Hit the Road, Hunter

I say if Hunters heart is not in it (making the transition). Then he will never succeed at FS. So I say if we could muscle even a 7th round pick for him it is a plus. Hunter has been marginal at best, and is now locked out of the starting lineup with the acquisition of Anthony Henry. He is also inferior to Lance Frazier when it comes to manning the nickel, so he is expendable. Tell him to bounce.

I basically agree with Carl; however, I liked what I saw from him prior to his injury last year. He has great size and speed(prior to the knee injury) but I would feel lucky to get a 6 or 7 for him. BTW, Thanks to this website for getting me thru the last couple of months-always a hard time of year with no football.

Send him to Jacksonville they could use the help and they are not in our conference. Brodney Pool, Josh Bullocks anyone. I’ve been reading a lot online about these two but didn’t see them play. If anyone has seen both play please give me an analysis. We should be able to get one of them. We take that 6 or 7 and look at Brandon Jacobs. Big back with good speed and not much wear and he went to college in my hometown. He could spare JJ some undue pounding.

WHAT ABOUT A TRADE?WE BRING IN DONAVIN DARIUS AND MAYBE A PICK?AND I HEARD THAT DONAVIN WAS LOOSING SOME WEIGHT.WHAT DO YOU FELLAS THINK?

Adrian,

He plays at Roy’s postion so he would have to convert FS

nope, want a young long term guy that is a good cover guy, ball hawk and plays FREE SAFETY, not converting a strong safety to play out of position, SEE ROY WILLIAMS LAST YEAR.

I want Brodney Pool ………. HE is going to be a stud from the word go, THe question is where will he fall? Can we get him with the #20 or may #24 if we trade with Green Bay? Rafeal any ideas???

Here is in my opinion the perfect draft, if we mak no trades.

1. Shawne Merriman OLB
2. Demarcus Ware DE
3. Brodney Poole FS (we may need to move up tp get him!)

I would take that and RUN……….. :-)

There’s no way the Cowboys are going to trade him away like that, I guess that he’s trying to put pressure on Parcells about him getting moved to FS, if he’s traded I don’t see Parcells getting less than what Campo expended the year he drafted him, a 5th rounder, a starter! Gimme a break! With Henry in there his only possibility to start is if any of the 2 starters get injured (I’m crossing my fingers) or at FS. That’s another example of an agent overvaluing the price of his client and another example of some of the things that are wrong in our world…………..

Chadd,

You’ve got Ware as a DE and Merriman as an OLB, but Merriman is
23 lbs. heavier than Ware.

I’d prefer Spears at 11 and then Ware at 20. That would give the defense
maximum flexibility to play either 3-4 or 4-3 front.

I’d say tough luck to Hunter…don’t let him dictate what he wants. The Skins did that with Coles and everyone up here in Washington knows the team got railroaded. I’m not suggesting that Hunter is as valuable to the Cowboys as Coles was to the Skins, but he needs to be a team player. The guy was a 5th round draft choice and he’s lucky to still be on the team. He didn’t play well two years ago in the slot and the team may need him to be a backup free safety or backup cornerback. Right now, he is one injury away from being a starter again and I’d rather the Cowboys keep him than end up with “another Hunter” with the six round choice they get for him.

Chandus,

His agent could not talk to other teams without permission from the Cowboys.
That would be tampering and the other teams would be fined and/or lose draft
picks and the agent would be fined or barred.

I like Spears@11 and then maybe Clayton @20.

Trade away our 3rd best CB? No way. Not for the buck and change other teams will be willng to offer. A 7th? a 6th? No way. We have 3 6th round picks already. I’d be really bummed to see him leave.

The ‘boys thought he was better than Mario Edwards entering last season. He’s tall and fast and can cover; he has more than a chance to be a contributor. Frazier has not showed me anything to make me think he’s better than Hunter. Neither has any of the Cowboy’s prospects.

