Training Camp Open Thread

OK.
With Spears out untill near the end of camp at least, will BP juggle one of the others over to that side?
If Colman really does work better in the 3-4, he might have been tough to move out of there anyway. Spears might not have pushed him out untill early in the regular season.
Depends. Do any of the others step up?
Canty is now in a position to really push for serious playing time early.
What we might see is more 4-3 then BP intended.
In that case it gets really interesting if we play very good D while playing the 4-3 most of the time.
Our best DL is Glover, followed by Ferguson and Ellis.
If Canty comes on and really looks good as a 4-3 end, which Colman has already shown he is not, what could happen?
Maybe we start Canty and Ellis at ends, with Ferguson and Glover in the middle. Burnett and Ware at the OLB, with Dat in the middle. Frankly, that lineup puts the best potential players we have as starters.

I think this goes to show how fragile our 3-4 is, one player goes down and it looks like we might be in trouble good thing its not that bad of an injury. But it sounds like coleman is a great fit for the 3-4 and with canty healthy we might not be that bad of shape. In fact it might work alot like when allen was held out of camp we get a better chance to look at the other options this might work out well for the boys.

i think the same concept of putting your best front 7 on the field should be the way they are using it on the offensive line. if that is the case. i agree with Burmafrd. the 4-3 would have glover, ferguson, ellis, and now canty for now. that still puts ware, dat, and either burnett or shanle at linebacker. i still like the 4-3, maybe i am old school. “SORRY”

I agree, I like that alignment in the 4-3. We definitely have a better rotation for the d-line now, then we had for the last ten years. I dont mind the 3-4, but if Ferguson goes out with a long term injury, then were going to be in big trouble since we really dont have anybody on the roster that can take extended snaps at the nose tackle position. If we stay with the 3-4 defense, I think we’ll be drafting another big nose tackle like Ngatu next year. I think we’ll start slow on defense because with all the youngsters and with that comes mistakes and 3 0f the first 4 games on the road,it just doesn’t bowed well for a great start, but by week 8 of the season and if this unit gels, they could be scary.The base defense will probably be the 3-4 but I think we’ll change from down or series depending on the situation, and if things dont work well in the 3-4 , bill said that it wouldn’t be out of the question going back to the 4-3 base defense.

Well to Eric who has long argued Ellis should be an OLB in the 3-4 the fact of the matter is we are transitioning. We ain’t there yet. We ain’t quite got those big D Lineman that parcells covets. But we are getting there. In the meantime guys like Ellis and Glover are going to get plenty of snaps. And rookie injuries and play is the reason we will not trade either one of those guys. That talk was ludicrious. What if Canty could not play til late in the year, and Spears was out. We would only have one NT that is a true 3 man front player and that is the new guy Ferguson. I am all for Glover playing DE in a 3 or 4 man front……..I always subscribed to put your best players on the field.

Again I think the 3 man front will be used a lot this year. But so will the 4 man front. In any formation I hope Glover and Ellis get a few more breathers so they are fresh in the 4th Quarter. If we go back and look at our Defense last year we lost a lot of close ones late in the Game. The offense failed to use ball control clock eating drives with Eddie George…….our option at HB………and Vinny Inceptaverde………who actuallly had a pretty good year at QB.

The combination of 35 successful carries a game, with Barber, Thomas, whoevere else makes it and Mr. Jones………keep our D Lineman, Linebackers and D-Backs fresh…….and we are going to have a much better football team.

How about Bruce Thornton stepping it up in practice. Maybe those Sophomore Cornerbacks will be a factor yet. Frazier, Thornton, Jones, and Reeves along with Newman, Glenn and Henry we should have a nice mix back their.

I am ready for some FOOTBALL. Tell the boys of summer to go get their roids I want to watch some smash mouth football with the new and improved Doomsday Defense Coming back to life once again.

Jon, thanks! I thought but wasn’t sure that there was an 85 man roster. Why are we always discussing the same guys. Let’s talk complete roster. I want to know how the only FA, Rookies and etc are doing. We are getting this info. I’m hoping Rafeal will expand the disicussions to include the entire roster and not just a few select players. Attached is a roster for potential blog discussion.

76 Adams, Flozell T 6’7’’ 335
73 Allen, Larry G 6’3’’ 335
24 Barber, Marion RB 5’11’’
36 Barnes, Darian RB 6’2’’ 250
40 Beriault, Justin S 6’2’’ 199
34 Bickerstaff, Erik FB 6’0’’ 229
11 Bledsoe, Drew QB 6’5’’ 238
92 Brooks, Jermaine DT 6’3’’ 285
57 Burnett, Kevin LB 6’2’’ 239
86 Campbell, Dan TE 6’5’’ 263
99 Canty, Chris DE 6’7’’ 279
91 Carson, Leonardo DT 6’2’’ 305
93 Coleman, Kenyon DE 6’5’’ 285
18 Copper, Terrance WR 6’0’’ 204
84 Crayton, Patrick WR 6’0’’ 207
15 Crowder, Tom WR 6’1’’ 183
3 Cundiff, Bill K 6’1’’ 201
29 Dantzler, Woodrow S
29 Davis, Keith S 5’10’’
98 Ellis, Greg DE 6’5’’
66 Ferguson, Jason NT 6’3’’ 305
52 Fowler, Ryan LB 6’4’’ 235
30 Frazier, Lance CB 5’10’’
26 Glenn, Aaron S 5’9’’ 185
83 Glenn, Terry WR 5’11’’
97 Glover, La’Roi DT 6’2’’ 285
65 Gurode, Andre G 6’4’’ 315
42 Henry, Anthony CB 6’1’’ 205
7 Henson, Drew QB 6’5’’ 220
56 James, Bradie LB 6’2’’ 243
55 Johnson, Al C 6’4’’ 298
19 Johnson, Keyshawn WR 6’4’’ 212
21 Jones, Julius RB 5’9’’ 217
33 Jones, Nathan CB 5’10’’ 187
    Kincade, Keylon RB 5’11’’ 204
1 McBriar, Mat P 6’1’’ 202
81 Merritt, Ahmad WR 5’10’’ 195
81 Morgan, Quincy WR 6’1’’ 215
41 Newman, Terence CB 5’11’’ 189
59 Nguyen, Dat LB 5’11’’ 231
61 Noll, Ben G 6’6’’ 315
54 O’Neil, Keith LB 6’1’’ 230
90 Ogbogu, Eric DE 6’4’’ 270
60 Peterman, Stephen OG 6’3’’ 312
79 Petitti, Rob OT 6’5’’ 347
49 Pierce, Brett TE 6’5’’ 250
39 Polite, Lousaka FB 6’0’’ 246
66 Ratcliff, Jeremiah DE 6’3’’ 293
66 Ratliff, Jeremiah DT 6’3’’ 293
43 Reese, Izell S 6’2’’ 193
35 Reeves, Jacques CB 6’0’’ 195
62 Rivera, Marco G 6’4’’ 307
85 Robinson, Jeff TE 6’4’’ 275
79 Rogers, Jacob T 6’6’’ 306
9 Romo, Tony QB 6’2’’ 227
80 Ryan, Sean TE 6’4’’ 266
38 Scott, Lynn S 6’0’’ 191
58 Shanle, Scott LB 6’2’’ 245
51 Singleton, Al LB 6’2’’ 228
87 Smith, Zuriel WR 5’10’’ 170
96 Spears, Marcus DE 6’4’’ 307
35 Thomas, Anthony RB 6’2’’ 225
25 Thornton, Bruce CB 5’11’’ 197
53 Thornton, Kalen LB 6’3’’ 260
77 Tucker, Torrin G/T 6’6’’ 329
78 Vollers, Kurt G/T 6’7’’ 317
71 Walter, Tyson C/T 6’5’’ 303
94 Ware, Demarcus DE 6’4’’ 251
23 Williams, Lenny CB 5’9’’ 190
31 Williams, Roy S 6’0’’ 219
82 Witten, Jason TE 6’6’’ 264

Darrell W.

