Fourth Round Update

Top 12 remianing players:

3.831 Craphonso Thorpe Florida State WR 4Sr
3.81 Jerome Mathis Hampton WR 4Sr
3.792 Wesley Britt Alabama T 5Sr
3.78 Adrian McPherson x-Florida State QB 4Jr
3.771 Sean Considine Iowa S 5Sr
3.77 Ray Willis Florida State T 5Sr
3.76 Marion Barber III Minnesota RB 3Jr
3.731 Elton Brown Virginia G 4Sr
3.73 Michael Boley Southern Mississippi OLB 5Sr
3.72 James Davis Virginia Tech DE 5Sr
3.691 Anttaj Hawthorne Wisconsin DT 4Sr
3.69 Ciatrick Fason Florida RB 3Jr

My guess would be BP will draft the highest rated WR or RB available when the pick comes up…

There it is…barber is the man…

A little about Barber…sounds pretty good…

Barber, whose father was also a standout running back for the Gophers and played with the Jets in the NFL, appeared in 11 games and started two as a freshman in 2001. He appeared in two games in 2002 before sustaining a hamstring injury and taking a medical redshirt year. Barber played in all 13 games of the 2003 season and he was named first team All-Big-10. As a senior in 2004, Barber rushed for 1,082 yards and 10 touchdowns on 194 carries splitting carries with Laurence Maroney. Barber needs to work on his running style and improve his vision and patience as a runner. However, he has adequate size, above average top-end speed, and he’s a tough runner. Some feel that Barber can emerge as a “sleeper” in this class and become an impact fulltime starter in the NFL.

I am a little surprised BP passes on the speed of Mathis…….he commented on his speed at the Combine………..wonder if we were going to gamble on Clarett here? Personally I would rather have Barber than Clarett. Kincade is playing well in NFLeurope……….

I am guessing Richie Anderson is not returning next year……….otherwise I think BP gets a WR here.

I guess we are set in our secondary for now……….Rafael is right all the big strong CBs are gone and S are flying off the board now too. All those passing touchdowns………..I hope you guys are right that Ware and Spears are enough to pressure the QB……….i do not want to get McNabbed again.

Maybe Mathis makes into the 5th………

My best guess is that BP will look at Gerald Sensabaugh from North Carolina (FS)…he has the one comodity most of the remaining FS don’t …he has decent speed.

Look at what they say about Fred Gibson…why is this guy not gone yet???
Gibson caught 33 passes and set a school record for 100-yard receiving games in a season with five as a true freshman in 2001. He has been a starter when healthy since. He had trouble staying on the field as a result of durability problems (thumb, hamstring and knee), from ‘02-’03. Gibson also was part of a group of nine that was accused by the NCAA but not penalized due to a lack of precedent regarding an accusation that they sold their SEC championship rings. However, Gibson has remained healthy, has stayed out of trouble off the field, and made huge strides in terms of his overall consistency as a senior in ’04, as he finished with 45 receptions for 759 yards and six touchdowns. Gibson is loaded with talent. He is tall, fast, athletic and explosive. He has the physical tools of a No. 1 receiver.

we traded with philly to get another DE?

Seeing Dallas getting a lot of good grades by the mediots. They like what Dallas has done and it’s hard to disagree. They’re getting best available players at need spots… and with two 1st picks it’s hard not to do well.

It would be nice if they could get lucky with one of the next few picks and find a real player in the rough. FS and RT still hanging out as needs followed by WR.

Don’t forget June 1 cuts coming. They’ll be a few of these players making their way in to the market then. A guy like Turley from the Rams might do well there as I don’t buy in to the anger problems. I like a guy with a little roughness on the line.

Just saw Dallas picks up another DE… Canty. Dallas D is going to be VERY different this year.

Canty is good, but do you think this hints that Greg Ellis could be gone? I hope he can play OLB, because I don’t think it looks good. Parcells seems to love Canty, so I have faith in him. I am also sold that we are going to make a big run at Ty Law.