I say we’re misguided to consider a corner high in the draft. We need a safety in worst way but we do not need another yound corner. Not this year. Let’s see how Hunter, Frazier and the rest of the peanut gallery perform this year in the nickle and (hopefully) occasionally spelling our starters. I like Rolle but its not the right investment for the Cowboys right now.

I’m with Rafael. Spears and Ware. I’m not sold on Merriman. I’d love to see Pool fall in to the 42nd spot but that’s a long wait (like last year with the RB’s :) )

As for Hunter. If he wants to be a back up at CB that’s fine. Someone else can get the playing time at FS.

And I would not let him go unless they could get something for him. Something better than a 6/7 pick. I’d rather see him sucking water on the side lines than give him up for that. Good luck getting a decent contract (from the Cowboys or else where) next year after being a backup that decided not to help the team.

im sorry but i think hunter should stay. there can be three corners on the field at once right? not like BP would be giving in or anything to hunter’s “wants” but hunter is much better than the next closest guy, frazier. although frazier is a decent backup since this will also be his second year (i believe). hes not that bad.

and i also like the idea of keepin the 11 and getting spears then trading the 20 down a little bit more in the first (to get POOLE) and pickin up an extra second or third or whatever. then get the best possible speedster DE at 42. and an OT with the pick we acquire from the trade down for poole

i really just think that FS is a need. poole is great in coverage and with spears and another speedster, we’d be awesome

or we could trade the 11 down a little bit to STILL get spears, get tuck with the 20, and poole with the extra 1st rounder. then an OT with the 42 and a LB with the extra pick we would get from trading 11 down.

Off the subject, but thanks to all of you for giving me some cowboys fans to talk to. this site is wonderful. I havent logged onto another football site for weeks. Anyway, i will be gone the rest of the week, and will miss having this site to come home to after work and see how my fellow boys fans are feeling about things. Ill be back on sat afternoon though to talk about the best cowboys draft (and off season in general) in over ten years! Man i cant wait! GO COWBOYS!

One more thing — Hunter has no leverage here. The Cowboys do what’s best for the Cowboys. Players who don’t like it can sit on their you-know-what for the year and think about it when they return to work at the 7-11. I’d not trade Hunter for a 6th or a 7th. Not even a 5th. That’s hardly of any help to the Cowboys and that sets a lousy precedent.

If players and agents are welcomed by owners to over-value themselves or carelessly claim contracts aren’t fair and use strong-arm tactics (ie., sitting out) to get what they want, we’ll end up being like another, far-lousier professional league of cry-babies, the NBA.

Maybe not such a bad thing Hunter wanting to be a starter – just bad style on his part for whining to the press. Parcells puts the best on the field, so let Hunter outplay Henry or Newman, else shut up and contribute in the nickle and ST.

My dream draft:

11 – Spears
20 – Ware
42 – Poole

I agree Hunter would set the bench before I would trade him for a 6th or 7th pick, just to keep him happy ??? We have to many players who want to play even if they are not as good as we think Hunter is !!!!

ok, i’m going to slightly amend my 42 pick. While I’d be thrilled with Poole, I wouldn’t mind getting Marlin Jackson if he fell.

roy is swinging to woodsons old spot so we actualy need a free saftey since roy is moving to strong , where he played in college

and screw hunter hes a baby, trade him for a draft pick or decent player if possible….

i agree with you james on your dream selections. i want poole, because he actually played Fs and it would make it easier for us but maybe BP will see better value w/ someone else.

Rafael,
what have you heard with BP on his favorite FS or CB guy for us to have?

we know he likes spears but what about FS? does he like poole the best or what??

Trade Hunter for a 6th round pick. Frazier is better in the nickel. My board goes like this:
11. Mike Williams, Shawne Merriman, DeMarcus Ware, Marcus Spears
20. Marcus Spears, Mark Clayton, DeMarcus Ware
42. Brodney Poole, Justin Tuck, Mark Bradley

Lou,

I like your thinking, I think that Tuck is going to be a stud and a strong possibility at #42.

