win 10 superbowls and play in 16 total and just like in the Past, the Future for The Eagles; ZERO superbowls wins. Tough luck Puke Green Eagle Fans

Bottom line you are at a Cowboys’ website, attempting to get your thrills off. Looks like you b!+cha$$ team ain’t cutting it for ya!

Eagles title appearances
1960 — okay, every team gets lucky once in a half century
1980 — loss
2005 — loss

Start making those reservations for 2035 Eagles fans. Hope
most of you are still alive then.

Hey if you need help getting a thrill you can always choke on .. Mcnabb’s balls like the rest of the team did!

Ryan,
           Don’t feed the trolls in this forum, although I like what u said..Lol
Besides if we’re not all that why must he take time to tell just how much we supposedly suck.

Don’t Forget:
                  Haters only hate because they wish they were you!!!

28 Winning Seasons
27 Playoff Appearances
20 Division Championships
20 Consectutive Winning Seasons
8 Super Bowl Appearances
5 Super Bowl Championships

7 Hall of Famers(although should be more)

Yeah we really suck…..Lol

rafael,

got a question for ya. if other teams are able to have the draft prospects work out for them and stuff, why dont we give matt jones a call and see what he has to offer, and if parcells sees true football talent and likes him, then keep quiet so others dont know, and vice versa, if we dont like what we see then make alot of talk about how good he is to mix things up?

for any of you who want more on WILLIAMSON… go to www.decagent.com and click on his name to see a 6 minute video that was put together by his agent to show his talent. i know we all already know this, but damn he is fast! all the DBs are chasin him down the field and have nothing on this guy. i would LOVE to see us get him cuz he would definitely stretch the field, even though i know that we have more addressing needs. but this guy is definitely talented, just check out the video

Man this guy looks awesome.

I know it’s probably already been asked but what are his strengths and weaknesses? I am not real familiar with him, I just know he has blazing speed.

oh one more question that id like to be answered,

if we do indeed choose to address all other needs and not WR, and wait for next years crop, are there any other guys who are still in college that look REALLY good like this years guys? like with williamson’s speed or edwards whole package deal? cuz if there are then at least we have something to be able to get next year.

thats one reason why i think we should trade for another 2nd round this year and an extra first next year. and then dont address WR this year, instead fill all other holes needed(unless in later rounds there is someone do get for the heck of it) because if we dont get another EARLY pick next year, then we might not have the chance to get a good WR again because, okay listen to my logic.

what if we turn out to be a great team this year and then we get a very late 1st rounder like 28th because of that. and if all the GREAT WR’s next year go in the first 20 or 25, wouldnt it be nice to have a pick early on to gain one of those guys? thus saving our WR choices this year for another position to be filled and gain a 1st round for next year so we definitely can get hopefully our last pressing need at WR, plus itll probably be time for glenn or KJ to leave so it would all work out.

someone let me know what ya think bout that

Ryan:
There’s Dante Ridgeway (6-1, Ball State), Mike Hass (6-1, Oregon St.), Eric Deslauriers (6-4, Eastern Michigan), Lance Moore (5-11, Toledo), Derek Hagan (6-2, Arizona St.), Hannibal Thomas (6-3, Cincinnati) and some others.

There’s still no clear number one among them, the season should give us an answer, there’s talent though.

Ryan,

I’m with you on filling other wholes other than WR. By trading down from the 11th spot, Dallas could move into a position to get Tuck (with a late 1st or early second). They can select Bullocks (with their 2nd), and I have seen Spears falling into the 20-30 range in the 1st round, so he could be there. As you mentioned, and I mentioned earlier, moving down from the 11th spot might allow the Boys to pick up a 1st rounder next year, and put them in a good situation like they are this year. But I wouldn’t totally neglect the WR position. Has anyone heard about Larry Brackins, the Junior College kid? A great leaper, he can go up and flat out get it. If the Cowboys do trade down and get extra picks, I wouldn’t mind using 1 on him.

You know; it is amazing how the eagle fans are always calling us fags, butt kissers, and something that is always taking about sucking something. That makes me wonder. Is that why Philly (a female horse) is called the “brotherly love” city. Does anyone see any similiarity in this. And as far as calling Bill a big fat pig. Hey pal, the big guy over there wearing the Phillies coaches hat. Well, he isn’t exactly on a Weight Watchers Program either. You need to thank Roy Williams for keeping Dowboy out of the white tighties. And as far as the has been part. Andy is a “never been”. OK I know. You where only talking out of your ass, because your mouth was to ashamed to say what your brain was thinking!

Last comment: Maybe the only reason the Eagles won anything back in the Flintstones ages. Was because the Cowboys wasn’t there to slap them around then! Was the score keep on a slate rock or something.

someone should go to nfl.com and read kirwan’s front page story on how teams utilized ’04 rookies. he basically called us a “bad team with older players.” just cuz we didnt have all rookie starts dont mean anything since we had alot of 2nd and 3rd year vets. he has a lousy grouping system and cant analyze anything it seems. these big time writers are so full of bull and suck at their job

Jacob,

Dallas would have been in a different group, had it not been for injuries. The year before they were in group 4, so what does that tell you?

Bledsoe was a great pick up. LOL I just heard Jim Johnson [Eagles Deff. Cord.] on the radio saying how he can’t sleep at night. The cause? He said it’s Bledsoe, he just does not know how Philly will defend an over the hill, slow QB who holds on to the ball to long….. Didn’t Roy Williams injure 3 players last year with that horse-collar tackle? In my view that not only makes him a slow player[ I remember watching C Buckhalter run away from him 2 years ago for a 50 yard TD] but a dirty player also.

