Sixth Round Thread
The sixth round has begun, which means Dallas is back in play, after a tedious wait through the fifth. With the two supplemental picks approximately 30 choices away, it's time to consider what's been taken and what's left.
With the exception of Demarcus Ware, the Cowboys have stuck with the Parcells big school formula. The second objective has been adding muscle to the defensive front seven. So far, we've seen:
DE -- 307 lb. Marcus Spears and 285 lb. Chris Canty
LB -- 251 lb. Demarcus Ware and 240 lb. Kevin Burnett
RB -- 221 lb. jack of all trades Marion Barber III
My guess? If one of the Wisconsin DTs, Jason Jefferson or Antajj Hawthorne is around, I can see Dallas completing the front seven makeover by choosing him.
Beriault, according to the PFW draft book has 4.55 speed and is listed as a free safety. That's where he will probably start. He's listed as a strong special teams player, which will give him a second chance to make the team. His strengths are his intelligence and discipline. The weakness, apparently is range. My scouting report shows that he's a bit stiff.
Let me caution you on the accuracy of these books with small college players. Willie Clay, who made a long living playing FS for Parcells, had a 4.72 on his draft book profile. I'm not saying the book is suddenly bad, because this guy has about a 50/50 shot as an NFL safety. I'm saying that he fits a position of need, and until I see the bad 50%, I'm stressing the good 50.
This is a sixth round pick, after all, and everyone here is a longshot.
Ratliff looks a bit small to play inside, but appears to have some rushing ability. He's one more side on the Parcells beef truck.
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jefferson would be only option, and he looks good, but havent we got enough of the front 7 now?
i mean next year we could get more and D is a priority right now but i wanna see a WR or OT or possibly another CB to add to the fire
by ryan on Apr 24, 2005 1:56 PM CDT reply actions
I’d say BP is gonna go with an O Lineman, and try to get picks for next year
by David on Apr 24, 2005 1:57 PM CDT reply actions
June is lookin more and more like the time to grab a servicable WR, same with another FS to test in camp
by David on Apr 24, 2005 1:58 PM CDT reply actions
The only thing that worries me of this front 7 overhaul, is the fact that you can only take to the field, what? 48 players? And taking possibly 7 (Ellis, Glover, Ferguson, Spears, Coleman/Ogbogu, Carson and possibly Canty) to the front line and 6 for the LB corps (B. James, Oâ€â"¢Neil, Nguyen, Singleton, Ware and Burnett) sum for 13, are you willing to take to the field only 7 OLineman? Parcells has been excitant about that. Only 2 backsand a FB? With Barber and Barnes/Polite sounds possible. 4 corners? 4 safeties? I donâ€â"¢t know, seems like Parcells is going to check his maths for this season……
by Chandus on Apr 24, 2005 2:00 PM CDT reply actions
david, (or anyone else)
in june, who will be there at WR or FS good enough for us??
by ryan on Apr 24, 2005 2:01 PM CDT reply actions
guys, if there are no good players at pick 208 (there prolly wont be any at the rest) so if thats the case do you think we’d trade all three remaining picks to get a pick next year?? and what would that yield us? a 4th or 5th or what??
by ryan on Apr 24, 2005 2:09 PM CDT reply actions
or will BP try his luck since he knows hes great in later rounds????
by ryan on Apr 24, 2005 2:10 PM CDT reply actions
can’t trade the 2 compensatory picks if I am not mistaken
by Ted on Apr 24, 2005 2:10 PM CDT reply actions
OH YEAH!
damn, my mistake i totally forgot, nevermind then
by ryan on Apr 24, 2005 2:12 PM CDT reply actions
munoz, jefferson, or best WR or best CB if there are any of the two (WR and CB)
by ryan on Apr 24, 2005 2:13 PM CDT reply actions
Yeah, cant trade the compensatory picks. Is Craig Bragg still on the board. Not great but better than nothing. Munoz, then Bragg.
by Carl S. on Apr 24, 2005 2:13 PM CDT reply actions
Problem with WR’s now is that they all are slow, small, or really inconsitent. I’m sure BP’ll grab at least one as an UFA, but right now, our best bet is to get someone who didn’t fit in some other teams system when June comes around. I don’t know exactly who, but there are always players in June that are solid, but couldn’t find a place on their team. Anyway, we do have KJ, Glenn, Morgan (less pressure=more production), Witten, Dan Campbell, and the two youngens (Copper and Crayton)—we don’t need a huge upgrade there this year.
by David on Apr 24, 2005 2:14 PM CDT reply actions
I’d be fine with waiting until next year to get a solid WR for the future. I would like more depth on the OT spot.
by Lou on Apr 24, 2005 2:15 PM CDT reply actions
I meant more for someone to handle returns. I know Barber did a bit of that but, he’s not a threat to take it to the house. That’s why I mentioned Bragg, I wasn’t expecting him to make an impact.
by Carl S. on Apr 24, 2005 2:16 PM CDT reply actions
Munoz has pedigree workin for him, and was solid in college. As were some of the other guys that will still be available. BP just needs to get a couple young guys that he can develop like he has before (Kevin Mawea of the Jets). The linemen he will get probably won’t start, but will develop into good/great players in a few seasons (see Rogers and Peterman, who will replace Flozelle and Rivera eventually). He still needs a young guy to groom behind LA. He’s gonna look for guys to compete with Tucker for the starting RT position in free agency, more specifically in June (always some good bargains after cuts on the 1st)
by David on Apr 24, 2005 2:18 PM CDT reply actions
I love Copper and Crayton. I really want to see them develop this year. I’d prefer to not draft a WR this year if we can help the Oline this deep in the draft. Need depth. There will be WR all over in June/July that will as good or better than anybody left in the draft
by Ted on Apr 24, 2005 2:18 PM CDT reply actions
i would still like to see Dantzler returnin kicks
by Kevin on Apr 24, 2005 2:19 PM CDT reply actions
Yeah, but whats Troy Brown gonna do, catch the punts and hand them to somebody fast? He’s bout to start gettin Social Security.
by Carl S. on Apr 24, 2005 2:19 PM CDT reply actions
Troy Brown (coincidentally like Ty Law) will want way too much money to be only a returner and maybe the 3rd WR. And remember, he’s as old as KJ and Glenn
by David on Apr 24, 2005 2:19 PM CDT reply actions
thinking 2 yr contract get us by till next year, hes a good 3rd receiver though…
by mike on Apr 24, 2005 2:21 PM CDT reply actions
Anybody know of a reason why Shazor is still on the board? Did he lose a leg in a tragic fishing accident or something? That guys was great at Michigan. He would make an awesome special teamer if nothing else.
by Ted on Apr 24, 2005 2:23 PM CDT reply actions
Barring injuries we should be fine with Keyshawn Glenn Morgan and Crayton. If Morgan could ever develop into a good #2 reciever we could use Glenn in the slot where he’s better fitted
by Kevin on Apr 24, 2005 2:23 PM CDT reply actions
i say get an OT, and a DT with our two 6th round picks or OT and FB/RB again
by ryan on Apr 24, 2005 2:23 PM CDT reply actions
Now that all the WR’s are gone, we gotta stick with Morgan, unless a real surprise shakes loose in June. Morgans our only hope at stretching the field and loosening up things for Julius.
by Carl S. on Apr 24, 2005 2:23 PM CDT reply actions
There’s a reason Woody D is back with the team—BP likes him to return kicks, and he’s hopin he can provide a bit of depth at safety—so with Lee, Woody D, and Copper/Crayton (can’t remember which one returned some kicks and punts last season) we should have a solid-to-strong return corps. But my biggest question bout my ‘Boys next season, is what are the gonna do with Bickerstaff? Why is BP still hangin on to him, specially after the injury, if he isn’t gonna start at FB/HB or back up JJ (Julius)?
