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Hello Everyone,

What a myriad of disscussion we all bring to this site. I would like to thank all of you (and yes, even James, Y A Tottle, and Oiler Troll) for sharing your thoughts and ideas with me. This is what America is about.

So I would like to hear from each of you how you fell in love with America’s team.

I think it’s one thing we can all agree upon! And I’m interested, so I’ll share my first.

When I was 4 years old, I was living in New York. I ran into the living room while my mom was watching TV. I asked my mom, “What’s that?” She said, “That’s the Super Bowl.”

I then pointed to #12. I said “Who is that?” She said, “That’s Roger Staubach.” I couldn’t stop watching. Since SB XIII, when we beat Denver, I’ve only missed 3 games.

That spring, my dad got a job in Texas. I told my parents that it would be good because we would be closer to the Cowboys.

I cried after “the catch” – my mom still busts my balls about it. I now live in NYC and former Cowboys DB Monty Hunter (#34) works for one of my clients. I asked him what happened on the play and he got this disgusted look on his face (just like the one you and I get) and simply replied, “I wasn’t on the field that play!”

My first game at Texas Stadium was Dec of ‘93. Jimmy Johnson’s last reg season home game. We beat Washington, and Kevin Williams returned a punt for a TD, then slid in the snow (left over from the Thanksgiving Leon Lett debacle).

That game was played Dec 26. The day before, I went to Christmas Mass. Roger Staubach took the seat next to me. I was too nervous to say anything.

So let’s brag about what we love.

Tell your story.

Any super nerds out there who will digitally record the cowboys vs. arizona? If so, can you share it via a Bittorrent or some other P2P source? My crappy cable provider doesn’t offer the NFL network. Clearly its time to switch to Direct TV.

Thanks.

bigjim – I had just moved to the US. Was in Redskins country. All the little boys were Redskins fans. I recall watching a game (‘79) with the Cowboys and suddenly routing for the Boys to win — mostly because everyone else wanted them to lose (again, Redskins country). So, after that, it was all Cowboys for me all the time. I’ve never been to a game at Dallas but have seen them live at training camp and at the Oakland Raiders. Will see them again against the Raiders. Hopefully Moss will be out that Sunday. :-)

bigjim-Staubach at church- in the 70s i was a kid and met him and could not believe he was not as big as the shoulder pads made him out to be on tv- i am still amazed by that at todays training camp for some positions- kicker, punter, backup qb, cb,some wr

Carioca:

I have TIVO for which I will be recording the game (Monday 7AM ET on NFL Network) but I don’t know if the USB ports on the back of the receiver actually work.

Does anyone know whether those ports will actually show up as a drive if I plug it into my computer? The manual gives the standard “for future use” disclaimer.

Raul. The USB port on the TIVO series 2 works just fine. I am here at the office, and I just went online and scheduled the TIVO to record the game on Monday. The TIVO software allows for easy transfer of the game to my PC. As long as you have windows media player, you should have no problem watching it. If someone can tell me how to share it, I’d be glad to do it, as long as it’s not illegal to do it. Unfortunately, I’m not too familiar with Bittorent or most p2p sources.

anyone see where Pete hunter was released by the Jets? So much for getting the fifth round choice instead of the sixth. Looks like ol Pete overplayed his hand. somebody will probably pick him up somewhere.

You guys probably already knw this, but the jets have released Pete Hunter. I put this out on another thread, but I’ll put it here just in case anyone doesn’t go back to that one.

J-Man,

You beat me to it.

Growing up in E. Tx, Thanksgiving was at my grandparents and was built around THE GAME…watched Reeves and the others on the touring basketball team in ‘69 in a high-school gym…threw the TV out of a sliding glass patio door in ’72 when the Redskins won the NFC…games in Irving with my bro-in-law buying scalped tickets…was at the Ram game (Staubach’s last)…the Catch (oh my God…)…Hogeboom…the 90’s!!!…it’s in my blood, and as a North Carolina resident now these ass-backward Panther fans get pissed ‘cause “you live in Carolina now, the Panthers are your team”…they don’t get it…whether it’s Landry/Schramm/Murchinson or Bright or Jones/Johnson or Bozo the Clown (sorry Barry), as my Granny always says…THE STAR’S STILL ON THE HELMET. COWBOYS FOREVER!

