Cowboys to Obtain Aaron Glenn

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Hunter decides that now there is no chance for him to start at CB, even in the slot, so he agrees to go to camp as a FS to compete for the starting spot there. Remember, even if he does go with the idea, there is no guarantee that he will start. If that is the case though, then he probably will be done. I think BP will consider the team in rebuilding mode for at least another season or two (which means I also think he’ll get a new contract from JJ (Jerry), and stick around in Dallas for a while), so he will probably try to keep some younger guys who buy into his system over veterans (hate using that word for Hunter, doesn’t deserve it) like Pete. But we will see.

By the way, I think nabbing Glenn, even if he only here for depth, is a good idea. Another player who will gladly finish his solid career with his favorite coach BP (see Fergusen, Glenn (Terry), KJ, etc…). These guys are good to have on the team even if they don’t play, because they can help the younger players to understand what BP preaches and exactly what they need to do. In other words, good signing.

I totally disagree with this move. We need youth. I know at one time Glenn was an excellent CB, however, that was one time. Too old and small. This is the one area where I have disagreement with BP, let your old war buddies go off into the sunset. So no to Glenn.

I agree with David, I think is a great pick-up the guy is savy vet that can contribute on the field and in the locker room.

Man, I am glad I decided to keep my season tickets. It was more of a financial decision than not being a die-hard fan. So far on paper we should drastic improvement on “D” from a year. Keep it up Tuna & JJ!!

Come on Darrell. We have almost no one behind Henry & Newman as back-ups. How can u not like this move? Last time I looked young even avg. CB’s weren’t gonna play for peanuts. Hell Henry got a $10 mill. bonus and he isn’t even an all-pro. I give this two thumbs up. I don’t see how others keep saying we could land Ty Law, I am sure he wouldn’t sign for peanuts. I would have loved to have Law but I don’t think he is finacially feasible.

were we that upset with what frazier showed us that he doesn’t get the chance to grow into the nickel back we need?

i’m not saying he didn’t make mistakes, but i thought he showed enough to at least be considered for the role.

and the coaches seem big on jones and reeves,
does someone else in addition to hunter get the boot to make room for glenn?

J

And what if Frazier fails after getting that chance? We live with that for the rest of the season? Under Parcells this is the kind of chance you get. He always says that he is going to keep bringing them in and if you want to play than you rise to the top. This is a good pick up. It adds another veteran and more depth.

Darell
We picked up our youth on the weekend.

Don’t think this means Frazier is done, think about this—Glenn hasn’t played the in the slot, so he may just back up Newman and Henry. Frazier may get the “starting” nod at slot CB—of course, Bruce Thornton, Jacques Reeves, and even Pete Hunter (though I doubt it) could also end up playing there. It all depends on who plays the best, and who can show BP what he wants to see. Friday, when we know which UFA’s we nabbed for the rookie mini-camp, and June 1st (we might cut people as well) are going to be pretty good indicators of what were goin to do—keep them circled on the calendars.

—-Just an idea, but I know Detroit just released WR Az-Zahir Akeem since he will take catches away from the youngen’s. He might be able to provide some depth at WR if BP were so inclined. Just thought I’d throw that in to comfort y’all who still think WR is our top need

that is a great Idea but I was thinking Marion back in Silver and Blue wouldn’t be a bad idea also. Anybody

(1) I do like Parcell’s self-proclaimed approach: you come to camp, you compete for a spot and if you’re the best, you’re on the field, no matter who you are.

However, I’ve a hard time trusting Bill to be a fair judge of talent when one of his old boys are involved. That’s what worries me about Aaron Glenn. Bill seems to be able to recall the “type” of player someone was for him extremely well. He puts a lot of trust into these memories and he fears the unknown that you get with young, unproven players.

This is most true with the non-battle for #1 QB last season.

Will history repeat itself with Glenn in the secondary ahead of Frazier or Bruce Thornton? If so, this could hurt the development of our young guys. That would be a disappointment.

Pete Hunter?

I would have bet against the boys trading or cutting Hunter. However, now that I’ve heard Jerry say “probably not” about Hunter at Safety, I’m not so sure. Its what Jerry didn’t say — he didn’t say “Hunters going to compete at corner” or that “he’s to valuable for us on the slot”. Basically, what I heard from Jerry when he said “probably not” was I don’t care about that guy.

I think that’s too bad. Hunter has the physical gifts to be effective, if not as a starter at least as a bad-up. Hell, we thought he would be a starter last season.

However, if we try to deal him, we’ll really get almost nothing back. He’s an unproven player who’s coming off a major injury. He didn’t prove anything during his career and still can only point to potential. No one will give up much for that. Maybe a 6th or 7th pick (conditional) next season. Maybe nothing. Maybe he’s just cut. Remember our young star – Derrick Ross ? What happend to him when he acted-up and fell out of favor? Goodbye. Antonio Bryant? Goodbye.

I was thinking hey maybe play him at safety because of his ability to cover but he’s not that tall. I’m not sure what the average height is for free safety. Competition is gonna be tough this year if you wanna play your going to have to show it early and often. I can see how BP’s older players help younger players understand the coach as well mentor the position but I hope either thornton, frazier or reeves beat him out. I prefer young highly motivated corners. Glenn is a good insurance policy so I’m not mad that they got him but I want the young guys to come up.

Aaron Glenn is a great pick-up. There is virtually zero depth behind Newman and Henry. Frazier looks okay in the nickel, but after that we are in big trouble. Whatever Aaron Glenn has lost physically, he can compensate for with experience and savvy. You know he is not going to blow any assignments or jump too many double moves. He will be in the right place at the right time. You have to take into consideration what his role will be. He is not the savior of the secondary. It’s not like anyone is saying “Okay Aaron, you got T.O. today, good luck dog.” He’s a backup. Yeah he’s an aging veteran, but he is far better than our other reserves.

I like the Glenn pick up. As was proved last year (and not just by Dallas) you can never have too many CB’s.

Keep bringing in the talent and let the best one play.

So what do you guys think about a Brock Marion return to Dallas

By what I read on the team website it seems that BP is going to give Beriault a chance so we might not see the return of Brock.

Darrell (and anyone who thinks this is unfair to the younger players on this team),

As far as I am concerned, there are 4 starting jobs up for grabs in the Dallas secondary, and nickle corner too. If Pete Hunter or Frazier feel cheated … step it up then guys!! Parcells will play the best player he has. If he didn’t it would be unfair to the rest of the TEAM.

If it is true that Hunter wants out of Big D, then let him finish training camp with the Boys. If he does well and learns to except his roll, we keep him. If he plays well, and is still discontent with having a star on his helmet, at least he will have value. So trade him. If he does poorly, then give him the boot.

i say if hunter wont go to saftey then what about trying to bring ty law in at saftey. he could be back with parcells the man who drafted him and he would be a great cover saftey so roy can go be roy and law could finish his career as a cowboy, that would be awsome imagine all the puns we could use with LAW in dallas. so if hunter is out then bring in law for saftey he is someone who would be a great mentor for our young DB core. what does anyone think about this?

I think the Aaron Glenn pick up is a solid move. We have no depth at CB and he could certainly help the team in some way. It’s not like they are going to sign him to a multi year deal…probably a one year low dollar contract.