by David on Apr 24, 2005 2:23 PM CDT reply actions
and if randal williams ever decides to show up and use the size and speed he’s got that would be a huge plus. You never know this is his last shot
by Kevin on Apr 24, 2005 2:24 PM CDT reply actions
I agree with Glenn being better in the slot. I hope Morgan does step up and force that to happen.
by Carl S. on Apr 24, 2005 2:24 PM CDT reply actions
why doesnt he show up like u said kevin? whats wrong with him? im just curious, is he any good?
by ryan on Apr 24, 2005 2:25 PM CDT reply actions
June is the time and place for depth at WR, which isn’t really that big of a need right now. Specially with Campbell back at TE—BP loves those 2 TE sets, where we don’t need 3 recievers on the field. Remember, with a running game and Campbell back, the Offense is gonna look quite different next year. Recievers are gonna have less pressure on them to succede (as will Bledsoe) which will make them much more productive/effective
by David on Apr 24, 2005 2:27 PM CDT reply actions
watch for mcmahon from iowa. hes a bruising right offensive tackle from iowa. ferentz has been producing some really good offensive linemen in the last few years. mcmahon also played guard in college so he is versatile. i think he could compete for that right tackle spot and if not he would be a solid backup and both guard and tackle.
by mitch on Apr 24, 2005 2:28 PM CDT reply actions
I thought Randall would be a solid WR. He’s got good size, alot of speed, but can’t catch the ball. He always looks good in camp, but never shows it on the field. Parcells said he might have had his last chance during the end of last year when Glenn got hurt. He’s always looked good as a prospect, but he looks like a bust as this is his 4th year.
by Kevin on Apr 24, 2005 2:28 PM CDT reply actions
where did kiper say that he is a hidden gem? give me more about that..
by ryan on Apr 24, 2005 2:32 PM CDT reply actions
i agree kevin when the cowboys were on hard knocks he looked good but fell off the earth lately, figured hed be something to hes tall with very good speed like you said.
by mike on Apr 24, 2005 2:32 PM CDT reply actions
this is his last shot, who knows he may turn out good
by ryan on Apr 24, 2005 2:32 PM CDT reply actions
Why is browner falling so much, somethings up that we dont know about him. I would think about butler at free safety too.
by Derrick on Apr 24, 2005 2:35 PM CDT reply actions
The more I think about it, it’s too bad Fincher of UConn didn’t drop down farther, or that we didn’t grab him in the second. I live in CT now, so I’ve been watching UConn football for a few seasons, and he was pretty good, oh well, once the draft is over we’ll all complain about who we didn’t get, but fortunately we’ve done pretty well so far
by David on Apr 24, 2005 2:36 PM CDT reply actions
11 picks away this is going real fast now, give me some stats on browning please cantr find any.
by mike on Apr 24, 2005 2:36 PM CDT reply actions
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Overall: Browner redshirted in 2002 before stepping in as a fulltime starter at cornerback in 2003, when he finished with 44 total tackles, six interceptions and another six passes broken up. As a redshirt sophomore in 2004, teams started to throw away from him more. Browner started all 12 games and finished with 46 tackles, one sack, zero interceptions and nine passes broken up. Browner, who elected to leave school early for the 2005 NFL draft, is still somewhat unpolished, he needs to improve his tackling skills and he also has poor top-end speed. However, Browner is worth taking a chance on in the second round because he has exceptional size, is a decent athlete for his size, and has the strength and confidence to hold up on an island. Some think his best fit in the NFL will be at FS but we think it would be a mistake …
by Ted on Apr 24, 2005 2:38 PM CDT reply actions
david, where do u live in CT?
i live in stafford springs
by ryan on Apr 24, 2005 2:40 PM CDT reply actions
Curious to know why ESPN doesn’t think moving Browner to FS is a good idea.
by Ted on Apr 24, 2005 2:41 PM CDT reply actions
hmm i have insider and i couldnt find them o well thank you, he doesnt look bad at all…
by mike on Apr 24, 2005 2:41 PM CDT reply actions
Yeah I agree about Fincher, I saw him play alot too. Kiper says that Canty can be a hidden gem because if he can shed the injuries he’s going to fit in perfectly with our 3-4 scheme and can really develop 2 years down the road. As for Randall I thought Id see big things out of him last year, but hopefully he can step up this year. Hes a solid specail teams player but thats the only reason he’s still around. On Hard Knocks he looked like a really talented athlete.
by Kevin on Apr 24, 2005 2:42 PM CDT reply actions
I can’t say I know where the is ryan, but I live in Orange (outside of New Haven). I’ve only lived here for bout 2 1/2 years, so I’m still figuring out my way around. I’m originally from Dallas, then moved to New Mexico for 6 years, then moved here a couple summers ago. How about you?
by David on Apr 24, 2005 2:42 PM CDT reply actions
I think you will see bill go O Line and maybe a WR………he got Troy Brown late…….he probably has an eye on somebody……..
by Jon on Apr 24, 2005 2:44 PM CDT reply actions
oh man, what a coincidence, I’m 17 as well—thats amazing, a fellow Cowboy fan here in CT, what are the chances
by David on Apr 24, 2005 2:45 PM CDT reply actions
are you really? thats crazy
no im not from iowa, we just submitted replies real fast, i was responding to david sorry
by ryan on Apr 24, 2005 2:47 PM CDT reply actions
my dad has a been a life long fan, its my family, i just get chills watchin a dallas game i love them so much
i am hoping that some time in the near future i can go down to dallas with my dad to chill and see them play ive never been to a game
well ive been to one. i t was dallas at NE a few years back during preseason, it sucked though because it was raining all night
but i hope i can go to dallas sometime
by ryan on Apr 24, 2005 2:49 PM CDT reply actions
That’s pretty sweet Ryan—I’m thinkin were gonna have to hang out and watch some of the ‘Boys games this season—Most of my friends are Giants fans, so I can’t even talk football with them. What part of the state is Stafford Springs in?
by David on Apr 24, 2005 2:50 PM CDT reply actions
northern part, close to vernon, tolland, ellington, somers…
have you heard of any of them??
yeah my good friend is a NYG fan and i have a friend who is a STL fan and so many of these kids up here go with PHI and NE….for obvious reasons
oh how come MUNOZ is dropping? i remember some of us here were hoping to get him at 42…any ideas???
by ryan on Apr 24, 2005 2:52 PM CDT reply actions
And I’m gonna try to get out to the ’Boys game against the Giants in New York, if I can get tickets. Someone told me that their pretty expensive at the Meadowlands
by David on Apr 24, 2005 2:53 PM CDT reply actions
ehhhh ok i guess the cb they took was good but a qb with there other pick was stupid they have 3 qb’s under contract. i hope they all suck though
by mike on Apr 24, 2005 2:53 PM CDT reply actions
Hey, we may grab Munoz with one of our picks, since we still need someone who can back up the left side (Peterman was a RG right?). Did Munoz play on the left side or the right? Cause that might be what we do
by David on Apr 24, 2005 2:55 PM CDT reply actions
PHI got good picks, and New york got tuck and webster
but not to sound bad, i think we have had one of the best drafts this year than other teams, and our best draft in the past ten years
by ryan on Apr 24, 2005 2:55 PM CDT reply actions
it killed me to see considine go to the eagles…im hoping mcmahon ends up in dallas
by mitch on Apr 24, 2005 2:55 PM CDT reply actions
yah im a illinois fan but i wouldve loved to see considine come to dallas. hes a stud, iowas producing some good players lately as well
by mike on Apr 24, 2005 2:56 PM CDT reply actions
after 209, whats our next pick….i know its a 7th but how far deep in the 7th….and how many picks in the 6th are there after us???
