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Draft Timeline

10:50
ESPN's John Clayton is reporting that if QB Alex Smith and WR Braylon Edwards go off the board at picks 1 and 2, the Cleveland Browns could rattle the draft by taking either DE/OLB Demarcus Ware or fellow 'tweener David Pollack.

11:07
Clayton passes on the rumor that Washington is considering offers from the Rams (19) and Seahawks (22) to trade up. The Rams want Thomas Davis or one of the offensive tackles. The Seahawks apparently want a rusher.

11:12
Commissioner Paul Tagliabue finally winds the draft clock.

11:25
San Francisco selects QB Alex Smith.

11:40
No surprises. Miami stays at 2 and selects RB Ronnie Brown.

11:54
Offense, offense, offense. Cleveland takes WR Braylon Edwards.

12:09
Chicago spends fifteen minutes to declare the obvious. Cedric Benson is a Bear.

Some hints at the Cowboys' options are beginning to emerge. The running backs are going high, which limits Dallas' trade down options at 11. On the other hand, with Tampa and/or Arizona looking hard at running backs, the run on offense is continuing, which means more defensive options for the good team.

12:24
Cadillac Williams' living room has just erupted in glee at the news that he will be playing for Tampa Bay. The running backs are gone.

The next question is what happens to Arizona at 8? Its biggest need is CB after RB, so it's more likely the Cardinals take one of the Antrel Rolle, Carlos Rogers, Pac-Man Jones trio. But QB Aaron Rogers is still on the board. Can the Cards pass him up? We'll know in about half an hour.

12:36
Finally, a team that can make a decision in less than fifteen minutes. After some deliberation, the Titans end the run on offense by taking CB Pac-Man Jones of West Virginia.

12:48
Minnesota keeps the offensive vibe going by taking WR Troy Williamson at seven.

12:59
Arizona breaks Cowboys Blog regular Jon's heart by selecting Antrel Rolle. Aaron Rogers cannot be happy. He could slide a long way now that the Cards have passed on him.

1:13
The CBs are now gone. Washington empties the cupboard by selecting Carlos Rogers at pick 9.

1:18
Surprise, surprise, surprise! The Lions take only five minutes to pick WR Mike Williams of USC. This is the third consecutive year the Lions have taken a WR with the top pick. To be fair, Charles Rogers has missed almost his entire career with a broken collarbone, which may be chronic.

Dallas couldn't be happier. The defensive options are more numerous, with Derrick Johnson on the board. And they get their choice of pass rushers. The clock is on!

One more thought You know which team has tried unsucessfully the last two years to get a LB? And which now could trade up to get one? The Saints. And do I need to fill you in on the Cowboys-Saints backstory?

1:28
The Dallas Cowboys select OLB/DE Demarcus Ware of Troy with the 11th pick.

They must have really liked this guy. There was no hesitation. No signs that they were working the phones for a deal late into their time. They aimed and fired. And now the Cowboys have their speed rusher.

The other trend to note at this point: no trades. Not a one. Nobody has even come close to one, from what I've seen.

1:53
San Diego followed the Cowboys by quickly selecting Shawne Merriman.

This foils the plans of the Texans, who were hoping for one of the two speed rushers or that an offensive skills position player would fall to them. Charlie Casserley pulls off the first trade of the day by dropping to pick 16. New Orleans moves up and takes OT Jammal Brown. There had been rumors that with Alex Barron dropping, Brown's value has risen in kind. The Saints clearly feared Brown would go to Carolina at pick fourteen.

It's a little too early to get excited, but with Derrick Johnson and Thomas Davis still on the board, the odds are slightly better that the Cowboys might get lucky at pick 20.

2:05
Carolina picks Georgia S/OLB Thomas Davis. This would seemingly make the Chiefs pick easier. I would be surprised if Derrick Johnson is not headed to K.C.

2:20
Kansas City selects Derrick Johnson at pick fifteen.

2:34
The Texans take Florida St. DL Travis Johnson. This scuttles my mock draft, but with David Pollack, Erasmus James and Marcus Spears still on the board, I'm not complaining too much.

2:45
The Bengals select David Pollack at pick 17.

2:55
Minnesota selects DE Erasmus James at pick 18.

Will Bill and Jerry's excellent gamble pay off? The Rams are all that stand between Dallas and Marcus Spears.

3:00
The Rams jump up and take OT Alex Barron.

If the Cowboys don't take Spears at 20, I'll be awfully surprised.

3:09
The Dallas Cowboys select DE Marcus Spears of LSU.

According to ESPN's Ed Werder, the Cowboys had tried to trade up the past few picks to assure themselves of Spears, but stuck at 20 and got him anyway. The double-dip philosophy has paid off. They got the big D-lineman they wanted and the speed rusher they preferred.

3:15
The Jaguars make Rick Gosselin look like an ace by taking Arkansas WR Matt Jones.

3:33
Catching up on two picks. The Ravens get happy when WR Mark Clayton falls to pick 22. At 23, the Raiders trade up three spots to claim CB Fabian Washington from Nebraska.

3:40
I'm going to take a break and watch the Rockets/Mavericks tip off. I'll be back in time for the 2nd round pick.

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And there off!

This should be a fun draft with all the different boards for teams. Should be some jumping around.

by Don S. on Apr 23, 2005 11:29 AM CDT reply actions  

Again this is my first draft, what happens, or what are the consequences if a team fails to pick in the allotted time?

by Mike on Apr 23, 2005 11:36 AM CDT reply actions  

If a team fails to pick someone in the alloted time the next team is on the clock. Either team at that point could submit a pick and it would be valid.

