Week One in Review
I was going to write a position by position review, based on what we've heard from week one of camp, but Clarence Hill did it for me.
So far lots of nice surprises, especially at the offensive line and running back. The free agent signees are impressing and the rookies show promise. Free safety and kicker are positions of concern. Quarterback is the giant question mark.
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anyone,
What are the rules for practice players in terms of other teams signing them. Can any team sign a player you have on the practice squad if they keep them on the active roster? I wonder if a Pettiti or Ratliff would be put on the practice squad. I think they have a lot of upside to them and would hate for another team to take them (ie like ben noll) when all they need is a year to work on a couple of things.
by J_MAN_VA on Aug 8, 2005 11:00 AM CDT reply actions
the player first have to clear waivers before a player can be put on the practice squad, so lets say, Ratliff, thompson, And pettiti are cut at the end of training camp, any team can claim them, and if a player is signed off another teams practice squad, he has to remain on the teams active roster
by Derrick on Aug 8, 2005 11:17 AM CDT reply actions
There will be some hard decisions to make at final cut time.
by James on Aug 8, 2005 11:47 AM CDT reply actions
James.
You are right on there,Alot of good competition in camp with alot of depth and I really think their are going to be some surprises coming on September 4th. Might be a trade even before, things just seem to be going along all to good right now
by Derrick on Aug 8, 2005 12:13 PM CDT reply actions
Derrick,
What’s YOUR speculation on a trade? Of course, with Spears down, Glover and Ellis are out for sure; even though I didn’t expect a possible trade there til at least the middle of the season, more likely after. Maybe the OL, we have some surplus there that somebody might spend a 6th or 7th rounder on. Maybe we could even pawn Henson off on someone LOL!
by James on Aug 8, 2005 12:17 PM CDT reply actions
I agree…very difficult cuts to make,but we can trim some of the dead weight(Tucker,Lynn Scott,Henson) and keep the players who want to make plays at this level!
by sharkz on Aug 8, 2005 12:19 PM CDT reply actions
I have been intently following this offseason like no other season since ’96. There is no doubt that this is the best group of FAs & Draft picks since the Herchel Walker windfall.
A look at the roster two years from now (when I believe they will win the Super Bowl)
Offense: (Really need 2 WRs & QB)
WR- ‘06 1st Round Pick (2)
TE – Witten (5)
RT – Rogers (4)
RG – Rivera (12)
C – Johnson (4)/Gurode (6)
LG – Peterman (4)
LT – Adams (10) or Pettiti (3)
QB – Henson/Brees/(5 for both, when QBs make/break)/?
RB – Jones (4)
RB – Bickerstaff/Barber (4/3)
WR – ? (I’m really cheering for Crowder & Rector)
Defense: (Need FS)
RE – Canty (3)
NT – Ferguson (11)
LE – Spears (3)
ROLB – Ware (3)
RILB – Nguyen (9)
LILB – James (5)
LOLB – Burnett (3)
RCB – Henry (7)
LCB – Newman (5)
SS – Williams (6)
FS – Beriault (3)
And the DL Rotation could include Ratliff (3), Ellis (10), Coleman (6), & Glover (12) though I think there will be a new NT between now & then. Secondary will have real depth with one or two of the young CBs coming on in year 4 or 5.
With the addition of a star WR and a serviceable QB from either FA or Draft (WR only), this team is going to be young and extremely talented.
If health and projections stay on schedule, we are 2-3 players away from another dynasty run. Next year we get ’em, the following year they gel.
But if the rookies excel, we could do it this year…we got the WRs.
Please, Lord, let Bledsoe have a Rypien/Dilfer/Warner season!
by Fighter15 on Aug 8, 2005 12:22 PM CDT reply actions
Fighter15,
What happened to LA? I think he will probably still be around. I don’t see James at ILB though. It’ll be Shanle or a draft pick. Agree about the FS issue. According to the latest projections for the ‘06 draft, there could be as many as 3-4 FS of first round value available next April. Not sure about recievers. Would be nice to draft Leinart, but I don’t see us up that high next year and probably too expensive to move up. Brees I don’t see as worth a trade, but if one is made, Rivers would be better; even though I have heard that he has the same mechanical problems as Henson. Good list all around.
by James on Aug 8, 2005 12:34 PM CDT reply actions
Fighter15 that the dumbest roster I have ever seen. Wheres LA and heson over brees get serious.
by mike on Aug 8, 2005 12:42 PM CDT reply actions
Fighter15- I assume you think LA’s interest will continue to dwindle and he will decide that he’s made his $ and doesn’t feel like working anymore. Seems each year he gets closer to that. A guy that wants to play and takes his job seriously doesn’t quit his conditioning test that he had 6 mos to get ready for. LA is a phenomenal lineman but I think he’s running out of drive. Maybe some external forces can keep him motivated(blocking for a RB that makes you look good and teammates that can take a leadership role-Rivera-off you shoulders).
by Sean on Aug 8, 2005 1:13 PM CDT reply actions
I suspect we’ll try to get something in return for a lineman. Look for possibly Tyson Walter, Gurode or Noll (or all three to get traded. Walter won’t be around for sure. Next i would say gurode would go but then we don’t have a back up center. I think pettiti stays but i am not sure he is good at LT. Seems more like a road grader RT type. Tucker will probably be released, hard to pry a pick for someone who gets abused by a no-name rookie free agent.
Next years draft looks good for ILB, OT,and WR. Leinhart is wishful thinking and I am not sold on Brees.
by J_MAN_VA on Aug 8, 2005 1:15 PM CDT reply actions
Rafael, I’m not losing any sleep over kicker. What we had last year was serviceable. That doesn’t mean I wouldn’t like to see an upgrade but we can make do with Cundiff. Next year we can teach the Aussie to kick off a tee so KO’s won’t be as big a factor. It’ll be time to bring in another promising rookie kicker as has been our past M.O.
by Sean on Aug 8, 2005 1:19 PM CDT reply actions
Poops! I can’t figure out who is going to be on this team two weeks from now, none the less two years? …. But it sure does look like Parcells has done with the Cowboys what he has done for New England and the Jets … that is put them in position to win for a long time!! .. Nice job Fighter!!
by EricR on Aug 8, 2005 1:19 PM CDT reply actions
All I know is we have a backup as a starting QB and Romo is a backup. Henson this is only his second year by next year he should be completing and winning the starting job. JJ needs to stop playing around with the QB spot and invest a high draft pick on one. But QB do take time to get the game down.
by AW on Aug 8, 2005 1:38 PM CDT reply actions
Hey, Ray Mickens was cut by the Jets to make room for Ty Law. He is a pretty good nickle corner, and Parcells has had him, and I think he likes him.
by EricR on Aug 8, 2005 1:52 PM CDT reply actions
Aw,
I understand what you are saying. Henson needs time to develop but then again, he should be able to throw a pass better than billy kilmer. i heard some of his passes in the scrimmage were awful. You’d think 6,000 passes over the offseason would be enough to get the physical aspect of the game down. I am quickly losing confidence in him.
by J_MAN_VA on Aug 8, 2005 1:54 PM CDT reply actions
I think Hensons arm is going through a dead period right now,almost like a pitcher in baseball, with all the throwing during the offseason, something like 6000 passes, your arm tends to go through that especially since his thowing motion was changed. Lets all wait a couple of weeks until after the second preseason game to make a final judgement on what cource of action will be takin with Henson. If his reads and passing doesn’t improve, I can see a veteran being brought in via a trade or free agent signing to give the backup roll some stability.
by Derrick on Aug 8, 2005 2:09 PM CDT reply actions
LA will be in his 14th year in two years…I think Peterman will beat him out by then.
I would agree that Pettiti & Jacobs will probably be switched (too lazy to correct).
For some reason, I still have faith in Bradie James…I think he’ll be a monster and yes, FS will be fixed next year (if not sooner).
WR is the easiest position to obtain two good-to-great starters.
That brings us to QB…what can you say…there are 25 + teams looking for a very good-to-great QB. Some franchises have never had one (Cardinals anyone?).