by ryan on Apr 24, 2005 2:56 PM CDT reply actions
yeah ferentz knows what hes doing and i think dallas would be lucky to get any of those guys…wait for hodge and greenway next year…both first round guarantees
by mitch on Apr 24, 2005 2:57 PM CDT reply actions
the skins draft looks pretty weak. Campbell is WAAAAYYY overrated. He had one decent season as a 4 year starter at Auburn. He just played around really talented players. Not sure about Rogers. He is really good, but not going to be a top 5 corner in the NFL. The other guys suck IMHO! I’d rate it a D at best
by Ted on Apr 24, 2005 2:57 PM CDT reply actions
Barring any injuries (specially with the concern for Burnett’s and Canty’s knees) this has been a sweet draft—I’d be pretty happy with the first three picks alone—but we’ve been takin some of the most talented players available, and thats all we can hope for—none of the old JJ (Jerry) picks based solely on need, none of which worked
by David on Apr 24, 2005 2:58 PM CDT reply actions
thatd cap it off nicely for us, i would think then get w/e in the 7th
by mike on Apr 24, 2005 2:59 PM CDT reply actions
Browner and Munoz would be awesome…almost unbelieveable that they have fallen this far.
by Ted on Apr 24, 2005 3:01 PM CDT reply actions
washingtons draft? Rogers is a player…….My guess is Gibbs would have taken Jones or Rolle if they were there but took Rogers……who is up there……..good CB……..Jason Campbell……not a bad QB…..but not going to start next year anyway……..then a couple of LBs……….I thought they would have gone WR at some point in there………
I do not think Washington is going to improve significantly………
Giants did pretty well considering they gave up 1st rounder last year.
The Beagles drafted pretty well too……..
but I say Dallas Definitely had the best draft of the Division…………Spears Ware Canty and Burnett……….those are 4 potential starters……..if Canty was healthy he is first or 2nd rounder………..i saw him play some at UVA pretty good DE……..
I do not know enough about Barber, but hey BP got another guy to put in the stable behind Jones………if Lee can learn to block he showed he could run…….and Kincade is tearing it up in NFLE so he will get a shot at Training Camp as well………
by Jon on Apr 24, 2005 3:02 PM CDT reply actions
i wouldnt mind getting mcmahon and munoz or browner…mcmahon did whoop up on spears in the capital one bowl this year.
by mitch on Apr 24, 2005 3:03 PM CDT reply actions
Ryan, Our picks left today are:
- (34th of 6rd)
- (35th of 6rd)
and the - (10th of the 7th round)
by J on Apr 24, 2005 3:03 PM CDT reply actions
ok here we go get ready to say wtf how is that….jk
by mike on Apr 24, 2005 3:03 PM CDT reply actions
tired of hearing about these damn receivers talk about whats going on not this crap…
by mike on Apr 24, 2005 3:07 PM CDT reply actions
Rob Petitti
Position: Offensive Tackle
College: Pittsburgh
Height: 6-6
Weight: 347
Hometown: Rumson, N.J.
Analysis | Injury Report | Agility | High School | Personal
OVERVIEW
Petitti finished his final collegiate season owning the status as one of the country’s elite offensive linemen. He is the first Pittsburgh offensive lineman to repeat as an All-Big East performer since Ruben Brown, now with the San Francisco 49ers, was a three-time selection from 1992-94. Petitti has started every game the last three years at left offensive tackle.
Petitti displays excellent flexibility and balance for a player of his immense size and has what Pittsburgh position coach Bill Bleil calls “a fast twitch,” alluding to his lightning quickness off the ball.
A two-time first-team all-division, all-shore, all-county and All-New Jersey Group I pick, Petitti was a three-year starter as a two-way lineman at Rumson-Fair Haven Regional High. He recorded 90 tackles over his last two seasons (43 as a senior and 47 as a junior) and was named Lombardi Award winner as the team’s top offensive lineman. He led the team to the 1998 division championship and the state playoffs, earning SuperPrep All-Northeast Region and PrepStar All-East Region accolades. He was selected to play in the New Jersey vs. New York Governor’s Bowl. He lettered three times in football and twice in basketball.
Petitti redshirted as a freshman at Pittsburgh, but has started every game (49) he has played in ever since for the Panthers. He was selected Pittsburgh’s Most Valuable Offensive Lineman in his first active collegiate season and named to The Sporting News Freshman All-America Team. Petitti was a second-team All-Big East Conference choice in 2002 and elevated that status to first-team All-Big East honors as a junior in 2003. He was a second-team All-American by The Sporting News and unanimous first-team All-Big East selection by the conference coaches in his final season.
ANALYSIS
Positives: Has a large, thick frame with good overall muscle development, but could stand to lose some body fat … Has thick arms, broad chest and shoulders, softness around the midsection, good bubble and outstanding leg thickness … Easily retains plays … Strong at the point of attack and shows good feet working near the line … Does a good job of sealing off and turning his man when working the corner … Hard to bring down thanks to his wide base, and while he may not move as well in the open, he has enough speed to get to the corner to neutralize the edge rusher … Shows good balance and will punch with authority … Plays with some nastiness and will look to finish blocks … Displays good knee bend and shows awareness to help inside on stunts or twists … Generates good pop on contact with his strong hands … Has the ability to pull and keep his feet on the move, which could see him shift to guard … Despite his size, he shows good acceleration getting to the second level and adjusting to the linebacker’s movement while keeping his feet … Has a very strong anchor with good kick-slide agility and the foot quickness to mirror in pass protection … Has the quickness to recover when beaten … Can explode into his blocks and knows how to use his size and strength to move defenders out … Very competitive and will play hurt.
Negatives: Has had a running battle controlling his weight, which causes him to get “dead legs” when having to move into the second level late in games … Solid, durable prospect, but is not the type that will excel in one area … Needs to improve his lower-body strength to be capable of working effectively on the move … Can generate a very strong hand punch, but tends to get a little too wide with his hands, which lets defenders get into his chest to rock him back … His lack of foot speed could see him shift to right tackle at the pro level, but his solid pulling ability also makes him a guard candidate … Will struggle at times against a good edge rush, but does flash some quickness to run his feet and wash the defender by the quarterback … Has the tools to be a solid blocker, but he needs to improve his foot quickness … When run blocking, he fails to show his power sometimes, getting overextended as he lunges to make the play … Waist bender with good tenacity as a pass protector, but when he exposes his chest, he can be neutralized and thrown to the side … Slow out of his stance at times and this causes him to fail to gain initial advantage.
INJURY REPORT
2004 — Was limited during spring drills due to offseason shoulder surgery, but was fully recovered for fall training camp.
2005 — Player did not participate in the agility tests at the combine due to a left big toe injury.
AGILITY
5.25 in the 40-yard dash … 400-pound bench press … 560-pound squat … 21 percent body fat … 34¾-inch arm length … 10-inch hands.
HIGH SCHOOL
Attended Rumson-Fairhaven (Rumson, N.J.) High School, playing football for coach Shane Fallon … Two-time first-team all-division, all-shore, all-county and All-New Jersey Group I pick … Three-year starter as a two-way lineman … Recorded 90 tackles over his last two seasons (43 as a senior and 47 as a junior) and was named Lombardi Award winner as the team’s top offensive lineman … Led the team to the 1998 division championship and the state playoffs, earning SuperPrep All-Northeast Region and PrepStar All-East Region accolades … Selected to play in the New Jersey vs. New York Governor’s Bowl … Lettered three times in football and twice in basketball.
PERSONAL
Administration of Justice major … Son of Judy and Bob Petitti … Father played football at Lafayette … Born Rob Christopher Petitti on May 21, 1982 … Resides in Rumson, N.J.
by David on Apr 24, 2005 3:10 PM CDT reply actions
Sorry Lou,
but we can’t trade compensatory picks.
nice to finally see a safety and an O-tackle come into camp.