Brock Marion used to be the man at free safety, but I’ve heard that his day is done. I’d be neutral on this move since we really don’t have a proven player in that spot as of yet. Hey if he is better than anything else we have then why not sign him to a one year deal to help out back then and maybe mentor some of the youngins’.

Pete Hunter needs to quit his whinning and step up. If he thinks he’s better than Anthony Henry or good enough to start at the slot position then PROVE IT. He should have kept his mouth shut and graciously taken on the opportunity to compete for the FS position. Based on Jerry’s reaction to the question regarding Hunter, I’d say he’s probably a goner. Personally, I think they should take him to camp and see what he can do. We’ve had that guy on the team for the past 3 years and it would be a shame to get nothing for our time and investment.

i think glenn would be a good vet to have.frazier showed flashes and newman`s sopfmore slump was untimely and henry is good but also learning.glenn can help frazier with his problems and help newmans confidence about coming off a below avg yr and all the youg ones on what it tkes to take the next step to getting better.bring brock in for at least a yr.s from ball st will need to learn from a true fs and brock was above avg so that could help.drop trade jacobs for someone else t usc hasn`t proven 2nd round value,not versetile to change sides.look at l.allen and t.walters and yes d.kenard,even erick williams in the beginning played guard.i just don`t think he is giong to make it.won`t beat out adams.

Ok we all know Brock Marion is getting up there in age but I would think signing him to a one or two year contract would be a wise move. We know he can play free saftey and that is more than what we have now. If we do find a younger guy that has potential for the position at least they have a veteran to help mold them a bit and a good insurance policy in case of injury. The only thing I worry about is we have so much on defense right now I dont know how we are going to be able to keep all this younger talent. There just isnt enough room on the roster for all of them. So who goes? Ty Law would be great but I just dont see that happening with the money he wants. Also can any one tell me when and what site we start hearing about the free agent signings? Can say enough about how our BOYS drafted this year. Awesome!!!!

I agree with you Eric, its time for Hunter to put up or shut up. He has no room to tell them what he will do and what he wont. He has to prove himself a starter before he can start running his mouth. What has he done to think he can tell them what he will do and what he wont. If he is not careful he will find himself in the unemployment line.

benmaller.com quoting a boston.com article, reports that Glenn has permission to talk to three teams concerning a possible trade and that the Pats are one of them.

Hunter for Glenn?

I think I would like Marion to return to Dallas to command or compete for the FS spot and mentor the position for a year (possibly more).

we gambled last year on a FA out of football off the field CB that was injury prone and was not a Parcells Guy and never played much better than OK…..

Why not put a guy like Aaron Glenn in the corral. Did anybody notice the number of CBs drafted in Round 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6………hey pretty soon you are going to have Matt Jones wanted to switch to CB……..

A veteran like Glenn even if he does not play that many snaps can help Henry and Newman. Ask Julius Jones about working with Parcells guy Richie Anderson. We even had Adrian Murrel running pretty good two years ago. If the guy cannot cut it……..he gets cut. Murrel was released after some pretty good running. Parcells is a great Coach and a great Teacher…….that is why he has former Players on his staff. Do not underestimate the value of an experienced NFL guy like Glenn who can help Newman and Henry……….possibly play some Nickel or Corner if we have a major injury………and certainly work with the likes of Frazier, Thornton, Jones, Reeves and Hunter.

Has anybody heard Hunter make these comments or just his agent? Pete……….go win a spot at CB or FS or Nickel………we do not even know if you can play. Hunter played some S in college so he has a little experience back there.

Their are and have been great players at many positions in the secondary. However Jimmy Johnson drafted CBs and used them as DBs until he got Woodson. The corner especially a physical one with the size is certainly capable of playing FS. Perhaps not every corner could……..nor every FS or SS convert to CB or LB……..but some can and when you play in say the Secondary……..you have to have an overall understanding of what the other DBs are doing. We are not asking anybody to switch sides of the ball or run passing routes or anything. This aint rocket science it is football. The Corners and Safetys all meet with the Secondary coach for their specialized meetings. Everybody is in there together. A FS is a CB that Can Tackle………a SS is sometimes a smaller version of linebacker depending on how a team utilizes a guy. To me call em all Defensive Backs……and put em all out their and let the best one win the job. Also you have the Nickel backs and some teams drop a FS or SS into the LB spot on Nickel coverages and fill the other positions with other DBs. It all depends on your roster……..I mean a guy like Nguyen or Coakley did pretty good against the pass……..Bruschi for NE is a pass intercepting master……..but teams used to bring in a guy like Bill Bates to play LB on Nickel……….or Dime……..the more coverage guys you have that can also Tackle…….gives you a lot of flexibility back there. In a Dime Package you are going to have 5 front players and 6 DBs…………name our Six? Woodson, Beirault?, Scott?, Henry, Newman, Davis?, Dantzler?, Glenn?, Hunter?, Frazier…….a player to be named later?

If you can get a veteran like Glenn with tread still on his tires………put him out there. Other than Linebacker there is no other position that requires as many Quantity of players ………and hopefully Quality as well as the Defensive Backs.

If, by any chance, we could get Ty Law to sign with the Boy’s, we could have (by far) one of the most intimidating secondaries this season. With a Williams and Law combo like that, I wouldn’t be surprised to see our defense in the top five this season. And remember guys defense wins championships “WeWillProtectThisHouse!!!”

Glenn’s been officially cut…

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2046742

5 INTs last year

Pro Bowl in 2002………Capers wanted to keep him and offered him less…….this guy would improve our secondary……..

His best year was 2002:

16 GAMES, 56.0 TACKLES, 11 ASSISTS, 1 SACK, 5 INTS, 181 (INT) RETURN YARDS, 2 TDS, 13 PASSES DEFENDED.

Last year was similar as he recorded 55 tackles, 5 INTs, and had 9 passes defended.

I like the addition of Glenn, u can never have too many solid corners, if Newman or Henry fall to injury we can just plug him in and go… and lets not forget we can also use him in nickel/dime situations of course, he’s only 32.. and plus, u guys seem to forget its not like the Cowboys are going to sign this guy for 3-4 years, i see him getting a 2 year deal max..

Bud Wilkins at OU invented the 3-4 out of a combined need to stop the wishbone and an over abundance of speedy LBs

Don Shula fighting the injury bug on his dline actually brought the 3-4 to the Pros but they called it the “53” because it centered on speedy LB Bob Matheson rushing the passer from mulitple positions. Bob Matheson was #53.

John Madden made the 3-4 famous using it to salvage an injury riddled season and win Super Bowl XI.

The 3-4 became fashionable in the 1970’s for many reasons the biggest one being there were more good LBs than DT. The problem with the 3-4 is the dline men are strickly block eaters and it is the LBs responsibility to stop the run. A team with a lot of 230 pound speed LBs had LOADS of trouble with power backs so teams loaded up on the big fellas and power back sets that is when the FB turned into a guard in the back field.

Recently 2 forces have combined to make the 3-4 viable again the salary cap and 4 WR sets. Teams are finding LBs are MUCH cheaper than DEs and DTs to the point where LB is one of the easiest positions to franchise (altough rarely doen). Also the Rams shoot em out style has taken the FB off some rosters altogether and the run game more or less the power run game is drifting into the horizon with really only cold weather teams still favoring or employing it.