The team passing essentially has all the time they want at that point to take a player. It’s just that teams below them continue to be allowed to pick in their “time slots”.

by Don S. on Apr 23, 2005 11:39 AM CDT reply actions  

Ahh, thats kind aneat. One other thing, say there is a trade, for instance say dallas gives the 11th to somebody and move down in the draft. Say they do this while they are on the clock with say 3 minutes left. DOes the team that gets the 11th pick get more time, or do they have to deal with the time left?

by Mike on Apr 23, 2005 11:44 AM CDT reply actions  

who do you all think this years bust will be? i know its mean to predict it…but is there any one guy who just looks so overrated that he MAY be a bust?

by Ryan on Apr 23, 2005 11:45 AM CDT reply actions  

A team trading with another team gets whatever time is left on the clock. The clock is not restarted. You’ll see teams that own the pick pick players and then trade them sometimes in those situations.

by Don S. on Apr 23, 2005 11:50 AM CDT reply actions  

Mike,

If a team trades into a spot, they get a full 15 minutes to pick. You would think that any team moving up would know what it wants, but it goes beyond selecting. A lot of these teams — Dallas being the worst — use the NASCAR philosophy that if a network gives you fifteen minutes, you should use it all to show off your mark. Really slows things down

by Rafael Vela on Apr 23, 2005 11:52 AM CDT reply actions  

mike, no if the trade is made for example with the cowboys at the 11 spot and their is only 1 minute left on the clock, the team that aquired the 11 pick has the 1 minute to pick a player, If the time runs out then the next team with the 12th pick can run up and submit the card with the player they want. It happened last year where three teams jumped over the vikings when they failed to submit their card in before their time ran out.If your time ran out , you can submit your card anytime after, but the next team could get the pick that you wanted.

by Derrick on Apr 23, 2005 11:54 AM CDT reply actions  

Anyone thinking that Antonio Bryant is a little peeved right now that he isn’t going to be the star receiver in Cleveland? He’s also about to run in to a coach that likely will run things like Parcells given his past.

by Don S. on Apr 23, 2005 11:58 AM CDT reply actions  

I can see another jersey being thrown at a head coach

by Derrick on Apr 23, 2005 12:01 PM CDT reply actions  

im not prejudice (cuz this aint for me anyways) or racist but has there ever been a great white RB? sorry my friend is just curious….please help him out…..

by jacob on Apr 23, 2005 12:19 PM CDT reply actions  

I think Dan Reeves was the last good one and that wasn’t yesterday

by Derrick on Apr 23, 2005 12:21 PM CDT reply actions  

is anyone else surpirsed rolle wasnt picked before jones???

by jacob on Apr 23, 2005 12:44 PM CDT reply actions  

Ryan, This year’s bust is……..Alex Smith and/or Cadillac Williams.
Cedirc Benson will be a huge upgrade in the bears offense.

Question…if both D. Jhonson and S. Merriman are available at 11th, who do you take?

by Manuel on Apr 23, 2005 12:46 PM CDT reply actions  

id say johnson, but its a hard one

by jacob on Apr 23, 2005 12:46 PM CDT reply actions  

Surprised? No. Think Rolle is the better player? Yes.

Don’t like the fact that the Redskins may get a chance to pick Mike Williams.

by Don S. on Apr 23, 2005 12:48 PM CDT reply actions  

same here. but the redskins still need alot, our D can handle it with a pass rush if we get a legit one.

by jacob on Apr 23, 2005 12:52 PM CDT reply actions  

yes but AZ may get him

by ryan on Apr 23, 2005 12:55 PM CDT reply actions  

Should Dallas pick Mike Williams if available? I know we are concentrating on Defense this year but Williams reminds some of a Michael Irvin. What do you think?

by Mike on Apr 23, 2005 1:02 PM CDT reply actions  

i think WAS will take carlos rogers, detroit will probably take johnson or merriman…..SHOULD WE ACTUALLY THINK ABOUT MIKE WILLIAMS? AND THEN de AT 20?? or no?

by ryan on Apr 23, 2005 1:04 PM CDT reply actions  

No, I dont think we should go offense. I dont see the Cowboys picking anything at 11th. With all thr defensive players still availbale Jerry will try as hard as he can to trade down.

by Manuel on Apr 23, 2005 1:04 PM CDT reply actions  

No on Mike Williams, Dallas has to go defense. Defense wins. Name another team outside of St. Louis that won with offense?

by Don S. on Apr 23, 2005 1:04 PM CDT reply actions  

lol…mike we think alike……i think we should

by ryan on Apr 23, 2005 1:04 PM CDT reply actions  

nevermind……defense is #1….offense in 2nd round

by ryan on Apr 23, 2005 1:05 PM CDT reply actions  

OK, what if Aaron Rodgers is there at #11? If Washington doesn’t go QB, Detroit definitely won’t. That leaves Rodgers at #11.

Does New Orleans (#16) need a QB? How about swap spots (11-for-16) and throw in Howard?

by Raul Villaronga on Apr 23, 2005 1:07 PM CDT reply actions  

Manuel, I’m with you. I have to believe Dallas is ready to start dropping that 11th pick. There’s a lot of D talent on the board. Only issue is… teams drafting in the next few spots will likely be looking hard at all that talent and the run will be on.