Hey, Rafael, any guesses about where we go with number 224?
by J on Apr 24, 2005 3:11 PM CDT reply actions
is that S that we got any good?
give me some analysis please
by ryan on Apr 24, 2005 3:13 PM CDT reply actions
think its the guy kiper thought would be a 2nd-3rd rounder more of a ss i think
by mike on Apr 24, 2005 3:14 PM CDT reply actions
BP said he wants spears to lose 10 lbs and thatll happen, but does this OT need to lose much weight?
isnt bigger the better or no? how much would he have to lose to be effective or great?
by ryan on Apr 24, 2005 3:14 PM CDT reply actions
Kiper says the S is a heck of a pick and could have been a 3rd round pick he says he loves the pick
by Lou on Apr 24, 2005 3:15 PM CDT reply actions
the s we got had 21 tackles in a game last year said he shouldve went 3rd round and noone wouldve complained said they were good pick ups
by mike on Apr 24, 2005 3:15 PM CDT reply actions
Scouting Report: Justin Beriault
Position: S School: Ball State
Height: 6-3 Weight: 200 lbs.
A hard-nosed, tough, aggressive strong safety, Beriault will never allow his aggressiveness to compromise his discipline. He rarely gets beat due to his footwork and technique, and he has more range than his 40-time suggests. He diagnoses the run quickly, takes solid angles, fills hard and plays with reckless abandon. Beriault is a powerful open field tackler who rarely misses a tackle he should make. He likely will never develop into a fulltime contributor in defense in the NFL, due to his lack of ideal speed and athleticism, but he has the potential to be a solid reserve that can make a big contribution on special teams. If he’s not drafted, Beriault would be a solid player to bring in as an undrafted free agent.
by lilbeast on Apr 24, 2005 3:16 PM CDT reply actions
then y isnt he a 3rd rounder? what is his faults??
by ryan on Apr 24, 2005 3:16 PM CDT reply actions
Sounds like he will backup Roy and play special teams
by Lou on Apr 24, 2005 3:17 PM CDT reply actions
If the big OT we got loses 15 or so lbs, he’ll greatly improve his quickness, and if he can keep a steady weight (something it looks like he’s had problems with in the past) he could be in the fight for the starting RT spot next season—oh well—I’m out—but I’ll be back tomorrow—I hope we pick well with the last one
—GO ’BOYS!!!
by David on Apr 24, 2005 3:17 PM CDT reply actions
this is the safety
Strengths: Is a hard-nosed, tough, aggressive and powerful SS type. Has a great frame to continue to add bulk. He decent range in zone coverage and adequate straight-line speed. Shows excellent instincts and diagnostic skills. Makes his reads quickly. Is aggressive but disciplined. Won’t take a lot of false steps and takes good angles in pursuit. Has adequate ball skills in coverage. Is at his best, however, defending the run. He diagnoses the run quickly, takes solid angles, fills hard and plays with reckless abandon. He is a powerful tackler who also is solid in terms of his open-field tackling skills. Rarely misses a tackle he should make.
Weaknesses: Has adequate but not good speed. Has the frame to get bigger but needs to add the bulk and prove that he can play with the same quickness with extra mass. He is just a decent athlete. Is better coming forward than he is when forced to turn and run. Has adequate range in zone coverage for a SS, but lacks the catch up speed to make up for a mistake and doesn’t show great closing burst when chasing down the ball in the air. Also has limitations in man-coverage because of somewhat stiff hips and lack of ideal top-end speed.
Overall: Beriault is a fifth-year senior that redshirted in 2000 and has been a fulltime starter since his redshirt freshman season in 2001. As a junior in 2003, he led the Cardinals in total tackles with 145, including six TFL, one INT and six PBU. He continued to be extremely productive as a senior in 2004, as he finished with 125 tackles, five TFL, one INT, one PBU and one fumble recovery. Beriault is a classic blue-collar strong safety prospect. He is lean but has the frame to get bigger. He has decent speed and lacks ideal athleticism, but he is as tough, instinctive and active as it gets. Beriault likely will never develop into a fulltime contributor on defense in the NFL but he has the potential to be an adequate reserve that can keep a roster spot by making a big contribution on special teams. After an impressive combine workout, Beriault’s stock is on the rise and it wouldn’t surprise us if he came off the board somewhere in the fifth-through-sixth round range of the upcoming draft.
by mike on Apr 24, 2005 3:17 PM CDT reply actions
i think it was stupid, roy dont need a backup as much as we need a FS or WR, SS is not a needed position…or is it
by ryan on Apr 24, 2005 3:18 PM CDT reply actions
Never heard of the guy but Kiper had great things to say about Beireault
by MdCowboyFan on Apr 24, 2005 3:18 PM CDT reply actions
Prospect Profile: Rob Petitti
By TFY Draft Preview
Date: Mar 31, 2005
Rob Petitti School: Pittsburgh
Ht: 6-6 Wt: 347 40: 5.26 Year: 5Sr
Bio: Four-year starter who became the teamâ€â"¢s regular at left tackle as a red-shirt freshman. All-Conference selection every season since his sophomore campaign and named as an All- American last year.
Positives: Massive, wide-bodied lineman tough to get around. Sets with a wide base, fights with his hands and easily controls opponents at the point. Outstanding position blocker who makes effective use of angles. Blocks down well or engulfs opponents. Gets movement from run blocks and displays a good head for the position, with top blocking awareness. Keeps his feet moving in pass protection, effectively places his hands into opponents and anchors at the point. Flashes a mean streak.
Negatives: Lacks footwork sliding out protecting the edge, lumbers in motion and does not play with balance. Looks poorly conditioned and not explosive off the snap. Stands to improve the strength of his base and at times does more arm wrestling rather than driving defenders off the ball.
Analysis: Productive on the college level, Petitti possesses the skills and instincts to start in the NFL. Disappoints scouts as they feel he is a lazy prospect who prefers to get by on natural abilities rather then take his game to the next level. Could develop into a dominant tackle if he commits himself to conditioning, weight room work and intense play for sixty minutes on Sundays.
by Thomas on Apr 24, 2005 3:18 PM CDT reply actions
Prospect Profile: Justin Beriault
By TFY Draft Preview
Date: Mar 27, 2005
Justin Beriault School: Ball State
Ht: 6-2.5 Wt: 204 40: 4.61 Year: 5Sr
Bio: Four-year starter who played 45 games with the first unit in college and received All- Conference honors the past two seasons. Led the team in tackles as a senior posting 125/1/1 after a junior campaign of 145/1/6. Solid special teams player.
Positives: Nice-sized free safety with an excellent head for the ball. Instinctive, quickly diagnoses the action and very productive. Solid run defender who explodes up the field and wraps up the ball handler. Forces the action and hard hitting.
Negatives: Lacks top cover skills and does not make many plays against the pass. Does not display sideline-to-sideline range and best in a straight line.
Analysis: A hard-working prospect, Beriault has potential as a backup in a two-deep or zone system. Must earn his wage on special teams, an area where heâ€â"¢s had success.
by Thomas on Apr 24, 2005 3:19 PM CDT reply actions
the question seems to be his speed, anybody got a 40-time on the guy?
by J on Apr 24, 2005 3:20 PM CDT reply actions
Bill will tell Petitti what to weigh……..this came from Pasquerelli he saw this kid shut down Dwight Freeney. He is one of those guys that has a hech of a lot of potential if he does the work. Throw him in their with the other guys who knows he could be the next Erik Williams.