My cousin was a Couboys freak years ago when the steelers ruled the world. He would never SHUT UP about the Cowboys, so I decided I’d take a look at them. Never looked back. A die hard Cowboys fan was born, even though Pittsburgh won the superbowl. God, that hurt.

rafael,

if i were you i’d want to get caught by BP, damn that would be awesome to talk t him

BigJim,

The Cowboys were one of the few things I could share with my dad when I was growing up—he’s tough to talk to. But darn if we couldn’t share the joys of Staubach and the ‘Boys and all the great plays and excitement! I still take him to every game with me, and it’s still about all I can talk to him about. Hey, he’s different but he’s my dad.

So the Cowboys represent a special relationship for me, I guess.

Was walking by the TV when my Uncles were watching the ‘Big" game Super Bowl XIII. I saw them play and It was love at first sight. I fell for the Defence first – Martin, White, Jones, they moved like Thunder on the field in my eyes. The cheer leaders didn’t hurt either! They seemed better looking than the rest of the league and had more pride in their team. The other cheer leaders seemed to be picking up a paycheque.

I followed them through the Eighties – Some tough years – That Stupid Catch. I swear that QB was trying to throw it out of the end zone, when the TE pushed off Walls and caught that wobbly duck. I wore a Bob Breunig 54 jersey to school almost every second day. I never liked Hogeboom, I was always a Danny White fan. I met up with him year later at a MLM water filtration function and could barely speak. My brother – a stupid stupid Niners fan – asked him a million questions. I just looked.

I went throught he Hershel years hoping for change, and when Tom Landry was shown the door – with not enough class I might add – I knew things were going to be different. Then came the nineties.

Watching Aikman, Irvin, and the greatest running back EVER Emmitt Smith, became a weekly joy for me. I laughed at Cardinal Fans, Mocked Bills fans, wouldn’t even speak to Packer Fans (still don’t), and was pretty much intolerant to any dissenting opinion as to who the best team in the NFL. When questions about the team of the Decade came up I got into fist fights with Bronco fans.

And now we go into a new era with new rules and parameters and I feel as if the Boys are gearing up for another run. Whether or not Bledsoe is the answer is debateable, but this Defense looks ferocious!!! HOW BOUT THEM COWBOYS!!!!

Hey!! This should get some laughs! I wrote this email to a Die Hard Skins Fan last year after the Cowboys broke them a new one AGAIN!

>Subject: Fail to the Redskins
>Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 22:25:06 -0400 (EDT)
>
>Well then,
>
>that was a marvelous exibition of athletic symmetry was it not? It seems
>that for the millionth year, Dallas has come to Virgina and spanked some
>Redskin tail. The last time Washington beat Dallas, Slick Willie was
>putting a stain on a fat girls’ dress.
>
>Washington is so bad that everytime a Cowboys fan travels to Virginia, he
>is allowed to sleep with the wife of a Redskin Fan by Divine Right. After
>all you guys can’t be allowed to breed freely without some proper DNA in
>your line.
>
>Washington is so bad that Joe Gibbs asked Bill Parcells to use some lube.
>
>The Skins are so bad that whenever Jeffy Luria needs to go potty, he has
>to call Jerry Jones and ask if he can stand up to pee.
>
>I can only imagine your relief at being on the opposite side of the globe
>on Monday instead of being at Hooters at Yonge and Eglinton when I stood
>up in the middle of the room, after Dallas completed a beautiful halfback
>option pass for a TD, and asked if any Skins fan had anything else to say.
> Of course none of your chicken hearted compatriots had any comment.
>
>Chris don’t worry, when you come back, I will use lube. I will allow you
>to stand up to pee every third weekend. And I will let you sit near me
>when the Cowboys whip the skins yet again.
>
>your lord and forever kicking redskin ass
>
>Alan HOW BOUT THEM COWBOYS Tdot

Whether you agree or disagree with the Antonio Bryant trade
at least the Cowboys handled the situation better than the
Eagles are handling T.O. what a disaster!!!!…..hard to feel bad
for them though.

