Contract Madness

I also heard frediie mitchell is on the verge of being released fromt he eagles. Apparently Reid is tired of him being unproductive and he talks too much.

I am getting sick and tired of Rosenhaus. Its going to become a time where team general managers are not going to negotiate with players that are represented by him. It wont surprise me to see T.O. hold out during training camp to get his deal redone. I wonder if Jerry and Bill take into consideration who the players agent is when drafting a player. This guy is a clown….

Agents are already changing the draft. Last year we saw Winslow drop because of having the Poston bro’s represent him. The Redskins were tired of their demands and passed on Winslow. The Browns were dumb enough to talk about how great he was before signing him.

Luckily some of the bigger names are starting to see issues like this such as Pace from St. Louis. He dropped the Postons and got a deal done quickly. In his comments after signing he mentioned that if he would have had different representation earlier it would have been done a long time ago. My only question to Pace would have been to see if he took any blame in staying with them that long.

As for Freddie Mitchell (former 1st round pick of the Eagles), that guy is an idiot and deserves everything he gets. When you’re on a good team and you have a star next to you, shut up and play. Right Scottie Pipen?

I think it ridicules that these guys don’t honor their contract. I mean come on, they want a one way street here. If a guy gets hurt and misses the whole season OR ends up a disappointment like Marcus Wiley, the player still gets paid AND still keeps the big fat signing bonus he was paid; the player wins in that situation. Now if they have a better season than expected and aren’t happy with their current contract whether due to other players striking it rich in free agency or bitter because they accepted a lower contract in the first place, they want a “do over”. Basically, they want it their way all the time without living up to their end of the bargin. It’s such bulls—- and leaves a bad taste in my mouth at the level of greed prevelant with today’s players. I mean really…how much money do these guys need?

I think the Keyshawn thing is overblown and there probably isn’t much to it. I live in D.C. and can tell you that it’s fair for Moss to sit out since it was agreed upon that he would get a new contract upon being traded. Sean Taylor on the other hand is a head case and should honor he’s contract. T.O. should just be happy he got what he wanted last year and that was to play in Phili instead of Baltimore. Heck, if SF wanted to play hardball with him he would still be a 49er due to the mistake made by his agent last year on not filing the apporpriate paperwork to make him a free agent.

These guys have to learn that the world doesn’t revolve around them and that they need to live up to their end of the bargin. It’s like they aren’t even on this planet.

Good threads Don and Gene.

I believe a contract should be honored. That also means by a Player and the Team. Teams sometimes ask a player that has underperformed or had an injury to take a cut. Players wanting more money after just signing a contract last year, come on TO. Excellent point, SF should have pushed the issue. Baltimore really got the short end there. You also have guys that absolutely play far above their pay grade. The league paying them now with revenue sharing is a great idea. I hope the teams are smart enough to start talks and show some interest. Football is a risky game, and the player assumes that risk. Anybody seen Jim Plunkett walk lately, it ain’t pretty. How do we put a price on that? It is a difficult task. Compared to the overpaid baseball and basketball players……..and the decline in basketball and hockey, I would say NFL has done a good job overall. Of course they got that collective bargaining agreement coming up, but I think the players remember the last time they went on strike. Scabs filled in, some of them kept their positions. One is wise not to bite the hand the feeds them.

Excellent point that these guys keep signing bonus. Wiley is a perfect example of a guy that got overpaid. If he goes to Fla and plays well, he will be out there asking for big bucks again.

But if you have both the player and the team honoring contracts I think then you can truly say a contract is a contract. Nowadays with the Salary Cap that is less so for both the players and the team. Players also profit from endorsements, investments, businesses, and other sources of revenue. Emmit has a very successful Cell Phone company in Texas, Staubach is mulit millionaire as a Real Estate Developer not from his football playing days. Guys like Roy Williams are extremely marketable. Mr. Julius Jones will be getting phone calls soon. If the player does some things off the field that cause him to lose these opportunities that is his fault.

Leigh Steinberg requires his players to get involved with Charities and give back to communities. He somehow represents Ricky Williams also, but a lot of guys were class acts like Aikman and Steve Young.