Beriault played SS right? Looks like a Special Teams guy and maybe a backup to Roy. He sounds almost like a linebacker………mabye bill tells him to pack on 25 lbs of muscle and he has yet another guy in the box. Does not look like our starting FS but hey who knows.
by Jon on Apr 24, 2005 3:20 PM CDT reply actions
larry allen was overweight 2 yrs ago and bill tok care of that so pettite might be the same way
by mike on Apr 24, 2005 3:21 PM CDT reply actions
I know I keep sayng this, but if we were going to take a SS, why not Shazor out of Michigan? I’m not crazy about those 2 picks. I think there were better players available. Perhaps Munoz or Browner will be there at 224
by Ted on Apr 24, 2005 3:22 PM CDT reply actions
Well pretty solid in the beginning and middle and now some prospects with some skills at the end…BP can get Petitti in shape and get him focused like Adams…Beriault seems like a reral reach…
I guess WR (7th rd pick) is the last piece of this puzzle…
by Thomas on Apr 24, 2005 3:23 PM CDT reply actions
and good special teamers as well, he might be a good backup for roy or never know may make a good fs we will see this year what happens remember we are in the 6th and 7th round to, you mainly look for depth now.
by mike on Apr 24, 2005 3:23 PM CDT reply actions
7th round good spot to take a chance on someone like that
by mike on Apr 24, 2005 3:24 PM CDT reply actions
He was the next best player on Kiper’s board when we took him.
by MdCowboyFan on Apr 24, 2005 3:26 PM CDT reply actions
good backup’s are essential, but 4.61?
that’s slower than our LB’s.
i’ve had enough of the slow, but smart safties (Scott, Dixon).
we really must be looking ahead at June cuts and your never in as good of shape as you think if your looking for other peoples cast-offs.
by J on Apr 24, 2005 3:26 PM CDT reply actions
prolly take the best player available no matter who it is…
by mike on Apr 24, 2005 3:27 PM CDT reply actions
Hey guys what would you think of Deion Sanders as our FS.
by lilbeast on Apr 24, 2005 3:28 PM CDT reply actions
4.61 isnt that bad, alot of people play faster then there times are, if i remember right emmitt was slow as well, we all know what happened there
by mike on Apr 24, 2005 3:28 PM CDT reply actions
i like the idea of beriult going to LB
any thoughts??
by ryan on Apr 24, 2005 3:29 PM CDT reply actions
Kiper said Beriault is solid player who could have arguably gone in the third.
They also said, if I heard correctly, that Petitti allowed zero or one sack last season “which will get you drafted”, to quote Suzy
by StarStruck on Apr 24, 2005 3:29 PM CDT reply actions
deion is playing in BALT still, hes gonna be there this year
by ryan on Apr 24, 2005 3:29 PM CDT reply actions
we had a safety once………that was slow……..and was not on anybodys radar………..but turned out to be one hech of a football player
Bill Bates……….maybe Beirault is that kind of Special Teamer…..he seems to show no regard for his body………in taking on blockers and tacklers……….Bill wanted Catalytic guys that cause turnovers last time i looked you can use those guys on kickoffs, returns, punts, field Goals and this kid may just be that kind of guy……
by Jon on Apr 24, 2005 3:30 PM CDT reply actions
lilbeast, Where did you hear that? I dont think Jerr or Bill will go for that….but is sounds crazy and nice
by manuel on Apr 24, 2005 3:30 PM CDT reply actions
StarStruck,
She said, " …. (holding Dwight Freeny to 0 sacks) that will get you drafted".
by Eric on Apr 24, 2005 3:31 PM CDT reply actions
Ernest Shazor
S | (6’3", 228, 4.7) | MICHIGAN
Scouts Grade: 85
Flags: (S: SPEED) Player lacks ideal speed at position
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Strengths: Is at his best supporting the run. Has excellent size and strength. Matches up physically as an “in the box” safety. Can sift through traffic, uses his hands well, and is big and strong enough to take on blockers. Shows good closing burst for a SS/OLB type, and is a powerful tackler. Loves to hit and will throw his body around the field. Also is adept at supporting the run from the high-point. Fills hard and does an adequate job of tackling in space. Has decent range in zone coverage. Is at his best in underneath coverage as an “in the box” SS type. If he makes correct reads and avoids false steps he can handle deep-half coverage as a cover-2 safety. Also is physical in man-to-man coverage with the size, strength and athletic ability to match up versus most TE’s one-on-one. If he has momentum going and is closing in with a good pursuit angle, he shows good closing burst and rarely comes up short. He really explodes through the ball carrier/receiver in the short area when he has the play lined up. Has decent ball skills for a SS/OLB type. Has big hands and does a decent job of plucking the ball before it gets into his pads. Times his jumps well and does an adequate job of adjusting to the ball in the air.
Weaknesses: Is athletic for his size but has marginal speed and is limited in coverage. The more ground he is responsible for the less reliable he becomes. His hips are a bit stiff and he is long-legged. He struggles to match up man-to-man versus quicker RB’s and slot WR’s. Gets turned around too easily and loses too much in transition when trying to recover. Takes too long to build top-end speed. Has improved with more experience but still below average in terms of his overall recognition skills. He reads the run quickly and does a very good job of finding the football and getting too it. The problem, however, is that he can be over-aggressive and will get caught out of position. He bites too often on the play-fake and still takes too many false steps. His pursuit angles are inconsistent and he still will miss too many open field tackles. If he’s forced to change directions or stop-and-start, he takes too much time in transition to catch-up after making a mistake. Does have a tendency to seek out the big hit rather than playing the ball at times, but not as frequently as many other of his kind in this class.
Overall: Shazor redshirted in 2001 and played in defensive sub-packages and on special teams in 12 games as a redshirt freshman in 2002. He took over as a fulltime starting SS in 2003 and finished the year with 57 total tackles, eight tackles for loss, two sacks, five passes broken up and two interceptions. Shazor led the Wolverines with 84 total tackles in 2004. He also had 10 tackles for loss, two interceptions, two forced fumbles and two fumble recoveries. Shazor is much more in the mold of Thomas Davis (Georgia) and might also need to make a move to outside linebacker in the NFL depending on the defensive philosophy of the team that drafts him. Regardless, Shazor is a hard-hitter and shows good range in run support. He has limitations in coverage but can be effective if protected underneath because he’s intimidating with good ball skills. In our opinion, Shazor is the third rated safety prospect behind Davis and Brodney Pool (Oklahoma), and he should wind up coming off the board somewhere in the mid-to-late range of the second round.
by mike on Apr 24, 2005 3:31 PM CDT reply actions
do you guys remember there were rumors about us trying to get WR Corey Bradford. He wouldn’t be a bad addition to our team.
by lilbeast on Apr 24, 2005 3:33 PM CDT reply actions
David Boston might be worth the risk at WR/TE if he would follow the Parcells way………he would not layoff the weights in Miami or the Roids…….but he is a big target……..
by Jon on Apr 24, 2005 3:33 PM CDT reply actions
Yeah somethings up with Shazor, why else wpuld he still be there? If the Raiders take him, we all know he failed a drug test or sumptin.
by Eric on Apr 24, 2005 3:34 PM CDT reply actions
i liked boston in arizona but hes had alot of problems with injuries due to the roinds (im sure) but if he could stay healthy and off the roids he could ok but i doubt bill or jerry would go for it
by mike on Apr 24, 2005 3:34 PM CDT reply actions
Boston is poison. wouldn’t touch him. he is a baby and only plays for himself. add that to being on the juice, etc and he is a team killer. STAY AWAY!!!
by Ted on Apr 24, 2005 3:36 PM CDT reply actions
I know everybody has their favorite,
but i was sure our guy had to be that TRUE FS out of GT,
James Butler, 6-3, 210lbs.
the only knocks i hear come from his technique, which can be fixed.
really good athelete. why not him?
any info, Mike?
by J on Apr 24, 2005 3:38 PM CDT reply actions
James Butler
S | (6’1", 213, 4.59) | GEORGIA TECH
Scouts Grade: 59
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Strengths: Has good height and the frame to get bigger. Is effective versus the run. He takes good angles to the ball and is a fine open field tackler. Rarely will miss an open-field tackle and is extremely productive in run support. Is smooth and has good quickness. Has the size to matchup against taller receivers one-on-one. Is at his best in zone. Has adequate-to-good range in zone coverage. Is a huge playmaker when the ball is in the air. Has long arms, good leaping ability and soft hands. Is a fine student and has good intelligence.