The 3-4 is a nice system but is better served as a base or spring board unit from which teams develope hybrid looks. New England is the perfect case with their 3-4 often becoming a 2-5 or a 4-3 depending on the offensive set. The constant moving shift and multi position personell wreaks havok on QBs pre-snap read.

It is the 3-4 hybrid that is the future of the NFL at least until teams bring the FB back.

I saw some of you submit some erooneous info on the creation of the 3-4 in another thread and thought I’d share this with you.

i like the thought of getting marion, law, and glen. sign them to a (what have you done for me lately) contract. (incentive) and to teach our youth. If hunter can’t stand the heat, he must not have that much confidence in himself. if he doesn’t; then how in the heck is bp suppose to have confidence in him.

as far a bp being fair. how many players has he brought in that wasn’t worth a darn. and if they wasn’t; are they still around. my point exactly!!

we got another TE probably just a training camper but a TE as a FA Rookie…..Bill likes a lot of TEs…..

FA Rookie OT signed from Nevada

FA Rookie WR..NW Missouri….the WR had some pretty good numbers book in him says good route runner and nice hands……not bad quickness and separation but overall not a speedster………says a likely Slot Reciver and PR and KR………which Bill wants to upgrade anyway.

My Guess is Jerry is already hammering out Rookie Contracts with Ware, Spears, Burnett, Canty, Ratliff, Beirault, Barber, and Petitti……..

From what I read about Ware he sure sounds like the guy to come in and work hard. One thing about the veterans on our team, you do not have to look very hard to find good work ethic with Ellis, Glover, Nguyen and Roy Williams………I think these guys all look like good fits on the field and off. If Pettiti gets his weight in line he might compete for the tackle spot right away………or at least puts some fire in the mix with Rogers, Tucker and the rest…….maybe Rivera is the new leader along that line and gets those other guys into his workout Regimen.

i would also sign hakim, marion, and/or law, and a vet ROT and call it a day.

i thought about Hakim…….he was good with the Rams………did not do too bad last year either……..

how is his speed? there will be more guys after June cuts also………Peerless Price possibly……..although he did not look all that good with the Falcons……

how much would marion cost…….if i had to chose i go Glenn but if you can get both sure why not……

nothing against the guy…….but I hope Ty Law has a long slow healing summer and cannot make camp for a team…….and comes to Dallas as a late day signee………hey a guy can dream cant he……..the combination of a guy like Law and Glenn and the committee of Rookies plus two pretty darn good corners in Henry and Newman………we would have one hell of a secondary and Nickel package……….even if it was only for a year or two to get that committee into starter role…….

Everson Walls did 10 sit-ups this afternoon. Let’s grab him.

he would have beat out a few guys in our secondary last year………LOL

We need Depth at CB with Glenn around he could teach Frazier and the other young CB the tricks of the trade. I also think we should Sign Brock Marion for FS help. That way u give Justin Beraiultt time to learn the system. I’d love to see Brock back with the silver and blue.

THE “D” IS BACK IN DALLAS

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the only thing that i would think that more te would be helpful on is taking some of the punishment of reps, and see if any of them would be good on special teams.

Aaron Glen is still a very good DB, maybe not young, but still very good. The signing indicates to me that they believe they are going to have a team this year. I would even argue, although I doubt the boys will do this, but I think glen could start over Henry. Glen is a great pick up & just helps the boys chances of making the playoffs. U CAN NEVER HAVE TO MANY VET DB’s on your team.

adding him would be great former 3 time pro bowler for depth, hell yah excellent idea. hes from texas what more could you want, and he wants to stay in texas.

Glenn will probably want to start. Any open positions in the Boys’ secondary?

Hey let Newman and Henry beat out Aaron Glenn…………best player plays. Besides there are more than 2 corners on the field an awful lot in football schemes these days!!!!!

Frazier and Reeves seemed to be the best of our rookie committee maybe they can both develop and learn as well Henry and T New from a vet like Glenn.

Again this is the advantage, that I think an owner like Jerry is realizing in having a Coach like Parcells. How many of these guys sign with us ie Jason Ferguson as opposed to the team they were with or another club. Bill Parcells CLOSES the Sale!!!!! Sometimes it takes more being high or low bidder.

Keep it up Bill!!!!!

If we sign Glenn, he will probably best suit our D at FS in our base defense. Although we could see him play the nickle corner and have maybe Beriault play safety.

Jon,

If New England is in the mix here, they have some leverage because Glenn could see a better shot at starting CB there. Although its reported that Glenn wants to stay closer to home. Maybe he can be our Rod Woodson and play FS.

i think the next thing we need to be worry about is ROT!! has anyone seen where bp has addressed that issue other than a late rounder in the draft.

I agree with Jon, this move is good for two reasons: One it gives us a much better and older and experienced nickelback. And two it give Newman (not mathis) and Henry someone to compete with, as apposed to last year where Newman was the #1 starter hands down, and there was no way that he could lose his job. Maybe that complacentcey was one of the reasons why he didn’t do so well last year.

Boy if Glenn came to Big D to play FS for the Boys, what a slap in the face for Hunter. A proven NFL corner humbly accepting a roll Hunter refused!!

Hunter’s days are done with this signing. Even if it is just for depth this is a message that Hunter can start looking for another place to play. Too bad he let his head get the best of him because he could have been good at FS, same with Derek Ross and Antonio Bryant, players that showed potential.

nice post rafael

can someone give me a list of all the undrafted FA’s that have made it big and been real studs in the nfl?? i mean have there really been any or not?

Has anyone thought about Az-Zahir Hakim, we could use a third reciever!

just read that we have made an offer to him already, if we do sign him then he prolly wont start unless he does beat someone out more then likely itll be insurance so the injuries that happened to us last year wont be as big a factor this year, if it happened again. dont look for him to play free safety they think beriault is the answer to the fs spot. parcells already told him its his to lose more or less. depth is very crucial, especially at corner. on cowboys daily they are saying mrion is not out of the question but bringing in to many veterans hurts the younger players, but we will see in the coming days, weeks.

I believe what I said in the other thread last night will still take place. I think Glenn comes here to start at one of those 4 DB spots assuming no other signings and he makes the final cut. With our DBs, there’s no way he doesn’t make the team without someone better being signed. SS is set. Newman, Henry, and Glenn in the other 3. My guess is that Glenn is in the FS spot due to having lost a step (but not too much) since his pro bowl days. I doubt Newman or Henry will be moved out of the CB positions. Henry was paid too much and I’m sure all but promised the starting job. Newman was a shut down CB when he wasn’t on an island every play last year. If Glenn isn’t the FS, he’ll be the nickel, the backup CB, and rotate in a lot. I bet he’ll be on the field in over half the plays in a worse-case scenario (for him). Having a good friend with season tickets means I have watched most of the Texan home games and Glenn is better at FS than anyone else we have right now or anyone I see on the horizon – including Marion. With all the defensive help Detroit needs, I can’t see why they would cut Marion if he had anything left. That’s why everyone was shocked when they picked Mike Williams. Not because Williams wasn’t good, but they had bigger needs on the other side of the ball.