Sounds pretty good…if he stops his off the field problems and stays healthy he could be a steal by the sounds of it…BP will straighten him out.

Injuries really limited Canty’s potential as a collegiate player and will wind up costing him dearly on draft day. He missed time early in his career because of shoulder problems and he also blew out his knee four games into his senior season. However, when Canty was healthy as a fulltime starter in 2003 and for the first four games of the 2004 season he was one of the most impressive end prospects in this class. Canty finished his junior season with 104 total tackles, 11 tackles for loss and four sacks. He also led his team with 30 total tackles, including seven TFL and one sack after just four games as a senior prior to his knee injury. Canty also did not help his cause when he suffered an eye injury during a bar brawl in Scottsdale, AZ, where he was training during the post-season.

Anyone know what they gave up for Canty? I see they lost a 5th. What else?

What did we give the eagles for the 4th rd pick?

Yes!! Finally, a UVA player is drafted by the Cowboys!! I’ve only waited my entire life for this!!! And they trade up to do it in taking DE Chris Canty. I’m surprised by the move but before his injury last season, Canty was an awesome, tenacious player with great, great character. I’m sure Al Groh endorsed this kid and Andrew Hoffman to BP all the way.

I think Canty along with Spears and Ware will make us deep and very, very talented.

I’m interested in the trade details and what resources we have left in this draft.

Cowboys get: Philadelphia’s fourth-round pick (No. 132) and selected DE Chris Canty, and a sixth-round pick in 2006
Eagles get: Dallas’ fifth-round pick (No. 148) and fourth-round pick in 2006.

The ‘BIG’ is back in ‘Big D’…Spears, Ware, Canty, Burnett, Ferguson…

If these guys are as good as advertised the D could be pretty dominating…just a FS away from being a great Defensive draft…that might have to come in June as unless BP knows a gem hiding in the weeds…the cupboard looks pretty bare.

I have to believe with a line like Dallas will have that the “experts” are right. My grandmother could play FS for Dallas now. If this line applies some pressure that FS doesn’t have to be a stud. Just has to be able to cover for a short period and lay a little wood.

Don:

Like Pete Hunter?

Hate to say it but if McPherson is still hanging out in the 6th round I’d love to see Dallas take him. I’ve never been sold on Romo and this guy has the make up to be a player if his head is finally on straight.

Hopefully BP has a gem in mind at FS in this Draft. I don’t see them spending much more in Free Agency. The kid from N. Carolina is still out there but will he be there with the 208th or 209th in the sixth round?

HA – Pete Hunter. Actually I think he’d be fine physically. I just don’t want a guy out there mailing it in. I think the closer it gets to training camp the more he’s going to want to be on the field. The other boys will apply a little peer pressure as well.

Maybe we should pay to have a direct call to Troy Brown about TEAM play.

All this is for not………. If we don’t get Roy in the box.

We must get a safety. can anybody say its time for Mr. Law.

I will be very disappointed if we keep what we have.

There’s no way Law is going to go to the Cowboys. They’re not going to pay Law what he wants to play FS. Not going to happen.

I’m with u Don. Have Darren woodson come back and have a sit down with Pete! Maybe that will open his Eyes! Pete Has the talent to be a good safety step. He just needs to step up and be a man and HELP out the TEAM that stuck by him by drafting him.

Why is everyone saying get rid of this guy (Ellis) or that guy (Glover)? Way too good to let either go! Dallas can easily still play the 4-3, and will. Sure the 3-4 will lower their reps per game, but they will be fresh in the 3rd and 4th quarters. The 3-4 also gives an offense diferent looks, they never know where the defense is rushing the QB from. Rotation!! Now this defensive rotation may not be the type of rotation we had grown accustomed to in the early 90’s, like subbing the entire D-line, but more geared towards the probabilty of a team passing versus the team rushing. More situational substitutions, like on first down, Ellis, Spears, Ferguson, and Glover might man the D-line, with Singleton, Nguyen, and Burnett being the group at LB. While 3rd and long we might see Spears, Ferguson, Glover, and behind them- Ware, Burnett, James, and Ngueyn in a 3-4 set.