Yikes, that’s a lot of people! Aren’t they going to make
at least one round of cuts before I get there?

Why talk about people who won’t make the team?

Guys,

The 4-3 may get our best “players” out there, but Ware’s skills are deminished by lining him up inside the OT, which is where he will be if he plays OLB in the 4-3. If Parcells should go with the 4-3 more than intended, Ware will probably see more time at DE.

Jon,

Thanks! Still looking for the switch. With Coleman and Canty supposedly playing well, Ellis’ may have more value at LB. Think about having Spears, Canty, Glover, and Fergie getting most of the snaps (80-90%), with Coleman, and Carson, maybe Brookes too making up the difference. Coleman’s progress could speed the move up a bit. .. Having Ellis at the strong side OLB, with his proven ability to shed the TE, and turn the corner will open up blitzing lanes for the strong side ILB. He should be a beast against the run too. … still waiting, but as Canty and Coleman come along, I am still expecting it.

does anyone know what time the scrimmage is today at camp? 4pm? i can’t seem to get a confirmed answer from any of the boys’ websites.

starts at 4 oclock cst

Hi everybody!

Um, saw this on ESPN and had to share. Oiler Troll has not seen the faces of any of you people on this blog, but apparently Joe Gibbs has and he was not impressed:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2127114

Now, that said – Joe has grown soft in his old age as why would he bother to retract this.

Oiler Troll will leave you each to your own devices as to how exactly you want to respond to Mr. Gibbs. “Pansy” was the first word that came to my mind.

Sorry for the digression away from meaningful football talk, but Oiler Troll could not resist. I understand that you people like to take shots at the Redskins.

May I add – no way Joe can make this comment if Parcells picks up either Salma or Penelope in free agency.

They are both still available.

Eric R,

For once you are right, Ware should and probably will be the DE in our 4-3 sets. I assume the line will be Ellis, Ferg, Glover, and Ware when we line up in that formation.

Why is Oiler Troll refering to himself in the third person? Is he bucking for a new contract or something? jk

But yes I think Gibbs is a bigg ole fat puss for backing off his comments. He doesn’t even look Parcells in the eye at midfield after getting beat.

Ever see that Twilight Zone episode, “The Eye of the Beholder”, were a real beautiful woman (played by Maxine Stewart) goes to get plastic surgery to fit in? She thinks she is ugly because she is very different from the people in her society, but in fact is gorgeous. Then as the doctors are operating on her they take off their masks and it is revealed they all have pig faces … well maybe Joe has been up too late watching reruns? .. Or maybe he just loves his hogs!

On the Joe Gibbs thing: WHATEVER!

Word is Joe Gibbs thought Thiesman and Riggins and Dexter Manley were all very Hansome? Or Maybe he liked those big hogs in Dresses down by the end zone of ole RFK? Either way he is just jawing with his ole buddy Parcells since they don’t speak anymore while they are actively coaching.

Hey at least the rivalry is back. Last time I checked it was COWBOYS 2 with Bill Parcells and Redskins ZERO with GIBBs.

Jon,

I had heard that while retired Joe owned a ranch in Nevada. A vantriliquist who had gotten lost, and badly in need of gas, stopped in on Joe one day. The lost man said, “I am a vantriliquist on my way to Vegas and I need to know where the nearest gas station is.”

Joe was totally confused, because he never heard of a vantriliquist. “What the heck is a vantiliquist?”, he asked.

The man responded, “Well I throw my voice, and I can make things talk.” .. “Here watch …” The man looked around and saw a horse in Gibb’s stable. “Watch that horse over there” Throwing his voice, he made the horse say, “Good afternoon. Where is my food?”

Gibbs in astonishment said,“Ha, you made my horse talk. What do ya know!” But still couldn’t understand how the vantriliquist did it.

The guy try to explain that it was just an act, and the horse really didn’t talk, but Gibbs just looked at him with amazement. Joe said, “Wow you made my horse talk?”

The vantriliquist then told Gibbs that he will show him again, and said, “See that cow over there watch him.” He threw his voice and the cow spoke, “God darn it I need to be milked.”

Gibbs eyes widened as he said, “That’s just amazing!! You made my horse talk and now the cow too!! Wow!”

The vantriliquist was tired of trying to explain that he was just throwing his voice so he just went along with it, and then asked, “Can you just get me to the nearest gas statioon?”

Gibbs said, “Sure, but you have to show my wife.” So he ran inside and brought out his wife.

The vantriliquist looked around, and sid, “Do you see that pig over there …”

But before he could finish, Joe angerly waved his arms and said, “No! No! That darn pig is a damn lyar!!”

Hey guys, lay off ole Joe. I thought it was pretty funny. I love to hate the redskins, and I expect he feels the same about the boys. He is a classy guy. He just retracted so the media wouldn’t run wild, which they did anyway. I can’t wait for the Monday night game. Got my tickets yesterday.

the Boys cut K visintainer….sign ex-Viking K Jose Cortez

Jon,

Great comments!

Burmafrd,

What Parcells has done, with Spears injured, is moved Ratliff from third-string to second-string at LDE (behind Coleman), and moved Thomas Johnson over from DT. Johnson is a rookie free agent from Middle Tennessee State. He is listed as 6-2, 293. Interestingly, the DMN has a current article (by Mosely, I believe) that claims that Johnson had 4 sacks in today’s scrimmage. That’s the good news. The bad news is that Johnson got those sacks by blowing by Torrin Tucker. On the other hand, the same article says that Rogers played well at RT. That’s about all that they have said about the scrimmage, so far.

Jose cortez is worse than cundiff. His career averge is 71%, so I cant see him replacing cundiff.The term, CAMP BODY comes to mind when referring to Cortez

Chris Canty sure sounds like a beast out there. Hopefully Rafael you can see this guy in person and confirm that this guy is that good. Every reporter says even when limited he just gets by everyone. Ratliff had a good scrimmage too.

It is no surprise that Tucker was used like a doorknob. I expect him to be cut soon. It was a surprise to hear about this Johnson kid. I wonder how he might fit into the mix? In todays scrimmage Henson continued his horrible (so far) camp performance. I expect the ‘Boys to cut the loser (Henson or Romo) of the backup QB competition. That won’t happen for a while yet though. Yes, Canty does appear to be a beast and Campbell is back on Monday.

Once again:WWWHHHEEEEWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!! on the Marcus Spears injury.

Eric R,
Nice try, but YOUR shtick has a ways to go.

I wanna start a campaign, who is with me? MATT LEINART TO DALLAS!!!!!!!!!!!

Jess,
We won’t have the first pick overall next year. Not without throwing away the season or trading a lot of our good players.

Derrick:

Jose Cortez is over 80% before the 40, after that, he crumbles, he’s a better competition than Visintainer…

Eric R:

By now, I really don’t think that Parcells would venture on moving Ellis, with Spears injured, he needs Ellis at DE and moving Ellis after Spears return would be a bad choice based on the short time of preparation he would have.