That’s my story and I’m sticking with it.

mike,

Where you reading all this?

Beriault had 120+ tackles last year. Keep the offense in front of him and he should create a nice physical presence with Roy. Most of the Cowboys fans here feel like we need a “cover” guy at FS. Not me, although getting Glenn on the field for a certain # of plays would be nice, so getting him at FS might be an option. Beriault and Roy get my vote. For anyone disagreeing: What starting secondary led the league in INTs last season? ….. I’ll give you a hint … their two safeties, well, one has the size of a college LB and the other is nicknamed “the hammer”. Yep the Seatle Seahawks, with two big hitters at safety, had the most INTs from their starting secondary.

One more thing about Glenn playing safety. Maybe it was because I live in Houston and kept hearing about the Texans getting Buchanon and the local sports guys saying that Glenn’s time may be up, but on draft day I kept thinking that AG being from TX and one of Bill’s boys, it made me wonder that there might have been some back door talks which enabled Bill to ignore the safeties that were on the board. Just a thought, but only Thomas Davis was considered a “sure” thing from all the mock drafts I watched.

Josh,

Good snyopsis of the 3-4, thought I’ll pick one nit and add to your last good point.

A. Wilkinson developed the 3-4, or the 5-2 or Okie as they called it, in the ’50s, during his great championship runs. He was several years into retirement before the wishbone was developed in ’68, though the 5-2 had become THE offense in college football by that time.

B. You are dead on about the lack of a FB making the 3-4 even more viable. When he came back to coaching in ’03 Parcells remarked that linebackers were now set so deep off the LOS that quick-hitting running plays to fullbacks, plays that were the break and butter for guys like Larry Csonka in the ’70s, would pop for 5 to 6 yards automatically today because they would face no short opposition.

The first team that can get itself a really, big, quick, Csonka or Mike Alstott-type runner will get a short-term edge and start the pendulum back towards the offenses.

i have subscription to ranch report, cbs vip, mainly get everything from there.

Eric, the reason why so many have been talking about a cover guy at safety was because that’s where we were beat so much last year. It will be even less desirable to have another hard-hitting safety that can’t cover well now that we’re in the 3-4. Those 7 guys are the ones being paid to get in there and hurt someone, clog up the run, and put pressure on the QB. I also have my doubts about Beriault being a major contributor this year. 120 tackles is nice, but he did play for Ball State. The FS has many different coverage responsibilities depending on the read. I wouldn’t expect to see much of him other the special teams this year but I could be wrong.

What’s all this bring in a veteran to mold our youg players talk?
In the age of the salary cap, we cannot afford to do that. That’s why assitant coaches get paid. Emmit, Troy, and Michael didn’t need someone to mold them. They put the work in to become the best.

If we pick up Glenn at the right price, and he turns in his annual 5 interceptions, then great.

Otherwise, if their not going to be on the field, don’t sign them.

alot of the reason we were beat in coverage was no pressure on the qb i think that was the major reason we were beat so much.

mike,

how about you post some of the juicy good articles ffrom the ranchreport on here for all us to read??

i cant afford an extra payment right now and would LOVE to have that to read…think about it

Rafael,

great post

do you think you can give me a list of all the undrafted FAâ€â"¢s that have made it big and been real studs in the nfl?? i mean have there really been any or not?

who the hell is tim????

why are you copying and pasting my comment???

rafael,

could you possibly give ME a list of all the undrafted FAâ€â"¢s that have made it big and been real studs in the nfl?? i mean have there really been any or not?

Dave,

I’m not saying get a guy that can only hit, sure he has got to be the last line of defense, especially on deep routes. But get me a guy who can take a good angle on a crossing route and give a good knock on the WR to make him think twice about going across the middle again. A safety that can make a good break and make the tackle right away on a 5 yard pattern when its 3rd and 7, and stop the receiver from getting the 1st down. People keep talking about how bad the Boys secondary was beat last year, but playing defense is a team game, and as stated before on this site, the best help we could have gotten for Newman, Roy and company was the changes we made to our front 7. I just prefer a better tackler than a good “cover guy”. Really, I just don’t understand this term “cover guy” when it comes to S, because if you get a safety on a WR one on one, the advantage always goes to the offense. So who is he covering? Safety is a lot more about football knowledge and knowing where to be in the defense that is called. “Big hitter” or “cover safety” if you missed your assignment and end up in the wrong place, then you aren’t going to cut it in the NFL. Again just my opinion, and I know its not popular here, but Beriault had 120+ tackles, so it seems to me that he has a nose for the ball, and it would sure seem, by that stat, that he knows where he is supposed to be. From my perception “cover safeties” are the ones who get a lot of INTs. Am I right? Well I don’t want a guy ball hawking from the safety position, because that is what he is a safety, the last line of defense.

Found this rumor and thought you all might be interested:

“Very interesting news from Detroits Sports Radio 1130 said the Lions did not draft Mike Williams to replace injury prone Charlie Rogers; BUT, Jim Rome said he has insider sources that are telling him, Matt Millen spoke with the Cowboys about a draft day trade, time ran out and the trade did not go through. Rome says this trade has fuel and states the Lions are trying to swap Charlie Rogers to the Cowboys for DT Laâ€â"¢Roi Glover. Rome went on the say the Lions would love to add glover to the DT spot, and the Cowboys may use Glover less now that they are heading towards a 3-4 formation. Rome said he would not be surprised if a trade is made in the coming weeks!”

On losing Hunter… why would Dallas cut him? If I’m Parcells I still take him to camp to see where he fits in. If he competes and earns a spot so be it. The fact that he didn’t want to move to FS is just one less way for him to make the team.

My guess is, as camp moves along he’ll be more motivated to get on the field, in whatever way possible. There’s nothing worse than sitting on the bench while a less talented player is on the field, I don’t care what position it is.

Imagine his choices next year if he never gets on the field or if he’s cut late in training camp this year (possible trade value if someone has a CB come up lame).

No reason for Dallas to let this guy go. None whatsoever.

you guys all of these senerios would be great; signing marion, glenn, law or whoever. with the salary cap we dont have that kind of money, besides thats a lot of roster spots for how many are going to be on the field. i know we need depth in the secondary but u can only have a 53 man roster…

So has Glenn actually signed or is he just holding onto an offer? Any info on what Glenn’s contract offer is? I hope we’ll not revert to over paying older players (ie., Rivera) as that mediocre organization in the nation’s capital. That’s could become a bad omen.

And is it a trade situation or a free agent situation? We need to be careful with our future draft choices… let’s not get too greedy just for the present.

Given no news on the Cowboy’s site, I assume nothing is yet consumated and we might not even have Glenn in camp come July.

by the way - this is from 2 hours ago - looks like NE is not in the hunt for Glenn…

FOXBORO, Mass. (AP) – The New England Patriots signed free agent cornerback Chad Scott on Tuesday after he was released for salary cap reasons by the Steelers following eight seasons in Pittsburgh.