In saying that

1. WARE
2. POOLE
3. TUCK

I JUST CAN’T GET PAST TRADING OUT OF 11 AND PICKING UP ANOTHER 2ND AND A LATER FIRST.

(TRADING W/ GREEN BAY)

1. WARE
2. POOLE
3. TUCK
4. NUGENT

Id trade him for our much neede depth at DT.
We are stacked with young corners, enough of his selfish ways

hes restricted so he can either sign a 1 yr or sit this year which will look really good for a reserve player

chadd how can you say get nugent?

we dont NEED a kicker, you just WANT one. so might alot of other guys here too.

BUT we have to distinguish the NEEDS before the WANTS.

we need a DE with our first overall pick whether its 11 or something else from a trade down. Then i would say FS is another NEED. then a tweener like TUCK should be acquired. and then the last real NEED in my eyes would be at OT which could be dealt with a 4th or 5th, or a 3rd if we get one. im sure there will still be quality talent then at OT.

then we can look towards the WANTS, with a WR, and RB or FB (which ever is better at that point)

then with the extras just get quality guys that can get groomed and be in there for our depth chart.

so here is my final (hopefully) mock pick selection for the top 3 picks…

11-Spears
20-Poole (because he wont be there at 42 and tuck will be)
42-Tuck

or trade 11 for GB’s 24 and 52 like chadd said.
20-Ware
24-Poole
42-Tuck
52-Mathis(i like this guy alot, if he aint there, then go w/ MUNOZ)

how does that sound? does anyone agree w/ any of that?

I agree I don’t like giving in to the demands of cry babies. But Hunter is at least close to starter quality. Granted if it coems to an injury we could use another starter. But if our guys stay healthy, then all we need is backups, well and a starting FS.

Whats to say theres not somebody out there looking for a starting corner, that maybe we could give them Hunter, for one of there at least decent backups. No I can’t see trading him for a later round pick. But if we can get a guy who may not be starter quality, but that can play when needed, such as nickle, or backup or whatever. Then I say go for it.

i have an off the topic question, someone please help me out here.

keylon kincade who is in NFL EUROPE from dallas, has a story on our homepage on how he was the offensive player of the week. does this mean we wont be looking HEAVILY for a RB in the draft. i mean with him, bickerstaff and lee, do we need one? he rushed for 106 yards, so does that mean much since its in europe?

someone please give me some analysis on this…

I don’t know much about Kincade, but I ddi read that article. I think we would be fine with Jones, Lee and Bickerstaff. That is if Lee could block. He seems like an excellenat runner, just needs to learn to block. If kincade can run decently and block as well, I say stick with what we got

www.draftking.com.

this is a great site, it is an underground site kind of, but its good.

the mock drafts arent the best since they have us getting a WR at 20, but go to the article entitled “in depth DE rankings” (April 15th) on the fron page, just scroll down a little bit. its aimed towards a dallas fan that emailed the guy on the site.

just check it out, its GOOD!

and then go to “in depth 2005 mock draft analysis-two rounds”

they have us givin up our 42 for howard, and then our 20 to the NYJ for their 26th and 88th(3rd round). and then us gettin poole with the 26.

thats a new idea i never thought of it but its a nice one. we get our 3rd rounder back and another 1st, which allows to HOPEFULLY get poole.

tell me what you all think….

Mike – if Hunter is almost a starter, then why trade him for a back-up quality player? If Hunter is a starter, then he should beat out either Newman or Henry. If he can’t, then he’s not a starter and no team will give up much for him. I’d say we’d garner a 6th round pick most likely, and probably conditional. That’s not a good trade for the Cowboys. So no trade. If Hunter holds out, so be it. His can be first string at the 7-11. I’ve no problem with that.

Tedia, as I said, he is almost a starter, which means he can be a starter, but hes not the best CB in the league. He will not start for the cowboys at CB unless there is an injury, he will not be out either of our starters, and will only start if there is an injury.