What is good for the goose is good for the gander. I think it will continue to be a struggle with the salary cap. I am not siding with the players here, just pointing out it ought to work both ways. Unfortunately, there seems to be failures on both sides.

A contract is a contract, well until it ain’t. Also remember the real rules of Company and Employee. It is the job of the Company to pay the employee as little as possible for him or her to perform their and not to leave. It is the job of the employee to do as little as possible without being fired. This seems to be the attitude of many in the workforce. Anybody ever resign to leave a Company only to be offered a big pay raise suddenly, uh you already asked for more money but suddenly they decide you are worth much much more now that you found another job. The struggle between employer and employee is an old and strange battle……..no where is it as grand as professional sports.

TO……..has no right to hold out. He gave what he should have last year……how many millions for 7 years…….and we are in year 2 almost……but that is Andy Reid and Luries problem. Have at it boys.

agreed…WR’s are the most selfish and greediest guys on the field, when will it stop? at least marvin harrison seems to have it in line, and some others…

some of you want a CB for our FS position and roller will prolly be gone but i read this on SI.com about a rising prospect in the draft….

Fabian Washington, Nebraska, Cornerback — The first round is expected to be heavy with quality cornerbacks, but Washington has climbed the charts a bit because of his eye-popping 40 times on Nebraska’s pro day. Washington ran a 4.29 and a 4.31, and had a vertical leap of 41.5 inches. Once considered a borderline first-round prospect at best, Washington could now go in the 18-to-24 range. If there’s an early run on the top-rated corners, that number could inch even higher.

With such outstanding jumping ability, Washington is considered the best pure athlete among the first-round cornerbacks, and he’s certainly the quickest. His three years of starting experience in a major program are also seen as a huge plus for a team in need of an immediate impact player. Washington is a little on the small side at 5-10 1/2, 188 pounds, but he plays tough and his ball skills compare favorably with any of the other higher-ranked prospects.

Ryan,

Washington is an interesting prospect. Nebraska has been awful lately, so not much tv coverage for me to know how well he played. I saw Rolle a lot against tough competition so I can say he is a player and will be in the NFL. What Rolle gives up in Speed he makes up for in quickness, toughess and tackling. He can manhandle and play the bump and run on a big recievers.

Pool is another guy being linked to the Cowboys that has good speed and tackling. Not sure about him either, obviously OU was extremely successful but not sure how much passing attack they faced. USC lit em up, but hey they lit everybody up.

Pac Man seems to be falling a bit, cause it was thought his 40 times would be better. But he was good in coverage and is a football player not a finese player as well. As long as the guy can cover and tackle and he could theoretically play CB or FS. Which I think is a better way to fill the third DB spot on the field. Other than Woodson who was LB converted to S, Johnson drafted CBs and used em in their secondary. Woodson also ran a 4.4 40, not typical linebacker speed that makes him faster than Rolle and as fast as Pac Man(who was supposed to break the 4.4 barrier).

Not sure how it will break down. I would definitely add a quality CB to the roster other than just Henry. If not at the top somewhere in there. Hey if Parcells can find another small linebacker that runs a 4.40 40 and wants to put him at FS be my guest.

Pete Hunter has all the speed and intangibles. However, he was injured last year. Prior to that he could not beat out Edwards on the other side for corner. I though he played pretty well last year prior to injury. He has good size and speed. I know he played some Safety in College, but the jury is still out on him in the NFL. I would rather have another guy back there personally. Although DE, DT, LB and WR need upgrades.

Dallas has invited Mike Williiams to there pro day workout. Now I have heard a lot of threads talking big on Williamson, how yall feel about Williams?