Weaknesses: Tall but somewhat lanky. Lacks ideal overall strength, especially in his lower body. Has adequate but not good speed. Is high-cut and lacks ideal COD skills. Has trouble rebounding from false steps. Will have some trouble matching up against smaller and quicker slot receivers in the NFL. Is intelligent but still lacks good recognition skills. Did not improve as much as expected during his senior season. Effort seems to be a bit inconsistent.
Overall: Butler played a limited role as a backup free safety in his first two seasons at Georgia Tech from 2001-‘02. He then had a breakout season as a first-year starter as a junior in 2003, finishing with 149 total tackles, seven TFL, five INT’s, nine PBU, three forced fumbles and a blocked kick. As a senior in 2004, Butler finished second on the team with 97 tackles and had 2.5 TFL, two INT’s, four PBU, one forced fumble and one blocked kick. He also was a two-time Academic All-ACC, a two-time first-team all-ACC honoree, and a two-time semifinalist for the Jim Thorpe Award, given to the nation’s top defensive back. Butler still needs to add some bulk to his frame and can improve his overall strength. Also, while his speed is adequate, it is not great and it will limit him in terms of certain man-to-man matchups in the NFL. Butler does have a good frame and continues to fill it out. He is productive versus the run and he also has adequate range in zone coverage. Butler had a decent senior season but he failed to take his game to the next level. It seems that his effort is inconsistent at times and that his diagnostic skills have failed to develop as quickly as one would expect for such an intelligent young person. As a result, Butler is a bit of a “risk-and-reward” type prospect. He certainly has shown flashes but not enough consistency or playmaking skills to bother with in the first four rounds of the draft.
by mike on Apr 24, 2005 3:40 PM CDT reply actions
not bad a weakness is hes lanky id like that weakness , long arms ?
by mike on Apr 24, 2005 3:41 PM CDT reply actions
anyone else play the lil games at the bottom? like shoot the rabbit??
by mike on Apr 24, 2005 3:42 PM CDT reply actions
Petitti and Tucker give us the physical abilities to have starting RT,
maybe the combination of competition and the guidance of Rivera will finally solidify the RT spot, and therefore, the rest of the O-line.
you think jerry will wait till after the commercial to announce his pick?
by J on Apr 24, 2005 3:43 PM CDT reply actions
Jay Ratliff
DT | (6’3", 275, 4.81) | AUBURN
Scouts Grade: 30
Flags: (B: BULK/SIZE) Lacks size/bulk for position(D: DURABILITY) Player that can’t stay healthy Selected by: Dallas Cowboys
Round: 7
Pick (Overall): 10(224)
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Strengths: Has excellent quickness and speed as an interior player. Thrived in his move from DE to DT. Has good anticipation skills and gets off the ball quickly. Gets consistent penetration and shows the burst to get through the LOS and disrupt. He has good COD skills and agility at the DT position. Flashes closing burst as a pass rusher and in pursuit. Is an experienced, tough and competitive player. A “team” guy and very “coachable”
Weaknesses: Will never be more than a situational pass-rushing DT in the NFL. He lacks ideal athleticism and speed to make an impact at DE. He also lacks the bulk and base to play a consistent role at DT. He gets pushed around too much when reached. Needs to play with more consistent leverage. Needs to be on the move to be effective. Cannot hold his ground when teams run at him. Needs to improve his array of pass rush moves. Also has had some durability issues.
Overall: Ratliff attended Hargrave Military Academy in 2000. He started his career at Auburn as a TE in 2001. Moved to DE in 2002 and started eight of the 12 games he played in. Played nine games at DE in 2003 but missed time that season because of shoulder, ankle and knee injuries. He moved to DT as a senior in 2004 and finished with 37 total tackles, four TFL and one sack. Ratliff is a ‘tweener DE/DT prospect that moved from DE to DT late in his career and enjoyed great success as an interior one-gap penetrating lineman as a senior. Ratliff does not have the speed or athleticism to make an impact on the perimeter in the NFL. He also lacks the size and strength to play a consistent role at DT in the NFL. However, Ratliff has enough quickness, speed, instincts and motor to compete for playing time as a situational interior pass rusher at the next level. If Ratliff isn’t taken in the final couple of rounds of the 2005 draft he should become a priority undrafted free agent signing.
by mike on Apr 24, 2005 3:44 PM CDT reply actions
Look’s like we may get alot of pressure on the QB this year.
by MdCowboyFan on Apr 24, 2005 3:45 PM CDT reply actions
What do you know another guy suited to play a couple of places on the line and the 3/4.
gotta like having one of those auburn tigers.
by J on Apr 24, 2005 3:45 PM CDT reply actions
Prospect Profile: Jay Ratliff
By TFY Draft Preview
Date: Mar 27, 2005
Jay Ratliff School: Auburn
Ht: 6-3.5 Wt: 275 40: 4.88 Year: 4Sr
Bio: Starter two of the past three seasons, posting 37/4/1 as a senior. Moved to defensive tackle as a senior after primarily playing the end position since his freshman campaign.
Positives: Undersized yet athletic lineman who improved his play as a senior. Leverage defender who stays low to the ground, quickly changes direction and displays the ability to immediately alter his angle of attack. Plays with balance, forward lean and rarely off his feet. Showed marked improvement reading and diagnosing the action last year. Works his hands to stay off blocks, pursues laterally and displays speed to the flanks. Fluid changing direction and makes plays up and down the line of scrimmage.
Negatives: Small for a defensive tackle, handled by opponents and turned off the line of scrimmage. Several durability issues prior to his senior campaign.
Analysis: A potential late bloomer, Ratliff capped off a fine senior campaign with an excellent showing in the East-West game this past January. Has the ability to backup at several positions in the NFL and could be used as a three-technique tackle or left defensive end. Must continue to stay healthy and progress, but has solid upside for the next level.
by Thomas on Apr 24, 2005 3:45 PM CDT reply actions
Gee ya think the problem was the d-line last year. Bill said that was going to be fixed and boy was it ever.FINALLY
by Derrick on Apr 24, 2005 3:46 PM CDT reply actions
decent speed to me according to the 40 times, 4.88, 4.81
by mike on Apr 24, 2005 3:46 PM CDT reply actions
ight guys i had fun chattin with all of you guys. on paper the draft looks good, we will see this coming year. later everyone.
by mike on Apr 24, 2005 3:47 PM CDT reply actions
any news from Mike Zimmer about how he feels about the changes?
is his job in jeapordy from another Bill-guy?
by J on Apr 24, 2005 3:49 PM CDT reply actions
As mentioned previously…how are we going to keep all these DE, DT, LB on the roster?