Mr. Johnson…….Meet Mr. Julius Jones……Mr. Owens…..Meet Mr. Williams……….Mr. McNabb meet Mr. Henry……..it is going to be a whole new ballgame this year.

Oh and by the WAY do you remember Mr. Smith…..uh the guy that had all those 200+ yard games against you. Ran through your defense like a hot knife through butter. Eagles fans are a classless bunch, anybody that cheers for injured players from opposing team…….Classless. Eagles have their own Court System and Jail right at the Stadium to deal with their own Fans. Booed McNabb because they wanted Ricky Williams………tell you what the Dolphins will make a trade with you and give you the Pot Smoking Ricky who can hang with AI on the weekends and they will take McNabb.

Note to Eagles Fans……..GET YOUR OWN BLOG>………

Eagles only Champion in the last 30 years is…..uh……..ROCKY………FICTIONAL…….

Josh,

If the Cowboys released or Cut Terrence Newman he would be on an airplane to every team in the league. He struggled with the new rules last year. However, he has the size speed and can tackle that many corners lack. When he did get beat I saw him tackling the guy and not giving up on the play. I like Newman and Think Henry will help, personally all know I feel Rolle at FS would still be smart and make Henry and Newman better……..but if Mike Williams is still on the board at 11 I gotta go with Williams or Williamson.

I am optimistic. I rooted all year, and although I would have let Henson take over the reigns from Vinny late in the year. I like what I see out of Larry Allen under Parcells. Al Johnson will be a starter at C for as long as he is under contract with Dallas barring injury.

Witten……..lets see 2nd rounder…….anybody remember the other coaches answer……….need I mention Dave LeFleur? Witten is the replacement for Novacek we needed.

We all wanted Emmit. Even Emmit wanted Emmit. Unfortunately our loyalties to Emmit led us to a 5-11 season the previous year. Bill would have liked to have had a guy with the experience of Emmit but the salary cap hit and the fact that his Machiavellian approach was to cut ties and move forward. This is a tough one for any fan, ask the Titans about seeing Eddie in Cowboys uniform or us about Emmit in a Cardinal uniform…….but Emmit did everything with class and came home a Cowboy. Asking him to retire was a bit of a classless move on Jerrys part. But hey……..i will still take Jones over Snyder anyday.

James is a major Disappointment. But the jury is still out. He had the work ethic in the weight room but it did not show up on the field. Hey lets not forget Dexter Coakley is one hech of a football player. Almost anybody that replaced him was going to see a dropoff in production. Bradie James either steps up THIS YEAR or he is a bust.

Rogers………JURY IS STILL OUT.

Petereman…….read the Cowboys site…….this guy will take the place of some of the other kids Parcells was not fond of. Lehr release was a MISTAKE.

Bryant……..had multiple years and lots of opportunity. When a player quits on running routes………which he did, what do you do? Morgan got injured and does not have the raw talent that Bryant had……….but if Morgan has a better attitude………then let Antonio GO. Coddling high overpaid underperformers is how you turn into the Washington Redskins.

Carter, hey he beat out the other guys. Nothing wrong with that. Parcells has been around other players (who shall remain nameless) that overcame drug problems to play well. Nobody is a better example than Cris Carter……would you have given him a shot at WR? He cleaned up his act and is probably a Hall of Famer(although if Irvin does not get in I got doubts about Carter)

Woodson and yes the Mario Edwards release in hindsight was a bad play. Hunter was expected to perform and that injury with Woodson HURTS. Which is why I am for getting a guy like Rolle…….or another big strong CB that can play FS or CB. You need 3 guys that can cover and have speed…….it is fine to have one guy with linebacker hits back there…….Mr. Williams……..but the other guys better be able to defend the PASS. Let your Front Seven stop the Run……..I want my Corners and at least the FS shutting down all those catches we gave up.

Jones injury hurt the most. Vinny was pass happy and threw way too much. When you PASS you either complete it, or you stop the pass. As we all know Vinny had a few dropped and his share of bad passes…….so the clock was slower than mollasses in the North Pole. Jones like Emmit willl give the Cowboys a CLOCK EATING drive that keeps their DEFENSE on the Field and ours OFF IT. Other than a couple of games Green Bay and one at Philly……..Cowboys competed in every other ball game. Even Minnesota til the 4th Quarter. However, when you ask 2 new players at Corner and FS………and only one run stopping tackle in Glover…….you are asking too much of those 11 men. It will be entireley different if we move the ball well using Jones. Even if we get a quick strike Touchdown in the air…….not something we were very good at last year……..7 points is still helping the defense. Ask the Colts……they tee off once they got a lead. Having a two score lead lets a team Blitz more…….which is why philly killed us that one game.

Finally. League Parity. The best to the worst in the age of Salary Cap and Free Agency is very very thin. That is one reason Jerry finally bit the bullet and hired a legitimate NFL coach. It makes a difference. It matters. The Cowboys will be better this YEAR. They can win the Division this year. A few better players on Defense, our FAs and less injuries I think we can be very good. Look at Carolina, in the Super Bowl to struggling. A few injuries and even the Super Bowl contender goes to pretender. Eagles and Patriots had fewer injuries. Seymour, Law and Owens being the big two. And neither as it turned out was necessary to get to the Super Bowl. The Patriots play and act as a team. Their Defenese does not ever quit. They have solid football players at every position. A weaker corner is less noticable when you have a McGinest getting sacks. A loss of a tackle is less noticable when a guy like Bruschi seems to intercept Manning like he has a marvin harrison jersey on. Parcells drafted a lot of those players. As he did in the playoff bound NY JETS.