That’s hysterical!

Though i would never cheer for someone to get injured(think Irvin), I am certainly loving the T.O. “disaster.” With luck, and the fact they don’t really have any receivers left, their team will not be real focused this year. Better for us. I keep hearing how “well managed” they are and its starting to make me a little ill. Luck has certainly helped them a lot over the past 5-7 years. Luck with the draft, injuries, nfc east competition… While they are better managed than some teams, like the skins, they are not all that. It’ll be good when the worm finally turns out of their favor.

J-Man,

I think it’s starting already, but don’t think for a minute that T.O. won’t be out there playing, or that the Iggles have slipped just because of Todd Pinkston being out. Owens has always been as @sshole, but the guy does show up to play. They also draft well, so they’ll have someone ready to step in and play that other receiver position, but it does help us to be able to key on T.O.

You’ll never know how much it pains me to say anything positive about those guys, but the truth is the truth. They won’t slip too far just because of their current turmoil. We will have to beat up on them to take the NFC East. We’re putting the team together to do it. I’m just not sure we’re there yet. We’ll see. When it happens, I’ll be the one dancing on the moon.

BigJim:

I’m more of a recent fan, first I started to look up to the Bills of Jim Kelly, Thurman Thomas, Andre Reed, Bruce Smith and Daryl Talley, and I was amazed by the way they used to dominate, until I saw them loose twice the Super Bowl. In the other hand my father is a long time Cowboy fan and in those losing years, here in Mexico, their games weren’t broadcasted, but for that next year there were expectations and televised I think that half of the games, and I started to watch them and they just caught my eye as an overall better team than what the Bills had. And from then, a die hard Cowboys fan, that I guess, for life.

I’m another die hard guy, and let me tell you, it has NOT always been easy. I was working in Washington DC when the Cowboys went 1-15. You want to talk about a nightmare? The only think I could say, (and I said it all the time), was at least the one game we won was against the deadskins. That usually shut people up for a minute or two.

My grandpa was a real Dallas Cowboy fan and anyone who didn’t like the cowboys had to stay outside in the hot sun. I learned to like the Cowboys real quick and never looked back. OH by the way, I’m from florida. I am a Cowboy fan for like and so is my wife and two children.

I have tickets for the MNF game on 11 Sep 05, fifty yard line.

Rob2 & Raul : That’s great. This is THE blog.

As the game is freely broadcast in your area (and to anyone with the NFL channel) its legal for you to share it as long as you are not rebroadcasting it in a commercial venture. I don’t think the same is true for “paid” channels and services such as the NFL Sunday Ticket games. So sharing presason content from the NFL channel should be ok while sharing regular season games from the Sunday Ticket might not.

However, I’m no lawyer… I’m just an eager fan who’s made bad broadband decisions.

If either Rob2 or Raul (or anyone else) writes to me, I’ll forward instructions on how to share the content on something like Bittorrent. No worries if you chose not to do it — its a bit of a hassle.

I’m at : renato_da_costa@mac.com

But if you can help, awesome!

Rafael,

Hope you enjoy your trip. .. Just the other day the Jets training camp practice was being telivised on the NFL network (of course I live in the NY area). Still what a difference huh? .. Hey write a column the first day you see Ellis at LB .. these guys are killing me. Even if he just backs into coverage and bumps into a LB .. thats good enough for me.

Rob2,

TO is not playing in SF anymore, i can see philly doing what tampa did to keyshawn. it would be a good thing overall, i am getting tired of the way some of the players act. But i agree, the cracks are showing, we may not get there this year, but make no mistake, we are headed toward being a title team.

Also, i can sympathize with you on working in DC. I work in DC. I feel like a pilgrim in an unholy land. These people have no clue. They think Gibbs is god and they are the best team out there. To them its a conspiracy to keep them down.