We either have to get lucky with Henson, trade for a sleeper, stay with a has-been, or hit the freakin’ lotto. No question the ‘Boys fate rides with Bledsoe for this season, maybe next. By then we should know about Henson. QBs rarely do well until they’re third playing year. Some take longer (i.e., recently inducted HOFer Young). Give Henson another year or two before throwing the baby out with the bath water.
by Fighter15 on Aug 8, 2005 2:16 PM CDT reply actions
Hey guys isn’t it funny that pete hunter wanted out of Dallas and go to the Jets because he was going to have a chance to become a starter but news out of Jets camp is that they just signed Ty Law. Doesn’t seem like he’s gonna be a starter. Ain’t Carma a B*!ch
by lilbeast on Aug 8, 2005 3:12 PM CDT reply actions
Fighter15 Says
What WR is the easiest????
Its not easy for the boy to do or we would have?
We haven’t had two good to great starters since The Playmaker and Harper. We would be so must better if Glenn was the #3 and Crayton was #4 with someone 6’2 about 25 or 26 years old that could make plays that would give us a real threat. JJ has treated WR like the QB just not as bad cutting corner instead of investing in a high pick or a young FA.
J_MAN_VA Says
I’m not saying Henson is the answer or not but a lot of good QB took a couple of years to get it. More took time then not. But if he is not playing by next year I would say something is wrong.
by AW on Aug 8, 2005 3:37 PM CDT reply actions
This may sound crazy to some…but I just don’t see the QB situation as being nearly as serious as a lot of people are predicting. BP’s M.O. in the past is to focus on defense and the running game first and foremost. He has one two Super Bowls with QB’s that I would classify as average at best. He lost a Super Bowl with the most talented QB he ever coached, who was coincidently a #1 draft pick.
The way I see it, BP has two qualifications to be a successful QB in his system. First, don’t make stupid mental errors or turnovers. Second, be able to move the ball forward down the field, whether by handing it off or getting it out to the TE or WR’s (occassionally). He doesn’t give a damn if his QB can check off 5 receivers in a West Coast Offense and hit the open man, throw the ball 80 yeards down the field to a streaking wide out, or run all over the place ala Mike Vick. Sure, all those things would be great, but they would actually DISTRACT from the offensive grind it out strategy that BP’s system is based on.
QB is not going to be an issue for us because BP’s system doesn’t let it become one if everything else is clicking. Last year everything else fell apart (defense) and the year before we had no serious running game and were too dependent on QC to win against the Panthers in the tournament.
Marino going in the HOF this weekend makes me think of all the many great QB’s with all the talent in the world who couldn’t take their team to the Championship. There are many more than just Marino…think about Fouts, Manning, Kelly, Moon, Tarkenton, just to name a few. In contrast, look at Hostetler, Warner, Dilfer, and Brad Johnson…all with Super Bowl rings.
Since I don’t anticipate having a high 1st round draft pick for awhile, I am just not worrying about a new QB for us. I am much more excited about the defense we are building. This could be the Millenium Version of the Doomsday Defense taking shape.
by Sterling on Aug 8, 2005 3:42 PM CDT reply actions
Sterling,
Lets say the boys get a pick around 20 next year, and there is a QB with the upside and talent of aaron rodgers do you think they should pick him up.
by Matt on Aug 8, 2005 3:58 PM CDT reply actions
Sterling:
Warner was a very precise monster in long yardage throws in his St Louis stay, in that particular moment he wouldn’t belong in the list of players where you named him.
Matt:
I’d much, much better take a WR in the first round next year, Keyshawn and Glenn have some more tread on their tires but as great number 2 receivers. Another option with that first rounder would be another LB for the 3-4, leaving FS for the 2nd round (There’s already too much money on that backfield).
by Chandus on Aug 8, 2005 4:05 PM CDT reply actions
Good call Chandus…WR will be our first pick. Doubtful for LB. Very little chance of a QB.
Sterling – Your observation is acute, in that teams with GREAT defenses have won with average Joe’s playing QB. But one thing stands out. Every one of the QBs on those teams had career years. Even Dilfer was up in the stats that year. The one consistent thread is a great D. But even given a great D, the QB must produce career years. None ever repeated, even though their D was as good or better. And, they’re the exception to the rules. I’d much rather have Bradshaw, Staubach, Montana, or Aikman. They consistently got their teams to the game…and usually won. There’s a reason why most MVPs have been QBs
by Fighter15 on Aug 8, 2005 4:18 PM CDT reply actions
Firefighter……..We have Bledsoe and he should do well with a good TE,our backup,Romo,was a touchdown machine in college(albiet mid-Atlantic confer)and our third stringer Henson just needs maybe a few more years(maybe 10 overall to catch on)lol…seriously he’s Jerry’s project and BP has more than hospitable to that….time to put the real players on the field!
by sharkz on Aug 8, 2005 4:57 PM CDT reply actions
I would take a nose tackle in the first round, either Wright or Ngatu. You can pick up a good wide reciever in the second and third rounds.
by Derrick on Aug 8, 2005 4:58 PM CDT reply actions
AW,
pull your head out man,
Bledsoe a backup???
the bills will be sorry they dumped him for losman, ok? and if you think henson is ready to be a starter you’d better go watch training camp. Also use a pick on a QB maybe they would if anyone available was as good as or better than Henson. They’ve said that a few times.
everyone wants to rag on Bledsoe, I say he’ll be one of the better passers in the NFC this year. Just because the Bills have nobody on the O-line isn’t Bledsoes fault. If you want a scrambling QB go cheer for the eagles or the falcons.
I think our pocket passer will surprise some people especially with three probowlers in front of him and an up and coming RB behind him.
look out!!!!
:):):)
by Danimal on Aug 8, 2005 5:06 PM CDT reply actions
heard cowboys might be interested in rey mickens, who we were supposedly interested in for hunter around draft time. now we get a draft pick from jets for hunter and they released mickens, so we might get 2 for 1 out of this. ranchreport is saying mickens is a good parcells guy and its a deffinete possibility.
by mike on Aug 8, 2005 5:15 PM CDT reply actions
Danimal WAKE UP.
YES THAT’S WHAT I SAID A BACKUP. Bledsoe came here because he knew he could start here because we like to start backups. I didn’t say Bledsoe sucks or anything but he is a good backup a so-so starter. Is Bledsoe better then what he had last year? a little bit but that’s not saying much. Is he the best QB here since #8? Yes but he is a temp not a fix at QB. I never said Henson is ready to start but by next year if he is not completing for the starting job something is wrong. Sometimes you have to throw them out there to see what they have.
by AW on Aug 8, 2005 5:23 PM CDT reply actions
I dont anymore old bill players, all that does is take away from the development a young one on the roster.
ENOUGH, NO MORE, OLD VETS
by Derrick on Aug 8, 2005 5:27 PM CDT reply actions
Derrick
you are so right the game is the best teacher sometimes, let the young guys play so see what they got.
by AW on Aug 8, 2005 5:40 PM CDT reply actions
if the vet gives me a better chance to win a super bowl and contend then so be it. unless we have a future darren woodson sitting and waiting then give me a guy with experience and lets go.
by mike on Aug 8, 2005 5:43 PM CDT reply actions
mike
we wont know if we have a future woodson there unless you let him play.
And a vet wont make us a super bowl team right now anyway. It would be nice to go after a young FA for once.
by AW on Aug 8, 2005 5:47 PM CDT reply actions
Matt:
No I don’t see any QB prospects (other than Leinart, which we won’t have a shot at) that would be worthy of spending a 1st round pick on. If we end up drafting 20th as in your example, I would go for either an OT (maybe Eric Winston, Jonathan Scott, or Winston Justice if they were still on the board, if not Davin Joseph from OU should be there) or if for some odd reason Teddy Ginn Jr. came out early from Ohio St. and fell far enough to us I’d go for him in a heartbeat, he reminds me of an Eric Metcalf-type utility player that would really help the team. Other than that, the only other position I would want to see us use a #20 pick on would be in the secondary. If we could get a FS like Jason Allen (Landry from LSU if he comes out) or a CB like Jimmy Williams or even Devin Hester if he comes out early. It always depends on how the board shapes up on draft day.