Needs to be a wise trade here. As Rafael said in an earlier post, you have ot make sure the trade is better than the player you have on your board, not just a value trade.

by Don S. on Apr 23, 2005 1:08 PM CDT reply actions  

Raul, no teasing.

by Don S. on Apr 23, 2005 1:09 PM CDT reply actions  

NO has aaron brooks

by ryan on Apr 23, 2005 1:11 PM CDT reply actions  

Don:

Hey! It could happen. Washington was rumored to trade for the #25 pick so they could get a QB (Campbell?). If they don’t go Rodgers, Detroit goes defense and (gasp) both Aaron Rodgers and Mike Williams are on the board!!!

LET THE PHONE BEGIN TO RING!!!

by Raul Villaronga on Apr 23, 2005 1:12 PM CDT reply actions  

Ryan:

Fair enough. He’s, what, 7-8 years in the league?

by Raul Villaronga on Apr 23, 2005 1:13 PM CDT reply actions  

yeah true raul. who knows, the fun is just starting.

I WAS RIGHT…WAS TOOK ROGERS, IM GLAD THEY DIDNT TAKE WILLIAMS….THATS A GOOD THING

by ryan on Apr 23, 2005 1:16 PM CDT reply actions  

I know.. I know.. Doomsday Defense has got to come back to D..

but with Rogers and Williams on the board… they shouldnt trade this

pick.. Im sick of Jones trading down with great guys on the board..

pick.. Im sick of Jones trading down with great guys on the board..he better pick Johnson then…or Merriman

by Mike on Apr 23, 2005 1:16 PM CDT reply actions  

This 11th pick is picking up in “value” like crazy……I can see Jerry licking his chops.

by Manuel on Apr 23, 2005 1:17 PM CDT reply actions  

I’m sure Jerry is salivating.. like a friggin rabid dog

damn !!!! holy moly!!! Mike Williams going to Detroit!!!

PICK D. JOHNSON JERRY!! Parcells hopefully will keep Jones in check..

by Mike on Apr 23, 2005 1:22 PM CDT reply actions  

With all those players that Dallas could chose from they have to trade down. The Saints swap would be perfect if they went for it.

by Don S. on Apr 23, 2005 1:23 PM CDT reply actions  

Please Johnson…….Jerry….get out of the room, let the tuna do his stuff….

by Manuel on Apr 23, 2005 1:23 PM CDT reply actions  

d johnson on my team now!!

i cannot believe theyd get mike, i mean they have roy and rogers and now mike! but hey they must love offense over defense, thats their choice, it just leaves us better options!!!! my heart is pumping!!!

by ryan on Apr 23, 2005 1:24 PM CDT reply actions  

Man, Did you see that look Bill gave Jerry, this pick should be good.

by John on Apr 23, 2005 1:26 PM CDT reply actions  

they just showed jones and the tuna laughing… not on the phones.. less than 9 minutes remaining..

by Mike on Apr 23, 2005 1:27 PM CDT reply actions  

any wagers fellas? D Johnsons my pick..no trade until the 20th

by Mike on Apr 23, 2005 1:27 PM CDT reply actions  

This is the grade given to Detroit on sportsline.com for their pick: D
        “What in the heck is this team doing? Unless this team has a deal worked out for Williams with another team, why would they draft him? This is a luxury. Not a need. They have Charles Rogers. They have Roy Williams. Both were high first-round picks. And although there is some injury concerns with those two, no team can afford three high first-round picks at one position. This is a terrible move, no matter what kind of player Williams can be”

by Manuel on Apr 23, 2005 1:30 PM CDT reply actions  

Man, I hope they what the hell they’re doing…..I have no idea who this guy is….

by Manuel on Apr 23, 2005 1:32 PM CDT reply actions  

Ware.. staying the 4/3

by Mike on Apr 23, 2005 1:32 PM CDT reply actions  

is ware really better than merriman?

anyone???

ive heard hes not, so why go with him over merriman….any ideas? help me out

by ryan on Apr 23, 2005 1:34 PM CDT reply actions  

is Ware a tweener?

by Mike on Apr 23, 2005 1:34 PM CDT reply actions  

Yes Ware is a tweener, I think we need to pick differant names, since there are 2 Mikes on the board.

by Mike on Apr 23, 2005 1:39 PM CDT reply actions  

is ware really better than merriman?

by ryan on Apr 23, 2005 1:41 PM CDT reply actions  

Ware will be the pure Defensive end on the cowboys that weve been looking for.

by Derrick on Apr 23, 2005 1:41 PM CDT reply actions  

what are bthe chances of merriman or johnson being available at #20?…can we still use one of those guys?

by Manuel on Apr 23, 2005 1:41 PM CDT reply actions  

Ware is listed at 6-4, 251. I think this is a prototypical Parcells pick. Merriman is around 272, but remember that Willie McGinest came out of USC at about the same size as Ware. He’s moved up to around 270.

by Raul Villaronga on Apr 23, 2005 1:41 PM CDT reply actions  

im surprised at our choice, but also happy because I KNOW BP is smart and knows what hes doing

but is he better than shawne meriman

by ryan on Apr 23, 2005 1:42 PM CDT reply actions  

Whats says picking ware makes us sitck to the 4-3. We could play him at OLB, and hope to get Marcus Spears at 20.

by Mike on Apr 23, 2005 1:43 PM CDT reply actions  

Ok .. Ware is a tweener.. now the 20th..Spears looks like a good canidate.. or trading down.. they still have so many needs.. lb, fs, wr, rb

by Mike on Apr 23, 2005 1:43 PM CDT reply actions  

Ware is a great fit and I think this means either DJ, Merriman or Spears will be there at 20. The Lions pick is a joke. A 6-10 team with no QB shouldn’t stack up at WR. Horrible pick.