everyone that is a cowboys fan,

ignore the eagles guys, let them talk and talk and talk and if we dont respond, theylly leave so i know they will prolly read this too, and say something bout it but just ignore ‘em, they aint worth it, dont respond to them even one word just let it come and let it go, we know how are team is and how we aren’t, them tellin us doesnt matter so just ignore anything they say, even if it bothers you, they honestly are the dirtiest fans out there, i cant stand them personally i hate them as fans for how they are, but lets just stick to what this site is made for, and IGNORE ANY

everyone that is a cowboys fan,

ignore the eagles guys, let them talk and talk and talk and if we dont respond, theylly leave so i know they will prolly read this too, and say something bout it but just ignore ‘em, they aint worth it, dont respond to them even one word just let it come and let it go, we know how are team is and how we aren’t, them tellin us doesnt matter so just ignore anything they say, even if it bothers you, they honestly are the dirtiest fans out there, i cant stand them personally i hate them as fans for how they are, but lets just stick to what this site is made for, and IGNORE ANYTHING THEY SAY OK? LET THEM TALK, BUT DONT RESPOND

there are two new stories on dallas’ website. one is about KJ who is ALL SMILES and denies all the alleged reports.

check it out

(1) I recall stories about Jerry Jones having agents outside of agent’s offices during the draft. Following the story (perhaps the myth), Jerry would select the player if the agent agreed to the deal immediately while the Cowboys were on the clock. If that has any truth, it definitely speaks to how concerned Jerry is with a player’s signability.

(2) Some agents are leeches. Their goal is to suck blood and when they’re well fed, they claim they’ve done what’s best for the player. However, the owner is angry, the fans are angry, the player’s teammates may be angry. Is that really better for the player? Hopefully, some players are able to see through that. Yes, players ought to be given fair contracts and yes, they should use hold-out as a bargaining chip if/when necessary. However, agents such as Rosenhaus and the Poston bros willingly put a player’s public image at risk and create an immediately negative negotiation with teams. I liken such agents/leeches to the mob. They give you offers you can’t refuse.

(3) I agree with the recommendation to not respond to Philly fans or other Cowboys bashers. I really like this blog because there are a lot of good points made by the fans. If we start bashing Philly, the appeal will go away. Honestly, its equally disruptive to read/scan past stuff from the Philly fans as it is from the Cowboys fans who write inane stuff back. So, I too kindly request we TRY hard to put our egos aside and focus on the football. Go boys!

btw., there’s much speculation by us fans that Pete Hunter will be tried at free safety. That seems to make a lot of sense. However, is there are evidence or suggestion of this experiment by the team? Also, if that’s true and he makes it as a safety, then the Cowboys have only two corners with good experience. Who is behind Newman and Henry? Last year’s rookie class didn’t impress too much. Maybe Frazier can play better or Thornton can prove to be an ok player, but I’m not too comfortable with that scenario. I think a corner or a safety with the credentials to start in the NFL has to be in the Cowboys’ plan. Perhaps a veteran who is no longer fast / explosive or a late 3rd round draft choice (assuming the cowboys make trades).

Also, anyone know how Derrick Strait played last year (CB for the Jets)? He was projected to be 1st rnd material last year and dropped all the way to the 4th round. 1 year ago I was hoping the cowboys would draft him when we started slipping.

cheers!

If the â€Å"Boys” in the war room are suave enough, Dallas can own this draft. Rafael’s hypatheticals suggest that the Cowboys could possibly add a few picks by trading down out of the 20 spot. I am all for that, and trading down out of the 11th spot too. Jones is very very smart by putting the Boys out there as possible trade partners with anyone looking to move up. Dallas could trade down a couple of times and add a host of picks. In these threads we, Cowboysâ€â"¢ fans, often write about Jimmy Johnsonâ€â"¢s and Bill Parcellsâ€â"¢ war room strategies. The one trait they have in common, and it leads to a lot of their success, is they stock pile selections. Its quite possible that the Boys end up with 10+ selections including a including 4 on the first day, and another 1st next year. If â€Å"another Buffalo” comes calling and offers next years 1st and a later 1st this year for the 11th selection this year, then Dallas could end up with two 1sts next year too.

Oakland, who is rumored to want into the 1st round, could offer their 2nd and 3rd this year and their 4th next year for our position at 20. Whether its D. Johnson, M. Williams, B. Edwards, or A. Rolle, we have to expect one of them to fall, and the best part is they will all have suitors, but at what price? Anyways let’s go Cowboys!!!

Tedia,

Dallas had some more free agents in this week, at S and other WR but nothing to get excited about. Hunter has been asked by Team to consider FS……….he played S some in college. None of those rookies looked all that promising but they were all later round rookies……..Frazier off the Baltimore Squad and Reeves seemed to be the best of the bunch. As a Nickel back they might work…….but I still see a CB or FS as a big need.

