Value in the Sweetspot

I like Fason and Considine which dallas brought in for a look and are a definite need but with Hawthorne sitting there, I might think twice, I know that he failed the drug test at the combine for Marijuana but this guy can dominate inside and with Ellis and Glover getting a little long in the tooth, I might take him, he is a big time value in the fourth round.

imho, the boys need (in decending priority) starting caliber FS, capable 3rd down scat back with soft hands, a power runner to spell J Jones, an interesting OT prospect, an interesting WR prospect. No way we come out of this draft with all that. Frankly, is we get one more of these, I’d feel the 2nd day performance acceptable.

So, how about trading down? Other teams are lining up their scenarios to grab their favorite players. Maybe there’s someone out there who can’t handle the wait and will give up 2 4s (who has two 4s?) for the Cowboy’s 109 pick? Or maybe 4 and 5?

Otherwise, as much as Hawthorne may be good value, I’d target Sproles, Fason, Mathis. Though I’d love for us to pick a safety that would wow us, but I think we’ll do better with a veteran FS rather than hoping a 2nd day pick will surprise us.

rafael – you added guard and DT to the list above and no OT.

The ‘boys seem loaded at OG now with Rivera and Peterman returning. I also think that Tucker, if he fails to grow at OT, should be a capable OG. And a strong NT is certainly nice, but with Glover, Ferguson, Carson and Spears (who can move inside on 3rd down), I don’t see that as a need for us.

Do you see the ’boys priorizing these positions on Sunday? Was something said to suggest that?

thanks! You are da’man!

Two thums up for Bill, Jones and the coaching staff, Ware, Spears and Burnett make last years weak spot a strenght with the FA addition of Ferguson. Now I can see Dallas playing even a 2-5 (see NE, Super Bowl) if that’s what they need to do to win.

In the fourth round I’m licking my chops, we still have needs at FS, OT, FB, DT, RB and WR, in my opinion, in that order.

At FS there’re still Considine and Shazor (more of a SS). There’s also that 6-4 corner, Browner.

OT: Ray Willis and David Stewart are tops in my radar, both intelligent and mean kind of players, both characteristics of Parcells kind of lineman.

FB: All the prospects on board.

DT: Apart of those named by Rafael, I also like C. J. Mosley, he looks a lot like a younger Ferguson, same height and good character kind of fellow.

RB: I like Brandon Jacobs and Fason, both being bigger kind of backs which sould provide the change of pace the Cowboys need.

WR: Those named by Rafael sum all I could say.

Each and every one of this guys, if selected, would make for a darn good fourth round, at least, in my mind.

Tedia,

I looked at the OT list, but it seemed pretty thin. I was also considering the CB position but it is — by far — the most picked over position after day one. I thing there were at least twice as many CBs as any other position selected on Saturday.

just read an article on cowboys site and spagnola put in focus for me this draft was a HUGE success. i dont know if im more excited about this season or having my first-born all i know is this defense is gonna be back and we mdont have to score 25-30 pts a game to win anymore, and i dont think we will blow leads like the seahawks game of last year. as far as the other positions are concerned there are some good safeties left we resigned hunter (maybe hes gonna think twice about hes complaining) and hopefully we can pick up a good ot, wr, rb in the coming rounds. then we might be able to compete with the eagles for the nfc east

Based on what you have listed I would pick

4th – Donte Nicholson – was thinking Barber but this guy could start
5th – Cedric Houston – powerback
6th – Scott Young – only lacks knwoledge
6th – Airese Currie – special teams with xtra speed
7th – ? DE for 3-4

I think we stand a good chance of getting 3 out of 5

We’re definitely not taking Sproles. We already have Reshard Lee, and he was a great return man for us last year. Dantzler can return also.

We’re definitely not taking Hawthorne. Marijuana problems fall into the category of “Thugs and hoodlems,” that BP said he was “too old” for in his press conference.