That could be because Glenn’s agent may have told NE that he has indeed agreed to terms with Dallas, as was reported earlier…

Is their any one out there that recall’s game one of last year! Our corners were toasted so bad, I almost turned the T.V. off! They couldn’t cover slant’s, they couldn’t cover deep! If we have a chance to get gifted and learned veterane in Aaron Glenn, what the “hell are you complaining about!” The player’s your talking about are not 2nd and 3rd round player but 4th and 5th rd pick’s that are lucky thier still in the league! A few years ago we were all so hyped to have “Bill” come to Dallas, “LET HIM COACH.” Would you rather have Mike Tice! Calvin

Rafael, OR SOMEONE

could you possibly give me a list of all the undrafted FAâ€â"¢s that have made it big and been real studs in the nfl?? i mean have there really been any or not?

calvin,

we are letting him coach but we are aloowed to have an opinion, right? parcells knows moer than al of us combined no question but it doesnt mean we cant say what we think would work

Ryan:

I don’t know if any such list.

Hey BlueTerp,

I love the trade for Charlie Rodgers for Glover. I hate giving up Glover but I think that if Rodgers can be healthy, the 05-06 Cowboy’s are looking like potential NFC champions and at least the most improved team in the NFL.

Add Glenn and we have only ROT to deal with and I think that with Rivera next to him, Tucker will be fine.

Man, you guys are getting me excited for next season.

I sure hope that these rumors are happening. That is the one thing I like about Jerry Jones. If there is anyway possible to improve the team, you can be sure he will try.

if anyone is interested, heres a list of the

BEST UNDRAFTED FA’s CURRENTLY IN THE NFL:

jake delhome
billy volek
priest holmes
brad hoover
antonio gates
barry sims
matt lepsis
brian waters
brandon moore
hank fraley
drew bennett
rod smith
wayne chrebet
james hall
adewale ogunleye
sam rayburn
pat williams
london fletcher
shelton quarles
antonio pierce
nick harper
kelly herndon
kevin kaesviharn
sammy knight
brian russel
adam vinateiri
brian moorman
mike vanderjagt
eddie drummond

i stand by JON’S point when he said kickers are walk on FA’s because VINATEIRI was!

i fount it on a site, so sorry for asking for it so many times

Ryan

Which site?

good evening all,

i think eric and dave have hit on something thaat needs to be considered closer,

i don’t know if i am just reading too closely, but in the information that is out about glenn, he says he is looking for a place to start-

now most of us have penciled newman and henry in as the starters, and we go on to assume that glenn would be here as the nickelback and to add depth, but he doesn’t sound like he is ready to be anything other than a starter.

is that just the kind of fire we want from veteran acquasitions or the sounds of a future locker room problem? meaning, even as one of Bill’s guys, is glenn the type of person we want on the team? can he taake a reduced role, or even a different postion (FS) if he is asked

starstruck, i found it here….

http://www.draftdaddy.com/prospects/allactiveUDFA.cfm

there are 2 new stories on www.dallascowboys.com and they are about RICHIE ANDERSON, AARON GLENN, and a lot of other GREAT INFO!!!

blue terp,
 im trying to find something on that if you find a link or something on that post it. i personally wouldnt do it, glover is a perennial pro bowler and while rodgers has a ton of up side hes hurt more then not. looking for a wr im sure theyll be a few cut here in by june 1.

oh and dont think were gonna be getting marion back, we looked at tape of him tuesday and BP or JJ i guess say that they arent wanting him back.

mickey spagnola said that HAKIM might be nice for returns and such but that if we got him, you wouldnt see much of copper, crayton, or randal williams who all showed promise last season.

Gleen is a good pick up, but would it benefit the Cowboys more if Glenn played FS rather than nickel CB.

It seems like I missed alot during that 3 hour nap on the couch.

J, I’ve mentioned a couple of times in other posts that I live in Houston and I can you tell that during the season, I hear Glenn’s name almost every day. This guy is the ultimate pro and team guy – not to mention very active in the community. I have never once heard him complain in 3 years with the Texans. This guy is going to be a leader and you’ll never hear him making waves. Even when things aren’t to his liking – like I’m sure things were when Buchanon replaced him – he never complained. He just took what the Texans gave him and looked at it as an opportunity to move on to something else in life. He was on one of the talk shows this afternoon and he basically said the same thing. This guy won’t be a problem.

Thanks Ryan

J

 I was skimming the football boards on sabre.com, a UVA fan site, and guess what or who I found there?

I found â€Å"The Truth”…

He was making articulate, grammatically correct and non-antagonistic—polite, posts over there. I assume it was the same guy because he said, “I’m not a Boys fan…” which was apparent. I thought youâ€â"¢d find that a little interesting.

And to pick up on what youâ€â"¢re saying about Glenn starting, I don’t remember where, but I read that Dom Capers tried to keep Glenn on board for less money and/or a diminished role. Dunta Robinson earned one corner job with 87 combined tackles and 6 Int’s (vs. 66/5) and Philip Buchanon was hired to man the other post in an apparent youth movement. Dom probably wanted a veteran backup and a situational option.

This seems in keeping with some of the thinking here and elsewhere. I wonder if Glenn will be so willing to do in Dallas what he wasn’t in Houston?
Unless, he some other incentive to start…

well Dave and StarStruck,

you make it hard to decide,

i know Bill usually associates with high character guys, but i don’t know anything about him off the field. i am sure Bill can handle any problems, i just want us to avoid as much distraction as possible.

so maybe picking up Glenn and moving Hunter is a move toward cutting out a distraction?

Wow you fellows hit me pretty hard…problem deserved most of it. Okay. I will play along. What is Glenn speed in the 40, how much does he bench press and can he play the slot and also safety. How much money does he want? And, how does it effect the salary cap? The point I should have made is that by consistantly taking these veterans, we are getting no more than 1 to 2 years of play. I am aware that Glenn is a great guy and does all that community stuff…but can he cover receivers? Be gentle I bruise very easily. LOL

and Star,

as far as that other guy and last night are concerned,

i have always come away from this site with more knoweldge and opinions than just about anywhere and for some guy to get up on the wrong side of the bed and try to ruin this for the rest of us,
well that just aint right.

I know its only a rumor, but the Glover trade is definitely interesting. I would love to have Rogers, but he isn’t worth Glover. Glover is possibly the best tackle in football. He’s a pro bowler every year. Rogers may turn out to be great, but he stays injured.

I might do the deal if Detroit gave up more than Rogers. I’m greedy.

i guess no to marion

 Despite the team’s need for a safety, the Cowboys aren’t very interested in 12-year veteran Brock Marion, who was released Monday by the Lions.

Marion, a seventh-round pick of the Cowboys in 1993, played five years in Dallas, starting 43 games alongside strong safety Darren Woodson. Since leaving the Cowboys after the 1997 season, Marion signed a free-agent deal with Miami, where he earned three Pro Bowl selections in his six seasons. Marion finished third on the Lions defense with 112 tackles this past season and was second on the team with three interceptions, starting all 16 games.

The Cowboys studied film on Marion Tuesday, but want to go with more youth at the position. Currently, the team is expecting Lynn Scott, Keith Davis, Clint Finley and now sixth-round pick Justin Beriault to compete for the free safety position, with Roy Williams sliding over to strong safety.

The Cowboys also had their eyes on Atlanta safety Cory Hall, who was re-signed by the Falcons on Friday. Hall, a six-year veteran, was released by Atlanta in the off-season after recording 60 tackles and an interception in 13 starts last year. But Hall re-signed last week and will likely compete for a starting job once again this year.