He rolled the dice last year thinking our Defense would hold up. Carter failed us and exposed our O Line to the Vinny stand still, Jones injury(George lost a step and gave us 3 yards barely), Woodson, Hunter, Blade CUT cuz he cant make weight showed no discipline, Wiley a BUST I squarely put that one on the Player and the STAFF he was not the right fit, and he did not come to play on the plays he was in on.

If that had happened to any other Coach we have had other than Johnson or Parcells we would have gone 1-15. We always manage to beat the Redskins but otherwise we would have been a doormat. I saw guys fighting out there and losing some battles. Yes Newman lost his share, as did Wiley, even Nguyen…….lord knows our Offensive line lost some battles……..but now you got a legitmate threat at Tailback. Draw play and the play action pass are going to make a pocket passer like Bledsoe better off than Vinny was the first half of last year without anybody to hand the ball too.

My only fear is another CB injury……..any kind of injury to our starters at WR and RB would be devastating cuz the backups………are just that. Lee has potential but has to block.

Let Bill get us another round of decent picks or trades for futures picks……..either way……..we will improve.

great post JON.

Before you call Philly fans classless because of the Irvin incident, remember that there are 60,000 in the stands and several more thousands of us at home watching, and not all of us were cheering. And how do you know that the people at the stadium were not actually cheering a good hit being replayed on the jumbo screen (whatever the result, the hit was a good one, nothing cheap). Or, perhaps, as is custom, they were cheering as the injured player was leaving the field, which is common and good sport. Were you at the game? I was, and honestly do not remember what it was, because it was such a non-issue until the media got a hold of it. And they have been known to blow stuff out of proportion. I do know that we were not cheering the fact that Irvin was seriously injured or his career was done, as nobody knew that at the time. It didn’t even look to be that big of a deal – we figured he would get checked out and come right back.

So go to hell with condemning an entire fan base on a media issue, or at worst case, the classless action of (at most) a couple of hundred fans out of 100’s of thousands of us.

And as for our only champion in the past 30 years (thirty you say?) being Rocky, well, the Sixers, Phillies and Stars have won in that time. Oh, and we had the NCAA basketball champion, the last small school to ever do it probably, Villanova, the Major Indoor Lacrosse Champs (Wings) several times over. Flyers have won it in the past 30 years too.

However, I live in the present, so none of that matters, and presently, your football team sucks. Presently, your baseball team sucks and always has (have they ever won a playoff series, or even a playoff game). Your hockey team is not playing now, but in the most recent playoffs, did I see your team in the Conference Finals? No? I saw ours. Why wasn’t yours there. When was the last time your basketball team got to the finals? Never you say?

Yea, Dallas is awesome! Its the armpit of the world, loser. Your football team is closer to the 49ers than the Eagles. ’Cause you both are former champs that suck. Hasbeens. Keep playing with yourself dreaming of Troy Aikman and Emmitt and Irvin.

Fly Eagles Fly, On the Road to Victory
Fight Eagles Fight, Score a touchdown 1, 2, 3 1! 2! 3!
Hit em low, Hit em high and watch them Cowboys Cry
Fly Eagles Fly, On the Road to Victory

E-A-G-L-E-S
IGGLES!!!!

Okay, I just heard a rumor, nothing major to back it up, so take it for what its worth. But Keyshawn apparenntly missed 3 days of training or conditioning, whatever they are doing now. Bill called to see what was up and Key said he was unhappy with his contract. His agent later said it was due to personal reasons, but who knows.

So maybe drafting a good wide reciever isn’t such a bad idea at all. Who knows if keyshawn will hold out on us or not.

What do you think he would be worth in some sort of trade?

Its funny, I left a few messages yesterday around 5 pm and y’all were talking about them for 2 or 3 hours. And there was 1 apparent theme, and that was the past. Y’all love the past. And you should be proud. I never said that you should not be. I wish I had a team that won those trophy’s. But since I live in the present and not the past, I look forward to the next season, and revel in the success of the past one. And no matter how you slice it, in recent years, as in this past one, the Eagles were the better, more successful team. And we remain, thanks to their drafting, one of the younger teams in the NFL when you look at our starters, and we will be getting younger again with some changes on the offensive line, which was the oldest group of players on our squad.

And to the moron (CHAD) who asked me to tone down my language, that it was unappreciated, I am sorry, but I have not cursed or used obscenities, so I am not sure what you are referring to. Perhaps you read Tydomiwhateverhisname is and confused him with me, but I am always, at the very least, clean with what I say, unless I am responding to some idiot who asks me if I have McNabbs balls in my mouth, then I may respond (and I did), but talk to your people first chump, I mean chad.

So continue living in the past, as it is all you will have for the next several years.

Bye now, must go back to work.

Great posts Clarke

Clark Sux,

Well lets make a WAGER…….Straight up no points.

Just one thing…….Cash Only I aint accpepting no checks from an Eagles fan. Put your money where your big mouth is.

You know I forgot about Dr. Js Sixers….Dr. J might be the only thing classy out of philly……..Pete Rose Phillies…….Rose…….now there is a great Representative for the City of Philly…..