1st Round QB’s are a dicey proposition and can potentially blow up the salary cap and take a long time to develop. (Watch the Giants and Bills try to build heir teams over the next few years…lol) I don’t think BP or JJ wants to deal with all that goes with that…I know I don’t want to wait 3-4 years for the Boys to get back to the Super Bowl. Think about it…Staubach was a 10th rounder (because of the military thing, but still 10th round is ridiculous for a Heisman winner), Montana was a 3rd rounder, and Tom Brady was a 6th rounder. I’d rather see us use our 1st round picks on position players and get our QB’s and WR’s either in the later rounds or through free agency.
Chandus:
Good point about Warner, I guess he doesn’t belong with those other guys, but he hasn’t done much since. Replace his name with Jim McMahon.
Fighter15:
I’d rather have Bradshaw, Staubach, Montana, or Aikman too…unfortunately I don’t see QB’s out there like them at the moment (other than Brady) and I don’t really see any that resemble them coming up through the college ranks. Maybe Leinart will get there, but he could just as easily turn out to be another Marino if he gets drafted by the wrong team. The bottom line is QB’s are one of the most high risk investments a team makes in its future, and history shows that more teams get burned and end up wasting a lot of time, money, and losing seasons trying to pick the next superstar QB than teams that find a late-round diamond in the rough or bring in a solid (but not spectacular) FA that can get the job done. If you build a strong, deep team around the QB and WR’s then you are less dependent on them and don’t have to worry as much about having your season blow up because of one key injury to your star. We all would love to see another Staubach or Aikman leading us to the Super Bowl year after year, but the chances of finding another like them is not looking too promising at this moment in time for any team.
by Sterling on Aug 8, 2005 6:17 PM CDT reply actions
Mike.
Do you know that the four oldest teams last year all had losing records.Is that a coincidence, I think not. The New NFL is a young mans game, and filling your roster with over thirty year olds doesn’t bowed well for winning long term or the short term for that matter and adding a player like Mickens who’s playing time would be so limited with the likes of NEWMAN,HENRY,and GLENN, why would you waste another roster spot for another old player like him that doesn’t help you win but rather takes away from the young players. I hear it on this blog and other forums, WHY DONT WE DEVELOP OUR OWN YOUNG PLAYERS.
SO, I DONT WANT ANYMORE OF OTHER TEAMS CASTOFFS, WHO BY THE WAY ARE GETTING RID OF THESE OLD PLAYERS SO THEY CAN GET THEIR YOUNG PLAYERS ON THE FIELD.
by Derrick on Aug 8, 2005 6:17 PM CDT reply actions
AW,
About receivers, Parcells discussed this in one of his press conferences last week. What he claimed was that there were more high-quality receivers available in any draft than at other positions. I agree with him on this. So, we can anticipate that several highly rated receivers will be available to us in next years draft. What he didn’t mention was the high failure rate at that position. Every year, it seems that there are 6 or 8 ’can’t miss’ receivers who go early in the draft. But every year, a high percentage of those ’can’t miss’ guys … do. So, the trick is to find the ones who can fulfill their promise at the NFL level. That’s not so easy, and wasn’t followed up on by the reporters or addressed by Parcells.
by Mr. Bill on Aug 8, 2005 6:24 PM CDT reply actions
so we should rid ourselves of ferguson, keyshon, glenn, bledsoe, dat? all im saying is id rather have a vet who knows how to play then have a rookie thats gonna get beat constantly and not help us. you can develope players nothing wrong with that, but i know like fs for example noone is stepping up yet still a big concern.
by mike on Aug 8, 2005 6:33 PM CDT reply actions
Sterling
We have been cutting the corner on QB since #8 left and where has it gotten un nowhere but backups starting. We go through the same thing every year. Most of the teams that were in the playoffs last year had a high pick QB running the show I didn’t say all but most. All those losing seasons we had we should have been developing a high pick QB and WR. Next year we have to bring a WR in that can make plays. In two years we are going to need a QB unless Henson or Romo steps up. I think by next year we are going to need to know if one of them can start or not. The good teams build by the draft.
by AW on Aug 8, 2005 6:37 PM CDT reply actions
About Mickens,
I’m with Derrick on this one.
We have 3 high-quality CBs, and Newman is receiving high praise from Parcells for his work in the nickel. But, we need a backup for nickel corner, so Parcells says he moving some other guys (he didn’t specify which ones) in there. This happens to coincide with Mickens being released by the Jets. Naturally, people begin to speculate. But, I would rather not sign an older player like Mickens to be a backup nickel cornerback; not when we have several YOUNG candidates on our own roster who can fulfill that ‘need’. We first need to see what those younger players can do. If they all fail, which I doubt will happen, then we can bring in Mickens or someone like him.
Remember, we are talking about ‘backup nickel cornerback’ here. I would think free safety would be a higher priority [and I’m not even all that worried about that one]. Let’s see what Frazier or Thornton or Jones or Reeves or Williams can do first. As it is, we will probably have to cut 2 of those guys. Bring in Mickens, who probably won’t be here in 2006, and we force out another one.
by Mr. Bill on Aug 8, 2005 6:40 PM CDT reply actions
not saying we should get him read what i put first i said i read it and if we did the trade that would have brought him here didnt happen and we still get him along with a draft pick. if you have a ranchreport subscription go read about how old we really are not as old as you think. it says in there with our 22 projected starters we have an average of 5.5 years of experience. the super bowl team of 92 had a 4.4 or something like that, it was a year different. not bad. im not saying to go and get him what i am saying is that if you have a younger guy who cant get the job done then get someone else who can.
by mike on Aug 8, 2005 6:44 PM CDT reply actions
Mr. Bill
We still need a playmaker. We haven’t had a playmaker since The Playmaker left. There are a lot of can’t miss players that miss that is the risk you take its up to your scouts to find the right one and our scouting team has sucked since Jimmy left. And I’m fine with getting a WR next year but I would like it to be a high round pick that can start now.
by AW on Aug 8, 2005 6:47 PM CDT reply actions
derrick,
developing young players is a extremely good thing, and something yuou deffinetely have to do. just to let you know im not disagreeing with you i just put what the ranchreport was saying cause alot of people dont have a subscription.
by mike on Aug 8, 2005 6:47 PM CDT reply actions
AW:
We were trying to develop a high pick QB for all those losing seasons named Quincy Carter. He was our first pick in the draft a few weeks after Troy retired. Unfortunately, we didn’t have a 1st round pick that year (2001) or the year before (2000) because we traded them to Seattle to get Joey Galloway to replace Michael Irvin after he had retire early. We traded away our future for a WR and we ended up not having a good QB to throw to him because of concussions to #8 and wasting 3 years trying to develop a high draft choice QB.
I agree in 2 years or so we are going to have to find a new QB…no doubt about that. I would just prefer we scout a mid to late round prospect that can get the job done instead of blowing out the salary cap on a 1st or 2nd rounder that is unproven at the pro level. The salary cap is part of the reason we weren’t able to build for the future at QB back when we still had most of the Dynasty team together. We kept having to trade out of the 1st round because we couldn’t fit a 1st rounder under the cap and keep our stud FA’s.
by Sterling on Aug 8, 2005 6:58 PM CDT reply actions
The reason why the pats and eagles do so well, is that they draft well, and add a veteran or two to their young nucleus to get them over the hump, but the Cowboys get a veteran nucleus and then add more veterans instead of developing the young players that push the older vets, and when the vets are holding out for more money and are not worth the extra money, they have the young players ready to take the vets spot on the starting lineup. Just look at the players the eagles and pats have cut over the last three years, and they continue to win every year. We had a couple of good drafts, but more is needed to get this team back to the superbowl.The young nucleus is starting to develop. Bill, at his age is a coach who’s been trying to win now,not looking at the future of this team. We had a great draft, but this team still has some holes and are thin in some areas, but we are starting to head in the right direction, but these young players have to be thrown into the fire sometimes to see how they react. When jimmy was the coach, he gutted this team, took his lumps and the players took theirs, but in the long run the team learned and gelled and was better off to take their run at multiple superbowls.Jimmy said of Darren woodson, that he made a mistake not getting him in there earlier to learn on the job.