by Lou on Apr 23, 2005 1:44 PM CDT reply actions  

merriman gone, derrick johnson is still there, but i know hell be gone by 20, so i think we may try spears and if hes gone then maybe POOLE? and ideas

by ryan on Apr 23, 2005 1:45 PM CDT reply actions  

or blackstock? havent heard much of him but is he a derrick johnson type of LB?

by ryan on Apr 23, 2005 1:46 PM CDT reply actions  

I am going to all caps with my name, since it looks like I am talking to myself

by MIKE on Apr 23, 2005 1:46 PM CDT reply actions  

yo Mike ..ok.. changed the name

by MikeA on Apr 23, 2005 1:48 PM CDT reply actions  

heres an idea…is the howard deal over then? or do you think he will move ware to LB and pick up a FS with 20 and hten howard with 42?

by ryan on Apr 23, 2005 1:48 PM CDT reply actions  

cut the attitude

by MikeA on Apr 23, 2005 1:48 PM CDT reply actions  

In regards to Mike Williams………Rogers is hurt all the time…….and might be a bust. I heard they think his collar bone may never completely heal.

If that is the case, Rogers was the bad pick and not Williams. Mike Williams and Roy Williams………who is going to cover those two. I thought Roy Williams the WR would be a better NFL than college guy and still think that……..he is the reason Chris Simms is in the NFL at all. I am not in the camp that says this is a terrible pick. They also signed a guy named Garcia who tossed a few TDs to TO. Besides who cares it is the Lions……..after all.

Ware……I really do not know enough about this guy, but Hope Bill does.

3 RBs and 3 CBs by the 9th pick……….amazing.

Well Bill had his choice at DE / LB and got his Man Ware…….so in Parcells we will have to trust.

Did anybody else hear Torry Holt say Mark Clayton is the best reciever in the draft. He ain’t been picked yet. Maybe he is there at 20 and then tuck or a CB at 42………

by Jon on Apr 23, 2005 1:51 PM CDT reply actions  

saints dealt there 3rd round pick so that proposed trade is over

by Lou on Apr 23, 2005 1:54 PM CDT reply actions  

i heard holt say that…i was surprised but he knows WR’s the best so i believe him

by ryan on Apr 23, 2005 1:55 PM CDT reply actions  

can anyone tell me where the cheerleaders are? I got something I want to share with them.

Oops sorry wrong chat room.

by Ron Mexico on Apr 23, 2005 1:59 PM CDT reply actions  

Demarcus Ware

Pros: Great pass rusher, has been very productive at Troy State. Doesn’t have track speed, but has the quickness to make plays.
Cons: Converted DE, still needs to refine his LB skills, especially in pass coverage. Also played against weaker opponents, will need time to adjust to NFL.

by MikeA on Apr 23, 2005 1:59 PM CDT reply actions  

Clayton was the best route runner and most polished reciever in college…….i guess perhaps his height his hurting him a bit but hey…….Marvin Harrison and a bunch of other guys including Jerry Rice prove that discipline route running is how you become a great reciever not speed or size……..

by Jon on Apr 23, 2005 2:00 PM CDT reply actions  

jon youre right but we NEED size and speed right now a little more than route running, that can come later i feel

by ryan on Apr 23, 2005 2:01 PM CDT reply actions  

Vic Carucci live analysis on NFL.com says of the 11th pick: “The Cowboys wanted and needed a pass-rushing force, and Ware provides that skill in a big way. His stock has been shooting up in recent weeks. Bill Parcells loves Ware’s hustle and the fact that, in addition to having excellent speed, he also offers plenty of power. He is the versatile end/outside linebacker that can play a major role in a scheme that will mix 4-3 and 3-4 fronts.”

In his early analysis of â€Å"power & explosion” on NFL.com, Pat Kerwan gives Merriman and Ware an equal grade in of â€Å"75” where the goal score of 70 is â€Å"tough to get”. It is based on combine results in vertical leap, broad jump and bench press. Also present are: DT Luis Castillo 77, LB Derek Ware 75, LB Darryl Blackstock 74, DE/LBs Pollack & Tuck 72, CB Bryant McFadden 72 and CB Fabian Washington 70. See http://wap.nfl.com/draft/story/8322692.

by StarStruck on Apr 23, 2005 2:01 PM CDT reply actions  

is poole better than davis??

by ryan on Apr 23, 2005 2:02 PM CDT reply actions  

this is amazing…davis goes before derrick johnson! damn

by ryan on Apr 23, 2005 2:07 PM CDT reply actions  

Every kick-ass defensive player still available at 11th! EVEN D. Johnson!! (Thought he’d be LONG gone by then.) And we go with Ware?

i don’t know, guys.

I guess Houston/UT fans are going crazy that THEY might get D.Johnson.

Must be nice…

So it’s Ware for the Cowboys. Undersized? Not really fast? Are they gonna convert him to LB? Would he have been better than Johnson?

I’m really trying to hide my disappointment here. Not a great pick. Not horrible, but not great.