Hockey Does not count…….it s a Canadian Sport that is last time I checked…….DEFUNCT and nobody cared. Personally I feel the same about the NBA, and I am very familiar with your main man iverson, saw him in High School…….if our brilliant governor had not pardoned him he would still be in JAIL……..ask him about RIOTS…….he knows all about em.

This site is about FOOTBALL…….specifically the Cowboys…….

again go find your own iggles blog…….oh………there isn’t one.

Watch the REPLAY of IRVIN…….he was removed on a stretcher. He was on the carpet for an eternity.

If you want to tell your fellow fans to act respectable go to your stadium and do it. You will eithre A) Get Killed by your fellow fans………or B) end up in the ON SITE Judge Jury and Executioner they have to deal with them for defending yourself…….Good Luck in the city of Brotherly Love.

Be my guest Clark. If you think it was classless tell the rest of your friends in Philly.

You live in the present so none of that matters? Yet you are bragging about Philly Football champs that happened before you were born. You know there are great rivalries in Football………Cowboys Redskins of the Eighties………but never have I enjoyed beating anybody like the Eagles. You guys are so classless you ran off Dick Vermeil who quit coaching and then came back……….and won a super bowl. So I guess sort of you should be bragging about the St. Louis Rams and talk up Warner and Holt cuz that is as close to a Super Bowl as the Eagles are going to get.

You will not represent the NFC in the Super Bowl…..Hech you won’t even make the title game. Your time has passed.

Hey JON, its funny you say Dr. J is classy. You know, the only child of his that did not turn out to be screwed up is the illegitimate daughter (now a professional tennis player) that he had nothing to do with so his wife would not know about it. Nothing to do with but secret child support payments. He really ended up being a scumbag too.

And as for Pete Rose, I think you would more closely identify him with the Reds, not the Phillies. And all team sports count, don’t go picking and choosing to suit your purposes.

At least I did not go into individual champs (like Bernard the Executioner Hopkins, or Meldrick Taylor, or Olympic Gold Medalist Tyrell Biggs (and Taylor) or Speedy Jones – a horse is a horse of course of course.

What is the bet JON? That you will win the division. I don’t want a bet like “we will beat you once this year”. Big deal, you are supposed to. Supposedly its difficult to sweep a division opponent. Although we have done it to you 4 out of the last 5 years, and the only loss came because Reid ran that stupid onside kick to start the game (though it did work in that season opener against you in 2000).

Hey Jon, I only mentioned those other championships because some idiot, thought it was you, kept mentioning your Super Bowl Championships, and I was just pointing out that we too have had championships.

And as for the Irvin thing, I was there, you were not, and it was the media blowing it out of proportion, period. Were there some people cheering because he was hurt? Probably. But it would be the same in every city. Just like you cheer (and I do) whenever we see a QB get creamed. Its our nature. And Irvin really was not down for long, and you see guys go out on stretchers in the first half as precaution and then show up in the 2nd half ready to play, so I don’t take much stock in it.

As for Iverson, he is scum of the earth and should be in jail. In that we can agree on. I wish the Sixers just cut him – I hate non-team players.

we play each other twice….every year actually for quite some time now……no points……just straight up……Games…..if you are lucky enough to come to Dallas during the playoffs sure we can make a third bet……unless you are A)tired of losing your money B) out of money

Awesome you are ripping your own Superstars……I don’t even have to do it for you. I saw Schmidtt and Rose Play against the REDS in Cincy…….both were great ballplayers……..too bad Mike was stuck in Philly all those years. And Clark Sux anybody who has children…..will tell you how hard it is to raise em……..good ones and bad ones. I was going to leave his family out of this but if you chose to tell us more dirt be my guest. Nothing out of a philly fan would surprise me. Do you cheer when one of your own players gets hurt too.

Does not surprise me Philly has produced a boxer or too, you gotta either fight or die in the football stands and on the streets of Philly. You can have Philly. In fact you and all your Northern Yankees can have everything North of the Mason Dixon Line. That Includes DC in case you did not know.

and by the way….

Holy Hold Out BATMAN…….TO wants more Dough!!!!! I guess you guys will have to keep Freddie Mitchell after all………Lucky YOU. Maybe that is why McNabb wanted Burress. Good luck with your salary cap!!!

Clark,

You know what’s is funny? Not that we respond to you, but you are here, today and yesterday. Your team ain’t cutting it for ya, huh! Wow you finally made the Super Bowl, so you think you got something to talk about. How long did it take you!! Did you cry? McNabb looked pathetic … missing wide open receivers, throwing to covered players when Westbrook was wide opened in the flat and had green grass in front of him (did that twice). How many interceptions did he throw?

Past, present, future ….. the Dallas Cowboys are the most glorious franchise in all of sports …. America’s Team baby!!!! While you keep talking about Philladelphia teams making championship games, when was the last time they won one?

In a large market like Philly!! In the past twenty years small market teams have had more success than Philladelphia franchises … uh Buffalo (only boasts two teams) has been to more championships than Philly franchises. Portland, St.Louis, Anehiem, Minnesota, Denver, Tampa Bay …. these smaller market cities have all won championships, during this pathetic run by Philadelphia teams. Not to mention the Dallas Cowboys, by their lonesome, have won 3.