by Derrick on Aug 8, 2005 7:00 PM CDT reply actions
Speaking of nucleus, he built one in New England, he built one in New York. Now he is building one in Dallas. … I’ll tell you, for all the bashing he has taken on this blog (of all places?) .. For Carl Banks and Jim Burt to take time out of their schedules just to help their old ball coach, says a lot about the man. … Thank you, Bill!!
by EricR on Aug 8, 2005 7:21 PM CDT reply actions
everyone is forgetting about vince young from texas. i really like this kid. i think mike vick’s brother will come out next year to. i think in next years draft. we either get an outstanding wr, or a very good QB. even if we have to trade someone and a draft pick(s) to get high enough to get someone.
i don’t think that we need to sign mickens. we should go with what we have in the nickel. if we sign him; that takes away a roster spot from one of the rookies. no one is saying that terrell owens is old. (just a pain in the ass!) no one is saying that marvin harrison is old. people seems to forget they where drafted in the same year. and just because you have a young corp at wr doesn’t make you good. just take a look at the lions. they are young, but they get injured too.
you win games on talent and schemes and how good you are coached; not how old or young you are!!!!
by Darrell M on Aug 8, 2005 7:33 PM CDT reply actions
Everyone,
Did you all read Nick Eatman’s last article, This Team’s Mr. Irreplacable? Out of all the Cowboys he said Terry Glenn was the player hardest to replace, and this time I kind of agree with him. One of those players in his 30s, but me, I don’t care about age, if he is healthy Glenn makes plays .. period. Eatman describes a fluid reciever, which is a little different from a player with natural speed, a point that I have argued on this blog before. Its that fluidness that would be missed so much. (excellent job by Eatman)While Keyshawn and others can get opened and catch the ball, Glenn can make players miss, and turn a 5 yard dump off into a 60 yard TD. Like I said though I kind of agree with Nick, because the Cowboys have another player similar to Terry, and that is Julius Jones. Me, I haven’t seen burst through the whole, like Julius shows, in a very long time in Cowboy land. .. Wonderful to watch him. … JJ is my Mr. Irreplaceable. Who is yours?
by EricR on Aug 8, 2005 7:40 PM CDT reply actions
Vince young? He throws for about 120 yards a game.He’s not an NFL prospect.
wasnt mike Vicks brother kicked out of school or suspended for this year.
by Derrick on Aug 8, 2005 7:43 PM CDT reply actions
Sterling,
Great point about building around or defending against one player (QB). Reminds me of the ‘86 NCAA Basketball Tournament when David Robinson and his fellow Navy boys were shocking the country. They got to the Elite 8 and everyone was lamenting how Robinson was a one man team and how will Navy would not be be stopped because he was good enough to win on his own. I forget who Navy played (Syracuse I think?) in the Regional Final, but whoever it was kicked Navy’s ass. How? Robinson was good enough to carry an entire team. That was the point of the defensive game plan of Navy’s opponent. Robinson can’t be stopped, so let him do whatever he wants. We’ll stop the rest of the Navy players, which they did. Robinson had his usual great game, around 30 points I think, while no one else on Navy did a damn thing.
True enough, BP’s system DOES allow a so called “bus driver” to run the team from the QB position. In his system, an opponent will not be able to key on stopping just one guy (like Robinson, or Marino, etc.); or on stopping the rest of the team, thereby negating the superstars performance.
We will be OK, just not spectacular. Although we do need to realize that we need a bona-fide player at QB the next 1 to 2 drafts. We also need to realize that, barring a miracle, it ain’t gonna be Leinart. Next year we spend our first rounder on a WR or FS, whichever is the better player when we are on the board.
by James on Aug 8, 2005 7:45 PM CDT reply actions
Eric R,
Are you trying to get a job as BP’s personal secretary? No offense man, but you couldn’t be more obvious about the brownnosing! He’s a great coach. We ALL know that. But sorry, he’s still an imperfect human being.
by James on Aug 8, 2005 7:50 PM CDT reply actions
Darrell M:
I have seen quite a bit of Vince Young and with the exception of the Rose Bowl he really hasn’t shown me a damn thing. It will be interesting to see how much he rises or falls on the draft boards this year without Cedric Benson for defenses to worry about. Either way, I can’t imagine him being an elite NFL QB.
Marcus Vick? Dude… Has he ever thrown more than 10 passes in a game ever? Drafting someone just because of their last name makes no sense. Look at Ozzie Canseco…for example. Plus he’s been in all kinds of trouble.
I don’t see too many receivers that I would spend a 1st round pick on next year unless Teddy Ginn Jr. or Dwayne Jarrett declares himself eligible. That Moss guy in Miami and Holmes from Ohio St. are good but they are waaaay too small for my taste. I hope we pick up at least one or two good WR’s in the 3rd or 4th round next year and use our 1st round pick for a really good OT to replace Tucker/Whoever ends up starting or to finally square away the secondary.
by Sterling on Aug 8, 2005 8:09 PM CDT reply actions
Eric R,
Have you considered that Banks and Burt might be in Oxnard, at least in part, for their own selfish reasons? Perhaps they owed BP a favor? Perhaps both would like to be assistant coaches in their own right. Why not get some informal experience and the reference that will go along with it, from their former employer? That is how things are done in the world. If BP is doing that for them, then good for him. His stock just went up a little in my book. I honestly don’t think they were helping TunaMan out of the goodness of their own hearts though, at least not totally. You have to learn to read between the lines and not blindly accept someone’s PUBLIC IMAGE. After reading your last post, I am honestly and sincerely concerned for you.
by James on Aug 8, 2005 8:18 PM CDT reply actions
Sterling
Quincy Carter was a bad pick for the 2nd round. He would have been there in 4th round or later. That was our scouting team so I dont count him as a high pick. mid to late round prospect on a QB. Most of the good QBs are high round picks. QBs dafted after the 3th round are not dafted to start but if they do its a plus.
by AW on Aug 8, 2005 8:49 PM CDT reply actions
AW,
Thats not the scouting teams fault. The fault lays at the feet of the owner/GM JERRY JONES, PERIOD.
HE’S THE ONE BIG REASON WHY THIS TEAM HAS BEEN DISMAL DRAFTING, AND WHY WE DONT HAVE ANY PLAYER ON THE ROSTER FROM THE 96-01 DRAFT OTHER THAN ADAMS AND DAT.WHEN BILL LEAVES THIS ORGANIZATION, I HOPE JERRY GET IT INTO HIS LARGE EGOED HEAD TO HIRE A FOOTBALL GUY AS OUR GENERAL MANAGER.
by Derrick on Aug 8, 2005 9:09 PM CDT reply actions
Derrick,
Good Point. I wonder why BP and Jerry J have been able to get along this long. Will it take a SB victory to split them up like it did he and Jimmy?
by James on Aug 8, 2005 9:11 PM CDT reply actions
AW:
I agree QC was a terrible pick, but he was the first draft pick we took after Aikman’s retirement a couple of weeks before. Other than Vick and Drew Brees (neither of which we had a shot at because we didn’t have a 1st round pick) I don’t recall there being any other QB’s in that draft that amounted to anything. The year before we didn’t have a 1st round pick and we still had Troy. No one could have known he only had one more year left in him then…he was still pretty young. In 2002 I think JJ’s ego got in the way and he didn’t want to pick another QB in the first round because he wanted to give QC a chance and disprove all the people (myself included) who thought he blew it by drafting QC. 2003 same story. 2004 no 1st round pick. This year no one worth 1st round pick.
Hey…at least we got Roy and T-New out of those drafts.
I’ll be surprised if Leftwich or Grossman ever win a Super Bowl. Kyle Boller might…but it will be more because of Jamal Lewis and the defense than because of him.
by Sterling on Aug 8, 2005 9:19 PM CDT reply actions
For Mickens I dont think theres any way. We have enough good corners. Glenn Newman and Henry are proven, Frazier showed flashes of potential, and Reeves, Jones, and Thorton have some potential and are real young.
Marcus Vick, from what I’ve seen, is real bad. The guys only hyped up cuz of who his brother is. If he weren’t related to Mike Vick, he would be another nobody. Also, when was the last time a scrambling QB won a super bowl? John Elway I guess, I’m not a history buff but I know that the QB’s that have won aren’t the ones running for 100 yards a game.