What I am saying is he has the ability to be a starting cornerback, we just have 2 guys that are better then him. So therefore he will not be a starter for us. Now maybe some other team(not sure who yet)has 1 CB that is better then Hunter and another that is close to as good or worse. They therefore would want Hunter, since he could likely improve thier staring secondary. Now maybe that same team has a guy who is not starter material, but has some ability, maybe he is a nickle back, who knows. Maybe they would be willing to trade him for Hunter who could possibly start for them.

Basically look at it this way. Hunter could be a starter, he won’t be with the Cowboys though. Would you rather have him playing half a$$’d as our backup/nickle CB or would you rather trade him for somebody that is pretty good, and is gonna give you his all when hes on the field.

I am not saying it is the best idea there is, or even if its available to happen, but it is better then the other situation. As you put it, him being first string at 7-11. I mean what good is he to us if he’s not gonna play, or not gonna play well. Might as well get something out of it. Worst case scenario, if he holds out, then we are 1 player short and still have the cap to deal with. If we trade him, then we are no longer one player short, and maybe we can get someone a little cheaper. I mean I don’t want to just get a 6th rounder for him, but even that is better then absolutely nothing.

Maybe I am missing something baout how all this works. If he holds out, do we not have to pay him? Does it free up a spot on the roster for us to sign someone else. Or are we gonna be paying him to take up space on the bench and bring down the rest of our players that may be around him? I have to be missing something given the info available. You are saying that trading Hunter for even a lesser player or late round pick is a bad trade so don’t do it. But paying him to not play is good?? Obviously not, so what am I missing about the situation?

BTW, I just read ont he cowboys site that Cundiff signed his tender, so(as much as we would all like it)stop talking about Nugent, we are not gonna draft him in the 2nd round.

The article also said that cowboys expect to sign Vollers and Hunter. So that means if he doesn’t sign, then we don’t have to pay him I assume. But does that also mean that he is not allowed to just go to another team? Cause if he is, and thats what he plans to do, then we sure as heck better do something to get something out of the deal.

Does anyone have any idea how well Hunter has recovered from his knee injury? Does he still have the same speed? Considering that he is basically unproven, and especially considering that he is coming off a knee injury, who would have any interest in him? I can’t think of a worse position than CB for a GM to take a risk on a bad knee.

Not sure if Hunter is a restricted free agent. I just thought he was under contract with the ‘boys and would be pulling a TO type hold-out or he’d play. I don’t think the Cowboys would have to pay him or count him on the salary cap if he holds out while he’s under contract. And if he’s anything but a free agent, he can’t sign with another team without some compensation for the Cowboys. Here’s hoping Hunter isn’t at the 7-11 next year.

check this site out…

www.draftking.com.

this is a great site, it is an underground site kind of, but its good.

the mock drafts arent the best since they have us getting a WR at 20, but go to the article entitled â€Å"in depth DE rankings” (April 15th) on the fron page, just scroll down a little bit. its aimed towards a dallas fan that emailed the guy on the site.

just check it out, its GOOD!

and then go to â€Å"in depth 2005 mock draft analysis-two rounds”

they have us givin up our 42 for howard, and then our 20 to the NYJ for their 26th and 88th(3rd round). and then us gettin poole with the 26.

thats a new idea i never thought of it but its a nice one. we get our 3rd rounder back and another 1st, which allows to HOPEFULLY get poole.

tell me what you all think…

See thats what I am saying though, if the guy doesn’t want to be a backup, and holds out, then what do we get out of it, nothing. He will just sit out the season and wait to become a free agent and go elsewhere. I would rather get something/anything for him, rather then nothing in ayears time. But I agree he may be a tough trade and is not worth much.

I just realized that Hunter has made a bigger A$$ of himself then i originally realized. I mean by holding out, that makes him one. BUt heres the deal, he is holding out because he wants to be a starter, he apparently thinks he is obviously not good enough to compete with Henry and Newman for the starting job, so therefore he is basiclly conceding that he is not good enough to start, but at the same time he is holding out because they won’t let him start. Kinda a catch 22.