Ryan,

Nice video and site on Williamson. Latest mock Draft at Fox have Williams falling to 12 behind us and Williamson also. I don’t know about that, those two guys look pretty talented to a team that is getting some age on the starting duo of Terry and Key. I would be tempted at either one of those guys. However, I wonder if our past experience with Wright and Harper will keep Jerry on the sidelines at WR. Irvin was a Landry Draft choice that benefitted Jimmy and the Boys.

Williamson looked good though, not much seen of him or SC around here. All ACC games nowadays with Va Tech joining ACC along with Miami. Honestly it has been so long for Mike Williams and I remember him being awesome, but Williamson sure looks the part. Braylon Edwards was tough at Michigan.

I personally do not know enough about the other guys the Whites, Mathis, Claytons and all them to say if we can add that kind of talent in later rounds or picks. But I do believe we will see at least one pick and hopefully a high one alloted to the WR position.

You guys crack me up. For the last 3 years it’s been the same stuff. The Eagles window is closing..blah blah blah. If you want to talk facts, since Lurie and Banner took over the Eagles organization is one of the top franchises in the NFL. The team is kepted young and talented[ I heard all last year how the loss of Vincent and Taylor would ruin us] and if you ask around the league they will state there are not many teams who manage their cap better then Philly. The good news for you guys is Dallas will finish 2nd in the East behind Philly. The bad news is once again you want make the playoffs..

Monty,

How good is it in Eaglesland? You are at a DALLAS COWBOYS’ site!!! Nough said!!!

Go kiss Lurie’s and Banners backside on the Eagles site!!!

u say u dont live in the past but yet u keep bringin up irvin and bein at the game, grow up man you have nothing better to do? stop complainin on a dallas site u make yourself look stupid.

u say u dont live in the past but yet u keep bringin up irvin and bein at the game, grow up man you have nothing better to do? stop complainin on a dallas site u make yourself look stupid.

Monty,

And just how many Super Bowls has Lurie Banner and Reid won. Some earlier thread was right, I was wrong to compare you to the Bills. You have not lost 4 Super Bowls, just Three NFC Championships and one Super Bowl. But hey you guys keep on believing.

When I think of fourth quarter quarterbacks, and 2 minute drills. Your Ealges will always come to mind as the worst performance I have ever witnessed.

Again…………Ricky Williams for McNabb………Saban is waiting? Any takers Eagles Fans?

I haven’t been reading much of the crap these eagles fans have been posting in here. But I know a lot of you are bashing right back at them, so heres a little more ammo for ya.

Who would have thought TO would want more money????

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/scorecard/04/07/truth.rumors.nfl/index.html

According to that the eagles have like 3-4 guys that want bigger contracts.

Oh and I almost forgot a little ways down from the main article it talks about the cowboys drafting Clayton, and how Keyshawn laughed at that since apparently he plans to honor his contract.

Some have us going after

Cody, Clayton and Poole.

 The team might consider changing the color scheme to crimson and silver if we aren’t careful. Those three guys certainly look like players though.

Success is a terrible thing. There is word out there that the Redskins have a bunch of unsatisfied wanna be hold outs. Looks like Coughlin has most of his guys in line. Word is Tom Brady wants to get paid too. His contract might just be the Cap Killer that does in little Bill and the Pats.

Hey Jon, I am back, but only for a short bit. You are starting to bore me. I told the truth about Dr. J because I don’t live in a fantasy world and hide the truth. He was a scum bag as it turned out. Oh, well.

As for the bet, I am not going to bet on individual games, but I will bet on the division. If you guys are so big and bad, that should be no problem. I say the Eagles will win. You say the Cowboys will. Whats your terms, or are you going to weasel out?

As far as difficulty raising children, I am learning that with my 2 little ones. However, Dr. J’s children have all had drug problems of their own, constantly got into trouble with gangs and stuff up here (what the heck are the children of a millionaire athlete doing involving himself in gangs?) and 1 ended up killing himself while driving drunk or high. That is not having a difficult time raising them, that is failing.

I do not hold these athletes on some pedestal, so I am not afraid of talking about the truth of how they are as people. Was Pete Rose a great player? A winner? Yes and yes. But is he a great man? I have to say, as an outsider, NO. Does that mean I am a bad fan? No, because I root for the player, not the person.

And no, I do not root for injury, nor cheer it. I do, however, cheer a great hit, on either side of the field…I just root for the opposing player to stay down a little longer and maybe miss a few plays ’cause he got his bell rung. Especially if he is a good one.

And finally, you were not at that Irvin game, I was, and all I know is nothing happened that I heard. When he was rolled off the field everybody around me clapped out of respect. When he was hit we cheered like hell ’cause thats Michael Irvin of the Cowboys that just got walluped. We had no idea he was hurt. But when we realized he was, like I said, we clapped as they took him off the field, which is respect. The media made it out to be something else, but what do you expect, they need to stir up controversy to get you to tune into ESPN Sportscenter over and over again.

Oh, and the reason I am here is because one of you idiots invited me here to see your nonsense and stir something up. As for the other idiots making fun of McNabb, tell me, how is you QB? Whats his name….is it Carter, no Hutchinson, no Carter, wait, its Vinny, Drew? No Vinny! Hold on, Bledsoe? Damn, none of them could carry Donovan’s jock!

And again, make the playoffs, win the division, do something before you hold your damn parade. Aikman does not play there anymore. Nor does Smith or Irvin.

and to the idiot who says I live in the past because I keep bringing up the Irvin game, its because I was responding to comments about how horrible our fans are, as I am now responding to you. How can I not respond to “you guys are jerks for booing Irvin when he was injured” without talking about it, dumbass!