I still say Julius is our Mr Irreplaceable. Glenn is a good choice, so is Bledsoe because our backups haven’t proved a thing. But if Bledsoe goes down again, we have Henson or Romo or even Vinny if we were that desperate. Julius we can’t replace, because our WR’s aren’t that good and too much pressure will be on the QB.
Also about Parcells I like the idea of bringing in proven guys for advice. If you were a WR you wouldnt listen to Jerry Rice? I don’t like all the guys methods, but if what he does gets us back to the playoffs and a feared team again, I dont care how he does it.
by Lou on Aug 8, 2005 9:27 PM CDT reply actions
I think had we drafted Moss instead of Ellis Aikman might just now be retiring.
by Cash on Aug 8, 2005 10:10 PM CDT reply actions
James:
I doubt there are any alterior motives with Carson and Burt. If you listened to Parcells’ Mon. press conference, he described them as championship players who have flourishing businesses after football. An assistant coach in the NFL makes about 2 to 3 hundred thousand dollars a year and works about 90 hours a week. Someone with a “flourishing business” usually earns about a million each month and has a whole lot of free time (Bill describing their busy schedule pretty much means they gave up golf and speaking appearances).
I’m surprised you guys have next years draft all worked out since the college season hasn’t been played yet. Why don’t we wait and see what happens?
Leinart is a weak character guy that we don’t need. He happens to play on a really good team with a really good college coach. If you watched him at all last year, you could see his ball sails – that won’t get it done.
How do you explain his decision to stay for another year? He doesn’t have the arm or the brains for the NFL. Let someone else take him!
Our QB and WR’s of the future will show up. BP will find them. There’s only a few more things to fix! We’re gettin’ there.
by Big Jim on Aug 8, 2005 10:11 PM CDT reply actions
James:
I doubt there are any alterior motives with Carson and Burt. If you listened to Parcells’ Mon. press conference, he described them as championship players who have flourishing businesses after football. An assistant coach in the NFL makes about 2 to 3 hundred thousand dollars a year and works about 90 hours a week. Someone with a “flourishing business” usually earns about a million each month and has a whole lot of free time (Bill describing their busy schedule pretty much means they gave up golf and speaking appearances).
I’m surprised you guys have next years draft all worked out since the college season hasn’t been played yet. Why don’t we wait and see what happens?
Leinart is a weak character guy that we don’t need. He happens to play on a really good team with a really good college coach. If you watched him at all last year, you could see his ball sails – that won’t get it done.
How do you explain his decision to stay for another year? He doesn’t have the arm or the brains for the NFL. Let someone else take him!
Our QB and WR’s of the future will show up. BP will find them. There’s only a few more things to fix! We’re gettin’ there.
by Big Jim on Aug 8, 2005 10:13 PM CDT reply actions
Cash,
Aikman retired due to health reasons, not because of the wide reciever position. Moss is a cancer,period and like bill stated before, he has no time or thugs and hoodlums. I just hope Jerry remembers that when Bill retires.
by Derrick on Aug 8, 2005 10:16 PM CDT reply actions
Derrick,
I know why Aikman retired. Before I judge you on what you know about football, know that a WR like Moss can help prevent a QB from being hit in the backfield. How many times could he have avoided being hit by simply being able to lob a deep bomb to the best jump ball catching WR to ever play the game. Anyone here who thinks Ellis was the right pick over moss needs to immediate slash their wrists in a warm tub of water.
by Cash on Aug 8, 2005 10:29 PM CDT reply actions
Big Jim,
Read the article in dc.com. Burt and Banks are here officially as INTERIM CONSULTANTS/COACHES. I don’t care if they are taking time out of their schedules or not, they are not here soley out of the goodness of their hearts! Business is not done this way at this level. To one extent or another it is all “quid pro quo”. I would never describe their presence as “ULTERIOR” ANYWAY. It’s just business, even if it’s business among friends, which is STILL BUSINESS. No offense, but if you base your assumptions on what BP says in his press conferences; you are making the same mistake as the mediots who just re-package what he says for their articles.
Cash,
Was that you talking to Derrick or was it me. LOL!
by James on Aug 8, 2005 11:25 PM CDT reply actions
James,
As Big Jim said, both Jim Burt and Carl Banks are successful business owners, who would have absolutely no interesting in the headaches (and pay cut) involved in becoming assistant coaches somewhere.
So why do they do it? Out of respect for Parcells, yes. But, also because the ENJOY IT! They get to run around and teach and be part of a team again, for a few days. Then they can walk away, forget about it, and go home to their families. No responsibilities, no worries, just fun! Just read the reports of how they are reacting, with Banks asking the trainer for a helmet and Burt ragging on Parcells, complaining about the centers holding ‘his guys’. They are reliving their youth, and loving every minute of it.
By the way, they have done this for Parcells before, with the Jets.
by Mr. Bill on Aug 8, 2005 11:39 PM CDT reply actions
Good for them, were I to have the same opportunities I would do the same. But as I said, there WAS something in it for them wasn’t there. Even if it was innocent. Come on, BP is a football coach not the Pope.
by James on Aug 8, 2005 11:50 PM CDT reply actions
James,
“Interim Consultants” means the players need to shut the F*** up and listen like you need to do. No one can explain why they are “SOLEY” (since we’re correcting spelling to make a point) there, but I am familiar with what Burt does, and the lifestyle that affords since I have a “thriving business” myself.
Having those guys there, and hopefully L.T. soon is an ASSET.
by BigJim on Aug 9, 2005 12:13 AM CDT reply actions
James:
You’re way off on this one, your defense on the psychological is strong on the side that doesn’t like them and is understandable. But your implications of those guys coming in here because they could get something out of Bill or from the experience is a pretty weak one. Last week a retired coach came for the third cosecutive camp to give advise to Bill, I don’t remember his name. And in previous years he’s got past players of his coming here, and what have they got? Guys like Ben Coates came and Megget came last year. And is this a coincidence? Those guys came and Witten, who’s in Coates mold, had a breakout year and we had a clear winner on the special teams best player, Davis. I don’t remember the guys that came the prior year, but I recall that there were a couple coming too. What’ve they made from that experience? Nothing because they have something else working for them. And if they’re after a coaching job, don’t you think that those guys could have landed them after all this time they have spent retired?
I know you don’t like Parcells and we’re not supposed to, but for that you’re in no place to criticize every move Parcells makes, because that would be plain dumb.
by Chandus on Aug 9, 2005 1:27 AM CDT reply actions
Gents: I’m a wishful Henson fan too. But this is the truth – Henson is looking terrible thus far. I was at the scrimmage and saw him do absolutely nothing. Nothing. Believe me, Romo didn’t just out play him – he destroyed him. Both had snaps in the 2nd and 3rd teams. Romo moved the ball and hit receivers. Henson, time after time, just did not. He looked snaky, uncertain, in a rush. Sure, it could have just been an exceptionally bad (and unlucky) day for Henson, but I didn’t see it that way.
Yes, the guy has potential. He’s big, he’s fast (during the running drills post practice, he’s easily the quickest to finish within the group of QBs and TEs) and he can zing it during practice when there’s no rush. That’s why we gave up a 3rd pick for him
But he has no experience. He only started one season at Michigan and then went to play baseball. He’s been out of the game for 3 years (I think). Instincts, probably the most important trait for a succesful QB, he doesn’t yet have. He can’t — he needs time to develop that.
He’s stunk it up. Reports have been saying this in so many words during this year’s training camp. Parcells will, of course, say nothing. But this is the truth – thus far he stinks. No way we can turn the offense over to him unless his job is to hand-off to JJ 30 times a game (and Thomas 10 more and Barber 10 more). I wish this weren’t true.
