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Here are two late scenarios to play with, courtesy of CNNSi's Peter King.

  • The Carolina Panthers are looking to trade up if one of the top three running backs slips out of the top ten. If one escapes the Cardinals at pick 8, this is very likely. The Panthers will not have Stephen Davis for the beginning of the season and are concerned about DeShaun Foster's durability. A trade down from eleven to pick fourteen would yield the Cowboys that third round pick they so desire, but will cost them a fifth rounder in return.
  • If Dallas looks around and sees none of the pass rushers gone when the 11th pick rolls around, it could make this deal and still get one of the Demarcus Ware, Shawne Merriman, Marcus Spears trio. Carolina would want to move up to assure the falling RB is not selected by Houston at thirteen.

  • King reports that the Jets are exploring moving into the mid-to-late first round in exchange for their two second-round picks. The Cowboys' 20th pick is worth 850 points. The value of New York's 38th and 57th overall picks on a draft chart is 860 points. If Dallas were to come on the clock at 20 and find the first wave of pass rushers tapped out (Ware, Merriman, Spears, James, Pollack) this move could make sense.
  • Pulling off both of these moves would leave Dallas with a first, three second rounders and a third.

    Any part of these deals appeal to anyone?

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    rafael,

    i would take the NYJ offer. especially if those 5 DE prospects you mentioned are gone at 20. with 3 2nd rounders we could get a good LB/DE (or just a pure LB or a pure DE) FS, and an OT or WR. with 11 (or 14) we could get one of the three guys we covet

    this definitely makes sense.

    oh and by the way, what time exactly do you think dallas will be on the clock to be making their number 11 selection? just cuz i have things to do and want to make sure i dont miss their selection.

    by Ryan on Apr 22, 2005 5:38 PM CDT reply actions  

    Each team is given 15 minutes to pick. I think there will be a lot of trades tomorrow, or teams holding out the full 15 minutes for trades. With the draft starting at 11:00 am, don’t expect Dallas to pick any earlier than 1:45, CDT.

    Unless they trade up.

    by Rafael Vela on Apr 22, 2005 6:17 PM CDT reply actions  

    Well again in Bill we will trust.

    Rafael has pointed out how well BP does in the draft and in year three. So I say let him pick em, and let him play the trade his way not Jerry’s. If BP wants to do the trade do it.

    While the first 10 picks are not getting as much credit this year as in years past. There is no clear cut top 5 from anybody. There are really good football players that are going to be available at 11, 20, 42………37 all over those first 2 rounds. If we traded one of those and got some good 2nd rounders………we might still be able to get say a good WR…….possibly the deepest position in the draft……..and another CB that is decent……for Nickel, CB or FS…….I think it will depend on the player.

    You cannot just evaluate the value of the pick. You also have to evaluate the value of the players available when you are on the clock to make that pick. Last year was brilliant……….Julius was off the radar, and Bill had him pegged as good as Jackson, Kevin Jones, or Chris Perry……..it sure looks that way. I think DE is a bit trickier than RB, I mean you cannot make Pollack into Spears……it cannot happen no matter how much time he spends in the weight room. If you want that 300lb and he is the only one out there…….you got to say supply and demand his value is UP. While we may not have the Shanahan touch with RBs, RBs value is less due to their shelf life and the fact that so many are successful these days. The last time I remember a team that depended on the RB, and it became apparent to the team while he was in a holdout was EMMIT SMITH……..and yeah he was that valuable.

    I think the 11 and 20 can give us some playmakers. I think 42 can also. Possibly some of those other picks between 20-50………..guys like Tuck, Matt Jones, Clayton, some of those defenders at FS, CB and LB that we all been chatting about…..a guy like Webster or Bartell Jr…..there are some kids in that 2nd that are going to absolutely surprise the heck out of the NFL…however, if the guy is a PLAYER…….a difference maker……..and Bill thinks so………I say draft him…….regardless of the side of the ball he plays on and put a star on his helmet…….because I would rather have one good stud than a committee of mediocre……..i am tired of Dallas being Average……..give us a guy the Offense Fears……..give me somebody the defense says hey we gotta double that guy………..

    So really I just want Bill to sit back, relax and go with his gut instinct. If it says hang up the PHONE JERRY and picks a DE or OLB or Tweener or Corner……….go for it Bill. We have had success and failures with our trade down scenarios in the past……….tie on your six guns Bill and bring us back some Cowboys for the next Decade.

    by Jon on Apr 22, 2005 6:30 PM CDT reply actions  

    I agree with Jon, soo sick of the trading down and what not.. its great and it works… – like last yr, but i’ve seen it fail way more than its worked… I also believe we should let Bill do his thing, and to use Jon’s words, ‘I would rather have one good stud than a committee of mediocre’

    That statement says alot about our drafts years before… for every bonafide stud we get.. its 2-3 yrs worth of bust drafts.. Roy I think was the last really good/proven player we’ve drafted, Newman, hmm not sure with him, he’s being paid an awful lot, 10mil signing bonus.. I just hope he develops into that shut-down corner we saw on tape during the draft 2003… and I think Julius is gonna come into his own this year coming.. last yr when he single-handledy ran the seahawks into the dust on Monday Night Football was just amazing… with a solid revamped line, he should even be more dangerous… tommarows draft is going to be very intresting!!

    by Moh on Apr 22, 2005 6:54 PM CDT reply actions  

    what i want most is to somehow come up with a first round for next year. i hear that draft is loaded.

    by Steve on Apr 22, 2005 7:30 PM CDT reply actions  

    rafael,

    i thought it started at 12:30…not 11. maybe your right though i dont know.

    chris perry, chris perry, chris perry. who the heck is he? despite an RB and supposedly as good as the other crop last year. who does he play for? how come we dont hear of him like jackson, and the two jones’? and greg jones. wasnt he a top RB last year supposedly better than julius? i heard he was goin to FB for the ’05 season. why arent these guys as good as the other 3??