I like the sounds of Sean Considine simply because he sounds like someone who can play back in coverage so that Roy can move up close to the line. 4.46 40 sounds pretty good for a safety. I guess we’ll have to wait for tomorrow to see what happens.

bigjim – I think Sproles would be a great addition for us. Could be inserted as our 3rd down back. Lee is unproven at RB and Bill kept saying he was a liability last year whenever he wasn’t carrying the ball. I interpret that as someone who makes bad decisions, bad reads, blocks poorly — all things that raise Bill’s ire. Plus, Andersen is too old and may not return. Hopefully Lee improves this year. And Bickerstaff proves he can play. But really, we’ve nothing to throw in there after Julius Jones.

I definitely agree with you re. Hawthorne.

btw., anyone read what or who was trying to move up to our 2nd pick? Bill mentioned they considered trading down and they seem to have had a possible deal on the table. I’m dissappointed we didn’t make a trade, but maybe Burnett will impress. Obviously JJ and Bill liked him. Most info on him is mixed. I’ve read nothing to make him appear better than our current LBs (perhaps just a bit bigger).

It would be huge to pick up someone who could spark our return game. A player like Sproles, or Jerome Mathis if he hangs on a few more picks. Both fill a positional need, and would provide and instant improvement in the return game. There are still plenty of good RT’s and FS’s left, so I hope Mathis is the next pick. Adding some more LB beef, and depth at corner would be a nice thought at in round 6 or 7, and hey, all of the fullbacks are still on the board.

How about a WR or two, if we have a injurie at WR i.e. Terry Glenn, we could be in for another long season.

Though there are some very tempting options at other positions, easily the most pressing need for the Cowboys is Saftey. They need a fast saftey who can cover, and Sean Considine has both of those qualities.

Crossing my fingers on Mathis. Can you imagine that!! Talk about a perfect draft, if Mathis falls to us and then we can make a trade up to get Fason, or maybe Sproles. What about Brandon Browner? He’d be a nice nickle corner, and could possibly play safety too. Hawthorne would have been nice, but he was smoking weed at the combine, too risky! Dallas has options to fill some holes still in the 4th round, and that’s nice!

Yesterday was awesome!! Once the Boys were there at 11, and not a single defensive front 7 player was taken, Cowboy country was excited. I mean leading up to the draft, it was hard to figure how they would get both the player with size enough to play DE in the 3-4, and the edge guy they desired. Heck, I was a big proponent of the flexability that grabbing both would bring, but right before the draft thought it was best to just draft the DE that would probably bring the most pressure from the traditional 4-3 set. My guess was Erasmus James. Watching it all unfold, Cleveland scared me the most. I was sure Taggliabu would say “Marcus Spears” there! When he didn’t I said O.K. no trades now, no surprises! Then when Detroit was on the clock, and then Mike Williams’ name was read, the joy of realizing what had just happened … it couldn’t have fell any better. We have a shot here, and Bill and Jerry took a risk leaving Spears on the board, but it was the only chance to get both players they wanted. Spears was a great pick at 11, just a perfect pick at 20!! Bill and Jerry read the draft, especially the teams selecting from 12-19. Just an awesome job!!

i am so happy with yesterday. we werent gettin too cute and overvaluing POINTS more than GREAT players. couldnt be happeir

plus read the dallas site for the new stories….ware and spears are both HAPPY at being on “americas team” as one of them put it. and htey are friends, i guess they started gettin to know eachother at the senior bowl or something.

What about Sean Considine? Gil Brandt has him rated as the second best FS in the draft, and Pro Football Weekly has him rated as the 7th best player still available( better than Jerome Mathis). I remember reading that Considine was a defensive captain. I am sure he is no Darren Woodson but apparently he can be somewhat of a leader. We need someone like that in our secondary.

i would agree.

i say go with sean at 109

i really like Reshard Lee, but his health issue bothers me. And since Anderson won’t be back. We need a rb. Saying that; I like Darren Sproles. And to me; he reminds me of JJ. I also like that Marion Barber kid too!