Cooper, would hate to see La’Roi go, but what else does detroit have extra to kick in that we would be interested in?

im sure itll be like a 3 yr deal but mainly hell be here for 2 years. 40 times and all that dont matter hes a proven veteran, he will bring more leadership to 2 cb that are very young on our team, thatll be his biggest asset. marion o well i wouldve liked to see him come back but alot of veterans is a good and bad situation. keeps younger guys from learning yet brings proven players anyways, still glover and a 2nd or 3rd next year might ( i say might ) be worth glover along with rodgers

j,

Parcells always tells his players as it is, and very clearly states, “I am going to play the best player.” So Glenn will have his shot to compete for the starting CB spot. He might also see some time at FS, just to get him on the field if Parcells feels he needs Glenn’s expierence out on the field. But Dave makes a great point too, Aaron is a team guy and the ultimate professional.

If there was any discussion between Detroit and Dallas on draft Saturday, it might explain the glutton of DE/DT players that Dallas selected.

blue terp, was it todays rome show? www.jimrome.com you can listen to todays show on there…

mike,

man u copied and pasted all of that from spangola on www.dallascowboys.com. its all right tho

Trade Glover for Rogers.

I just took a look at Detroits roster and they need a DE not at DT. I guess they could move Glover to end. Still sounds iffy. If Dallas were going to make this trade BP must have real high hopes for Blade and Carson. (Didn’t one of them get hurt before NFLE)Getting rid of Glover would really limit the flexiblity of the front 7. I like Rogers when he’s not broken and Dallas could use receiving help. Detroits signing of Kevin Johnson makes him somewhat expendable and they may be trying to get Eddie Drummond more touches than just on special teams, I can see why Detroit would do it. On paper they have would could be a devastating receiving corps, but that’s only on paper. Rogers has been more potential than production. Adding a player like Glover would give them a very solid front 4. For the same reasons I see Detroit wanting to make the trade are the same for Dallas not making the trade. Do you give up a pro bowl DT for a potentially very good wide receiver. I wouldn’t.
Here’s the question what would you want from Detroit in a trade.
Glover (starting pro bowler) = Rogers (former #1 pick w/upside often injured)
or would you want future picks plus Rogers

okay, so i am being won over to the glenn side, but i think what mike says about marion could be true also for glenn (being in the way of the younger guys). the young corners need to play some time don’t they?

LaMonte,

blade went down for the year

and i would take as much as i could get,

rogers aand picks shouldn’t be too much

darrell,

It’s OK to have a good number of vets on the team, especially when you have a wave of young guys right behind them, which Dallas does. From April 25th on this team isn’t going to get much younger, so why not get some sauvy vets, especially the classy team players, to take some of these young guys under their wings. Could help build the character of these rookies, second year, and third year guys, and also teach them the nuances of the game.

cough! cough! Why do you think Joey Gallaway, Antonio Bryant, and Derrick Ross are gone?

nate,
 
duh i copied it i dont capitilize and i very rarely use commas and other english crap. all good though im just trying to relay some info to everyone here.

if you want me to ill put who its from now on so people dont think i thought all of that and typed that…jk

darrell, you’re correct that AG is no more than a 1-2 year option while a younger, long-term solution is found. Maybe it’s Beriault, but I still think he won’t see the field much this year. And remember, that a 6th rounder is not a shoe-in to make the team. Those 6th, 7th, and undrafted FAs usually have to show they can play special teams to make it. I think AG comes in this year and next year Bill goes after the remaining big need positions like WR, FS, and OT. There is also the possibility that one of the guys drafted could be one of those long term solutions. The June cuts will mainly be other players like AG – older guys making too much money – so they would likely be short-term options as well. Also, the speed in the 40 and how much he bench presses is a pretty useless measure once a player gets to the NFL. AG has a body of work and hours of game tape against other NFL players so he would be measured by the year he had last year. He also still has to beat out the other players in camp. Not great, but decent as a CB last year. Could make a pretty good FS for a year or two.

To answer your questions about salary cap: it just depends on the deal that is signed. The contract Glenn played under in Houston is out the window because he was released. So, the cap figure is based on whatever contract he signs.

One more thing: I’m not sold on the idea of Glover for Rogers as mentioned earlier. Has Rogers even seen the field yet? The guy has gotten hurt in both of his first two seasons. I don’t think I’d give up Glover unless Rogers is 100% healthy and he’s checked out thoroughly. Even then, I’m not sure I do that deal. This guy has the Texans thanking their lucky stars that Andre Johnson was the Lion’s 2nd choice. Remember, draft boards were unsure, but most said Rogers was more of a sure thing. Meanwhile, Johnson has just about reached the elite level of WRs while Rogers has been healing and watching. Could be one of those injury-prone guys that never live up to their expectations. Of course, with Ferguson at NT and the 37 DL picked up in the draft, they have the option of considering the deal.

j,

The young CBs should get on the field some. In long passing situations, Parcells likes to play with three down linemen and two linebackers, with 6 DBs. He will mix it up but expect these different looks from the Tuna.

Dave,

I think you missed my post ….. while you were sleeping. Check it out. I’d like to know your thoughts. ty

I rather give them Ellis then Glover. Lions would need to add a kicker to balance out that trade. At least a 2nd rounder

another lil thing glenn and keyshon are real good friends and he has the same agent as parcells..

how about pete hunter and a 2nd for rodgers since it looks like hunter will not be getting much playing time…..

J
If it goes down I would want Rogers, Bell and Bubin. Get another DT and OL depth. If I’m giving up solid production I want as many chances as possible to get a solid contributor. Detroit might not want to give up that many players but they get a guaranteed pro bowler. I guess BP has to weigh the benefits of keeping Glover whose production is probably going to decrease within 3 years (no disrespect but I’m just looking at age for the position) and 3 young players that you get at least 3 years and maybe one or more will give you 5-7 at a position of need. This hypothetical trade would be like a pre 2006 draft. If the guys I selected pan out then you have ultimate flexiblity going into next years draft.

Glover for Rogers? What are ya’ll smoking.

Glover is our only PRO BOWLER………along the D Line………since I cannot remember when.

All these great rookies that we got are ROOKIES…….nothing more nothing less. They look great on Film, great combines, look like Studs…….but hey yet to take a snap.

You do not trade a guy like Glover for Rogers………if we are going to trade with Detroit for a Reciver make it Roy Williams or Mike Wiliams and let them keep Mr. Rogers in their Neighborhood………..and i would not do a straight up for either Williams for Glover I would want MORE.

Glover can play DT in a 4-3 Nose Tackle in a 3-4 or DE in either and has lined up at DE in Pro Bowl. Glover is one of the strongest men in the NFL, a great guy off the field………forget about it……..we need Glover and Ellis and all these rookies to meet the potential of John Abraham, Willie McGinnest, Jason Ferguson and cannot believe I am even mentioning his name but hey Bill Parcells said it…….old number 56.

Gentleman please lets not do what the Redskins do and lose more in FA than we gain. We got a nice hand to play next season, and I guarntee you Laroi Glover is going to be BIG PART OF IT!!!!!

AG looks like he helps us immediately in the Secondary, wished we had an FA like him last year.