Everyone:

On the 3-4, I’ll defend the move, because that move comes right to what Doctor Parcells ordered. Parcells knows football, he knows what he sees in the NFC East, he knows that the Beagles have a guy named Westbrook that’s dangerous in quick passes, with 4 linebackers, one of them, the Jack Backer (Nguyen) is free to pursue the ball carrier or the probable ball carrier, and that’s the best way to fight against that. There’s also that Barber, formerly known as a fumbler which isn’t anymore, he’s also dangerous on slants and short patterns, and his coach, knows how to use them… And there’s that Portis dude in a Deadskin… he’ll be better this year with the team playing more to his skills.

The 3-4 is the best scheme for those types of players, the 4-3 might be better for players like Shaun Alexander and Priest Holmes, which’re better known as inside runners, so we’re going to see the scheme too. And there’s those nickel schemes, that in all Training Camp, have been with front 4’s and 2 LB’s. So don’t fret, we’ll see fronts 4, but there’re better reasons for the 3-4 than just what Parcells likes to have…

And I’ll give you my updated 53 man roster:
Version 3.0

3 QB’s (Bledsoe, Henson and Romo)

Henson is the most talented, I guess that he’s supposed to get more comfortable with his new throwing moves in the next two weeks and then I can see him winning the backup to Bledose job.

3 RB’s (JuiceJ, Barber and Thompson)

I’ll better go with a heavy roster on the OLine, DLine and LB than at RB, there’re too many uncertains in those spots, specially DLine and LB.

1 FB (Bickerstaff)

He can be a player on Richie Anderson’s mold. And brings the wood that A-Train won’t.

6 WR’s (Glenn, Key, Morgan, Crayton, Copper and Merritt)

Merritt has been pretty consistent, both as a special teams player and a bottom of the depth chart receiver.

4 TE’s (Witten, Campbell, Robinson and Pierce)

Robinson is the $1.2 million LS, but he’s worth every dollar. But knowing that he’s a 13 year veteran, the search for the succesor is a priority and with Ryan’s injury, that’s why Pierce makes this version.

9 OL’s (Adams, L.A., Johnson, Rivera, Rogers, Peterman, Gurode, Vollers and Petitti)

Petitti is a work in progress we might see him working behind Flozell and Vollers manning the RT with Rogers right behind him. Gurode can play Center and Guard making Walter expendable.

7 DL’s (Ellis, Glover, Ferguson, Spears, Carson, Canty and Coleman)

Coleman’s niche comes with the 3-4, in which he’s now the starter, where he might not account for a sack but won’t be pushed either. I’m carrying a DLine heavy roster because they’ll be playing a bunch of 4-3 too.

7 LB’s (Nguyen, Burnett, James, Ware, Shanle, Ogbogu and O’Neil)

I just send Singleton packing because he’s a high salary player that will be benched by Burnett. Ogbogu might enter in certain sits for both OLB spots.

6 CB’s (T-New, Henry, Glenn, Frazier, Thornton and Jones)

I’ve heard more things from Jones than from Reeves, so makes the roster. Thornton’s looking good.

5 S’s (Roy, Davis, Scott, Reese and Beriault)

Depending on Davis or Scott, we might see Reese being let go and making room for Dantzler and his special teams play, but as things are right now, Reese makes the squad.

1 K (Cundiff)
1 P (McBriar)

Cudiff might have some real competition now, at least in short distances. McBriar’s winning the other job by a mile…

Gimme feedback!

james, i could see san fran witht the first pick again, they would trade out. We need a franchise QB, i say do what it takes.

Chandus,
I like your list, with 2 exceptions; I don’t see 5 S-only 4, and I don’t see Ogbogu making it. Interesting predictions for the running backs and LB’s. Bickerstaff could pull it off and A-Train has never particularly impressed me. I think you might be right on when it comes to Singleton, he is too small for the 3-4 anyway at less than 230 lbs. At S I see Scott or Reese starting, backed by Davis. At least to start the season. Unless The ’Boys sign someone else. Beriault is a lock to make the team, he may even be a longshot at FS. But I stress strongly, A LONGSHOT.

Jess,
If the niners have the #1 again you would be right. It would depend on who and what they would want from us. Leinart would not be worth the “whole” team or #1’s in consecutive years.

Chandus;

Excellent 53 man roster with a couple of exceptionsl I agree with Jamesin that Parcels will only carry four S. I don’t see Ogbogu fitting in the LB scheme, I’m penciling in B. James (yep I said it) and how about K. Thorton. The guy is a Sophmore and is ready to explode.

Give me your thoughts on James and Thorton. Thanks.

All: I was at training camp today for the scrimmage. I just arrived at home (3am) so I’m going to keep this short.

Offense:
+ Julius looks the part of a star. He was one of the few positives for the offense. Broke runs int he middle and on the outside. Slipped tackles. Super quick. Just a super player. Up close, its unmistakable.
+ Not much more from the other RBs. Thomas and Barber ran ok. Thompson is tall. Showed his speed once threating through a crowd.
+ Bledsoe looked ordinary. Passes were on target mostly. He skipped a pass 5 yds short to a wide open Patrick Crayton on the outside near the line of scrimmage. Honestly, he looked no better than what I remember from VInnie last year at training camp.
+ Henson looked terrible. Wobbly passes. Poor decisions in the pocket both with the 2nd and 3rd offensive teams. Few completions.
+ Romo easily outplayed Henson. Slipped a few rushers. Completed passes on the outside and in the middle. Drove to some scores. Sharp passes.
+ WRs in general looked aweful today. No players showed up. Seemed that short of perfect passes, nothing would be caught. In today’s practice, WR was sorely missing anything special. One catch by Keshawn. Perhaps one by Terry. A few by Jamaica Hector and Merrit (who is unbelievably short for a WR).

Defense:
+ Defense in general outplayed the offense. I couldn’t single out any of the linemen nor the LBs during the plays. Burnet and Ware looked fast and strong. But didn’t see them really show up during the scrimmage.
+ Love, the basketball player, is a fish out of water on the field. No way he makes the team nor the practice squad. He’s not a football player. Sorry if you like him, but that’s the truth.
+ Keith Davis played first string FS. Good hits – could hear them’ pops. Nice closing speed. But his hands leave something to be desired. Dropped several passes in practice before the 11-on-11s. Couldn’t really tell, but I think he seemed a little confused and perhaps unsure back there. That would explain the drops.
+ Roy Williams had an incredible pop on Anthony Thomas. Lots of oooohs from the crowd.
+ Newman had an int. Henry and Newman look the part. When you see Newman up close, you can’t mistake that guy is an athlete. He’s glides effortlessly when he runs. And he was back along with Zuriel Smith to return punts. Newman looks great back there.

James,

Does it smell good down there? ..

Eric R,
Sorry buddy, I don’t need YOUR permission to be here. When I see your posts I think of the pigs in Orwell’s “Animal Farm”. Please, no more foolish talk of Ellis playing OLB.

Eric R,
Also, what would be the point of presenting YOU with MORE facts? Even though you won’t admit it, that is what you have recieved and you have argued with them when they deprived you of your illusions. Now read this and post another put down laced tirade because I won’t let you have your way.

im always scared to draft a qb with a first rounder, id rather see them get a top notch free agent. i dont know if there is 1 next year though. sounded like canty had a good day saturday read alo of good things about him as well..

It’s far too early to to judge Henson yet but, If you look at San diego’s Qb situation, next year, either Brees or Rivers will probably be dealt, if Brees has a good and say win a playoff game, I can see San Diego trading Rivers.They cant continue to have all that money tied up in those two Qb’s. I’d rather get one of those two, than drafting one from the draft class. Even Rivers as a backup in San Diego has had two years of learning the ropes under Brees and Marty Schottenheimer.