As far as WR. With the Lions drafting Williams, and signing another WR. I bet they release Hakim. Why not pick him up off of free agency. But if we get one I like Fred Gibson. As far as Mathis; he is very fast, but has 5.5 hands.

With the front seven that we have now; we don’t have to have a big time stud at FS. And if Hunter would accept that is where he is wanted. I think he would be a real good slot receiver corner and FS. However, I like this Sean Considine kid, and maybe Vincent Fuller. Shazor is more of a SS to me. But don’t forget that no one has signed Ty Law yet. Don’t under estimate Parcell trying to get him. Everyone knows how he likes his former players.

I agree getting a DT. Looking for the future. Saying this. I think Anttaj Hawthorne is the third best pick on the board regarding our needs.

With all of this. I think we need to do some trading up with our 7th and say next years 6th and 7th to get another 4th if possible.

I am sorry that I failed to say that Ray Willis might be a good pick up too as a OT. I also like K.J. Harris, and Cedric Houston at RB. But here is my mock draft.

4th. Darren Sproles, K.J. Harris, Cedric Houston, or Marion Barber III
5th Sean Considine-unless we pick him at 4th.
6th Ray Willis
6th Anttaj Hawthorne
7th Fred Gibson (if he is still there, but I doubt it) if not I pick the best WR on the board. Here is my order of receivers. Thorpe,Mathis,Savoy, and Currie.

But I would really like to trade this years 7th, and next years 5th, and 6th for another 4th this year. That way I know we could get Sean in the 4th.

Hawthorne, is a nice fit to play behind Ferguson, but he tested possitive for marijuana at the combine.

If the last two years have given us any indication, Parcells has taken weapons to attack, both on offense and this year on defense. Why stop? Let’s get Jerome Mathis!! Stretch the field, and open things up underneath for Witten, Keyshawn, and JJ!

There are still a few RBs here, so maybe waiting to draft one might be the smartest option here. I like T.A. McLendon, because his size and his heart. Just a tough kid that I see would have no problem blocking in our one back set, and backing up JJ. Maybe Sproles falls too.

Brandon Browner isn’t a name I’ve been hearing a lot of. He is a “ball hawking” CB that projects better as a safety, because of his speed. Could be a steal in the ladder rounds here.

Sean Considine gone in a heart beat….just another reason to hate the ’B’eagles…

Top 12 remianing players:

3.831 Craphonso Thorpe Florida State WR 4Sr
3.81 Jerome Mathis Hampton WR 4Sr
3.792 Wesley Britt Alabama T 5Sr
3.78 Adrian McPherson x-Florida State QB 4Jr
3.771 Sean Considine Iowa S 5Sr
3.77 Ray Willis Florida State T 5Sr
3.76 Marion Barber III Minnesota RB 3Jr
3.731 Elton Brown Virginia G 4Sr
3.73 Michael Boley Southern Mississippi OLB 5Sr
3.72 James Davis Virginia Tech DE 5Sr
3.691 Anttaj Hawthorne Wisconsin DT 4Sr
3.69 Ciatrick Fason Florida RB 3Jr

My guess would be BP will draft the highest rated WR or RB available when the pick comes up…

We took Marion Barber III

Kind of surprised BP passed on Mathis……….

A little about Barber…sounds pretty good…

Barber, whose father was also a standout running back for the Gophers and played with the Jets in the NFL, appeared in 11 games and started two as a freshman in 2001. He appeared in two games in 2002 before sustaining a hamstring injury and taking a medical redshirt year. Barber played in all 13 games of the 2003 season and he was named first team All-Big-10. As a senior in 2004, Barber rushed for 1,082 yards and 10 touchdowns on 194 carries splitting carries with Laurence Maroney. Barber needs to work on his running style and improve his vision and patience as a runner. However, he has adequate size, above average top-end speed, and heâ€â"¢s a tough runner. Some feel that Barber can emerge as a â€Å"sleeper” in this class and become an impact fulltime starter in the NFL.