Agree on Mcpherson seems to have dropped because of character issues would bw a steal

i like it. i mean another DE? but we could use it, ferguson was a 7th rounder and look at him. ellis aint gonna be here forever and could use some extra help. PLUS i love the fact that we can finally rotate our DEFENSE up front….

hoenstly guys, this will confuse the hell out of O-lines, just look at NE.

i though FS was more important but none were good enough on the board, CANTY seems fine and Bill will get him cooking back to the way he plays best.

now we need….in this order

FS
OT
WR

anything i missed??

Hunter does not have much choice. In three years he never beat out Mario Edwards.

Last year he starts and gets hurt……..this is not the kind of guy teams are going to be clamoring for. If he wants his stock to rise, shut up, play nickel or FS and make PLAYS. There are FS in this league that get big money…………those that make PLAYS.

I guess bill must think Frazier, Jones, Thornton, Reeves are going to fill the nickel positions………and stand pat at Davis and Scott at FS…….Hunter being the one guy that might play either…….

like the canty pick big dude long decent speed and much needed depth. when the cowboys d was strong in the early 90’s we had alot of dlinemen coming in and out rotation = depth = fresh down the stretch = more wins. i like this pick prolly wouldve been possible late first second rounder but injuries hurt him, now he slides down to the fourth could be a huge steal.

Anyone like Anthony Bryant DT from Bama? He is 6’3" 335lbs. Might be a nice back up to Ferguson.

eric you said it already sorry i agree with what you put

spears can be his backup necessarily we dont need another DT…

spears is very versatile

Jon, isn’t Browner still available? Still looks like the part of S.

Donivan Darius?

Boy I’ll tell it feels great to write down Spears is a Cowboy!! Let me try with Ware … yep that felt good too!!

dont know much about barber…is he really better than sproles fason, etc???

give a good positive analysis of this kid….is he better than bickerstaff, lee, and kincade?? or will he just be a special teamer or what???

Weaknesses: Is not a good athlete. Lacks quickness, burst and penetrating skills. Provides very little production as a pass rusher. Does not make many plays in pursuit versus the run, either. Has poor conditioning and is notorious for being lazy. Wears down easily and will lose his technique and get sluggish. Weight will always have to be monitored, as he often will get too big. Stamina is also a big concern.
 thats about bryant, maybe parcells could change alot of that though, he is massive

Darius will probably cost too much.

You guys are making good points about freshness of the D. They let down a few times late in games. With the number of decent guys Dallas should have this year in the front 7 they should play all 4 qtrs.

Ellis and Glover aren’t going anywhere. Think you’ll see a lot of teams having trouble scoring late in games on Dallas.

vincent fuller if available would be a great pick up, excellent speed good coverage man

Mike thanx!

With a 6th round selection? I’d take a shot at it with his size. Parcells does have a way to light a match under players. Look what he said about Clarrett, according to Ed Werder, Parcells liked the fact that Maurice had no other options but to produce or go get an every day job. Maybe worth a look, afterall we need someone behind Fergy.

Can Shazor play FS? He is still on the board.

He’s pretty light on his feet for such a big guy too.

McPherson gone to NO..just FYI

Fuller also gone

dont know much about barber…is he really better than sproles fason, etc???

give a good positive analysis of this kid….is he better than bickerstaff, lee, and kincade?? or will he just be a special teamer or what???

Strengths: He possesses adequate size and adequate-to-good straight-line speed. He has the lower body strength to pick up yards after contact when he runs with leverage. Shows good burst to the line of scrimmage and adequate speed in the open field. Has the ability to change directions quickly and he is capable of making the first defender miss. Rarely drops passes that he should catch and has a good feel as a dump-off receiver that stays with his quarterback in the passing game. He has experience returning kickoffs as well as punts.

these are his positives. barber

Thomas Says:

April 24th, 2005 at 10:48 am
A little about Barber…sounds pretty good…

Barber, whose father was also a standout running back for the Gophers and played with the Jets in the NFL, appeared in 11 games and started two as a freshman in 2001. He appeared in two games in 2002 before sustaining a hamstring injury and taking a medical redshirt year. Barber played in all 13 games of the 2003 season and he was named first team All-Big-10. As a senior in 2004, Barber rushed for 1,082 yards and 10 touchdowns on 194 carries splitting carries with Laurence Maroney. Barber needs to work on his running style and improve his vision and patience as a runner. However, he has adequate size, above average top-end speed, and heâ€â"¢s a tough runner. Some feel that Barber can emerge as a â€Å"sleeper” in this class and become an impact fulltime starter in the NFL.

Marion Barber III FROM ESPN
RB | (5’11", 221, 4.49) | MINNESOTA

Scouts Grade: 72

Flags: (D: DURABILITY) Player that can’t stay healthy Selected by: Dallas Cowboys
Round: 4
Pick (Overall): 8(109)
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Career Totals Rushing Receiving
SEASON ATT YDS AVG TD REC YDS AVG TD
2004 231 1269 5.5 11 3 27 9.0 0
2003 207 1196 5.8 17 13 119 9.2 0
2002 19 69 3.6 0 3 25 8.3 0
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Strengths: He possesses adequate size and adequate-to-good straight-line speed. He has the lower body strength to pick up yards after contact when he runs with leverage. Shows good burst to the line of scrimmage and adequate speed in the open field. Has the ability to change directions quickly and he is capable of making the first defender miss. Rarely drops passes that he should catch and has a good feel as a dump-off receiver that stays with his quarterback in the passing game. He has experience returning kickoffs as well as punts.

Weaknesses: Can be impatient at times and he needs to do a better job of allowing his blocks to develop. Has adequate size and adequate-to-good speed, but not great in either area. Is a little bit too straight-line and doesn’t show enough “wiggle” in space. Runs hard but seems to lack a bit of explosiveness. He is somewhat inconsistent and he will run too high at times. Doesn’t run sharp routes and he could have problems generating separation working against upper-tier cover-linebackers. He sat out most of his sophomore season, there is some concern about his durability and he needs to stay healthy to progress.

Overall: Barber, whose father was also a standout running back for the Gophers and played with the Jets in the NFL, appeared in 11 games and started two as a freshman in 2001. He appeared in two games in 2002 before sustaining a hamstring injury and taking a medical redshirt year. Barber played in all 13 games of the 2003 season and he was named first team All-Big-10. As a senior in 2004, Barber rushed for 1,082 yards and 10 touchdowns on 194 carries splitting carries with Laurence Maroney. Barber needs to work on his running style and improve his vision and patience as a runner. However, he has adequate size, above average top-end speed, and he’s a tough runner. Some feel that Barber can emerge as a “sleeper” in this class and become an impact fulltime starter in the NFL. While we definitely think he can contribute as a change-of-pace back and possibly as a KOR specialist, it just seems to us that Barber lacks enough elite qualities, especially in terms of the explosiveness that it takes to become a premier NFL back. In our opinion, Barber is a good value late on Day 1, but not any higher.

ted,
 where did fuller go??? cant find it…

I think Barber will make a nice 3rd down back. He seems to do everything pretty well. Nothing great, but nothing bad. If his hands are good, he’d be an asset for moving the chains.

Bill wants guys that can do all three aspects of a running back, run, block and recieve and thats what you get with Barber from minnesota. Fason and sproles are one dimentional

Fuller went to TEN in R4. He is listed as a CB

nm damn it i found it

Sensabaugh is now gone as well to JAX just took him. Safety is looking pretty thin. I can’t believe Shazor is still out there. I know he is more of a SS, but alot of people had him as R1 or R2 talent.

thanks for the input on barber

at least he’ll be an upgrade from any other backup besides richie anderson who i hope can still come back.

now we have 3 more picks right?

i say go with WR, FS, and OT

or should we go somewhere else? and save some needs for cuts by june?

there a few safeties out there thye seem to be more of a ss though which we deff dont need. we will see we still have a long way till we draft again, 45picks :(

Ryan,

I say go with the board. We’re still, what, fifty picks from Dallas next selection, but the best players I see right now are the two Wisconsin DT/NTs. If either of the Hawthorne/Jefferson duo is around, don’t be surprised if Parcells CONTINUES to add to the front seven.

maybe bill is thinking with the new front 7 fs isnt as big a priority as it wouldve been????