Derrick,

You are probably right about Cortez. But, Visintainer was not only awful, he was injured — hurt his back. They need someone so that Cundiff does not overtax his leg in practice. We also need to remember that Cundiff is not just competing against Cortez. Every team has two kickers in camp, and half will be cut before the season starts.

James,

I doubt that the Cowboys will cut the loser of the Henson/Romo battle provided that the winner shows he is capable of being a legitimate backup QB. Only if the ‘winner’ is demonstrably sub-par will they bring in someone like Testaverde [gag!]. Since I don’t think they want to cut either of them, I believe they will give that ‘winner’ the benefit of the doubt.

As for Johnson, I am not ready to proclaim him as anything special just yet. Ratliff was also abusing Tucker. Which leads to the question — What on earth has happened to Tucker? I realize that he was not the best right tackle in the NFL last year, but he wasn’t being totally embarrassed by 7th-round draft picks and undrafted free agents either. Tucker has seriously regressed this year. That is very disappointing.

Chandus,

Nice work!

I tend to agree with the others who see only 4 safeties making the team. Reese or Scott probably won’t make it. If forced to make a choice, I would kick Reese off the island.

At LB, I haven’t seen much positive news about Ogbogu. I think he will have to go some to beat out the likes of Fowler, K. Thornton, and, yes, Singleton. And, you never know when a rookie, like Goolsby or Condo, might show up in the preseason games, especially on special teams.

If they only keep 4 safeties, I would add in another DL, probably Ratliff.

I don’t see Pettiti beating out Noll. Pettiti looks like a prime candidate for the practice squad. I see a lot of promise, but I don’t think he is ready for NFL play yet.

It remains to be seen whether Bickerstaff can beat out Thomas as our short-yardage back. Interestingly, both Thomas and Polite reportedly played well at the scrimmage.

Californioca,

Nice report. We appreciate your time and effort in providing it for us.

Chandus,

Interesting predictions……….of course we still have injuries and scrimmages. Who knows……….maybe Bill Parcells will cut a QB and keep another RB. I would not be surprised if he goes heavy on RBs and OLs to sustain the running attack. He wants to pound it out, eat the clock and let Defense and Special Teams win the ballgame, not Drew Bledsoe and Keyshawn Johnson.

He seems to like Polite, but I think Bickerstaff will get a shot. I think Barnes might be the odd man out. I still believe A Train makes the team cuz he is young has experience and has gained a 1000 yards in CHI………not an easy task mind you. Still Dallas has a better competition at RB than we have had in years. In fact did we ever have anybody good with Emmit. Chris Warren on the backside of his career, Herschel at age 50, Sherman? I mean we got three guys that could probably start at Tailback………not bad. I think you might see 4 RBs……..Parcells is talking about 35 carries a game………plus screens and blocking……….look for a RB on the field in almost every formation except a Hail Mary or possibly a 2 minute drill……..but given our WRs I would still have Julius out there………..I mean a pass to him has more chance of getting to the End Zone then to KJ.

Singleton could well be out in the LBs. Shanle seems to be the surprise there. Didn’t we steal this guy off the Rams practice squad……..then they sign our Dexter Coakley? Strange……..

I get the feeling though our Defense is going to get nasty soon. A Henry is sounding like the real deal, T New playing with Confidence and Roy bringing some heat…….along with the new beef up in the front 7……..this football team is improving at every single position.

Keep it up Bill and Jerry I see some Super Bowls on the Horizon.

ALSO………ANYBODY that criticizes Bill Parcells for the whole Antonio Bryant episode? Give me a break. If you are supervisor or the coach and the kid throws a shirt in your face………you supposed to go over and HUG HIM? I don’t care if the kid has 1000 yards and 20 TDs……..if he does he can call Bill and THANK him for motivating him with a BOOT up the rear and off the TEAM. He quit on ROUTEs. He failed to block. He had a bad attitude. I agree Morgan ain’t the next Jerry Rice………but Antonio Bryant is in a contract year and he is playing for bucks on another team other than the Browns. Besides Crennel is probably just chiding the media to rub Bill a bit. Just watch if A Bryant has a decent year and signs a long term contract he will be bad blood again. This kid was trouble at PITT, that is why he fell to the 2nd round where we got suckered into taking him. I ain’t in the Bill Parcells is perfect fan club, but complaining about Bryant and Parcells is ridiculous. He is gone, get over it.

That kid is a bad apple, and yes boys and girls one bad apple can spoil the whole bunch.

Morgan had a hamstring injury and that hampered him. I agree Bryant had more athletic ability……….but SO WHAT it was yet to translate into teamwork, catches and TDs. Guess what…………Antonio Bryant ain’t the next Jerry Rice either!!!!

Jon,
My only complaint about the AB trade was that we did not recieve enough compensation for the guy. My only question about it is did BP railroad him. According to Aaron Glenn, TunaMan will “run a guy out of a situation”. Unfortuneately, from what I’ve seen of Parcells types, they will do it to an undeserving person for personal reasons as well as one who has it coming for his job performance. Keep in mind that BP did throw supposedly throw the jersey at AB first. I don’t believe that it was undeserved on AB’s part, but whenever something like this happens with a guy like Parcells; there will be some doubt in my mind about TunaMans version of it. Remember that we aren’t there, we have to rely on the mediot reporting it to us. At least you are under the realization that BP is not a god like some believe.

Mr Bill,
If Henson does not beat out Romo, I could see The ‘Boys cut him for the following reasons:
1. He has a large contract for a third year player, they could free up substantial cap space.
2. It wouldn’t hurt to sign a veteran for the minimum as the 3rd QB. (who’s salary would be canceled by the cap space saved with cutting Henson) Just in case Romo can’t handle the job. (Just like Henson, personally I believe Henson to be just another of Jerry J’s “fools gold” projects. i.e. Hutchinson et al)

I agree, (GAG) bringing in Vinny wouldn’t be the best option in my scenario.

derrick,
exactly, i cant see them keeping both qb’s again, they have to make sure brees wasnt a fluke year. i was hoping they would let him fly and we could jump on him. id rather see an established pro qb then draft, unless its a cant miss qb like peyton.

I have to say I believe the Boys will only keep 4 safetys. I also believe there is a good chance they will keep 4 RB’s and one fullback (Bickerstaff). Apparently Barnes and Polite (despite his great offseason) are not impressing anyone. This would allow them to keep Thompson which, I believe, they want to do and Ratliff. I also think they want to make room for Petitti. They might be able to keep all these guys by carrying only two quarterbacks. Why not cut the loser of the backup competition? Vinny is probably not going to sign with anyone else, if he stays in shape, which I believe he does, he can just wait for a call. A pretty good hot spare.

Beating that old dead horse again: AB
He has looked great in TC before then been average or inconsistent in REAL games. As someone pointed out- he dropped BIG time in the draft due to head problems he had at pitt; so no one should be suprised. He has never grown up; he has never been able to DISCIPLINE HIMSELF. Untill he shows that he can last a full season without causing headaches he is a BUST. He will have a great game then disappear for 2-3, then have another great game and then disappear for 2-3. Has he ever had even TWO games in a row that he shined, let alone 3-4? WR’s get more slack due to craziness then any other position, but they have to be worth it- Moss or TO are perfect examples of that. AB has NEVER put up numbers that even put him in the same LEAGUE as them. BP decided that he was not worth bothering with any more- NO MORE quiting on routes; NO MORE not blocking; NO MORE tantrums on the sidelines or in the locker room. Untill he shows a LOT MORE then he EVER HAS BEFORE I will consider that trade a good one. AND- who is to say that it took the trade to finally get through to him; god knows BP tried virtually everything else.