If he does not get drafted any chance they may try and sign Brandon Browner as a free agent and give him a chnace to compete…must be something about him everyone knows and doesn’t like?
by Thomas on Apr 24, 2005 3:52 PM CDT reply actions
why did we get another dt, i mean i love the picks we have had so far. but why not get munoz instead of petitti, then when browner and shazor are still there. i am a huge cowboys fan but i ? their late round picks.
by justin on Apr 24, 2005 3:52 PM CDT reply actions
There is definetly going to be a shakeup on the roster to get the best d-line on the field, it is going to be intersting which veterans don’t make the cut.
and as far as free agent invitees go, there should be some exciting announcements made- there are just too many available people not to find at least one gem.
by J on Apr 24, 2005 3:56 PM CDT reply actions
Hey, what are the chances that Pete Hunter will play safety for us? I know that he doesn’t want to, but if he were a team player, I think that he could be a great fs, tall, fast. He could easily slide into the slot of 3-4 receiver sets. Any thoughts?
by BlueCheese on Apr 24, 2005 3:57 PM CDT reply actions
Any news on safety?
Just a thought: Parcells was reported to promise Maurice Clarrett that Dallas would take him with their 4th round selection if he were there. Is there any chance there is some kind of secret arrangement with Ty Law?
I mean not addressing safety in the draft? Law is still unsigned? Probably playing for a team with a chance to win, that he will make a difference, may be inticing to Ty, not to mention the allure Parcells has with his former players. If Law came to big D to play, winning a Super Bowl with Parcells and Bledsoe (two more guys Bellichick stabbed in the back) would be the sweetest revenge!
by Eric on Apr 24, 2005 3:59 PM CDT reply actions
whether Pete plays safety or not remains to be seen.
Lance Frazier is the perfect slot cover-guy in nickel situations, there is no telling how many people will be rotated after each snap- we could have nine guys sub-in after each play, depending on the situation
by J on Apr 24, 2005 4:01 PM CDT reply actions
i just don’t see how we could bring in Law,
unless BILL, is positive he will be healthy and it just seems like such a reach. has there been any solid info on this or our we just dreaming Bill can bring in another former player and squeeze something out of him?
by J on Apr 24, 2005 4:04 PM CDT reply actions
The answer to the question we are all asking…
Jeremy, Rochester, NY: Where do we stand at safety?
Dallas,com: Safety? They stand on thin ice. They need one. Let’s see if they take Sean Considine of Iowa here with their fourth-round pick. If not, hard to imagine a draft choice taken later would be ready or talented enough to start as a rookie. And if that’s the case, they still will have to see what’s left in free agency.
nuff said…
by Thomas on Apr 24, 2005 4:06 PM CDT reply actions
Just a thought. I thought we had chances to address our safety need.
by Eric on Apr 24, 2005 4:06 PM CDT reply actions
Eric,
I suggested the Law thing a month or so back. I think it is a possibility but his money is going to be too high. He would have to agree to less pay, but it could happen with his injury. He could be FS or CB. One other thing a guy like that helps a guy like Newman and Henry learn and teach. Law also worked as a Referee with the NFL for some thing or other. Smart player………do not know if it is realistic but it would be sweet.
by Jon on Apr 24, 2005 4:08 PM CDT reply actions
we sure did have chances and from this draft on the New Orleans franchise have made an enemy, ME.
i don’t know how big we were on Josh Bullocks, but before the aints stole him i was positive we had him on the plane down to the ranch.
he was the perfect fit for pick #42 and he went to NO at #40.
still makes me sick.
by J on Apr 24, 2005 4:10 PM CDT reply actions
Does anyone know what’s up with Shazor? Why would he drop so far? Most mocks I had seen had him 2nd behind Thomas Davis at his position.
by Eric on Apr 24, 2005 4:11 PM CDT reply actions
Here’s an interesteing tidbit on Ratliff:
Wexells’ Value Board: 2005 NFL Draft DL
By Jim Wexell Senior Editor
Date: Apr 16, 2005
Sixth Round – Jay Ratliff (6-5, 293, 4.85 campus) of Auburn was a “tweener” – not quite a 4-3 end and not quite a 4-3 tackle, and that makes him a 3-4 end. A former tight end, Ratliff is a project, but a player on the rise.
by Thomas on Apr 24, 2005 4:13 PM CDT reply actions
Speaking of taking picks right before we are set to take ’em. Philly two years in a row? (Andrews last year rd#1, Considine this year)
by Eric on Apr 24, 2005 4:15 PM CDT reply actions
Might eventualy save a roster spot. Maybe practice team this year though.
by Eric on Apr 24, 2005 4:16 PM CDT reply actions
Eric, i know you keep asking, but it is a good question.
Why DID Shazor drop?
by J on Apr 24, 2005 4:18 PM CDT reply actions
J,
On Shazor: The most intriguing rationale I’ve seen is from Randy Mueller, the former Saints GM who now is on ESPN. He said Shazor is caught in a strange vortex: he’s too slow and stiff to be a safety, but too small to be a linebacker, especially in these days when more teams are going 3-4. Still, you think someone ranked as high as him would get taken in the late rounds. Must be some personal history black mark we’ve not been made aware of.
by Rafael Vela on Apr 24, 2005 4:24 PM CDT reply actions
Great draft!Look’s to be the best of anyone on paper,yet some of you still find fault.
Free safty by far is the least important positon on defense,don’t get me wrong u need a player back there.U give me a front 7 that can get to the QB and i’ll give u 4 guy’s on the roster now that will make a good fs.
by MdCowboyFan on Apr 24, 2005 4:29 PM CDT reply actions
Thanks, Mr. Vela.
not only for the information on Shazor, but on providing the best source for Cowboy news found anywhere.
by J on Apr 24, 2005 4:33 PM CDT reply actions
I Have come to have a alot of respect for Zimmer,
any words about his future with the team, can he hold off the pressure of former BILL D-coordinators and keep his job?
by J on Apr 24, 2005 4:40 PM CDT reply actions
Zimmer is well liked by Bill……….Jerry asked Bill to take a look at him……Bill said……….he reminds him of Belichek……..that is about as good a compliment as Parcells pays to anyone………
And depending on how you look at it…….he might well of been the best D coordinator in the league two years ago……especially considering the talent level he had on the team…….
by Jon on Apr 24, 2005 5:16 PM CDT reply actions
Yes it always seems reporters and media create their own news when it comes to Jerry and Bill and their relationship. Right before the draft even, it was rumored that Bill wants this and Jerry wants that, and the partnership is about to come to an explosive ending. We have all heard about how their two strong personalities won’t, and can’t coexist. The Cowboys now have Keyshawn, Ferguson, Richie Anderson, Bledsoe, etc. and now the 3-4! There is no secret who is calling the shots. The BEST coach in the NFL!!! I just wanted to say it does take a lot to merge two personalities, and Jerry and Bill have done a very nice job. It seems to me that they both treat people that work for them and with them with a bunch of respect. Parcells puts a heck of a lot of effort into what he does, and during Dallas’ predraft press conference if you listened carefully you could hear how much JJ appreciated that. On the flip side, Parcells does put countless hours in, and he demands his coordinators to do the same, but he too appreciates his coaches and players giving it their all. Parcells is often looked at as a strict general, known for his tyrants on the sidelines with his players, especially Phil Simms. Ironically, its players like Simms that respect him the most. The former Giants’ quarterback sometimes tears up when talking about Parcells, kind of like a little boy talking about the dad he loves so dearly. The thing that always gets me … during his entire time in New England, Bill Bellichick never even acknowledged his mentor! Never said thanks to the guy who I am quite sure treated him like a son.
You asked about Zimmer, well if he is ever on that Super Bowl podium, I hope he can look back and say, “Thank you Bill!!”
by Eric on Apr 24, 2005 5:55 PM CDT reply actions
That is only because little Bill still has to play Big Bill, and little Bill left the family. Remember Jets Coach rockets to NE.
But great points. JJ has eaten some crowe, and basically his hiring of BP was an admission he needed help. He was not as talented or as responsible for the sucess of the Dallas Cowboys as he thought he was. Jimmy had an awful lot to do with it.