I’d like to see FS, WR, OT. Those would be great. Hopefully the Tuna still has some aces up his sleeve.

i honestly feel he wont pick a FS, now that i think of it.

i mean this late there isnt a great guy that we could use, at least i dont think tell me if there is, and so it would sorta be a waste right now.

i think there gonna pick at least a WR, OT/OG (BP likes guys who can play both right?), and then probably DT i guess.

Wouldn’t mind Hawthorne either. Perhaps you guys are right. A few people have made the comment that “my grandma could play FS with that front 7”. Imagine adding Hawthorne to that. He was also rated R1 at one point.

I’ve changed my mind. I just want BP to pick the top talent left. Let them fight it out in camp.

Whats everyones take on Brandon Browner CB from Oregon ST. If he’s still there at # 208 or #209 in the sixth round?

justin beriault is still available kiper hadd him in the second round but hes more of a strong safety

Parcell has fs covered. I dont know how, but he wouldnt ignore it in the draft if he didnt. Maybe hunter agreed to play s for awhile if he could be a nickle corner. He wont make a big check as a cb until he proves something anyway. This will give him a a shot to play. I bet hes gonna be our fs this year. Scott has played alot of nickle at s. I just read up on canty. He could be a real treaet for us. This is gonna be a great front seven.

you know if it was me i wold rather start at free safety then be a backup corner.

Browner is a bit slow for CB, but might make a nice FS. Great size! Review on him says he is a poor tackler, but with this front 7, he wont have to tackle much (ha/ha). They have him lister ar R2 talent. Seems like a steal at the end of R6.

Ted: Thats what i was thinking. Move him to free safety cause his size and cover skills. I think that would Really help Roy!

I also like that he is bringing depth and longevity to our defense. Hes building something big here. Hes not trying to fill every hole this year. Hes building depth. These r4 picks are a cotinuing of what they did yesterday. Theyve done great w all their picks so far. Its hard to see because we cant get fs off our minds, but they are not sacrificing good picks for guys who arent that good just to fill the hole. Way to go bp and jj. By the way, Does this not smell so much more like a bp draft than a jones draft? that alone excites me. We got the best defensive players availible w our picks. We didnt trade our picks away like weve done for so long.

BP aint gonna draft a FS now…its so late and the guy prolly wont be good enough anyways…at least with a D-lineman or o-lineman they can be good….look at ferguson, he was a 7th rounder….i say go with best DT or WR available at 208, then go OT with 209 and then im clueless in the 7th round…help me out or give me some input on my selections

i think hes just gonna take best player available by the pt system i dont think hes trying to fill holes anymore if the best player is a safety then so be it, even though id like to see someone come in but theres gonna be alot of undrafted f.a. as well so maybe get someone out of there that people missed…

I agree with Eric that BP must have FS covered. Otherwise he would not have ignored it this long. It was not a very deep Safety draft anyway. But I’d say Browner is worth a look. We learned last year that you can’t have too many CB’s Browner could easily shift back to CB in a pinch.

If browner is stillthere i bet they wiil take him. but i doubt he will be. Everybody seems to want cbs this year.

yes…i think BP is teaching JJ a few things…and I LOVE IT! MAYBE BP HOPES IF HE DOES EVENTUALLY LEAVE, THAT DALLAS CAN AT LEAST HAVE THE TALENT, AND MAYBE HE WANTS JJ TO BE A BETTER GM, EVEN THOUGH HES ONE OF THE BEST ALREADY….

BUT I LOVE IT THIS YEAR.