I hope Bill knows what he’s going.

by rich on Apr 23, 2005 2:10 PM CDT reply actions  

poole is a free safety

by Derrick on Apr 23, 2005 2:12 PM CDT reply actions  

If cheifs take spears, johnson and erasmus james should be gone at 20. I think we take Mark Clayton who I love to step in and be an impact player, then at 42 we can look at FS or DE

by Lou on Apr 23, 2005 2:16 PM CDT reply actions  

im kinda with rich since i dont know much of ware.

someone help us out and give us some good and positive stuff to hear about ware….

by ryan on Apr 23, 2005 2:19 PM CDT reply actions  

Rich,

Ware is not that fast? The guy ran a 4.51 at the combine at 251 lbs. This guy could smoke Mike Williams in a foot race. And a lot of other RBs, WRs and QBs.

by Rafael Vela on Apr 23, 2005 2:20 PM CDT reply actions  

Now that the Cheifs took Johnson, and James expected to go 18, would you rather take Spears at 20 and have play DE and Ware LB, or take Mark Clayton with the 20th and wait to see if Tuck falls to 42?

by Lou on Apr 23, 2005 2:23 PM CDT reply actions  

thanks rafael for the info now i am more confident about ware…wahoo!

by ryan on Apr 23, 2005 2:31 PM CDT reply actions  

i would take spears at 20….this would be a dream come true to have a guy liek him….but im sure bill or jerry will wanna trade down…they want that 3rd rounder

by ryan on Apr 23, 2005 2:32 PM CDT reply actions  

Speaking of wahoos…

I posted this (too) early this morning on “Jerry Jones the Smoke Screen” on this blog:

Darryl Blackstock broke Lawrence Taylorâ€â"¢s ACC career sack record for a linebacker as a junior this past season and I would imagine that he pinged loudly on Parcellsâ€â"¢ radar screen in doing so. Where that radar correlates on the Cowboys draft board remains to be seen however. Personally, as a UVA fan, I want nothing more than to find Darryl Blackstock earning his star in this yearâ€â"¢s training camp. Check out this excerpt from an NFL.com article by Alan Hancock:

â€Å"Blackstock Set to Re-revolutionize Linebacking

So where is the next Derrick Thomas? The next Lawrence Taylor?

That role might fall to Darryl Blackstock, an outside linebacker from the University of Virginia. Blackstock, an early entrant into the draft, started all but one game (38 of 39) during his three-year career for the Cavaliers and finished with 27 career sacks, the second-highest total in school history (behind Chris Slade, another ping). His 11 sacks in 2004 were the most in the nation by a linebacker and earned him second-team All-ACC honors.”

by StarStruck on Apr 23, 2005 2:36 PM CDT reply actions  

so at 20…do we trade down, go with blackstock, or SPEARS? this is overwhelming

by ryan on Apr 23, 2005 2:42 PM CDT reply actions  

Whoops,

Ware ran a 4.61, not 4.51. Still, he’s Jimmy Johnson fast.

by Rafael Vela on Apr 23, 2005 2:45 PM CDT reply actions  

rafael,

so at 20…do we trade down, go with blackstock, or SPEARS? this is overwhelming

by ryan on Apr 23, 2005 2:46 PM CDT reply actions  

R. Vela,

Ware had a 4.51 at the combine? huh. well, that’s good news. the things i’ve heard about Ware are unpolished, undersized, good TOP-speed, good prospect.

“prospect.” kind of what you’d expect to hear about a late 1st or early second pick. a room-to-grow, “has upside” type of player. IF this is true, is this the type of player Dallas needed this early in the draft with all our needs?

With Merriman, you hear stuff like: most ready to be a starter, possible rookie of the year-type of stuff.

However, Ware’s stock really did sky-rocket as of late- more than any other player, i believe. But to be taken FIRST? before Spears, Johnson, Merriman, James? Really?? Did any of YOU guys have Ware at the top of your draft boards? Bet ya didn’t…

I’m not trying to be negative, guys, but I, like most of ya’ll, have been following this draft for a while. I didn’t hear much about Ware before.

Maybe pick #20 will put a smile on my face. (Pollack just got snatched up!)

by rich on Apr 23, 2005 2:49 PM CDT reply actions  

R. Vela,

AHH!! Man! Ware ran a 4.6! Not a 4.51. Man, you got my hopes up and everything…

Oh, well.

He still might be THE GUY we needed. (Hope is a good thing.)

C’mon #20!!!

by rich on Apr 23, 2005 2:54 PM CDT reply actions  

rich your right i agree, but i think BP knows his stuff, let him do this for us, trust in BILL

by ryan on Apr 23, 2005 2:54 PM CDT reply actions  

will the rams even consider spears? have they mentioned him or what positions are they looking towards….I WANT SPEARS!!!!

by ryan on Apr 23, 2005 3:00 PM CDT reply actions  

spears, spears, spears. PLEASE!!!!!!!

by Fred on Apr 23, 2005 3:01 PM CDT reply actions  

we have him!!! as long as bill still wants him…i want spears!! barron is gone…now our pick!! wahoo!!!!

by ryan on Apr 23, 2005 3:03 PM CDT reply actions  

Spears is still there at 20. I don’t know how that happend but they better take him and not trade down.

by John on Apr 23, 2005 3:03 PM CDT reply actions  

i think our gamble has payed off rafael

by ryan on Apr 23, 2005 3:03 PM CDT reply actions  

Please do not trade down.

by Fred on Apr 23, 2005 3:04 PM CDT reply actions  

I guess Rodgers is going to Green Bay!

by Fred on Apr 23, 2005 3:05 PM CDT reply actions  

I’m cool with Ware at #11. I’m happy that we got the guy we wanted. Didn’t leave it up to chance. Of course, i hope we’re right, but that’s always the case. Now Spears is the consensus on the blog. I with ya’ll!

by Tedia Naidu on Apr 23, 2005 3:06 PM CDT reply actions  

What about Clayton?

Are we gonna SCORE any points this year?