Carioca:

My e-mail address is SA189@bellsouth.net. If you want to e-mail me the instructions, I’d be glad to try and send it to you. Of course you know it’s going to be a huge file, but I have no problem with trying to send it.

I don’t have a problem with players wanting or asking for more money as long as the owners can cut a player they don’t want to pay anymore.

J-Man,

I could also see Philly doing to T.O. what Tampa did to Keyshawn. They’ve done pretty well for themselves without him, but I wonder if they would actually pull the trigger on a move like that since they made it to the superbowl his first year there. Right now, as much of a PITA (Pain in the) as T.O. is, I don’t think it’s the smartest thing to do with us breathing down their necks. Andy Reid is watching what we’re doing right now, and I’m guesing he can’t be too happy about it. If I were him, I’d make T.O. shut up and play. (If that can be done) I certainly wouldn’t give in to his demands. He’s under contract, like it or not. He doesn’t have a lot of options, not if he wants to get paid.

If they had not made it to the big game last year with him having a great season, I think they’d be a lot more willing to part with him. It’s going to be tough to explain a move like that to Philly fans. I personally would like nothing more.

AW,

I don’t have a problem with it necessarily, but I wouldn’t pay a guy who basically begged his team to work out a deal to get him. Owens promised the iggles that he wouldn’t become a problem if they took him in. They did, and now he wants to break his deal. Does he deserve more money? Probably. He is one of the (gulp) top 3 receviers in the league, but he just signed a deal a year ago. He hasn’t done enough for them to demand a new deal. Hell, let him get two or three years with the team before he starts demanding more money. He COULD turn out to be a one year wonder for them.

Okay before anyone jumps on me for saying that, I don’t think that will happen, but the iggles have no guarantee that he won’t, but they still have to pay him. No new contract! Not yet. Prove you’re worth it first. You can’t do that after one year. That’s what I have a problem with.

By the way, when did $48 mil become chump change?

J-Man and Rob2

Check out my earlier entry that has an email to my good friend and ardent Redskins fan. It put the Skins in their place. Maybe that will help those DC Hawgs learn their place.

BigJim -
my parents were original Cowboys season ticket holders at the Cotton Bowl. Earliest Cowboy memory is actually of a game blacked-out, miserable play-off loss to Cleveland at home in the rain in 68 or 69. Just remember everyone depressed about this “game” thing. But the Staubachs lived in our neighborhood when we were very small, before he was making big money, and Lance Alworth’s kids went to elementary school with me (he had a very hot wife who made all the other PTA mom’s talk behind her back - first time I ever heard the word “bombshell” to describe a woman). And I was at Texas Stadium at least once a year since they built it. At the Clint Longley “triumph of the uncluttered mind” Thanksgiving Day miracle, we talked our dad into staying when he wanted to leave and beat traffic. Me and my brother and sister said “No, they still have a chance!” not knowing how bad the odds were. And then when they won … life lessons there about never giving up and always believing. Thanks for posing the question and giving us a chance to reminisce, BigJim.
gg

I became a devoted Cowboys fan as a little kid after the Boys beat the Broncos in the Super Bowl. I grew up in Denver and despised all the homers that blindly followed the Broncos even though they were chokers. I liked Roger Staubach and had a lot of respect for his achievements and the way he played. I like the way Tom Landry conducted himself, the way he was always so stoic and you could never tell what he was thinking. I liked the way the Doomsday Defense intimidated other teams and I really liked Too Tall, White, and Martin. Robert Newhouse was a badass, Tony Hill always seemed to make big plays when we needed him to, and Billy Joe Dupree was another guy I liked to watch play. My two favorite players were Drew Pearson and Tony Dorsett. I am still mad that Drew Pearson isn’t in the HOF. If there wasn’t such a bias against Cowboys players, I would love to see him go in next year with Troy and (hopefully) Irvin.