James,

Bill Parcells has said he is too old to deal with THUGS and HOODLUMS. I am not sure which Category AB falls into, but I will let you figure it out.

I just know that if given the choice between a team coached by Parcells vs………Campo, Gailey, Switzer…………uh I know where I am putting my VOTE.

Bill is old school like Bob Knight………some like him…….some don’t……both media and players. You can always question anybodys decisions………but in the end………..Wins and Championships is what matters. Both of those guys have a bunch!!!! In addition Bob Knight graduated his players. Go look it up. For every one kid that says he was abused by Knight there are 100 they can tell you he was like a father to them. Yeah he used tough love, so what. It worked.

Today’s athelets are often coddled. Some grow up fatherless. Take my own local example of Allen Iverson. Great Basketball player. Lousy Human Being. He could learn a lot from a coach like Bob Knight, Bill Parcells or maybe some of the great ones he ran off in Philly. Either way, you go ahead and hug him all you want to. The local school system did until he was locked UP. Then the Governor hugged him with a Pardon. He may continue to contend for the scoring title every year til he retires. But he ain’t got an ounce of discipline or champion in him. He is a ball hog with a jump shot and a good quick step to the hoop, that is it. How come Phil Jackson and Larry Allen aren’t rushing to Philly?

Sure their are exceptions to the rule. Great players who have family and a father figure. Great for them a coach does not have to necessarily be that disciplinarian. Example our own Emmit Smith and Troy Aikman. Those two did not need an overbearing Jimmy Johnson that was also overbearing on the guys that were underperforming or disappointing.

Great Coaches are great teachers……..and do not get me wrong Bill Parcells is as good as it gets in the NFL. Which last time I checked is the CLASS ACT of professional sports. But he is Human. I think you would do well to listen to a guy like Bryan Cox talk about Bill Parcells. I think you might find we only see the tough cranky side from the mediots.

ON another subject.

Quit with the cutting Henson or Romo. Guess what those same free agent unemployed QBs will be there in week 8 if we need one. Henson has one year of backup experience in the NFL, after playing baseball and being far removed from Ann Arbor. Go look up QBs as rookies that were STUDS in college and were DUDS as rookies or their first starting opportunities. Even our own Roger Staubach was a little rusty after a tour in Viet Nam and his time served in the NAVY. He did not immediately start and take over. This is preseason. Pads on. It is August. Give the two young ins a chance. Romo is going from DivIAA, to the NFL? That is a big step and should take a little adjusting. Other teams are carrying 4 QBs right now will also be making cuts in Camp and before the regular season. We ain’t talking about a starter. And quit with the bring Vinny Back. He was done at the end of last season. Personally I would rather see Julius Jones take it right from under center ala Walter Payton a few times……….then Vinny back under center!

Next year there will be some opportunities at QB, Matt Leinart in the Draft…….and several others……….along with possibly Drew Brees or Phillip Rivers, SD ain’t keepin both. Matt Schuab in Atlanta is a guy worth a second look also. Besides Drew Bledsoe is an ok starter, and the guy is going to improve with Witten, Jones and Glenn.

Jon,
I never said anything about hugging anyone and I’ll quit when I want to quit about anything. I don’t need your permission to be here either. You can compare me to the Aikman and Emmitt type player you spoke of. Of course TunaBreath is a great coach. Are you BP worshippers braindead? Omigod, hes talkin’ bad about our boy. Give me a break, I am in the MAJORITY of people who were scratching their heads last year at his decisions. Trying to figure out what the heck had happened to him. He appears to be over his relapse this year and I’m willing to forgive if things improve.

Jon,
I also don’t need to listen to any of BP’s CRONIES (get it???) like Bryan Cox. He’s entitled to hug BP all HE wants to. Doesn’t mean I HAVE to agree! I have my own father, pastor , family etc. I don’t need my employer/supervisor to provide that for me. Why does he? Outside of football related activities BP’s (and those like him) behavior is almost predatory. Anyone that wants to ignore his darkside is a fool or in league with him.

Now I will just kick back and watch while what I have posted is misinterpreted (or should I say twisted on purpose) or goes right over the head of some.

James,
Not everyone here believes you are in the majority. Everyone here is due a say and there is probably no one who has flawless insight into issuses discussed here.

Tony,
Exactly my point, and “everyone here is due a say” includes me.

Defending my 5 Safeties point. When giving 5 roster spots to S, I’m thinking more on that right now, there’s no legitimate starter, that the 3 candidates to FS are poised to play Special Teams and that one of them was the best ST player of last year. Scott might be better prepared for a cover safety job, while Davis might be better prepared for run support and short pass routes and Reese might be the best rounded of both. I think that if there’s no legitimate starter from the trio, that the best Parcells could do is to played them when he needs their particular skills.

Also, imagine that we keep only 4 safeties and the FS comes down injured, we’re were we were last year… I’d prefer facing the season with a heavy secondary roster…

About Ogbogu, the guy knows how to sack a NFL QB, Thornton doesn’t, and I haven’t heard much out of Thornton either. So Ogbogu makes this version. And Bradie James is an Inside LB in the 3-4, actually Mike Backer.

James,

Looks like EVERYONE is misunderstanding your (facts?). Keep accusing people of misinterpretting you, or missing your point(less ranting).

…. While you do have a right to your say, we all have a right to question your facts too. You stated that “Simms hates Parcells” … well prove that! James, you said something like, “Parcells is a phsyco, that uses manipulation to get what he wants, yada yada yada, and anyone subject to working for a guy like that would hate him as well” …. Yet the FACT remains a good majority of his players and coaches respect and appreciate him. Me personally, I have never seen such loyalty, so your pint is mute.

…. When posed a question on your (facts?), you revert to name calling and strange talks with yourself, as if you were better or smarter than everyone. Like its EVERYONE elses fault for having an opinion different than yours, and actually having a more educated opinion based on factual events that have happened.

….. Like I said … Does it smell good down there? … Get off my butt!!

Thank you, Jon and Brumsfrd. I don’t get how a Cowboys fan can sit here and defend Barry Switzer, and defend Antonio Bryant, and rip into Parcells. .. Parcells is a big reason we are all here posting, excited about our Boys. A sure first ballot Hall of Famer!! … To defend the “thug” that was a “thug” long before Parcells ever came to Big D, and blame Parcells for that failure is rediculous!!

James,

The MAJORITY you are not. Looks more like its you versus the world. Because you just don’t listen to anyone but those sharing your opinion, you are then the majority. In your strange dillusional world, because you are the only one that matters, you are the majority. Maybe you should show some respect to all your fellow Cowboys fans and listen to them, instead of acting like your poop don’t stink. In my opinion you think you are smarter than you really are. It sure seems like Eric R has gotten the best of you and your posts. If in fact you said what he said you did, which I don’t doubt, then backing up your statements might give you some credability. Until then go back into your own little world and kick those feet up as your comments are “misinterpretted” by the “minority” of Cowboys fans.

Newcomer to the blog…Great site. Considering that Aaron Glenn can also fill in at FS if depth becomes a problem, I think the Cowboys only keep 4 at safety. My guess would be Williams, Beriault, Reese and Davis. Keyshawn, T. Glenn and Morgan are obviously locks, but I don’t think there’s enough room for 6 WR’s, especially if we’re running the ball all day, unless one of the young guys makes the squad as a PR/KR.