If we trade down a few spots, will Spears still be there? He MIGHT.

by rich on Apr 23, 2005 3:08 PM CDT reply actions  

But I’d be cool with a trade as long as we don’t fall down too much. Perhaps we’re selling Aaron Rodgers? If we drop to the late 1st and get a late 2nd or early third? Or maybe we’re considering Rodgers? It feels unthinkable, but… nah. that’s crazy talk. we’re going with Spears.

by Tedia Naidu on Apr 23, 2005 3:08 PM CDT reply actions  

Dont we need a FS like crazy? …..Isnt Spearsanother DE? I dont understand

by Manuel on Apr 23, 2005 3:09 PM CDT reply actions  

Pass on Clayton. There are good WRs to be had later. If we really want a WR, I’d go for a trade. If we want defense, I’d go Spears.

by Tedia Naidu on Apr 23, 2005 3:09 PM CDT reply actions  

Ed Werder just said that they are taking spears!!!

by John on Apr 23, 2005 3:10 PM CDT reply actions  

Go Ed Werner! No trade and apparently… success! We’re going with Spears in 1 minute.

by Tedia Naidu on Apr 23, 2005 3:10 PM CDT reply actions  

ed werder just said we will pick spears and that this is the first time in dallas history that well go to a 3-4

by ryan on Apr 23, 2005 3:11 PM CDT reply actions  

So it’s 3-4 for Dallas??

WOW. didn;t think it would happen. What happens to Glover now?

We’re gonna get Spears?

by rich on Apr 23, 2005 3:11 PM CDT reply actions  

3-4 here we come

by MIKE on Apr 23, 2005 3:11 PM CDT reply actions  

YESSSSSSSSSS

by Fred on Apr 23, 2005 3:11 PM CDT reply actions  

Spears it …I guess this is good but im worried about FS

by Manuel on Apr 23, 2005 3:11 PM CDT reply actions  

I can’t believe the ‘boys did as expected. nice. don’t worry about Mark Clayton. We’ll find someone else later in the draft.

by Tedia Naidu on Apr 23, 2005 3:12 PM CDT reply actions  

IRich, I think we have more to worry about what will happen with Ellis rather then Glover. I suppose we could trade one, but since they are both a but undersized, we could keep them both and let them rotate at the weak side end position.

I really like them both, but I also could see trading them for some other people we need, if the deals where good enough, although I don’t know that we could get what we want.

by MIKE on Apr 23, 2005 3:14 PM CDT reply actions  

OK OKAY OKAYYY!!!

I understand now. 3-4. Ware as linebacker. (again… WOW.) I really didn’t think we’d EVER have a 3-4 in Dallas.

This IS Bill’s team!!

I STILL worry about GLOVER. Can we still use him, or do we trade him for a bad-ass veteran WR?

by rich on Apr 23, 2005 3:16 PM CDT reply actions  

Trade Glover or Ellis? We need multiple top players ont he D-line. We’ll play 4-3 and 3-4. No way we trade anyone who is under contract on the D-line.

Let’s get back to reality. Now we need to find a serviceable tackle and good enough safety and we only have one pick in the 2nd round. That’s going to be mighty tough. And a WR would be nice too. What to do?

by Tedia Naidu on Apr 23, 2005 3:18 PM CDT reply actions  

I for one am VERY excited about this draft. I thought for sure Dallas would get too cute and try to trade down so they could screw this thing up, but I feel like they did the right thing with what they did.

WOW, Jacksonville just drafted Matt Jones!

by Rob2 on Apr 23, 2005 3:18 PM CDT reply actions  

Can Ellis and/or Glover play SLB?

by Steve on Apr 23, 2005 3:20 PM CDT reply actions  

Matt Jones at 21? That’s crazy. No way I’d take him that early. Potential and speed are nice, but taking him ahead of Mark Clayton? Thoughts?

by Tedia Naidu on Apr 23, 2005 3:20 PM CDT reply actions  

I don’t think so. Ellis might be fast enough. but I don’t think Glover can do it.

by Rob2 on Apr 23, 2005 3:21 PM CDT reply actions  

Wow Matt Jones at 21, andyways, yes rich Ware will play LB. Glover I think can play DE. I am pretty sure he has had some expereince there before. Like I said, with him and ellis, they are both undersized for the poisition and will wear down with the constant double teams. But if we keep em both and rotate them for breathers through out the game, it could work. Plus they can still play some 4-3 if we throw that in on occasion.

But as i also sai, I wouldn’t be adverse to seeing them off, for a more 3-4ish DE and a LB.

by MIKE on Apr 23, 2005 3:21 PM CDT reply actions  

I agree. Clayton should have gone before Jones, but everybody seems really high on this guy.

by Rob2 on Apr 23, 2005 3:22 PM CDT reply actions  

great pick.. Matt Jones is the real deal.. he will be seen over and over for years to come.. a true football player.. will need a year or two to really develop as a true wideout or TE.

by MikeA on Apr 23, 2005 3:23 PM CDT reply actions  

Glover can play 3-4 DT……..he is one of the strongest men in the NFL………

also 4-3 is still going to be used…………Ware would be a speed rusher with Haley or Freeney type of size……….Spears a DE in 4-3 or 3-4 or a DT……..remember the Big Cat Leon he played all over our D Line……..keep the O line guessing

Wade Phillips says it best…………the difference is one has 4 lineman and 3 linebackers……..the other has 3 lineman and 4 linebackers……..the OLBs are more of fast rush in the 3-4……..where they would be a smaller DE in the 4-3…….