Sorry Eric. When the thread gets this big I don’t go back to read everything.

Anyway, I don’t really disagree with what you’re saying. My only point from the beginning is that I think Glenn gives the backfield what it needs to shut down the other teams air game IF he and Bill are willing to put him back at FS. I hate to sound like a broken record, but I have seen him live for probably 10 games over the last two years. It’s hard to get an idea of what these guys do from watching it on TV. Ideally, I think you want a cover guy and a guy that can lay the wood to a WR before he can bring his arms down to protect himself or in those short pass plays. Hopefully, your DBs aren’t the ones tackling the RB because that usually means he’s run for 10+ yards so I don’t care how hard he can hit (generally speaking) a guy running free. I just want to bring the guy to the carpet. Glenn (or anyone else in the league) isn’t going to hit as hard as Roy, but I think he is the best option on the team to play FS. Sure, I would rather have a good, experienced FS back there, but right now, I don’t see anyone better. Beriault has to prove a lot before anyone is going to feel good about him being back there. Keep in mind that he has less experience than all those guys that tried last year. I hope you’re right and he becomes a hall of famer at FS but he has to prove that he’s a better option first.

Jon, what I read everyone saying is that we DON’T agree with the idea of trading Glover for Rogers. What we ARE saying is that if it’s being given serious thought by BP, it would have to be much more than a straight up one-for-one trade. I already said earlier that I don’t think that I’d do that trade.

And what I’m smoking is irrelevant.

Is Glen really as over-the-hill as people on this board are describing? I don’t know much about him, so I’ve been trying to read on him a bit.

He played in the 2002 pro bowl, which wasn’t all that long ago. And last season he grabbed 5 interceptions while starting in all 16 games. The 5 interceptions equaled the number that he had in his 2002 pro bowl year. In fact, many of his stats last season were comparable to his numbers in 2002.

Clearly, this guy isn’t the same guy that he was when he played in a string of pro bowls, but it’s not clear to me that he can’t beat Henry out for a spot. In fact, from what I can glean from reading, its hard for me to see a downside. He doesn’t cost much, and he is far better than anything we had last year outside of Newman. I could be wrong. Any thoughts?

J — I’m not sure what else I would want for Glover than just Rogers. I guess I just don’t like the deal. If Detroit really reached, then that would be different. I’m not sure what would convince me to give up a perenial pro bowler right now though.

well said dave…….

an FS needs to COVER………we are fortunate to have an SS like Woodson and now Williams that can bring wood……….but if your leading tacklers are you SS and FS you aint in the playoffs. You better have a linebacker or two up there stopping those RBs!!!!

That is why I was a Rolle Fanatic……..cuz I knew that kid could play Corner, Nickel or FS……..and we got other guys that would have been freed up. I say AG back there could be better more experience in the secondary. He might make a decent FS for a year or two a little undersized for it but……..definitely plays a lot of snaps either way.

Who knows maybe T New or Henry have a bad game and the get put where Parcells puts players that arent making plays………ON THE BENCH………and AG can still play CB.

Eric,

Thanks. I’m there with you on the issue of character and what Glenn can bring to this team as a mentor…however, I still have those lingering questions about cost and salary cap and stuff. You are on point about having vets on the team to bring the youth along. See you can change an old dawg. Thanks again. I love this site.

LaMonte and others re. a trade of Glover (or Ellis for that matter)

We can’t afford it. Glover and Ellis will be Cowboys and will be more effective when they have fewer snaps. The Boys are not going to play 3-4 100% of the time and when they do, Glover can slide into nosetackle on occasion (though I agree he’s undersized). Glover has heart. He’s been a bright spot in the otherwise lackluster D. Same for Ellis.

Trading either of them is like taking away the explosiveness we may have found in the draft.

Don’t get me wrong, I don’t want to see Morgan or Dedric Ward as the 3rd WR. And our guys are ancient. But they’re serviceable. We’ll perhaps pick up a FA later on but we’re keeping our new strength intact — can’t break-up the D-Line.

I like the way Jon thinks. It would be nice to have a big FS, but all it takes is one finger to deflect a pass and save a touchdown.

If we would have had Glen last season when McNabb threw that nightmare pass to Mitchell, then I might not be on so many mood stabilizers today.

Am I in left field? What is all this chatter about trading Glover and Ellis. Had it not been for those two last year, teams would have scored 1,405 points verus the 405 that was scored. Now that Glover and Ellis has the much needed help, they will be that much better with by taking less reps. Not having fresh legs in the 4th quarter was our major problem. Most teams simply doubled teamed Glover and Ellis and that was that. Who will the teams double team now? Please let’s move on pass the trade chatter of our two most productive defensive players now that they have the much need help.

Jon
giving up glover for rogers straight up would be insane. this sounds more like a rumor that plays into the jerry jones love to trade mentallity. I think the detroit radio guys might have been smoking. I don’t want us to have a bailey portis trade like washington where you have to use your number 1 draft pick to replace the player you didn’t need to trade. Did glover play for the lions in the 90’s. If so he may want to go back, maybe he doesn’t want to be that 3-4 nose tackle anymore. Moving to being a strictly 4-3 end/tackle would add a couple of extra years to his career. Who knows this is all speculation.

brock is a definite no no. glen has reported that he wants to be a cowboy. it is on espn that a deal has already been worked out for glen. there is no way that i would trade rogers for glover. glover might be getting older, but he is still playing every game. not on ir. i would love to see glen be the FS; which i think is going to happen. i had rather sign hakim and work with crayton and copper than trade for rogers.

my main concern right now is the ROT. just curious what is going on with that situation right now. that is the only position that i haven’t heard anything about here lately.

Cooper, take a look at some of my posts in this thread. I don’t think he’s over-the-hill. Yes, he’s lost a step at CB. CB requires both speed and quickness. At 32, he’s not what he was 3 years ago, but he’s still one of top third (or at least top half) CBs in the league. FS is more forgiving in speed and quickness which is where I’m betting he ends up. To me, it’s the only reason I can see his signing here. He knows the starting CB slots are all but locked up (I know Bill plays the best guys but I don’t think that’s the reality here. I think he puts his 4 best DBs on the field). Either that or he just really wants to play for Bill again. Buchanon was traded to Houston before the draft and AG was given permission to talk to other teams. That’s why I think Bill passed over available FS in the later rounds (except Beriault) because he may have thought he had better options for the short term. Apparently, AG and Bill had already been talking before the draft for things to get (almost) done this quickly. Signing with the boys was being reported here in Houston by mid-day yesterday. So… not over-the-hill, but probably not more than a 2 year option.

i think rome is burning alright. he is burning a big fat one.

Darrell M,

I agree with you 1000, yes I meant 1000. What is the deal with right tackle, otherwise DB is going to be on his back and or throwing ints just like old man vinney.

I’m switching over to espn to see what package the boy’s gave glenn.

Dave, from what I can tell, your prior post was on the mark.