Eric R,
I have never been on your butt. As for how it smells, you’re the fluffer; you should stay off of mine. I ain’t that way. Not only do you use insults when you can’t have your way, now it’s false accusations. I am defending Switzer, LOL!, and of course I am not a true Cowboys fan. Only YOU fit THAT description, no one else. LMMFAO!

Dave,
Eric R has never gotten the best of me. It is he and you who are delusional if you think so. Sorry that I won’t lay down and die for you. NOT! Actually you are a waste of my time. Have a good day!

Dan,

WTF are you talking about? Can you keep the posts to football please and let guys with disputes sort them out themselves. If you have something informative pertaining to the Cowboys to add to the argument then fine. Otherwise quit wasting space with your meaningless rants in defense of Eric R, who is nothing more than a blind homer. At least James is intellectually honest in his assesments.

Sorry post above should have been addressed to Dave.

Chandus, I agree with the five safties. It seems as if Parcells is resigned to the fact that Williams, Davis, and Beriault are SS. We’ll have to have at least two for the other spot.

James,

I’ll say this, everyone I knew living in Dallas last year was ready for Parcells to take a hike.

Chandus,

I also think its worth noting that Beriault had is knee drained of fluid today. That usually would indicate that there is some need for surgery to clean up what might be some loose debris in there. I could see a scenario that if roster spots become short that they go ahead and put him on IR for the year and get the surgery done, and just start preparing him for next year.

Yes, Cash, liquids in the knee might mean that chips from his knee cap are loose, that’s a limiting injury, though a real football player can play through it, especially if the guy isn’t a full time starter, which is what he is. And maybe that’s the reason Parcells didn’t wanted to move him to FS…

James,

In the first place, this is only Henson’s second year, not his third. [You may be thinking of Romo.] Nor is his contract a problem. According to data furnished by the Fort Worth paper earlier this year, Henson’s cap cost for 2005 is only $305,000. Although, I do believe there is a $3.5 million roster bonus that is due sometime this year. If the Cowboys guarantee that bonus, it will be prorated over the rest of his contract.

Since we used a third-round pick to get Henson, I doubt if they are going to cut him in his second season, regardless of what he does or doesn’t do this summer.

I see only one situation where the Cowboys would go out and grab a veteran quarterback (two, if Bledsoe gets hurt). That would be if both Romo and Henson show themselves to be incapable of handling the backup QB duties this year. Since Henson is playing poorly, and assuming no drastic improvement this preseason, that puts the onus squarely on Romo to determine his own fate. Either he becomes an NFL-quality backup QB, or he’s gone.

James,

Bryan Cox ain’t no cronnie. The guy was one heck of an athlete that played for Bill Parcells.

What better assessment can be made than those that served under a Coach?

I think you been drinking the Barry Switzer KOOLAID………Antonio Bryant is exactly the kind of guy Switzer never would have challenged to become a better player. Undisciplined is just fine in Switzer land.

Who would you rather have as our Head Coach? Geez you got some stop daddy issues you might want to consider therapy or something. Last time I checked THIS WAS FOOTBALL. That Parcells is coaching!!!! Not accounting, or tires, or Wal Mart reshop……….NFL FOOTBALL!!!!!

Jon,

You mentioned Roger Staubach being a ‘little rusty’ when he started out with the Cowboys. In fact, his QB rating for his second year with the team was 42.9. Not exactly awe-inspiring.

This is another reason why I think it is imperative that we cut Henson a little slack this year. Even without the ‘rust’, it is going to take some time for him to get used to his new throwing motion.

Cash,

It is very funny how you come running to James rescue all the time, and also funny how you are the only person agreeing with him all the time, also funny how your posts are so close to him in time all of the time. …. Cash you are James alter ego huh? … James got bashed under one name, so now writes under another?

James (aka Cash),

I got you all figured out, huh? I never said that you defended Switzer. So get it right! … I did say how you refuse to back up your statements with facts. You just go running off your mouth about one of the best coaches to ever walk the sidelines, and happens to be coach of the Dallas Cowboys right now, and your statements like “Simms hates Parcells” has absolutely no truth, or how your other statements like “if anyone had to work for a guy like Parcells they too would hate him” have absolutely no merit, because a good # of guys that have worked for him, rave about him, and always seem to come to play/coach for him again. Make some sense …. PLEASE!

And guys, calm a bit, in my opinion Eric has a point in some of the things you say, and is OK to look up to a coach like Parcells, who’s the main reason of why the teams looks like it looks right now. And you, James, you have your points too. But you both need to be a little more respectful and be more flexible for the ideas of other people, because we’re on the same side, because I guess we’re all Football fans and we like our Cowboys.

And Cash, you’re shutting someone down because he got himself in between the discussion while you’re doing the same.

Relax a bit, ok?

And yes, I’m also on Parcells bandwagon, so as I was on Jimmy Johnson, I liked Dave Campo, but just as a Defensive mastermind. The first two used tactics that some would consider out of place, but they work, I guess you weren’t as hard on Johnson as what you’re now with Parcells, and Johnson made mistakes too… And looking in todays NFL, who’re the best teams? The champions use those tactics. Cowher in Pitt also, Reid in Philly too, Jim Mora is just like his father, just to name a few. That’s what works today, don’t turn your back on what works, use it, we’re in a copycat league.

Chandus,

Cool. This goes back a long way with James. I was part of a cursing tiraid, after I questioned where did he get his info from. Calling him out on some of his comments seemed to upset him because he had no proof of what he was saying. In fact others in that thread warned me that he is one of those who just won’t respond to a question posed to him, but instead jump to another topic or go off with insults. But this guy comments on everything I say here … but I do think we all have the right to our opinion. At first I just ignored him after the cursing, but after a while …..

Chandus,

If you are going to give fluffer credit to Parcells over how the team looks now, then give him equal credit for how the team looked last year, thank you carry on now.

Eric R,

Your pathetic homo erotic fantasies about the Cowboys are no longer worth responding to. Guys need to quit letting Eric’s stupid opinion that are grounded in no fact run these threads.

lol … Cash is James. Talk about pathetic, you post under two names so it seems you have support of your arguement. What a joke!! lol …

and as for a veteran backup qb vinny is still available, he did good for us last year. i would consider him as a backup to drew bledsoe. same style lil older.

Guys, sometimes there is too much name-calling. Could we please cool it on the personal slams and stick to the subject. We are all Dallas fans, aren’t we?

Mr. Bill

I posted an article for the BLOG about that very point.
 
You are preaching to the choir brother. Henson has at least another year to show his stuff. Bledsoe is the starter. Romo and Henson can fill in if need be.

Tony,

Look we talk football here no doubt, and I have been here for a while, respectfully. But when I called James out about some critical comments he made about Bill Parcells, the guy got mad and started insulting me and cursing at me. … Now every post I make he is calling me “fluffer” or “homo”, or keeps revisiting the Parcells issue, which I keep pointing out – prove what you said about Parcells or don’t bother with me. After a while, don’t I have the right to respond negatively towards him? … I have disagreed with plenty of people here, including Jon the entire month leading up to draft day, but I have never been direspectful until now. … I debunked his anti-Parcells banter, that doesn’t give the guy the right to curse me or insult me every time I post. How would you feel if you voiced your disagreement with someone, and they kept at you, because your opinion was a very substaintiated one? … But you are right and I will ignore it from now on. Thank you for pointing out how childish I sound.

Hi Everybody!

And we must stop this hath now fighting – you are flame-warring with fans of your own team.

And yes, EricR, we have a right to respond to attacks. But saying something funny in the process wouldn’t kill you:

Snausages – your posts (anybody’s posts) are nothing but snausages when you cling to a thread debate too long without using the sense of humor the good Lord gave you.