At best, he’s a development effort for Dallas. If a mirable happens, he progresses this year despite no playing time and impresses the coaches enough to delay us from drafting a top QB candidate in next year’s draft.
by Carioca on Aug 9, 2005 2:09 AM CDT reply actions
james,
they came as a favor to parcells he told them they didnt have to come down but they did anyways. LT will be here to maybe this week or next to give ware some pointers, it just shows what kind of people these players turn out to be that parcells has.
by mike on Aug 9, 2005 2:24 AM CDT reply actions
Guys,
Burt and Carson seem to have that comradery with Parcells, joking and Parcells even said Burt wrestled him to the ground, and it took 5 minutes. If you listen to Parcells press conference it was a treat to hear him talk about them, as if they were his own sons. .. Its that playfulness, and “fatherly charm” that seems to have his players always going back. He seems to already have developed that with Canty and Witten too. .. I almost cried when Parcells said two years ago after the Carolina game, “You can’t call them loosers anymore!” .. I thought that was in admiration of how Quincy was picked at by some fans and all the media, by being labeled a looser. Parcells couldn’t even hold back his feelings, when he saw a kid that he was close to overcoming his skeptics, to lead his team to a winning record. .. Anyway its really nice to see him joking with Witten and Canty, and a few of the other guys.
by EricR on Aug 9, 2005 7:11 AM CDT reply actions
Lou,
Its Julius right now, but boy the way they are talking about Ware, he may be closer than we think.
.. Did anyone else read Nick Eatman’s article about Mr. Irreplacable? I thought it was good. Should all take a look at it.
by EricR on Aug 9, 2005 7:34 AM CDT reply actions
Burt and Banks showing up is definitely because of their relationship with BP, and I see no other motives other than genuine affection for a man that helped them achieve and have successful careers in the NFL. Period. If they received any stipend for their expenses or even some sort of monetary compensation for their time it would have only been because BP insisted on it…there is no way a coach like Parcells has to bribe his old friends who happen to also be his former players to come lift the morale of his current team.
I am quite sure if Jimmy Johnson got back into coaching he would have no trouble getting a lot of his former players that he was close with and who won with him to come out to training camp and talk to his new team. Anyone who has ever played football knows how strong the bonds can be between coaches and their former players, especially on teams that win championships. Just look at how many of BP’s former players follow him where ever he goes. That’s loyalty…plain and simple.
by Sterling on Aug 9, 2005 7:55 AM CDT reply actions
I don’t know that Q. Carter was the wrong pick per se but i
do think the way he was thrust into the starting position
was wrong.He was a raw talent that clearly needed some
work…..maybe alot of work which he didn’t get.
What was most troubling about Q is he never progressed
as a QB year in year out same mistakes.Even this past year
with the jets in the games he played he still looked like
the same guy.
by becker on Aug 9, 2005 9:29 AM CDT reply actions
EricR,
i read it and i find alot of truth to it, the offense took a crap when he went down.
by mike on Aug 9, 2005 9:39 AM CDT reply actions
mike,
Yeah, I thought it was one of Eatman’s best. .. More so because it was his own thoughts and he was not just going with the flow. I thought it was especially good because he described the differences between a sprinter, who can run super fast on the track, and a fluidly fast and smooth football player, that moves quickly on the field. .. Anyway .. Who do you think is Mr. Irreplacable?
by EricR on Aug 9, 2005 9:48 AM CDT reply actions
James, this pathological hatred of BP is worrying.
You need to get some professional help.
by Burmafrd on Aug 9, 2005 10:05 AM CDT reply actions
Burt and company are not looking for deals, or jobs, or anything else. It is a chance to be with their old coach once again, and share memories of great days and championships. To teach the next generation a little of what they know, and pass it on.
For someone to try and make it more than that indicates some serious psychological problems.
by Burmafrd on Aug 9, 2005 10:07 AM CDT reply actions
becker
Q was a bad pick for the 2nd round because he would have been there later. So if we would have got him were he should have got him people wouldnt be so down on him. They didn’t do a good job developing him by putting him in early and then putting him in and out like that. Q is a backup that cant throw in the middle of the field.
by AW on Aug 9, 2005 10:28 AM CDT reply actions
Don’t you guys get it B.P. can’t win.It is damed if he does
damed if he doesn’t.Didn’t he get scorched by guys because
he didn’t mentor A.B.???Now he there is some double secret
reason he has Burt and Banks come to camp!By the way B.P.
cut Burt and he went on to play for the 49ers and win a S.B.
with them so its not like he was a B.P. lackey who became
an assitant right after his giant career.
by becker on Aug 9, 2005 10:30 AM CDT reply actions
Sterling,
Right on! .. You talk about loyalty. Here is what some other former players had to say about the Tuna:
Adrian Murrell said, “I’ll will run through a wall for the man.” After questions arose about his deminished roll on the Jets.
Yahoo.com reported:
Lawrence Taylor looked up from the pile of footballs he was signing Saturday to find Cowboys coach Bill Parcells walking toward him.
“Billy,” he hollered before enveloping his former coach in a big bear hug and planting a kiss on his cheek.
“Look at you, all slim and trim, wearing your Tommy Bahama,” Taylor said. “You look good, man. You look refreshed.”
“Me and Bill are like a couple that has been married for 30 years,” Taylor said. “They don’t say much, but they know they love each other. That’s how we are.”
by EricR on Aug 9, 2005 10:36 AM CDT reply actions
Aw,
i agree he was draft way too high and the expectations
didn’t help him plus coming out of the Georgia program
which isn’t noted for its passing didn’t bode well.
I have always thought B.P. should have grabbed one
of the many FA qbs that were available the first spring
when he got to Dallas but then again the cap was a
concern.
by becker on Aug 9, 2005 10:45 AM CDT reply actions
Burmafrd,
You are not the only one that has pointed that out either. The shame of the anti-Parcells stuff is that it comes up every damn topic!! Jeez, its like dallas.com reports Drew Bledoe completed a pass, and someone, we all know who, posts, “There is BP and his head games at work agian.” .. You are right someone like this is in need of serious help! .. Thank you for supporting that opinion.
by EricR on Aug 9, 2005 10:46 AM CDT reply actions
Sounds like Key and Drew did some proper relaxing on their day off:
THE TWO FACES OF EVA? “Desperate Housewives” manslayer Eva Longoria may or may not be engaged to San Antonio Spur Tony Parker, but he was nowhere to be seen Sunday when she took to the pool at the Hollywood Roosevelt Hotel with Dallas Cowboys teammates Drew Henson and Keyshawn Johnson. “It was like a harem of athletes around her,” says an eyewitness. “I didn’t see a ring on her finger. She was all over the place in her little pink bikini, flirting with Jason Pomeranc.”
by Rob on Aug 9, 2005 10:50 AM CDT reply actions
becker
I was made when we drafted him even or mad how high because if he would have stayed in school he wasn’t going to be the starter. So how do you go from being a future backup in college to a starter in the NFL. And its not like he would have been backing up a all pro in college.
Sam Weathers
Three years I don’t think so maybe two but I thinking one. They will rule this year but they will have a fight next year maybe this year.
by AW on Aug 9, 2005 11:12 AM CDT reply actions
becker
And BP did try to go after a QB, he wanted that guy from carolina panthers before he signed with them.
by AW on Aug 9, 2005 11:21 AM CDT reply actions
ot- sorry to hijack the thread, rafael, i will be in oxnard on Monday 15. let me know if i can be of assitance.
dave
by dave on Aug 9, 2005 12:08 PM CDT reply actions
Sam:
The Eagles are already looking over their shoulder! Two weeks ago McNabb was interviewed, I think for SI, and he said that he knew that their window of oportunity could be closing, and that’s a big comment, one that hasn’t been heard by any Eagle player in recent years, because they’ve been doing an excellent job in the Draft and Free Agency. This year there was more of the same and their leader comments that, what does that says to you? I guess the same that says to me, that they’re looking over their shoulder and see a couple of teams that’re coming along.
Eric:
That thing about Glenn, was kind of obvious, don’t you think? As soon as he came down and Bryant wasn’t to be trusted, Parcells didn’t had his explosive receiver. That’s why I have been defending Glenn and Key, since we didn’t drafted a receiver, Glenn if healthy can be a pretty good receiver, even in awkward positions, and Keyshawn will do everything under rules limits to catch the ball over the CB. The one guy I’m looking up for not loosing is Ferguson, without him, everything that has been training is worthless, because they would return to the 4-3 in a heartbeat.
by Chandus on Aug 9, 2005 12:13 PM CDT reply actions
AW:
Yes, he wanted Delhomme, because he already knew that Carter would be nothing more that a bus driver. He wanted a better one, one that at least could throw the ball everywhere with precision. In the end he got that with Testaverde and now with Bledsoe. And you can say anything about movility, but they can really throw everywhere, the catch is having them releasing the ball in 3 seconds and if they accomplish that Bledsoe will be sacked much less than in previous seasons.