Oh, and the reason I am here is because one of you idiots invited me here to see your nonsense and stir something up. As for the other idiots making fun of McNabb, tell me, how is you QB? Whats his name….is it Carter, no Hutchinson, no Carter, wait, its Vinny, Drew? No Vinny! Hold on, Bledsoe? Damn, none of them could carry Donovan’s jock!

And again, make the playoffs, win the division, do something before you hold your damn parade. Aikman does not play there anymore. Nor does Smith or Irvin.

Jon, get back to me tomorrow about that bet. Division title. Don’t care about individual games, and seeing how we have beaten you 9 out of 10, don’t feel it would be fair to you.

Jon Says:

April 7th, 2005 at 12:49 pm
Monty,

And just how many Super Bowls has Lurie Banner and Reid won. Some earlier thread was right, I was wrong to compare you to the Bills. You have not lost 4 Super Bowls, just Three NFC Championships and one Super Bowl. But hey you guys keep on believing.

When I think of fourth quarter quarterbacks, and 2 minute drills. Your Ealges will always come to mind as the worst performance I have ever witnessed.

Again…………Ricky Williams for McNabb………Saban is waiting? Any takers Eagles Fans?
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 If you knew the history about those 30 morons from a radio station making a bus trip to the draft you would not post that dribble. McNabb is not only a top 5 QB in the NFL he is also well liked in Philly. Gotta love Dallas fans bashing McNabb…..What is this, the 6th straight year Dallas will have a different QB to start the season. If you had McNabb starting for Dallas you would cream your pants. As far as Lurie and Banner go there’s no contest…….even a 10 year old Cowboy fan knows Jones is a dope.

How about this Clarkesux?

Dallas Wins the Division……….You BUY a Michael Irvin 88 Dallas Cowboys Jersey and Wear it to every Phillly game you watch whereever you watch em and put it up on cam for all of us to see……….

Philly wins I will do the same you pick the player………

proof will be in the form of

A) recipet from team website buying jersey……88 IRVIN…….that’s right he is ancient history, but I know he is so popular in Philadelphia I could not resist.

B) pictures posted for all 16 weeks of the following season with YOU in your Michael Irvin Jersey………game in the background in public or if you attend at the stadium will do nicely.

Again…………Ricky Williams for McNabb………Saban is waiting? Any takers Eagles Fans?
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 By the way we love making deals with Miami. Last year we traded our 3rd string QB for Miami’s 2nd round pick in this years draft. [# 35th overall] The strong just keep getting stronger.

Eagles fans @ Cowboys website? Can’t wait for the skins fans to get here it’ll be a real party then. Too bad I can only get online Tues and Thurs.

By the way Clarkerulz,
It is true that Aikman, Irvin, and Smith no longer play, but McNabb, T.O., Kearse,Simon,Thomas,Dawkins,(we’ll add Mitchell’s big mouth to this list even though he sux) play for the Eagles and they still can’t win a Super Bowl. You wanna stop talking about the past. O.K. cause the present isn’t that great for the first place losers. The Eagles were supposedly one player away from winning it all, and when he gets there they lose it all. Now half the damn team wants more money, or they’re skipping town.All of the sudden the future doesn’t look too good.
Bledsoe can’t hold Donovan’s jock? I think he lost a superbowl just like McNabb so we’ll call that a moot point. Oops, I’m talking about the past,so let’s get back to the future when you tell your grandchildren how the great Donovan Mcnabb almost won a superbowl.
If there was an Eagles sight I’m sure it would be depressing, cause what do you do now? Your star player and MVP lost it for you. Where were the weaknesses last season? How do you become a better team than you were last year?
If you haven’t noticed there’s a positive outlook to this website. It’s called hope. Eagle’s fans have none cause their piss poor losers and have to come rain on Cowboy’s fan’s parade. Do your worst, cause until you win the big one your teams worthless.The past is important, that’s why everyone wants to win the Superbowl, because once they’ve won it, it’s there’s forever. Ask Dan Marino, or better yet ask Donovan McNabb.

Ricky

Clark,

You know whatâ€â"¢s is funny? Not that we respond to you, but you are here, today and yesterday. Your team ainâ€â"¢t cutting it for ya, huh! Wow you finally made the Super Bowl, so you think you got something to talk about. How long did it take you!! Did you cry? McNabb looked pathetic … missing wide open receivers, throwing to covered players when Westbrook was wide opened in the flat and had green grass in front of him (did that twice). How many interceptions did he throw?

Past, present, future ….. the Dallas Cowboys are the most glorious franchise in all of sports …. Americaâ€â"¢s Team baby!!!! While you keep talking about Philladelphia teams making championship games, when was the last time they won one?

In a large market like Philly!! In the past twenty years small market teams have had more success than Philladelphia franchises … uh Buffalo (only boasts two teams) has been to more championships than Philly franchises. Portland, St.Louis, Anehiem, Minnesota, Denver, Tampa Bay …. these smaller market cities have all won championships, during this pathetic run by Philadelphia teams. Not to mention the Dallas Cowboys, by their lonesome, have won 3.

All other large markets have won multiple championships in the past twenty years!! (L.A., New York, Detroit, Chicago, DALLAS, Boston) Philly is a laughing stock!! Worst stadiums … wort fans … worst tradition!!! Take that home!!

Hey you have Rocky!!!