I stuck through it with the Boys in the Danny White era. I still think he sometimes gets too much blame for things not going well while he was QB. He led us to one of the most amazing comebacks in Cowboys playoff history in the early 80’s against the Falcons. Tom Landry even cracked a huge smile and showed a bit of emotion after we scored that last TD. I’ll never forget that game!! It wasn’t his fault that the rest of the team was starting to drop off without good replacements, it wasn’t his fault that Dwight Clark stretched out for a lucky as hell catch in the final seconds and stole one of our Super Bowl rings in the process. It really wasn’t even Tom Landry’s fault. It was just time and the rest of the NFL catching up with us finally.

The 90’s were the best. I knew we would get back, just like I do now. My personal high point for the 90’s was getting to see the Cowboys for the first time in person on Christmas Day evening on Monday Night Football play the Arizona Cardinals (I think parts of that game are in the movie ‘Jerry Maguire’) on their way to the Super Bowl victory in that very same stadium about a month later. It was so hilarious to see the Cowboys lineman walk out and completely tower over the smaller and less talented Cardinals. That was a great night. The Super Bowl was even better!! I feel confident we will have many more in the future…I can feel it. GO COWBOYS!!

Thanks for the topic BigJim!! Great idea!!

Amen on Drew Pearson. Also Cliff Harris should be in the HOF. Rayfield Wright. Chuck Howley. …

AlanTdot

I saw it, and I laughed my @ss off. It was great.

Rob2,

glad you enjoyed it!!

At the time, I lived was surrounded by Packer fans, and did not know much about football. I rooted for the Packers in the Ice Bowl, and again the following year, although my dad switched sides between years because he liked how the Cowboys were coached. We then moved to Texas, where Cowboys football was the dominant religion. I switched allegiances easily.

I remember:
How Tom Landry â€Å"canâ€â"¢t win the big one.”

Tex Maule annually picking the Cowboys to finally win it all this year.

Beating Detroit in the playoffs, 5-3. Defense wins championships.

Chuck Howley playing the best individual game I ever saw.

Dave Manders handing the ref the ball after Duane Thomasâ€â"¢s goal line fumble, only to have the ref say Mike Curtis had recovered it.

Mel Renfroâ€â"¢s vertical leap, as he tried to block the winning field goal in SB V.

Bob Lilly making Bob Griese look silly.

Morton throwing passes to the wrong shorts, and blowouts getting tight in the fourth quarter for an entire year.

Staubach throwing wildly for three quarters, all looking lost, then starting to hit perfect passes to win games, time and again.

Hail Mary.

Jackie Smith.

Lynn Swann over Mark Washington, and over Charlie Waters.

Clint Longley.

The 99-yard run.

Danny White calling an audible on fourth and one, while Landry screamed, â€Å"No! No!”

1-15. It was ugly, but you could see the pieces coming together, if Johnson could find a way to get rid of Dave Shula.

The Bungles hiring Dave Shula away.

Saying the Cowboys needed to draft someone like David Fulcher had been, and watching them draft Woodson with a pick they got for trading down the pick they were going to take Kevin Smith with anyway, while Kevin cried they did not love him enough or they would have drafted him higher.

Leon Lett on Thanksgiving.

Emmitt fumbling in easy field goal range against the Oilers to lose a game, and later beating the Giants by himself with his arm hanging off.

Saying before the Iggles game that someone would probably be taken off on a stretcher, then watching the hit by Ike Holt that sprung the winning punt return.

Jimmy Johnson cutting Curvin Richards.

Jimmyâ€â"¢s guarantee.

Barryâ€â"¢s tantrum that cost a possible 4 in a row.

Finally, getting fired up over seeing the possibility the defense may finally be returning to Dallas. Not statistical defense, but scare the hell out of people, hide the women and children defense. Offense sells seats, but defense still wins championships, just like it did before the Super Bowl was invented.

Rob2
TO is what 31 and he knows he only has a year maybe two to get a big pay day but what people dont understand is a owner can cut a player at anytime and not have to pay him. Owners cut players after one year of work all the time. Why should a player have to live up to his contract when owners dont???

is the preseason on season ticket? if so id be real happy, im kinda down cause i figured i coudnt watch the game.