And then you realize that Rogers, the seemingly front runner for the ROT, forte is pass blocking, Parcells last comment was: “He needs to get better where he’s good and needs to understand his liabilities (I guess run blocking, he’s a Left Tackle by school and they’re known as pass blockers) and reduce them”. Do you think that’s a coincidence? What my guts are telling me is that Parcells wants the QB standing in the pocket for at least 4 seconds and releasing the ball before those.
by Chandus on Aug 9, 2005 12:24 PM CDT reply actions
Glenn should be expected to miss at least 4 games because he has only played in all 16 games twice. If he was really that important they would have got someone or they think Crayton will step up BP did say he had the best hands. I would go with Ferguson.
by AW on Aug 9, 2005 12:31 PM CDT reply actions
Chandous,
Not too obvious, because a lot of fans misplace Glenn. They throw around the “old” label. It has been more of the “oft injured” label he is more deserving of. But I don’t think that the majority of Cowboy fans will say Terri Glenn is Mr. Irreplacable, and Eatman just makes a very good arguement for his opinion. .. Fergie is a good choice too. I say Julius Jones and Ware with Glenn and Bledsoe not too far behind, but that can change. .. Heck I am happy they are all here and healthy!! Lets go Cowboys!
by EricR on Aug 9, 2005 12:31 PM CDT reply actions
my irreplacebale is drew bledsoe with the way henson and romo are playing, we would be up s#$% creek.
by mike on Aug 9, 2005 12:37 PM CDT reply actions
Chandus
Delhomme is a hell of a lot better then Bledsoe, Delhomme could go somewhere else and start Bledsoe I’m not sure of that. Bledsoe is just not that good he is a good backup. I will be pulling for him this year but I hope he will not end next year as the starter. Just like last year I didn’t want Vinny back there, he was making mistakes left and right why not have one of the young guy doing it.
by AW on Aug 9, 2005 12:41 PM CDT reply actions
mike
Bledsoe is not irreplaceable, Vinny could step in and do what Bledsoe is going to do or real close. Bledsoe is not much of a upgrade from last year.
by AW on Aug 9, 2005 12:45 PM CDT reply actions
we dont have vinny thats the problem, we have 2 unproven guys who are struggling in training camp and when does someone ask a question and you can say where my opinion is wrong?
by mike on Aug 9, 2005 1:18 PM CDT reply actions
Vinny may very well be the “option” that BP speaks of when asked about the QB situation,don’t be surprised if he assumes a backup role after they eventually release Henson…..
by sharkz on Aug 9, 2005 1:31 PM CDT reply actions
If we want Vinny we can have Vinny the only way to prove yourself is to play.
by AW on Aug 9, 2005 1:32 PM CDT reply actions
I agree with sharkz,Henson is way too much of a project,he has a long ways to go…..
by AndyZ on Aug 9, 2005 2:22 PM CDT reply actions
Per Press Conference:
Rogers hurt his shoulder again (same one he had surgery on in the offseason) according to J. Jones already looking for free agent RT’s.
I can’t think of any other than Ross Verba, and I can’t imagine we sign a malcontent like him.
by Rob on Aug 9, 2005 2:28 PM CDT reply actions
I think Bledsoe is a lot like Aikman. Now don’t go rushing to kill me on this. Not so much in terms of talent, but in terms of the same type of player. Bledsoe, like Aikman, relies on arm strength and accuracy. The two are and were vulnerable targets inside the pocket once it gets penatrated too. Make no mistake about it though, Bledsoe should be a big upgrade from Vinny last year, I would say due to quicker decision making. Vinny’s decision proccess was slow last year because of his age, and had to cheat more, hense staring down one receiver from the start of a play, instead of trying to react what he was seeing. His arm was still there, but his mind was slower. Bledsoe is 8 years younger, and with Parcells’ coaching he should be able to cut down on the mental errors, and eliminate more of the bad tendancies, but Drew’s mind should be sharper than the guy he is replacing.
by EricR on Aug 9, 2005 3:08 PM CDT reply actions
anyone got an update on Rodgers Sholder injury?
Keep em fingers crossed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Alds on Aug 9, 2005 3:31 PM CDT reply actions
Yep. According to DABOYS.com, he has already undergone career ending surgery. They unfortuanately sent him to the wrong ER surgeory room and they performed a gender change operation on accident.
I hear that he may try our for the WBNA becuase of his height.
by Y.A. Tottle on Aug 9, 2005 4:29 PM CDT reply actions
Y.A. Tottle
you are crazy. lol
EricR
Bledsoe is not much of a upgrade if any.
by AW on Aug 9, 2005 4:37 PM CDT reply actions
Did you all read the article on NFL.com about Plaxico Buress being out for the sesaon with a fractured vagina?
by Eli Spamming on Aug 9, 2005 4:42 PM CDT reply actions
AW Says:
August 9th, 2005 at 1:41 pm
Chandus
Delhomme is a hell of a lot better then Bledsoe, Delhomme could go somewhere else and start Bledsoe Iâ€â"¢m not sure of that. Bledsoe is just not that good he is a good backup. I will be pulling for him this year but I hope he will not end next year as the starter. Just like last year I didnâ€â"¢t want Vinny back there, he was making mistakes left and right why not have one of the young guy doing it.
AW
then who do you want back there if not bledsoe right now?
who?
I’m beginning to think AW stands for Ass Wipe
I wouldn’t be surprised at all if Bledsoe plays out his contract in Dallas not one bit.
by Danimal on Aug 9, 2005 5:35 PM CDT reply actions
And Bledsoe is very similar to Aikman, big strong armed pocket passer, won’t can’t do a whole lot if you don’t give him time.
if the line can protect bledsoe, he’ll have one of his best seasons yet this year.
no doubt.
he’s got the people around him to do it.
by Danimal on Aug 9, 2005 5:37 PM CDT reply actions
Danimal
ass wipe that’s a good one. How can you call yourself a cowboys fan by comparing Bledsoe and Aikman. Aikman was accurate. Bledsoes been at or over 60% two times. Bledsoe was never a great QB, he had some good years. His highest rating was 87.7 he has been over 80 three times. He is overrated. He had one good year with the Bills and three good years with NE. Good QB don’t get dropped twice without reason. He is a backup if he stays here for the 3 year he should be the backup by year three.(year two would be better) The bills did let him go because of their line they let him go because they don’t think he can take them anywhere. They were winning game on their d and running not because of him. The bills had a way better D then us last year, better WRs and a better running game(looking at all 16 games that is) What can Bledsoe do for us then what he did for the Bills? I will tell you something JJ made that trade last year with the Bills because he knew we would get a high pick with Bledsoe as their QB. lol I rather have one of the young guys out there to see what they have. We are going to be in the same place with QB next year and the year after that. We can’t keep putting backup in to start for a year.
by AW on Aug 9, 2005 6:12 PM CDT reply actions
Derrick:
About your comment yesterday on the age of the team. There was a good article by Mike Fisher on that last week. Dallas has 15 players 30+. He states that you have to look at other teams as well to determine if that is “too old”.
So he did.
Giants: 13 players
Vikings: 14
Packers: 15
Redskins: 21
These 4 teams are supposedly in “rebuilding” years.
Raiders: 20
Patriots: 19
Eagles: 14
Steelers: 23
Cardinals: 13
Bills: 14
Rams: 15
Panthers: 19
Chiefs: 25
In this list there are good teams, bad teams, title teams, rebuilding teams. So while you want your team to be young, I disagree that the team is “too old”.
by Raul Villaronga on Aug 9, 2005 6:54 PM CDT reply actions
Raul
I read that Fisher piece too, I also thought he made an excellent point about the Cowboys age.