Nonetheless, anybody that watched the HBO special on Training Camp a few years ago. Watched Brian Billick at Baltimore and then Jones and Campo at Dallas. Jerry was classy with everybody and spoke to them all when they were released. Billick was an as*&^*& to em all and just said pack your bag and leave the property. I think that eventually comes back to a person in spades.
by Jon on Apr 24, 2005 7:56 PM CDT reply actions
Funny I was going to bring up the same point about JJ and the HBO Training Camp releases. Just listening to Jerry sometimes, I mean the guy has so much money, so much fame, and he seems to honestly care about the people around him. The same with Parcells and his players and coordinators. When Parcells said, after beating Carolina two years ago, “You can’t call them losers anymore!” It brought a tear to my eye. ….
Another little story about Parcells:
I am from NJ, Giants’ land. So in 1990 he was as big as it gets around here. Dallas played the Giants for the 2nd time that year, and Emmitt was starting to emerge as their tailback. It was early in the year and Dallas was something like 1-5, and fresh off their 1-15 season. I will never forget, at the end the end of that game, Parcells gestured to Jimmy Johnson to keep his chin up. I was 13 years old then and that stuck with me my entire life. This football giant, a living legend from these parts, was human enough to stop and take the time consider his opponent’s effort. A classic show of sportsmanship.
Getting back to now, I am quite sure it hurts him, more than it gets him mad, that Bellichick never even thanked him. I would just love to see Parcells win a Super Bowl with Dallas.
by Eric on Apr 24, 2005 10:33 PM CDT reply actions
Is there now any question that Parcells will fill out his four year deal? Yeah, the mediots will try to sell us on the idea that Parcells will bail if this year is a failure, yada, yada, yada. But how often have you heard that he’s leaving early from guys who swear they know how he’s thinking?
The guy never talks to the press. How can they know any more about what’s in his mind than you or I?
But back to the draft. The remark I heard from Jerry that resonated tonight is that they felt they were able to get two drafts worth of linemen in one. If they’ve hit on these guys, even if it takes half a season to get the rotations together, what would they need in ’06? A wide receiver? A nickel cornerback?
Before we get too bent out of shape about free safety, let’s remember that in ‘92, the Cowboys didn’t have their starter on the roster opening day. Ray Horton was the FS for the first six games and after it was clear that the team was good but he was not going to cut it, they got Thomas Everett from Pittsburgh for what, a fifth rounder?
Free safety, Ed Reed and Brian Dawkins aside, is not a marquee position in the NFL. Given the scheme Dallas plays, you don’t need the second coming of Cliff Harris. You need the second coming of Brock Marion — a guy who is a steady Eddie, who gets in the right position and makes the tackles.
IOW, the type of guy you can obtain through a trade for a mid-round pick.
by Rafael Vela on Apr 24, 2005 11:10 PM CDT reply actions
I think Beriault can be a good fs with the proper coaching you can teach him to fit into the system and keep plays in front of him. I think parcells will finish his contract if your going to buy the grocerys why not stay around for dinner. Anybody think Ellis will get traded. We now have 4 ends that fit the 3-4 Spears, Canty, Ratliff, Coleman LaFavor (DT size of DE)and even Glover. Ferguson, Carson and Blade can play tackle that leaves us a couple of de’s over need. Ware’s ability to play end or lb we can count him as a de in the 4-3 and a lb in 3-4. I say Ellis because he has the most trade value and has said he see’s himself as a 4-3 de. If either Ogbogu or DeRonde show the slightest pass rushing ability then Ellis might find himself on the block which might be best for him. If he wants to be ONLY a 4-3 end then we can get a extra pick next year for him and I know just the team that could use him. The Seattle Seachickens. Or if Beriault doesn’t work out then trade him to pick up a free safety.
by LaMonte on Apr 25, 2005 3:11 AM CDT reply actions
Keep a Star on the Side of Ellis………he was our Sack leader…….is a Sunday School Teacher…….and Class Act. He will play 4-3 which we will play……..and he could bang around in there on some 3-4…….just not every down. Ware, Spears, Burnett, Canty are yet to take a snap or make the team. You do not hand over the reigns just yet. Sure they all look like STUDS……….Canty might be th steal of the draft if he is healthy……..he probably goes late 1st or early 2nd without his injuries.
The media all said Jones/Parcells was going to be explosive. Other than the comments from Jerry last year about Henson, I hear no criticism of Parcells by Jerry. Jerry basically has been quiet and gone on the back burner and let Bill face the music of the media. You look at the draft war room and you see Jerry’s respect and admiration for Bill. Jerry is a Salesman at heart, and he was SOLD by Parcells on his ability knowledge and skill. Give Jerry credit for getting Bill, and for believing in the guy. We could have a nut job like Snyder…………..signing every overpaid veteran former pro bowl at the twilight of their career………
Besides remember when we were trying to get FAs to come to dallas with Switzer, Campor or Gailiey…….none of em came……but guys like Ferguson come to the Cowboys…….even old retreads like Adrian Murrel and the impressive Richie Anderson…….who even lost weight and got a lot of carries for a guy his age at Tailback. Parcells telling the media “You can’t call em losers anymore.” Did bring a tear to many eyes……..he is hard on his guys………and expects a lot……….but when they get the job done his compliements and support mean more than anything to these guys.
Bill and Jerry are both class acts. Jerry was making calls to owners and teams after he cut players saying this and that about the kid…….not the way Billick treated his guys. I though a lot of Parcells when he was in NYG. Although his defense was awesome, I thought he often beat better teams in San Francisco 49ers by motivating his players. He told his team they did not even need to play the game because the 9ers had already sent their equipment to New Orleans(i think) for the Super Bowl. He basically let em know they had no respect from the likes of Bill Walsh and Joe Montana. Anybody remember the result? Montana injury………Giants victorious.
I think Bill will finish out his contract. I also think he moves into the GM spot and names Zimmer to succeed him after they win the Super Bowl. If Jerry and Stephen and Junior are smart they will keep Bill on the roster.
In the years to come Lil Bill and Big Bill will have a reunion of sorts. Where both talk glowingly about each other. However, Belichek is a bit of prodigal son……..just yet to come home. But he will.
by Jon on Apr 25, 2005 9:14 AM CDT reply actions
Hey don’t be suprised if Ellis plays LB in some of our 3-4 sets during preseason to see what he can offer there. I don’t think we trade him. When a lineman chases a RB down, 10 yards up field on the opposite side of the field and makes the tackle, and also leads the team in sacks, he is worth finding a place to pay. Parcells traded Hugh Douglass because Douglass wasn’t willing to make sacrifices for the team. On the flip side, Ellis seems to be Parcells favorite player in Big D, because Ellis never gives up on a play and always is willing to do what’s best for the team. You don’t cut a guy like that loose and still have the respect of your players like Parcells obviously has with his. ….. Ellis is the type of player, that if Parcells did tell him that Dallas was thinking of trading him, Ellis would say, “Come on coach, I’ll play safety if you need me to.”
by Eric on Apr 25, 2005 2:54 PM CDT reply actions
Jon,
Nicely said! If Dallas does win a Super Bowl, JJ should really think about giving Parcells a part of the team. Parcells has done so much for the franchises he’s coached for before, and yet has never found a family he can call his own. Perenial losers were the Giants, Pats, and Jets!! He has a home in Dallas, hopefully until he is ready to call it quits. Thank you Bill!!
by Eric on Apr 25, 2005 3:10 PM CDT reply actions
For those that have never been to a Dallas home game, make the time. I make about 3/year being just an hour and a half from the stadium. No better spectator experience. By the way, great draft.
by Josh on Apr 25, 2005 3:31 PM CDT reply actions

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