    JJ is top of the line a great back. elusive, quick and fast, and makes those AWESOME fake moves. did anyone see those moves he made on the NYG defense on the last game of the year on ESPN? oh my gosh!!!! the one that looked like a 6 or 7 lard loss, and then he made it to a 1st down!!! i mean he got the ball, backed up a few to maybe see the field, 2 or 3 guys comin at him, and he sped all the way around the right side of the field and squeezed himself in to the 1st down marker with like everyone after him. ive already got my JJ jersey, he is one of a kind, i feel…

    anyone else have his jersey?

    i mean he is AWESOME on primetime….

    150 on thanksgiving
    198 on monday night
    150 again on the last game of the year

    this kid is awesome, he looks like emmitt in a way appearance wise and he has that “IT” about him like emmitt did in his prime years.

    we have our emmitt, we have our novacek, we have out aikman(hopefully in henson, i still strongly feel good about him, but it seems to be just me) we have our deion….maybe in newman, we have our woodson in williams (i just love him too) and we will get our irvin in next years draft. and this year….LEETS GET OUR HALEY OR TOLBERT

    THIS TEAM IS READY TO COMPETE WITH ANY TEAM…BRING ’EM ON!!!!

    by Ryan on Apr 22, 2005 7:35 PM CDT reply actions  

    Let me just share this: I can’t WAIT for the draft. This blog has helped to make me a comlete draft junky. Thanks rafael!

    by Tedia Naidu on Apr 22, 2005 7:42 PM CDT reply actions  

    At 300+ lbs, Spears isn’t that speed guy the teams right below the Boys seem to be looking for. Whether its Ware, or the guy I like James, or even Merriman, I think we will get a hybrid edge rusher. There will be a rush on these “tweeners” following Dallas’ selection, and Spears could fall on their laps at 20. Dallas could be looking at Spears, but also Clayton, T.Davis, Pollack, or Barnes with the 20th pick, but if the Jets are offering they could be looking at filling a couple more holes with opportunities to select Mathis, M. Johnson, and Bullocks/Poole/Browner. Getting Mathis’ speed and Johnson’s ability to move people out of the way, Dallas’ offense would be a threat!

    by Eric on Apr 22, 2005 7:51 PM CDT reply actions  

    Predictions-

    11th- Erasmus James
    20th- Trade with the Jets, Dallas aquires the 38th and 57th in return
    38th- Marcus Johnson
    42nd- Jerome Mathis
    57th- Brandon Browner

    Dallas will draft T.A. McLendon and Diamond Ferri somewhere on day two. I am hoping that they give David Green a shot as well.

    by Eric on Apr 22, 2005 8:02 PM CDT reply actions  

    The Madness begins at 12:00noon eastern standard time. San Francisco, your on the clock………….

    Next to the superbowl, my favorite day.

    by Derrick on Apr 22, 2005 8:19 PM CDT reply actions  

    I like both those scenarios as long as all three of the players you mentioned on the first move is available.

    by Josh on Apr 22, 2005 9:08 PM CDT reply actions  

    If this take the trade.
    two possibilities

    11. lb Johnson
    38. fs Bullock
    42. Trade to NO for de Howard
    57. wr/st Roby
    you get 3 starters and a return man to compete at wr

    11. Spears
    38. Bullocks
    42. Tuck/Roth
    57. Roby
    this would get you prepared for the 3-4. Use tuck/roth as de/lb

    Use the rest of the picks on OL or 2, Rb, cb/st(Antonio Perkins),lb(tatupu convert to ss), and whatever else we need. not in that order.

    by LaMonte on Apr 22, 2005 9:37 PM CDT reply actions  

    I’d roll the dice and take both trade downs and do the following:

    14 — Spears (Carolina is the team most likely to take Spears, from what I’ve read)
    38 — Tuck
    42 — Terrence Murphy
    57 — Ciatrick Fason
    77 — Sean Considine

    You get two d-linemen, one a prototype for the 3-4, the other a rusher from the OLB position. They you fill the speed-WR, backup RB and FS spots. You might need to move up a little bit for Considine, I think, but not much.

    You get some of the smartest players in the draft. Tuck and Considine had some of the highest scores on the Wonderlick of any players. Plus, these are all hard working guys from big programs.

    by Rafael Vela on Apr 22, 2005 10:46 PM CDT reply actions  

    I agree we should let BP do his thing. He is a master at drafting the right player for the right moment. Jerry Jones stand quiet and let BP take our team to the superbowl by letting him make the right choices.

    by darrell w on Apr 22, 2005 10:50 PM CDT reply actions  

    Rafael,

    I like your picks. they go inline with the players that have visited the ranch and fill needs. the only one I’m iffy on is Considine. He seems like a parcells type of player smart overachiever but needs to work on his coverage skills.

    by LaMonte on Apr 22, 2005 11:35 PM CDT reply actions  

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