When in doubt, ask yourself the all important question – What Would Don Meredith Do?

Seriously, what would Don Meredith do if somebody called him a “fluffer”?

a. Set down his clanking highball glass and pop the guy in the mouth;

c. Explain to the other person that they have confused him with Joe Theisman.

d. Ask the other fella if he chose to learn about such things rather than play football.

Have fun out there.

OT

Troll,

Did you not read my post earlier in this thread? .. About Gibbs? .. Now that was funny!

Errr…. The answer is D! NO! B!… (Crap I hate tests)

lol @ mojo! very funny

Eric R,
I am sorry. I must really have gotten you flustered. Not only are you misrepresenting the truth, but now I am posting under different names. And you still haven’t run me off.

Chandus,
Your point about the NFL being a copycat league is very true. However, would you drink Jim Jones cool-aid just because everyone else was doing it?

Now as for your assertion that The ’Boys keep 5 S. If so, why not pick one to be the backup for Roy and rotate the other three at FS depending on game situation. Also, If The ’Boys were to bring someone in at FS, who would you like it to be? The only one IMO worth the trouble would be Chavous. Problem is, he would probably want more money than we would be willing to give.

Jon,
Be careful about suggesting therapy for others. That would be the pot calling the kettle black. Only those who have had this so-called “therapy” and have been mesmerized into believing that it helped them (when in actuality they were only “re-programmed” without realizing it), would recommend it to others.

I am Anti-Psychology and have no use for the any practioner of it. Nor will I make any apologies for being so. Parcells is a great coach, but when his use of that pseudo-science starts to affect the team negatively, I will call him on it. I will make no apologies for that either. I cannot help it if individuals are offended by my ability to see beyond someone’s published image, or if that exposes their lack of ability to do the same. I came here to talk football, but found some who treat it like a chatroom and expect you to ask their permission to post here (Especially if they don’t like what you have to say.). I’m happy to talk football with anyone, but if I am going to be attacked unjustifiably, I also have the right to defend myself against misrepresentation and false accusation.

do you guys feel we are ok at back up QB? i feel we need to cut henson or romo and find a decent back up. if we are sitting at 7-4 and bledsoe gets hurt and we have to rely on romo or henson would you guys be comfortable with what we have there, and think we could still make the playoffs?

Mike,
At this point I would not want our backup to be Henson. Romo could manage, but I don’t know if it would be effective enough to keep us on track for the playoffs. I wonder, as someone else suggested, if we would be better off keeping only 2 QB’s and freeing up a roster spot for someone else. You can always sign another out of work QB relatively quick. Last time I checked George and King were still out there. There is also,dare I say, Testaverde? LOL! Just an idea who’s MERIT is that it would free up a roster spot for one these talented kids we picked up this year.

james,
i do agree 2 qb’s is a good idea but also risky as hell. i posted earlier about vinny, being serious, hes at least experienced unlike our other 2. i would rather see them cut 1 of these guys and get someone with some experience. i really dont like having both backup qb’s being projects, 1 ok but not 2.

Mike,
I hear ya. Cutting Henson would free up enough cap space to cover a veteran minimum contract. It’s a risk to go with 2, but I’m sure a guy could be found real quick if necessary; if onlyto ride the bench as insurance. Of course that’s what Vinny was supposed to do last year……………………………….

Mike
Our starting QB is a back up. Since #8 went down we have had nothing but back ups starting. JJ need to stop cutting corners on the QB and invest a high pick on a QB. I would like to see what Henson and Romo could do in some real games.

AW:

Mention one QB we should have taken in the previous 3 drafts in the first 3 rounds. I don’t want none of them… I think that for right now, Dallas isn’t a Super Bowl team, is an OK team aspiring to be pretty good. There could have been a better job when drafting, but the coaching staff is settling the bases to a team with a pretty deep rotation, now almost every position on the roster has a couple of players capable of playing it, and you know, that’s good, because it means that you can keep your players fresh, and that’s a change…

2003
Carson Palmer
Byron Leftwich
Rex Grossman
Dave Ragone
Chris Simms

2004
Philip Rivers
J.P. Losman
Ben Roethlisberger

2005
Aaron Rodgers
Jason Campbell

Chandus
For the that reason you wrote we are not a super bowl team so why not play a young QB so when we are a super bowl the QB wont be the reason we dont get there and win.

AW:
For starters Palmer was out of reach. Byron wasn’t, but we tooked Roy Williams and I’m pretty comfortable with what we tooked. In 2003 there’s still to be seen what those other guys have. In 2004, Manning, Roeth and Rivers where out of reach, we traded down with Buffalo and we finished with JuiceJ and Spears while Buffalo tooked Losman, again we have the upper hand. And in 2005 each of the guys you mentioned are slated to be 3rd team QB, because their staffs want them to learn. In 2nd rounds and 3rd rounds there’re other names, but worthless too, at least for right now…

Believe me, I’d jump in a heartbeat for the chance of having the next Aikman, but chances are that we might not see him in a while, so, get a grip, what we have is better than what we might have if we had drafted someone on previous drafts. And you’re still being too harsh on Bledsoe performance the previous seasons without taking in consideration that Bledsoe best play has been enlighten by great TE play, which he didn’t had in Buffalo.

Bledsoe is a backup QB, which is what we have had starting since #8 left. I gave you those QB because you name a qb from 1-3 rounds that I would take. Dave Ragone and Chris Simms are third round picks that would be starting for us right now if we had them. The thing I’m saying is you have to invest to get something out of a QB and that is what we haven’t done. Aaron Rodgers is set up to be the replacement in 2 or 3 years. Jason Campbell is there to start next year maybe later this year. Look at the QBs we have had since #8 has left, none of them are starting for anyone else Vinny is out of work Carter is a backup Bledsoe was kicked out for someone that hasn’t done anything yet.

Yes, he was kicked because their staff realized that they needed someone more mobile, because their line doesn’t hold for much and their receivers at times can’t get their asses free and do I need to mention the lack of a TE? For Bledsoe first year, Buffalo had Jay Riemersma, who used to be a rounded player, great blocker and good receiver, but they also had one thing that has to be one of the best 2 wide sets in a long time, Moulds and Price. Now, the Cowboys don’t have a player in that level, but they have a much better player than Riemersma and another in his mold (Campbell). With those 2 additions I can see a 4000 yards season out of a so mentioned backup QB. Do you really believe that Ragone could accomplish something like that? Because Ragone is the best of the guys you mentioned, because last year Tampa, with all his QB problems couldn’t find him usefull… But we might see in his due time… Maybe you’re right, but you also need to accept that I may be right.

leftwich would have been a great cowboy, id like to see them bring in a vinny, leff george, someone we know cundiff is gonna win the job so bring in another qb and push henson and romo a lil more. let them fear that they might actually be cut, right now we have 3 qb’s and id bet they think theyll make it either as a 2 or 3 qb. add another veteran and then they might kick it up a gear or just keep on sucking….

Chandus
The bills still have a better WR combo than we do right now. We do have a better tightend. If Ragone was here I think he would be starting or pushing for the job and would be a better QB next year because he would be getting better. Bledsoe can’t do anything he hasn’t done, his best years are behind him. Bledsoe could have a better year then last year but if he does it wont be by much. Bledsoe is just not a fix he is a temp and I’m tired of this temps. But when its game time I will be pulling for him to be great.

id rather have the temp then henson throwing ducks to the defense. parcells is building and right now bledsoe has more then enough in the tank to compete this year. next year then we maybe look at qb in the draft or FA. there really wasnt anything out there better then bledsoe. kurt warner, jeff garcia? id rather have bledsoe. we couldve takin aaron rodgers but then no spears, id rather have spears then rodgers and bledsoe then the other 2 vets i named.