NO GETTIN CUTE WITH ANYTHING, just gettin the best available, nice job boys, your finally learning

The only thing that worries me of this front 7 overhaul, is the fact that you can only take to the field, what? 48 players? And taking possibly 7 (Ellis, Glover, Ferguson, Spears, Coleman/Ogbogu, Carson and possibly Canty) to the front line and 6 for the LB corps (B. James, O’Neil, Nguyen, Singleton, Ware and Burnett) sum for 13, are you willing to take to the field only 7 OLineman? Parcells has been excitant about that. Only 2 backsand a FB? With Barber and Barnes/Polite sounds possible. 4 corners? 4 safeties? I don’t know, seems like Parcells is going to check his maths for this season……….

I know it sounds crazy but since I’m not sold on Romo why not take on of those compensation picks and take Jason White? Why not give him a shot, I know he had alot of weapons and a great RB, but the guy won alot of games and was a Heisman winner. I would love to at least take him to camp and see what we can get for a 3rd QB

Browner or Hawthorne sound great at this point, but Hawthorne failed a drug test at the combine.

chandus your right…rafael how u feel about this???

This is my first time commenting on the site—but ive been reading it for a while—good stuff

I’m thinkin BP knows exactly what he’s doin at FS. I bet Hunter has agreed to play FS next year, but was instructed not to say so. BP is really secretive with what he wants to do, so it may just be a way to help him manipulate other teams (in draft, trades, etc). Of course, I could be wrong, but I adopted the “trust in Bill” philosophy a while ago. Just my two cents.

——-D.A. Gerhardt
’Boys fan, son of ’Boys fans, grandson of ’Boys fans

heismann qb = nfl dud normally some exceptions but not many

If I went QB it wouldn’t be Jason White. Too many injuries. How about Timmy Chang in R7. He has an absolute cannon for an arm and knows how to use it. He could be the best QB that nobody has talked about in this draft. I am not saying that I would take a QB, but if I did, I’d have to give Chang a long look.

hawthorne idk how you fail a drug test especially when you know yur gonna get tested you have to pretty damn dumb. if you look at the picks thus far theres noone on there that has charecter issues. so i would highly doubt hawthorne

Of course, browner might be there BECAUSE everyone has already taken a corner. Maybe everyone thinks hes too slow for corner which would fit him right in as our fs. Man this is like christmas morning! Anyone have an idea about what time well be on the clock again? I wore myself out sitting in front of the tv waiting for dallas’ picks yesterday.

chang he threw for what 3 and a half miles in college, thatd be my guy i would take a shot on…

they are on pick 178 so we have 30 more picks left prolly roughly hour and a half

hawthorne is at the raiders now

Bah—Hawthorne was taken

And so was Nick Speegle—I lived in NM til 2 or 3 yrs ago, and saw him once or twice. this was a kid we shouldve looked at, we was big and fast (I believe he was the fastest LB in the predraft workouts). Too bad—people thought he could play safety as well—he was a machine

Thinkin BP is gonna look for a lineman (offense) in later rounds, or get more picks for next year.

Chang broke Detmers record for yardage with almost 14k yards. I kow alot of that is the system, but he threw for 38 td’s last year vs only 13 picks. He’s a wildcard, but it could be fun to see what he’s got.

Didn’t know Hawthorne failed a screen. Explains his fall in the draft. Prob should stay away.

fits them well with that team…

I’ve started a new 6th round thread.

wouldnt it be 2 1/2 hours?

well w/e they are picking pretty quick now

true i hope so, i gotta get back to work soon

and Hawthorne failed the test cause he took some andro to help his elbow heal before the draft—then he sent letters to every team explaining that—doesn’t sound like an issue, or at least one people should worry about, specially since only a small amount of the steroid was taken—and he never failed a ’roid test in college (college coach released all testing records to every team)

that was castillo from northwestern who took the andro for his elbow. thought hawthorne tested + for marijuana

heh—my mistake—absolutely correct, that was Castillo—Hawthorne was the one who got caught for pot—jest kidding

If I did not know better Canty looks like a spitting image of Richard Dent who used to play for the Bears.