As much as I don’t like giving in to cry babies, hers what we should do. Hunter feels that CB’s that move to FS are the ones that have lost a step, which he boviously thinks he hasn’t(not saying that he has myself)so he obviously thinks he has recovered from the surgery. But anyways. I say we tell him if he wants to start its gonna be at FS, which a chance at CB obviously if one of the others goes down. But add in a performance clause into his contract. Something like if he reaches a certain amount of tackles or interceptions or whatever that he will get more cash. That has to be what he is after right, the money? He is not after a staring job, or he would take starting FS, he wants the bigger pay day of the CB. He didn’t like seeing Henry come in and get that fat signing bonus.

I just can’t see losing him and getting nothing out of it. At least with that option maybe we can entice him to play FS. And with extra money possible, maybe he will perform even better.

Well, what about this picture, trade the 11 with Green Bay and:

20- Demarcus Ware, Dan Cody, Shaun Cody
24- Brodney Poole, Marlin Jackson, Kevin Burnett
42- Justin Tuck, Matt Roth, Josh Bullocks

And trade the 52 and Pete Hunter for New Orleans Darren Howard.

chandus, we could prolly get howard with the 52 alone.

mike, i like your idea of enticing him, maybe itll all work out

BP will set him straight i hope

What the heck Hunter and his agent are thinking about. Let’s see. A back-up for the last three years and to booth on IR last year. Give me a break. What happen during his rehab? Did he find a mircale cure for his game and think his can replace Newman or Henry. Instead of whining to the press he should be getting his tail ready for the season and play whatever position BP deems is most beneficial to the team. Wow. And on the subject of Drafts…I just don’t know. I just hope we leave the table with more than we have in the last five years, save JJ and Witten.

Looking for feedback.

sign ty law if no one wants him and move him to safety

that could be expensive but it try this one. ok i know this may sound crazy but just bear with me. we trade hunter to sf because they need cb help in exchange for saleem rasheed. i know you’re thinking i’m out of my mind but he’s only 25 and check out his combine notes 4.66 in the 40-yard dash…37.5-inch vertical jump…Bench presses 225 pounds 26 times…475-pound bench press…410-pound incline press…365-pound hang clean…32-inch arm length…8 1⁄2-inch hands…Right-handed…32 Wonderlic score. (source http://spazioinwind.libero.it/sf49ers/02draft_49ers_3.html) you can use him at multiple positions safety, linebacker in nickel or be roys back up and special teams.

With Hunter being a RFA he can’t hold out through the year and then be a FA. He still would have to play some games to get credit for the year. If he sits on the bench he kills a chance of getting a decent contract next year from any team.

He’s not going anywhere. I can’t imagine a team taking a flyer on a guy that couldn’t beat out Mario Edwards and then went down with an injury. They could have had Edwards if they wanted someone that bad.

I think Hunter is over playing his hand. He might want to dial 1-800-hambrick if he wants to understand the downside of what he’s doing.

It’s year 4 Hunter. Show up or shut up. Just ask BP.

I still want the boys to trade down one this year to pick up an extra 1st rounder next year (if another team is willing) so we can trade up for leinhart next year. a bunch of “ifs” but if it were doable we would be hitting on all cylinders in 2006!

WE DONT NEED A QB!!!

STOP THE LEINHART HOOPLA!!!!!

hunter resigned today, soi guess theres the chance of trading him now hes signed..

Hunter has been on the Roster now for 4 years………and failed to beat out Mario Edwards to become a starter.

Yeah he looked ok in 3 games prior to injury……..sorry about the injury Pete…….but you do not get injured and then demand stuff. It just does not happen that way.

Dallas still has needs at Nickel and FS……..or starting CB if a kid can beat out Newman or Henry. I say let Hunter go………all the rookies from last year and a player in this years draft……..especially guys like Rolle, Rogers, Webster, Washington, Poole………offer more than Pete Hunter did, does or ever will!!!! He is lucky to be in the NFL this long.