I guess Ware and Spears should give us flexibility with Ferguson, Glover, Ellis………

Ok Bill now go get me one of those CBs left………Marlin Jackson maybe………..

by Jon on Apr 23, 2005 3:23 PM CDT reply actions  

Matt Jones to Jaguars! Thank God Philly didn’t get him!! Can you imagine Owens AND Jones lining up against us twice (or maybe 3 times) a year?

That was close.

(3-4. It’s truly a new day in Big D.) I’m PUMPED!!

NOW can we get a damn receiver? safety?

… I need a drink.

by rich on Apr 23, 2005 3:24 PM CDT reply actions  

If we could get Jackson, we would have a great draft. I wouldn’t mind seeing Poole here either, but I don’t think he’s going to be there at 42. We’d have to trade up, somehow.

by Rob2 on Apr 23, 2005 3:25 PM CDT reply actions  

i meant to say D Line……..Glover probably a down lineman in the 3-4

There is no need to get rid of any of the good defensive guys we have……….

by Jon on Apr 23, 2005 3:25 PM CDT reply actions  

God no! If Philly had gotten him, we could just about forget it. I’ve got faith in the boys, but that would make it really tough on us. Who would cover him?

by Rob2 on Apr 23, 2005 3:26 PM CDT reply actions  

Mark Clayton is off the board now. He’s a Raven.

by Rob2 on Apr 23, 2005 3:27 PM CDT reply actions  

Great picks so far…but like Tedia said we still require a FS & T…only a 2nd (42) pick left today…what do you think of trading a pick from next year for a second or third to get Pool or Bullucks if they are still around?

by Thomas on Apr 23, 2005 3:29 PM CDT reply actions  

The Boys will not completely switch to th 3-4 this year. Glover and Ellis will still fit in for one more year. The new guys will get a chance to learn from two savey veterns this year and will not have the pressure on them completly till the following year.

Good first round!!!

by Randy on Apr 23, 2005 3:30 PM CDT reply actions  

Did you guys SEE Clayton’s highlights just now??

Damn. The Ravens are gonna be IMPOSSIBLE to beat on next years Madden!!

by rich on Apr 23, 2005 3:31 PM CDT reply actions  

I guess the Saints are going to have to find a new dance partner for the Darren Howard trade. Thomas, I think maybe Bullocks might be there for us, but not Poole. I hope I’m wrong about that.

by Rob2 on Apr 23, 2005 3:33 PM CDT reply actions  

BTW…I am guessing that puts an end to the Howard deal…I think we couldn’t be happier…we saved a ton of cap space by not doing that deal…we also got younger on D

I would trade a DT …..if anyone wants Blade…ha ha

by Thomas on Apr 23, 2005 3:33 PM CDT reply actions  

Thomas – I’d prefer to not see us morgaging our future drafts. That gets a little scary.

I think we’ll have to find the right player at 42 and then find some falling diamonds in the rough. Perhaps players who are a little slower than perfect or shorter or with disciplinary issues…. if that’s what rounds 4-7 gives us, I’d have to take it. Perhaps we can jump up 10-20 spots into the third by trading our 4th, 5th? We have 2 compensatory picks in the 6th (which we can’t trade)

by Tedia Naidu on Apr 23, 2005 3:37 PM CDT reply actions  

packers will take Aaron Rodgers. no way they pass up on him, on the value…

by the way, I’m digging Holt as an analyst. He was right about Troy Williamson vs. Mike Williams for Minnesotta. At least Tice and he were aligned. So much for Kiper.

by Tedia Naidu on Apr 23, 2005 3:42 PM CDT reply actions  

i am ecstatic…..the 3-4 aint permanent like every game guys!!!! we will be switching on and off like the other teams do, our front seven is scary right now and will be GREAT next year….i just KNOW IT!!!!! i would say we still need anotehr LB, RB, WR, FS, and OT.

i say go with FS at 42….

then OT through FA or 4th round….DO NOT TRADE FUTURE PICKS thats not a good idea for us right now…we are getting back to our feet and we cant fall behind again….

so sho feels FS at 42? or WR at 42? or Lb at 42? rafael

by ryan on Apr 23, 2005 3:44 PM CDT reply actions  

I just looked back at Dr. Z’s mock draft and he had both of Dallas picks correct. I’m impressed.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/writers/dr_z/04/21/mock.draft.expanded.part1/index.html

by Don S. on Apr 23, 2005 3:53 PM CDT reply actions  

totally with you Ryan. keep our future picks. Find a fast, cover-ready, rangey FS if he slips to us at 42. I don’t think its Pool. He was being talked about in the teens and 20s. He won’t be there at 42. I’d love to see it, but let’s keep it real.

by the way guys, we have to be pysched about the trade JJ didn’t make. he was looking to trade up to get Spears. That would have been fatal for us. We don’t have picks to give. I’m ecstatic about the new JJ. His draft is making too much sense.

thoughts?

by Tedia Naidu on Apr 23, 2005 3:56 PM CDT reply actions  

Try this one. Carucci and Kirwan were also right. http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/8400391

by Fred on Apr 23, 2005 3:56 PM CDT reply actions  

im still hoping for a fs with the 42nd overall they got the players they wanted without having to trade so all good so far…

by mike on Apr 23, 2005 3:57 PM CDT reply actions  

but do you guys think BP feels an OT is more important than a FS at 42??

by ryan on Apr 23, 2005 3:59 PM CDT reply actions  

Fred – According to that link only Kirwan had it right but I’m still impressed. I didn’t think there would be any chance Spears would be around at 20.

by Don S. on Apr 23, 2005 4:00 PM CDT reply actions  

Youre right. Carruci and Kirwan were right about Ware. Only Kirwan about both picks.