Mike Williams is a stud….not as fast but good size and runs routes well….so is Edwards…….and Williamson certainly looks the part. Clayton I know less about.

Pete Hunter makes sense at safety more because he already can start to study film and the playbook, than his speed and coverage skill, which are there, but you can’t bet all your marbles on a rookie corner moving up to safety or a safety selected in the 2nd round or lower, you better have something to rely on or you finish like Bill last year, with his pants down because Woody came down.

Frazier, for an undrafted rookie, managed himself great last year, I see him as the 3rd corner. And we still don’t know what Thornton can do in there. And I do see a safety in the 2nd round, so Hunter as backup at FS and CB is a posible.

To the misinformed people on this site calling themselves Eagles fans:

Let me explain a few things to you about football since you donâ€â"¢t get it.

First of all, the NFL as we know it, pretty much began around the time the Super Bowl came into existence.

Championships won before that are mostly irrelevant since there were only about 5 other teams (and somone HAD to win).

I also have a great respect for football history, and you were the ones who had a team called the Steagles – since there werenâ€â"¢t enough players to go around.

If you had had to mix your inbred selves with us, we would surely have been called the Cowgirls that year.

Secondly, I have twice visited that poor excuse for a venue called Veterans Stadium (liked the name though). Not only was it run down like everything else in your city – I rode the train and the bus – Iâ€â"¢ve never seen anyone f*** up a snow cone before. Your new stadium looks nice on TV, but Iâ€â"¢m sure the jacka**ses who said they hoped Michael Irvin died while I was using the leaky stall retained their season tickets.

Finally, Iâ€â"¢ve never seen a group of people brag so much about a team who just lost the Super Bowl.

Letâ€â"¢s face it, the Cowboys have been to the Super Bowl more times than you have won the division.

The big difference between Cowboy fans and Eagles fans is:

Weâ€â"¢re upset because weâ€â"¢re used to winning
Youâ€â"¢re upset because you havenâ€â"¢t won anything.

To those who requested no reply to Eagles fans I appologize. But the truth had to be spoken.

See if you guys like this scenario.
The boys with their 11th pick get DE/OLB Merriman, trade their second #1 to move down in the 1st round and get an additional 3rd round and get WR Roddy White from UAB unless WR troy williamson is there when we to pick with our 20th pick. With our 2nd rounder we get FS Brodney Poole and with our 3rd and 4th pick we draft DE’s.

Another scenario could be that we trade with New orleans our #11 pick and a conditional pick for next years draft for their #16 and DE Darren Howard. With our 16th pick we get Williamson unless DE/OLB Merriman is still there and trade our 20th pick with the raiders since they don’t have a 1st round pick and have been rumored that they want to move up to the 1st round get their 2nd and 3rd round picks then we could draft FS Brodney Poole with one of our 2nd’s and the other 2nd could be used on DE justin tuck in case Howard doesn’t work out. We can then have Bill work some of his magic with our 3rd rounder and the rest of our picks. How would you guys like this scenario. I think if we Brodney Poolewe could have alot of options with FS like still use Pete Hunter, Lynn Scott, Keith Davis, Woody Dantler to let Brodyney Poole develop into a great FS. I don’t think Lance Frazier should take as much heat as he is by us Cowboy fans because he filled in there at CB pretty good for not having any NFL experience and remember no PASS RUSH!!!!! Terance Newman struggled last year but he will be back to form. Our other CB that got hurt last year will benefit from newly acquired CB Anthony Henry since they won’t be pressured to contribute right away. Our nickel package for our DB could become our strong point in our defense. We could have “’Im gonna knock your head off with this hit” SS Williams, FS Poole, RCB Newman, LCB Henry, Nickel Back Hunter-Frazier-Thorton-Reeves and getting a mad PASS RUSH from Ellis,Ferguson,Glover,Howard or Merriman. Or if we wanted to blitz a linebacker then we would use Howard and have Merriman coming in on the Blitz from the OLB position or our Big Hitter Williams. Can you say #1 Defense again. Leading the league in Sacks and in Interceptions. Let’s get this draft over with already and start the Season. Go Cowboys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Alan,