This week Fisher says Rogers has benefited greatly by Rivera’s tutelage, citing it as the reason Jacob is vying for the starting job. I hope the kid is able to go all season and lives up to that hype.
by StarStruck on Aug 9, 2005 8:00 PM CDT reply actions
Aikman never had the arm, strength wise of Bledsoe. When he was young, I heard Aikman saying he could loft the ball 75yds or so, but by the time he ended his career he could only toss it about 58yds or so. Bledsoe can probably launch the ball 80+ yds even today.
by Cash on Aug 9, 2005 9:05 PM CDT reply actions
I agree that quarterbacking will not be the problem with this team. Parcells never won with quarterbacking with the Giants. He won by (sometimes) throwing for 5 or 6 yards on first down, then running for 3.5 or 4 more on 2nd and 3rd. His QBs kept the chains moving, and the running attack demoralized people. Dallas started beating the Giants when Haley rushed incompletions on 1st down, Casillas, et al. started stuffing their runners on 2nd, and the Dallas nickel (Gant and Woodson, mostly) took away their options on 3rd down.
What I am also finding interesting is the ongoing assertions that Parcells decided this year to switch to the 3-4, which I am finding increasingly difficult to reconcile with the facts. Parcells never decided to make the switch until just before draft day, when things worked out miraculously? Yet, we have Thornton and Coleman miraculously already aboard, both ready backups, at least? Since neither did much in the 4-3, that leaves me thinking Parcells was stockpiling them even last year. Last year, the defense cratered, and the Cowboys went 6-10 as a result. It cratered with at least these two pieces aboard (I also think we can also add James and Ogbobu, who will probably not even make the team this year) who were being put aside for the switch.
The trade last year into the first round this year was for an impact defensive player this year to make the switch complete. Last year, Parcells got rid of the â€Å"thugs†and â€Å"hoodlums,†and bit the bullet, because he knew Jones was behind him. Jones sold the team as coming off a playoff run, when he knew, as soon as the failed drug test, that it was a rebuilding year for the defense and the switch was coming. He let Parcells stock his team with people who were not available to help last year, and the team folded.
Jones has to sell tickets and enthusiasm. I do not blame him. The question is, is letting the team tank to make a switch ever justified, or should you win the most you can each year? Since we have seen several recent 5-11s with no hint of a light at the end of the tunnel, a 6-10 that sets up a possible series of deep playoff runs does not bother me much. It may bother others.
by cowboy bert on Aug 9, 2005 9:53 PM CDT reply actions
Big Jim,
I don’t have to do a thing you say.
Eric R, Burmafrd, Chandus etal,
Be careful, you people suggesting that someone else get counseling is the pot calling the kettle black.
Parcell’s is a football coach, not a god. From now on I will ignore those who blindly follow and cannot think critically. And you still haven’t run me off!
by James on Aug 9, 2005 10:15 PM CDT reply actions
James,
You and I will hold down the fort for Cowboy’s fans that don’t subscribe to homerism. We will see what is happening on the field and make our judegements from that. Our appreciation will be derived from effort and results. The people you descibed in your above post probably like the cowboys for the uniforms and the tight pants. :)
by Josh A on Aug 9, 2005 10:19 PM CDT reply actions
Josh A,
I see that you have watched your share of “In Living Color” skits. LOL!
Unfortunately, cronie-ism will always flourish when people blindly accept someone’s public image AS PRESENTED BY THAT VERY PERSON. I have always said he’s a great coach, but as BP the man I have always refused to accept him as god incarnate. I know better.
Be careful now, you could be accused as being the same person as me and just posting multiple times under a different name. Is that why they say I need counseling? Perhaps they believe me to be schizophrenic? Which they probably learned about in BP’s Coffee Klatch Psychology 101.
I am glad to see that there is more than 1 person that is here to think critically and remain intellectually honest, unlike some who are here just to be groupies.
by James on Aug 9, 2005 10:48 PM CDT reply actions
Excuse me James, but I haven’t said that you need counseling, as a matter of fact I have been pretty respectful with you, if you don’t like psychology is OK with me, it only means that I, by myself had experienced those methods, I just finished a long and hard engineering degree, and without the constant support and mind games I played with my friends I wouldn’t had made it. So saying that just because I like those types of methods, you’re labeling me a Parcells groupie, then excuse me but you’re the idiot who thinks that knows more than what he really knows I was starting to think you’re.
And Josh:
I’d believe that that’s going to be a pretty lonely fort, maybe AW and some other guy would like to join you…
And everyone:
The ice is getting pretty thin, let’s stop writing the same things time and time again, I guess that what everyone thinks in the subjects we’ve been discusing for this long (Drew Bledsoe: upgrade/downgrade and Parcells methods) is already writed on a wall, the season’s soon to come and if I’m wrong, I’m man enough to accept that, let’s see if the other guys are the same… I’ll keep on writing but not on those subjects, I’d recomend that we all do the same, or this site will something that we won’t enjoy anymore and that wouldn’t be fair to Rafael nor Raul.
by Chandus on Aug 10, 2005 1:08 AM CDT reply actions
A bit off the topic, but if anyone is interested, here’s an update on former Cowboy Marcellus Wiley, who “thinks” he’s happy to get out of Dallas. Wait, with our recent draft, he’d better be glad he got out when he did.
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/jaguars/2005-08-09-wiley_x.htm
by Rob2 on Aug 10, 2005 7:30 AM CDT reply actions
AW Says:
August 9th, 2005 at 7:12 pm
Danimal
ass wipe thatâ€â"¢s a good one. How can you call yourself a cowboys fan by comparing Bledsoe and Aikman. Aikman was accurate. Bledsoes been at or over 60% two times. Bledsoe was never a great QB, he had some good years. His highest rating was 87.7 he has been over 80 three times. He is overrated. He had one good year with the Bills and three good years with NE. Good QB donâ€â"¢t get dropped twice without reason. He is a backup if he stays here for the 3 year he should be the backup by year three.(year two would be better) The bills did let him go because of their line they let him go because they donâ€â"¢t think he can take them anywhere. They were winning game on their d and running not because of him. The bills had a way better D then us last year, better WRs and a better running game(looking at all 16 games that is) What can Bledsoe do for us then what he did for the Bills? I will tell you something JJ made that trade last year with the Bills because he knew we would get a high pick with Bledsoe as their QB. lol I rather have one of the young guys out there to see what they have. We are going to be in the same place with QB next year and the year after that. We canâ€â"¢t keep putting backup in to start for a year.
so you’d rather suck it up this year than have a chance at a super bowl??
Bills will go nowhere this year, so all they decided to do was rebuild.
if we started romo/henson or would’ve drafted any qb this year and started them, I can promise you we would be looking at a worse record than last year, with bledsoe starting we are looking at playoffs instead.
by Danimal on Aug 10, 2005 12:53 PM CDT reply actions
Danimal
Let me ask you something didn’t the bills have great D last year? Yes
Don’t they have a better WR combo? Yes they do
The running game might be a wash. we will see these year.
Tightends? We are better.
Return game. not even close, the Bills have a better one.
The bills won 9 games last year just missed the payoffs with Bledsoe.
What can he do here that he didn’t do there? nothing. Bledsoe is not taking us to the supper bowl. The bills might be a worst team this year but for years to come they will be a better team for it. And the bills are not rebuilding because they dropped Bledsoe. If I believed Bledsoe could take us to a super bowl I would be all for it. I just don’t see him doing something more for a team that has less or equal talent as a whole to his last time. By the end of the year we might have more. And yes I rather suck one year and get to the supper bowl in three with a chance to win a few then to just be a ok team for a couple of years.
by AW on Aug 10, 2005 2:37 PM CDT reply actions
The reason that Bledsoe could be better for the Cowboys than for the Bills is because of Parsells.
The NFC East is also weaker than the AFC East. Bledsoe is a huge upgrade over Quincy Carter and Testeverde. If the Boys’ stay healthy then Bledsoe will have a good year. 3500+ yards.
by Kevin on Aug 10, 2005 6:02 PM CDT reply actions
Did you hear about Parcells heart after practice today?
by jim jacobsen on Aug 10, 2005 6:40 PM CDT reply actions
jacobsen:
Nope. Not a word about his heart.
Know why? Cuz ain’t nuthin’ wrong with it.
“Go sell crazy someplace else! We’re all stocked up here.” – Jack Nicholson
by Raul Villaronga on Aug 10, 2005 9:59 PM CDT reply actions

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