Monty,

So I take that as you do not want to do the Ricky Williams for McNabb trade?

Sorry I do not keep up on the history of any of the morons that are Philly fans.

Number of Super Bowl rings won by Quincy Carter, Hutchinson, Vinny………ZERO.

Number of Super Bowl rings won by McNabb……….ZERO. Cunningham…..Zero. Jaws……Zero.

Terrel Owens got even JEFF GARCIA to the probowl. Brady, Delhomme, Brad Johson, Kurt Warner…….what do they all have in common. They all beat McNabb when it mattered. So not sure if McNabb is better than all those guys are not, when it mattered he was not. He went home.

The reason you eagles fans are visting this site, is very basic. You guys know what we know.

The Boys are Back……yes the Boys are back int TOWN!!!

If you want to compare QBs than perhaps you should compare Tom Brady to Troy Aikman. That is worthy of comparison because both of them have THREE THINGS IN COMMON. Those big fat SUPER BOWL rings that come with not CHOKING, but getting it done.

Does it feel good to go to the Super Bowl and LOSE? What the hech are ya’ll so fired up about in Philly. You guys have gotten beat by a better team the last four years, in fact some argue ya’ll were the better team and uh er CHOKED.

Heck Atlanta … where the fans don’t even show up, have won more than Philly … now that’s sad!!

Worst Stadiums… in Philly? The Eagles stadium is 2 years old, the Eagles practice complex is new and the best in the NFL the Phillie’s baseball park is 1 year old. Do you Dallas fans ever know what you post. What a moron.

Monty,

I am talking about the last 20 years!!

The Vet … suprised they didn’t throw the 76ers out there too!!

Monty,

Got anything to say about winning championships!! That’s right these DALLAS COWBOYS won more than the entire city of Philadelphia!! Get it straight!!

So You’re saying what Jon? Delhomme is better then McNabb? I came to this site because a die hard Cowboy said all you Dallas fans here are dopes. I just wanted to see for myself. No doubt about it , he was correct. Good Luck this season………………You will need it. LOL What a bunch of morons.

I will take that bet JON. You will where a Terrell Owens Jersey, ’cause I know he made a lot of friends in Dallas dancing on that ugly star of yours.

I am not going to comment on the Aikman junk, as I have already admitted that I respect the Dallas team of the 90’s. Unfortunately, Jimmy Johnson does not live there anymore.

I have to run JON. We can exchange particulars later. I will be back.

Monty,

Who won that game Monty? Who competed like hech in the 4th quarter and had to be beat by a Vinateri Field Goal. Delhomme. He did not quit and fail in his two minute drive he got it done. In fact maybe a little too fast cause he left time for another guy Brady to come back and beat them.

Yeah, I take Delhomme over McNabb. He visited Dallas wish we would have signed him. He is a better QB than Aaron Brooks, I cannot believe NO let him go. Again, TO made Jeff Garcia a probowl QB. Then the two acted like the immature spoiled SF Punks that they both are and attacked each other in the media. Let Roy Williams take out TO again in the first match and see how good your McNabb is.

There are Winners and there are losers. So far McNabb looks like a LOSER.

Did anybody hear the Chicago Press after Utah unveiled their Stockton and Malone statues. Question out of Chicago was will there be a Jordan Statue in between the two of them stealing the ball and going for a DUNK? Good question, because Jordan was the WINNER. Your team my friend……..is just as bad as ours. If you do not win it all, does it really matter?

Marco Rivera………..$9 Million

Anthony Henry………$10 Million

Jason Ferguson……..$10 Million

Drew Bledsoe………$5 Million

Three Picks by 42……$20 Million

BEATING THE EAGLES……..PRICELESS!!!!!!

Jon, Not that it matters but McNabb has gone to the Pro Bowl for 5 straight years. So I don’t follow your TO to McNabb Pro Bowl thing. With this final thought I will say, with the way you reason things out Elway would have been a “LOSER” at age 28 or 29. Your points are weak. Make sure you pay up when Clarky wins that bet. Son, don’t go through life stupid and a deadbeat too. Good Luck next season…………Later.

Clarkeseux:
You keep`talking about the now and all that shit, but am I reading back and back again about the Eagles owning the Division in the last 4 years?

I guess that’s the education in Philly, to just remember the winning days and nothing more.

Talking about now, Bledsoe last year was seen as a tackling dummy more because he had a pretty poor game from his line, no real TE in sight, and not the best season from Moulds and Evans was a rookie. This year Bledsoe has a strong left side (Adams/Rogers and LA), a pretty good C in Johnson, a fortified right side with the sole addition of Rivera and a player to emerge or to draft at RT, a couple of pretty solid TE (comparisons of Witten with Coates, a player Bledsoe knows well, are permited), the present RB of the franchise and a couple of wides that can catch almost anything you throw at them, you can say anything you want about Key, but I’ll remind you that Eagles fans last season were trash talking about him, saying that he was done and some other things, and he ended with more catches and yards than any wide on your roster not named Terrel, and he was done?

I hope Bledsoe is as done as him.

About McNabb in those Pro Bowls? He made as much in those Pro Bowls as in that Super Bowl…….. What did he made? Not a thing. So, I’m not jealous of you, u can keep him as much as you guys want, I don’t want to teach him to drink water every now and then before a big game.

To the misinformed people on this site calling themselves Eagles fans:

Let me explain a few things to you about football since you don’t get it.