AW,

I understand your point about contracts, but Owens has taken this to an extreme. This isn’t a player who is 4 (or even 3) years into a 5-year contract. Owens agreed to this contract just one year ago. Nor has he outplayed his contract, which is the usual reason for players looking for new deals. Owens was (and is being) paid handsomely. He has lived up to his current contract, but he has certainly not ‘outplayed’ it.

Yes, players can be cut at almost any time, and most salaries are not guaranteed. But, that is why the top players get a bunch of upfront money in the form of a signing bonus. Owens got his big bonus last year, now he wants another one. It’s not going to happen.

True, AW. Owners can cut players at any time. That’s the nature of the business. That’s why the plyers are so highly paid.

Now I know you are NOT about to tell me you think that the iggles would consider cutting that fool. Owens is in complete control over whether he gets cut or not. If he does what he agreed to do, there’s not an ice cube’s chance in hell of them letting him go. At 31, or however old this idiot is, he is still one of the top players in the league. If he gets his ego in check, he will be a top player for the next few years.

You asked “Why should a player have to live up to his contract when owners dont???” GOOD QUESTION! Let me answer it for you in the context of this specific contract. The iggles are the ones who are trying to live up the agreement they made with Owens. HE is the one trying to break a brand new deal that paid him more money, before he ever pput on a helmet, than most (if not all) of us on this blog will ever make in our lives.

You mentioned players who get cut after one year of playing. Interesting. But you’re talking about players who are not stars of the game, and as such, are just happy to be on the team.

Since you brought it up, let’s have some fun: Name for me ONE of those players, who demands a new contract after his first year. Take your time. This will be worth the wait.

Let me ask this question again, when did $48 mil become chump change?

By the way, good comments Mr. Bill.

One other comment on the Owens situation.

Owens’ agent, Drew Rosenhaus, claims that this dispute is all about Owens’ contract, which is obviously correct. Rosenhaus further claims that the existing contract is ‘unfair’. Rosenhaus was not Owens’ agent when that contract was signed. To me, that means the only ‘unfair’ aspect of the contract is that Rosenhaus doesn’t get paid a nickel out of it, for the entire length of the 7-year contract. Owens’ agent of record at the time of the signing (Robert Joseph) gets all of the commissions. It looks to me like Rosenhaus has sold Owens on the idea of redoing the contract, so that Rosenhaus CAN get his piece of the action. And, Owens is just stupid enough and egotistical enough to fall for this nonsense.

Interesting. I hadn’t even considered that.

I’ve been a Cowboys fan since childhood. The memories… Mom and Dad, brothers and sisters, the relatives… Aunts, Uncles, Cousins, Grandma and Grandpa.. All of us at Thanksgiving…. Priceless!

All of the Uncles and Me watching the game. Everyone cheering the team on…. Priceless!

Superbowl XII, Staubach, TD, Too Tall, Manster, Harvey, Golden Richards, Drew Pearson, COACH LANDRY…

America’s TEAM!!!

I share everyone’s feelings and thoughts.

DA FAN

Please visit my website: http://home.stx.rr.com/dafan

Rob2 and Mr. Bill
I’m not a TO fan but I see he is at the very least the third best WR in the game. The reason he wants a new deal is he is not even paid in the top 5 maybe 10 for WR. So in that aspect he did out perform his contract. Its not like he is a one year wonder. Most NFL contract are really year to year so its not likely he is going to see 48 or 49 million. He wants a new deal so he will see more of the money in the contract. There is only one WR I would take over TO if we are talking about just for a year. And yes Philly is living up to their part because they are getting the second best WR at a small price. It doesn’t matter what players are getting cut the point is the owner can and do cut player when they don’t want to pay them. It doesn’t matter if he is one or three years in his deal, his past speaks for itself. I don’t have a problem with players holding out because at the end of the day its a business. At this point I just think he wants to be out and play for someone else and I would be happy to see him go somewhere else.

cheesy dan

Resigned by who?