What if? Well what if Williams or Edwards falls to 11? That could cause a bidding war (San Diego, and Seatle, possibly others like Baltimore or Atlanta) It’s possible that the Cowboys could trade down 1 spot swiching positions with San Diego, and end up picking up their 4th and 7th round selections and still get Merriman if he is there. Who knows what San Diego would offer! You have to believe they would be big players here if either WR is on the board, with jaws to the ground, knowing how close they are at having Tomlinson, Brees, Gates, and a star receiver, and still have another 1st to address the defensive side of the ball. Then with all the dropped balls up in Seatle, they have to be itching for a stud WR, and have to believe that WR is the missing piece on that offense. Especially because they believe dropped passes cost them from advancing in the playoffs the last two years.

what is wrong with putting a guy like Williams or Edwards on the Field? with a Star on the side of his helmet?

Nothing at all! But if a team is going to overprice your position, then go for the trade. Now that the 22nd overall selection of last year’s draft can turn out to be – your favorite guy – Troy Williamson (or possibly John Abraham), Julius Jones, and Sean Ryan. Don’t you get the point in trading down? I betcha you liked Steven Jackson, didn’t you?

First of all, those Eagles trolls – absolutely no sense of humor. They give us trolls a bad name. Plus…hitting the Patriots blog might have been a bit more challenging for them…

Secondly, Oiler Troll is officially announcing his entry into Professional Football
Management. Yep, that’s right, Oiler Troll decided to dabble in being a sports agent. Oiler Troll has time and I hear the money is good.

So, what Oiler Troll expects from you Cowboy fans who have been telling him since birth how much you know about football and how you all have such intimate knowledge of pro football players. If that is really true, then hey, throw Oiler Troll a bone here. Let Oiler Troll represent these players in their contract negotiations (be it legitimately new negotiations for several million dollars or the cry-baby renegotiations as Dr. Rafael explained in which several million dollars is just not good enough – it has to be several million plus a Hummer for the agent [absolutely no pun intended]).

Oh, and please, nobody tell these guys that Oiler Troll thinks they are all overpaid – it really hurts recruiting (I still giggle at the Mike Piazza quote from Sports Illustrated a few years ago: “I just couldd not look myself in the mirror everyday if I was only get paid $70 million…” And that’s for a guy who plays baseball).

Oiler Troll prefers to recruit clients the old fashioned way – lure them onboard an airplane plane with flattery and then offer them as many ilicit substances and rosy-cheeked women I can get gather. Fair is fair. Oiler Troll is also old school in that all clients who commit crimes or other acts against common sense are immediately issued full length fur coats lest they catch cold in the courtroom (hey, better the Michael Irvin treatment than former Oiler DB JC Wilson who demanded a pony to ride in on).

If Oiler Troll can land Keyshawn as a client, Rafael you may offer all who blog here season tickets to the Cowboys. If I get Ryan Leaf instead, then every blogger here will get a ginger-snap and a glass of milk…if they resist flame-warring.

OT

PS

Like Led Zepplin, Pastorini rules!

Man, that is too funny that Mike Piazza said that. I had never heard that. Sounds like the Latrell Spreewell quote where he asked how he would be able to feed his family after his $14.6 million contract expires. It amazes me that these athetes seem to see money in such a different light than me. To get $1 million dollars at anytime in my life would be amazing.
        As far as trying Pete Hunter at Safety is concerned, I really like the idea and am glad to hear so many other Cowboys fans actually listening to the idea. At 6-2, 208 pounds, and his speed, we gotta make sure he isn’t a late bloomer.
        On the issue of ignoring Eagles trolls, I’m always for it. I try and always not respond to trolling anywhere, whether it be by an Eagles, Redskins, Steelers, or whoever fan. We, the Cowboys fans, know the legacy of the Star on the side of the helmet and don’t need to hear crap from silly trolls.
        I’m glad that I found this blog while searching around and definitely plan to visit much in the future. In the imortal words of Jimmy Johnson, “How ’bout them Cowboys!!”