by Fred on Apr 23, 2005 4:04 PM CDT reply actions  

spagnola thinks we’ll go FS or WR at 42….is there better chances of FS or WR???

i mean what it really comes down to is will there be better WR’s or better FS’s in the fourth round? anyone?

oh and does anyone think we still need another LB???

by ryan on Apr 23, 2005 4:05 PM CDT reply actions  

I dont know if Henry is enough to upgrade the 2dary. Last year w/o Woodson was just horrible….pathetic. The only way I think we should not take FS next, is that we are trusting the new front seven to get to QB’s very very quick. I dont think our offensive line is bad with Adamas, Allen, Johnson and now Rivera….that should be good enough…….safety is a mess.

by Manuel on Apr 23, 2005 4:10 PM CDT reply actions  

I have to admit that I’m totally confused about the Redskins. They’ve now replaced a decent corner from last year (Rogers over Smoot) they’ve now added a QB to replace a young QB (Ramsey).

They appear to have done nothing to improve from last year. What are they doing?

And with all the craziness going on with the various players… this team is about to become NFC East trail mix.

by Don S. on Apr 23, 2005 4:10 PM CDT reply actions  

Don, We’ll be happy to humilliate them again and again….hope they keep choking…..

by Manuel on Apr 23, 2005 4:13 PM CDT reply actions  

stick with defense i guess and get pool if available or bullocks

by mike on Apr 23, 2005 4:17 PM CDT reply actions  

i would also say to go with FS at 42. WR is decent for now. plus JJ in the backfield, Wittens superpowers, campbell back and ready to go, and copper/crayton. i think were FINE there. OT can be found thru FA or 4th round or 5th. FS is a MUST

does anyone think we still need another LB????

by ryan on Apr 23, 2005 4:17 PM CDT reply actions  

unless broddy white is still there

by mike on Apr 23, 2005 4:18 PM CDT reply actions  

no for the lb wait till the 5th or 6th round get a solid fs or if broddy falls then get ot at 4th round

by mike on Apr 23, 2005 4:19 PM CDT reply actions  

they could also get the safety from iowa i dont remember his name

by mike on Apr 23, 2005 4:25 PM CDT reply actions  

I read reports saying we’re getting Clarett on round 6th, should we?

by Manuel on Apr 23, 2005 4:31 PM CDT reply actions  

manuel, no hes not gonna wanna be a backup to JJ

i say get sproles

by ryan on Apr 23, 2005 4:35 PM CDT reply actions  

i say IND gets poole

by ryan on Apr 23, 2005 4:43 PM CDT reply actions  

marlin jackson close enough lol

by ryan on Apr 23, 2005 4:44 PM CDT reply actions  

clarett might be a good spell to the defense with julius more of speed make you miss back and clarett being a bigger back might be a good pickup. this guy is young not alot of wear and tear on him, might be a HUGE steal in the 6th. alot of stories on bill contacting his agent so itd deffinetly a possibility

by mike on Apr 23, 2005 4:45 PM CDT reply actions  

I say either get Pool to be the Cowboys’ FS, or Terrence Murphy to be their deep threat.

by Zach on Apr 23, 2005 4:47 PM CDT reply actions  

are there any teams before us in the 2nd round that look like they desperately NEED a FS? if not i would say poole is ours…someone help me out cuz i dont know what these otehr teams need

by ryan on Apr 23, 2005 4:54 PM CDT reply actions  

clarett…….not a lot of wear and tear yet he was injured his whole freshman year……..although still productive……..

i say Clarett is an FA and does not deserve a draft pick…..he has a lot to prove to the nfl

by Jon on Apr 23, 2005 4:55 PM CDT reply actions  

most teams addressed there main pick im sure there are teams that would lik epoole but you never know i hope he falls to us as well

by mike on Apr 23, 2005 4:55 PM CDT reply actions  

Does anybody knows what is going on with D. Cody? Everyone listed him a s a first rounder? Rafael? Don S?

by Fred on Apr 23, 2005 4:56 PM CDT reply actions  

i like your thinking Zach, those two guys are my picks for hte 42…poole being more important though cuz FS is a need over WR right now

by ryan on Apr 23, 2005 4:56 PM CDT reply actions  

for being injured he was damn good everyone is hurt its calle dplaying with pain all players do it, and he did it. when i say wear and tear he didnt have 3-4 surgeries or anything major yet

by mike on Apr 23, 2005 4:57 PM CDT reply actions  

but bullocks is still good too right? is he as good as poole? is he even a FS?

by ryan on Apr 23, 2005 4:58 PM CDT reply actions  

i think poole is the better coverage man which is what they need.

by mike on Apr 23, 2005 5:04 PM CDT reply actions  

are there any teams before us in the 2nd round that look like they desperately NEED a FS? if not i would say poole is ours…someone help me out cuz i dont know what these otehr teams need

by ryan on Apr 23, 2005 5:07 PM CDT reply actions  

Gentlemen, and any ladies lurking:

I’m going to start a second round thread in the next couple of minutes. This one is getting long. Let’s migrate the conversation there.

by Rafael Vela on Apr 23, 2005 5:10 PM CDT reply actions  

poole went to the browns

by mike on Apr 23, 2005 5:20 PM CDT reply actions  

hello all you cowboy fans out there……
I am new at this, but i assure you one of the greatest cowboy fans around.
go on, ask me, ill name practically every player they ever had since 1968, and some.
What a day to be a cowboys fan, i am so excited about our picks.
I want a dynasty for the next ten years.

by hjk on Apr 23, 2005 5:55 PM CDT reply actions  

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