I would like to see Bledsoe being the backup next year. I don’t know Henson is the answer or not but I know Bledsoe is not and we are not going to win anything big with him. Bledsoe is not going to be much better if at all any better then last year.

And Romo is doing well for someone that wasn’t drafted.

AW,
when vinny had everyone healthy what was wrong with him? he didnt have jj for the first 8 games basically which meant no run game they knew we were gonna only pass so vinny had to throw alot in double coverage. whitten emerged from it keyshon had his best year since his ealier years, glenn was having his best year till injury. i think if the defense wouldve played a lil better jj all year glenn not injured we couldve won 9 games. i do think bledsoe can win now, i think ithout a doubt he could win for a couple years. no i dont think hes our long term 10 year answer though, obviously.

Mike
Bledsoe is not that good he has been let go twice in his career once in his prime. If he is our clear cut starter next year something is wrong and if he is starting in year three we are in real trouble. Vinny made poor decisions he was a backup that got to start, that’s why he is at home now and if Bledsoe didn’t come here he would be backing someone else up. I would love to see Bledsoe being the backup next year

Guys,
I would have to MOSTLY agree with Chandus on this one. Bledsoe IS NOT the answer, but Buffalo are retards for choosing Losman the way they did. Rodgers? No. Green Bays choice notwithstanding, there is just something not right with the guy; at least as far as him being the next Marino goes (I have seen Rodgers play in person, and while it was only 1 game that is my gut feeling). We are OK FOR NOW. Although I should point out that no one else offered Bledsoe a contract (so much for one possible reason why Parcells’ former players follow him to where he is). We all know that Romo and Henson are probably not the long term answer, so………………we will have to draft a kid in the next 1-2 years. Until then we will be OK, but just OK.

I am encouraged that the expectations of Bledsoe is so low and the pessimism so high when he has yet to play an official game as our QB. Now if he really does suck a lot of people will just say they knew it all along, and if by some chance he kicks ass and has a good year people will start jumping on his bandwagon. Better than McNabb, Vick, or Culpepper who have fans that EXPECT their QB to take them to the Super Bowl or they will consider them a total failure.

I think a lot of people are placing way too much emphasis on the QB in Parcells’ system. He won with Phil Simms and Jeff Hostetler, and both of those guys were not even in the top half of the league at their position the years they won it all.

Of course we are going to have to draft another QB in the next few years. I doubt if Henson or Romo will be the answer for us.

As QB problems for the Cowboys go this is not that bad a situation. It’s not like we are choosing between Hogeboom, White and Pelluer. Even Troy’s first few years were pretty brutal when no one knew if Jimmy was going to go with him or Buerlein or Walsh. Of course it was nice to know we had Troy and I always had faith in him, but for a while I was worried Jimmy was going to either stay with Buerlein or go with his U of Miami boy Walsh and not give #8 the chance.

Things worked out then, and I have faith they will again.

James
Romo at best is a backup, Henson we dont know its only his 2nd year by next year we will know something. We are where we were last year with QB with a temp that would be some others teams backup.

AW,
I know that Bledsoe is not the answer. But for this year he will suffice. Now if The ’Boys do not invest in a QB next year (a young QB!), especially if Henson and/or Romo stink up the joint, I will be just as pissed as you. True enough, TunaMans system does not require a superstar QB, but I would still like to have better than a “bus driver”.

James:
Just a little correction, we don’t know if Bledsoe got offers from other teams because after getting fired from Buffalo came here and stayed. So saying that nobody wanted him, might be a big mistake.

AW:
Speaking of Ragone, I guess I’m hearing almost the same comments you hear, that he’s a QB stucked in a bad situation and that he could start for almost every team. Well, in recent past there was another guy labeled just the same, Doug Johnson, in 2003 was expected to fill for Vick and I think we all know what happened. Be careful of what you wish for. And I do know that Johnson was an Undrafted FA, but we heard the same things and Johnson had spent 3 years in the league prior that.

AW,
let go, alot of people in there prime get let go that doesnt mean anything, heard of salary cap? if not bledsoe who, tell me that? we let dexter coakley go is he washed up, the rams didnt think so giving him ALOT of money.

who would you guys have got in FA or the draft instead of bledsoe???

Mike
Bledsoe wasn’t let go because of the salary cap they didn’t want him anymore. What QBs you know are let go because of the salary cap that the team wants?
James
you are right we don’t need a superstar but understand this Bledsoe is going to take us anywhere and after BP leaves what are we going to have? JJ will still be good. I just want someone there that can still get better someone that can throw 20-25 TD year in year out. There are a lot of QB out there that can get the job done that are not a superstar. I’m not mad at Bledsoe being here nor am I happy he is here but I do not want him starting next year. Sometime the fan need to see the plan. If you get a QB in the draft it takes time.
Chandus
I’m not saying Ragone is the answer but I rather have him then Bledsoe on the fact he could get better and Bledsoe can’t.

quite possibly drew brees, i know he wont be under cantract but id bet my left testy he will be gone for youth, alot of people dump older players for youth. you still havent answered my question AW who would have got instead of bledsoe???

as far as parcells leaving, hes built pretty good teams in the past jets, patriots who wouldnt be where they are without parcells being there before. i think parcells is here for at least another year and he has an idea of what hes doing he drafted defense this year and id bet there will be some offensive players selected next year. hes building it takes more then a year or 2 to do that.

mike
You haven’t answered my question what QB has been let go that a team wants due to the cap???
You cant name brees, you don’t know what’s going to happen I bet if you blow it up again this year they will deal Rivers. Brees is not old enough to justify a move for youth.
He left the jets and patriots with a QB. I would have drafted a QB this year and would have had three fight it out to start and brought Vinny back to be a backup but only let him play if the one person that won the job got hurt. Sometimes you have to take a lost to get better.

well then they dealt a young qb then right, dude give it a break you have your opinions i have mine. name your starting qb for us smart guy.

and which qb would you have selected and which draft pick wouldnt you want? and why would you draft a qb when your trying to develope 2? makes no sense, now that they are doing crappy in training camp its easy to say what youd do. i was here posting during the draft dont remember anyone saying lets get a qb.

I would not have picked up Bledsoe so the young guys could fight it out and take a lost this year. And the fact is Bledsoe was let go because he wasn’t wanted. The bills will take a lost this year and better for it in the long term or they might not take that lost this year.

Lets be real Romo at best will be a backup and Henson is here to start. Im not saying that is what is going to happen but that is the plan.

AW,

The Cowboys did not sign Rivera and Ferguson and Henry and Glenn (as well as Bledsoe) to ‘take a lost this year’.

I’m sorry, but I see absolutely no reason to blow up a team before the season starts, just to develop a quarterback. Not when the team could be playoff-competitive. You do that only if you wish to become the next Bengals or Cardinals.

We are trying to develop two young quarterbacks. Meanwhile, we play Bledsoe and try to win football games. Gee! What a novel concept THAT is!

Next year, we may go a completely different route. That depends on what our current QBs do. Who knows? Bledsoe may play well and take the pressure off. A lot stranger things have happened in the NFL.

Many things could happen between now and next year. Some of them are even positive. So, I’m just not ready to give up on this year before we have played even one preseason game.

Mr Bill,
thank you been trying to get through his head for 2 days

Chandus,
It is no “big mistake” to speculate where Bledsoe may have gone and why he got no offers from anyone else that we on this blog were privy to.