First of all, the NFL as we know it, pretty much began around the time the Super Bowl came into existence.

Championships won before that are mostly irrelevant since there were only about 5 other teams (and somone HAD to win).

I also have a great respect for football history, and you were the ones who had a team called the Steagles – since there weren’t enough players to go around.

If you had had to mix your inbred selves with us, we would surely have been called the Cowgirls that year.

Secondly, I have twice visited that poor excuse for a venue called Veterans Stadium (liked the name though). Not only was it run down like everything else in your city – I rode the train and the bus – I’ve never seen anyone f*** up a snow cone before. Your new stadium looks nice on TV, but I’m sure the jacka**ses who said they hoped Michael Irvin died while I was using the leaky stall retained their season tickets.

Finally, I’ve never seen a group of people brag so much about a team who just lost the Super Bowl.

Let’s face it, the Cowboys have been to the Super Bowl more times than you have won the division.

The big difference between Cowboy fans and Eagles fans is:

We’re upset because we’re used to winning
You’re upset because you haven’t won anything.

I could’nt agree more with bigjims’ comments. Most of you eagle fans out there are no more than people posing with the current trend. Everybody is now an Eagles fan or a Patriot fan. Next year your team will be whoever has a break out year. The Eagles go down next year. Screw any of you so called Dallas or Philly fans that think otherwise. We are on our way back up. Doubt it? DON’T! I’ve been a diehard Dallas fan for years. I cried when Emmitt retired. I love them Cowboys. Next year they’ll show you more than you think they will.
The eagles are this decades Buffalo Bills, so go ahead, CHOKE over and over. I enjoy watching it

AWWWWWW You cried when Emmitt retired. How sweet. As for the trend thing I’ve had season tickets for the Eagles for 18 years. Take off those blinders cow pokes. Those cowboys are not that good.

Bahh haaa haaa haaa!!! Yea, listen to yourselves try and convince yourselves that you guys sucking today, the here and now, does not matter!!!!

And if the days prior to Super Bowl did not matter, then the trophy would not be named for Lombardi who won most of his championships PRIOR to the Super Bowl period.

And, finally, when the Eagles won the NFL Championships, there were more than 5 teams. 1926, 22 teams, 1948 and 1949, 10 teams, and 1960, 21 teams including your expansion team that season, which went 0-11-1. So, learn your history you morons.

I will be back to educate you, but if the Eagles kicking your pathetic teams asses 9 out of 10 times doesn’t, I don’t know what more I can do.

Clarkesux,

On what subject could you “educate” us? On losing Super Bowls? On losing league title games? On having winning streaks against the other team? Nah, we were doing those long before your team ever got to experience them. But we also got some nice titles in the bargain.

But WE’RE living in the past? Nice job of projection, mister. It seems that you’ve had to reach back to your grandfather’s and great grandfather’s teams to find a title that you can wave at us.

What’s amazing is why you come here. We’re a 6-10 team right? We’re has-beens, right? We’re living in the past, right? Then why do you hang out with us? Cool kids won’t have you?

Admit it, in a year in which you go to the Super Bowl, you can’t stop looking over you shoulder at our poor, downtrodden franchise.
You say you’re too good for us, but YOU CAN"T GET US OUT OF YOUR MINDS.

You’re like the poor guy who finally got the big promotion and moved into the McMansion in the nice part of town. You should be at the club, but the first chance you get, when your wife is not looking, you go slumming in our seedy little Cowboys bar, to brag about what a big plasma screen you’ve got and how expensive your car is.

Why don’t you walk next door and brag on yourself with your neighbors the Patriots? What, they won’t have you? Too declasse for them? Too much dirt under your fingernails?

Maybe the reason you come to the 6-10 bar is because, in your heart of hearts, this is where you feel comfortable. This is where you’ve lived most of your football life. This is where you really belong. Our fine silverware and cups may be in storage, but at least we’ve got plenty of them. And they’re ours. When the guests come, we don’t have to break out grandpa’s china, and talk about the good old days decades before we were born, like you do.

We know that we’ll be unpacking our trophies again soon and adding new ones to the collection. And you just have to know, deep down, that the Cowboys will win their next Super Bowl before you win your first.

Otherwise, you wouldn’t be here.

Actually, I am here because a fan of your team, actually, one of you guys lambasting me now, asked me to be here to talk some sense. He is only talking like y’all right now so not to be outed as one of the few sensible Cowboys fans out there.

As for Delhomme v McNabb – are you crazy? What did Delhomme do in the Super Bowl? Nothing. He lost, as did McNabb.

You know who else lost their first SB? Marino, Tarkenton (3) , Elway (3), Craig Morton (2 – 1 for y’all and 1 for Denver), Unitas, Len Dawson (who, btw, became the SB MVP a few years later), Bledsoe. A lot of Hall of Famers in there, the rest All-Pros or Pro Bowlers. Losing a Super Bowl does not make you less of a QB. Winning the SB is a team effort. Thats why guys like Trent Dilfer have won. But you would not choose Dilfer over McNabb, or Marino would you. And Elway proves that just ‘cause you lose a few does not mean you never will win. It just proves that even the great ones don’t win all the time. Jim Kelly, Dan Marino and John Elway went a combined 2-8 in the Super Bowl, yet all will be in the Hall of Fame some day. Dilfer will not be. And probably not McNabb. But he is still among the best in the game today. And to say otherwise is just fooling yourself.

Great site…nobody has posted anything in over a week!