Hunter is not even guarenteed to play nickel…he better shut it and start training…look we got Nate jones, Jaq Reeves and don’t forget thornton…plus frazier…With Henry and Newman set to start…so there is some competition at the nickel spot. Now i am not saying these are all keepers, but they are gamers. Lets see if Thornton has something…Now is someone steps up and wants Hunter maybe we can package him, if not he better step it up or he might find himself out of football…not much call for a a guy with a big mouth coming off knee surgery…just ask D Ross…where is he these days???

I think a bigger need is Tackle and keeping Bledsoe on his feet…we do not have any solid starting tackle at this point at least no one we are positive can do the job all season…

I see the needs like this…
1- DE
2-Tackle
3-safety
4-LB
5-WR

Then trade down with the first 2 #1s if you can find a decent value (aka another #1 plusd extra 2nd/ 3rd picks). I’m not even going to guess who the trading partners will be but there always are people willing to deal…

so if that does go down…they may look at the following…

1. ware / tuck
2 brown/ barnes/ Terry
3. pool/ bullocks/ shazor
4.burnett/ blackstock
5.mathis/ brown/ thorpe

Not high profile names but solid players…remember a team is only as good as the sum of its parts…getting a decent rush end and safety will really go a long way to solidifying the defense. Giving Bledsoe time to make his reads and allowing us to run left and right (not just left) keeps the options open and the defense on its toes. Getting a speed burner will allow Johnson & Glenn more room and they are still pretty good remember the first few games last year when they were all healthy (with no running game…this year we got a running game to go with). Now…next year you draft a couple studs and hey we have solid make up all around, some stars and a few good reserves to fill in…now we are on our way…Like it was mentioned previously …the good teams always have plenty of picks to move up and down …so if we traded down and then the players we wanted were available just a few picks away..we could package a 6th, etc to move up a spot or 3 to get the decent players we want if they are there…if not package up the pick again move down and pick up more picks next year…look everyone is looking at moving down, what does that tell you…not a great draft year…so stock up for next year if you have to…

The ‘Boys signed Hunter immediately after bonehead whiner boy and his idiot agent shot their mouths off on Wednesday. I believe him to be done. The only question is whether we get something for him. The ’boys will make a move after the draft so as to wait and see what kind of FS they might get in the draft. Keep in mind that the ’Boys could package a # of players together in a trade for picks(Hunter, Gurode, Ellis,yes Ellis;depending on if they get the players they need to go to the 3-4. In the 3-4 ellis is expendable. Too small to play DE, to slow for OLB.) Who knows? I don’t want a guy around that is basically handed a starting job while coming off IR and just pisses on it. I just want to see something in return for him. A 7th rounder would be better than nothing if he decides to sit on his butt and cry all year long.

no more interest than Howard and Pryce were drawing…..you want to package the best DE and quality guy on and off the field we have?

we will be lucky if we get a DE that is as good as Ellis in the draft. I do not think we are going to be full time 3-4 this year and probably not next.

So lets say we play sometimes 3-4……..Glover Ferguson and Spears(draft could fit that bill……….)

4-3………throw ellis on the end next to glover………

if we are for trading Ellis…….we are probably going into rebuilding phase on our Defense and I do not hear Parcells talking rebuilding……..make changes yeah sure……..but my bet is we play just as much 4-3 next year and 3-4………regardless of the draft……

If we go fulltime 3-4 and can get a 1st rounder for him,YEAH. Better that than Parcells playing mind games with so he’ll quit. If it does happen, lets get something for him.

If we stay with the 4-3, draft that Spears from LSU and stick him on the strong-side. Put Ellis on the weak side and let him pin his ears back, 15 sacks a season man. I am not blind to Ellis’ accomplishments playing for a crappy defense. If it has to be, let’s make the best of it. And I do know of the quality of his character!