AG has 15 interceptions over the past 3 years with 5 last year. Not over the hill.
Another thing to keep in mind is that if we are fortunate enough to have a dominating front 7, like we hope, then it makes sense for some teams to try to spread us out with 3 and 4 wide receiver sets. AG definitely helps in that situation playing along side Newman and Henry.

i put as much in jim rome as i do mel kiper. and as you can tell. things didn’t go the way he said it would. it never does. and who respect what rome is saying anyways.

well, got to go and check out the other sites. however, this is my favorite one. i love being around a bunch of cowboy fans. thanks YALL

if we want competition at right tackle bring in clement he was a starter before LJ Shelton so he has experience. The more competition in camp the better. I don’t think they’ll sign Chris Terry too many off field issues. BP said he’s too old to coach thugs and hoodlums.

No way the Glover for Rogers trade, the guy can’t stay healthy and thats why they drafted Mike Williams. Listen to Spagnola and you will see that we are defaintly keeping Glover. Ellis I really think we’re keeping, but the only reason I question it is because he sounded iffy about it. But we will play the 4-3 next season about 30% of the time and he can rush on the 3-4, just not every play. Glover is our best player and has been for a couple of years now. No way we get rid of him.

Dave,

ty

I don’t know about hall of famer?

When people say “cover guys” I think more towards cover skills, as in “shut down corner”, or plays nice man to man defense. As in Deoin was a “cover guy”. Great safeties play well in zones, and must keep the offense in front of them. Now I don’t know what you think about this philosophy, but look at Tampa Bay 3 years ago. Cover 2 zone blitzing, with different looks. Go take a look at the majority of their INTs, CBs playing areas off the edge and LBs and D-linemen back pedaling into zone coverage reacting quickly to the ball. The idea to cover 2 is having 2 safeties deep to …. keep the offense in front of them. One reason why this worked was they had a sure tacklers in John Lynch and Dexter Jackson. By not allowing extra yardage after the catch and keeping WRs in front of them, they were able to hold opponents to some sick # like 150 yards passing per game. I like the philosophy of be physical and know your assignment. You can’t tell me that Lynch nor Jackson were “cover guys”, yet that defense was successful by not letting up big plays and being physical in the defensive back field, and of course pressuring the QB.

Hey anyone who is interested NFL.com has a nice article about the Boys. Be-Ware of the Cowboys …. Has a ring to it.

In the six games Rogers has started in two seasons, he has 22 catches for 243 yards and 3 TDs. Hmm…Iâ€â"¢d consider Randal Williams straight up! The risk would be about equal for both teams. Actually, I might even hold out ‘til they cough up FS Terrance Holt too!

But seriously….check out these blurbs from www.draftdaddy.com , Prospects/Rising Up page, a pre-draft player analysis:

Justin Beriault
Ball State

“Finding a Net "draft fan” that gives Justin any credit for his stellar career and great Combine is like pulling teeth. Here’s a player that had a tremendous career on the field—impact player all 4 seasons, then runs an amazing 3.80 in the Short Shuttle in Indy. Also, at almost 6’3" and 210 pounds, he ran a sub 4.6 in the 40—the average strong safety ran a 4.72 at the Combine. We like this player a lot and think his off-season work took him from a possible undrafted free agent to a solid mid-round selection."

DeMarcus Ware
Troy State

“Ware played defensive end in college, but NFL scouts and executives believe he’ll be better suited as a rushing outside linebacker at the next level. Was very impressive on the field for Troy State and did a great job during the week of the Senior Bowl, raising the hopes of NFL scouts that wanted to see him play linebacker. Running a pair of 4.65’s in the 40 yard dash and displaying a stellar 4.10 in the short shuttle at the Combine has made him a possible 1st round selection.”

OG Sam Wilder (a Dallas UDFA signing per the ranch report)
Colorado

“Although he’s far off the radar of many scouts and draftniks, among rumors of character problems and his at times inconsistent play on the field, Wilder showed quite well this offseason. Most notably, there was no tackle with a better 3 cone drill at Indy, with a 7.4 second time. As this former D-lineman’s frame might be best suited for a move inside from tackle at the next level, guard could be a position where he can best utilize his quickness on pulls and traps. He bulked up for his pro day but at 310 is still too small for what scouts are looking for in prototypical starting tackles. Late second day pick or priority UDFA, but with upside.”

Nifty site, thanks again Ryan

Eric, I don’t think I was really clear in my point. It’s hard to always understand or make yourself understood in writing, but when I mentioned a hall of famer, I was saying that I hope your right about Beriault getting signifcant playing time and that he can become that quality of a player soon. I would prefer sooner rather than later even if it means Glenn doesn’t work out. Maybe pro bowler would have been a better choice of words than hall of famer.

Other than that, my only real point was my belief as to what I think will shake down by opening day. That being said, right now I don’t see on the current roster anyone better than Glenn to play the FS position. Bill may not even be considering that as an option. I don’t know. I’m just making a prediction based off of what I have seen happen with Glenn in Houston and the (nearly) immediate signing of him – or at least an unwritten agreement that hasn’t been finalized. I think I’m pretty knowledgeable about the game (played WR/DB/PK/P in HS and nearly made it as a walk-on kicker in college but I’m a very long way off from being an expert so take what I say with a large grain of salt), but certainly not at the level where I can definitively say that this will happen. But because of the massive changes in the front seven and the predicted pressure on the
QB, I think a downfield cover guy with a little quickness and speed will be more desireable when those other QBs are having little time to get the ball down-field. That would be under normal playing schemes. If the other team tried to counter the rush with a lot of short passes, I don’t know how Glenn would play that. I’ve only seen him playing outside at the corner.

Just my two cents … and it means nothing.

Until he proves otherwise, Rogers is another Mike Sherrard.

Am I the only one who feels like this team should be renamed the Dallas Jets?

Dave,

Was just kidding ya about the Hall of Fame.

Glenn is smallish, if you ask me, but true his expierence is useful on the field. Even so, he is more expierenced down in the 5-10 yard range, not playing center field.

My point is our safeties should make plays predicated on the fact that they know their assignments and keep the offense in front of them. They aren’t going to be in one on one coverage with WRs a whole lot. So “coverage” skills should be tuned up enough to cover a TE or RB. Nor should the be hawking for INTs. Let the front 7 put pressure on the QB, and take advantage of errant throws … that’s were our safeties INTs should come from. My point about Tampa was Jackson and Lynch played deep zone and didn’t let up big plays, but did an excellent job of tackling receivers before they can rack up RAC yards. Jackson’s and Lynch’s success came from playing proper angles and knowing their assignments. Neither of them were “coverage” guys, but both were good tacklers.

Again, Seatle’s starting secondary led the league in INTs last year, with two big hitters playing safety. Dallas had great success against the pass two years ago, with Roy and Darren …. could you imagine how well these Boys would have played if they had a good front 7?

I like Glenn alot in the nickel, and I guess that Parcells didnt like what he saw out of Frazier as much as I did. I think he is best suited in the nickel. But Glenn will be on the field alot and can cover. I like our defense with basically 3 CB’s and Roy Williams in the backfield. The only real difference in CB and FS is a FS needs to be a bit bigger and a better tackler. but I wouldnt mind 3 good cover guys and Roy back there

Rob2

The PatriJets!

eric, put the link for the story, or page its on….

Mike,

It was at nfl.com, but they update almost every day. They now have a poll:

What team had the best draft in the NFC East?

Dallas leads with 62% of the votes.

eric,

yah i was looking but i cant find it ty though

StarStruck

You’re right. I forgot about the pats.