AW,

I’d like to see him play somewhere else too. Preferably out of the division. You know, you’re right about T.O. likely not seeing the full 48 – 49 million, but the man got 9 mil up front. That’s guaranteed money he doesn’t have to pay back, unless he pulls a Ricky Williams or something equally as stupid. And you are also right about him being one of the top 3 receivers in the league. I also agree that he’s worth more than he’s being paid, when compared to other receivers in the league.

My problem with him is that HE signed the deal, and is now acting like a fool after ONE YEAR. HE refused to go to a team who proabably would have given him anything he wanted, and HE begged Philly to take him out of that situation. I’m sorry, my friend, but that’s just not going to work. He wasn’t screaming about the money when he got that signing bonus. I remember him being pretty darn happy when he signed that deal.

AW,

IF T.O. sustains the level of performance this year as he did last year, I wouldn’t be so hard on him. Another year after that, and I’d probably support what he’s doing, but not now. It’s just too soon.

t.o. was due (was because he’ll never see it) another $7+ mil roster bonus after this year. Add the $9 mil and years 1-3 base salaries and you get an average of around $8 – $9 mil per year for years 1-3.

Not chump change, well above the Franchise value (Avg of top 5), so all the b.s. statistical crap spewing forth from the agent of hell is nothing more than a ruse. Mr. Bill put it pretty well.

A reasonable thing would have been to ask Philly to renegotiate a meaningful long-term deal after this season, when the bonus was due anyway, and get the money that he “deserved”.

But since when has reasonable been used to describe anything t.o. has done.

Like I said before why get on TO about one year later went owners do it all the time. 9 out of 48-49 guaranteed is not a lot. Look at the Brown first round pick he signed 40 million and 20 is guaranteed. The deal TO signed was not a good deal for a top 5 WR. But he signed it. You can’t sit here and say TO is wrong for wanting more money when Owners cut players every year and nothing is said. Teams don’t like paying 30+ year old players big money so the older he gets the harder it is going to be to get the money. I’m not mad at Philly for doing what they are doing either. But TO is not wrong for wanting more money, look at the stats he should have gotten 60 mil. I don’t know how his contract is set up but it looks like as a base he is getting around 5.5 mil a year. I don’t know if that 9 mil is over a couple of years or not. He is not in the top 5 and that is one of their points to get more money.

Okay, two things:

First, make no mistake, $9 million IS a lot. I’m not saying T.O. is wrong for WANTING more money. Hell, so do I. My guess is, that if you ask anybody on this blog, if they want more money, they’d tell you yes. What I am saying is that he most certainly IS wrong for demanding it, and acting like a nut because he’s not getting it. Did you see firefighter’s post? If those numbers are right, then I just don’t get how he can be so upset. Remember, HE is the one who wanted to go to Philadelphia. He is also the one who told Andy Reid that he wouldn’t become a distraction. This is the guy you want to reward just because he wants more money? Not happening!

Second: You mention Braylon Edwards. He just got his contract. If he starts crying about more money next year, we’ll have the same discussion about him. We’ll just have to disagree on this one. There’s no way to convince me that Philly is wrong for saying no, and there’s no way to convince me tha T.O. is not wrong for acting like he is.

When I bought up Braylon to show how bad TO deal is because Braylon is getting 20 guaranteed. Guaranteed money is the new signing bonus. I’m not saying Philly is wrong but TO is not wrong demanding more money but he is wrong for acting like a fool yesterday on TV. You can’t just ask for more money and get it sometimes you need actions to follow. Look at Ward he is a no show, TO did show.

AW,

It all depends on how you measure Owens’ contract. If you look at it over two years, you have a point. But, if you look at it over three years (as Fighter15 did), Owens is within the top 4 receivers.

That’s what this is all about. Owens’ per-year average takes a temporary dip in his second year. Do you really think that is enough excuse to raise all this fuss and cause all this ill will?

Now, Owens will NEVER see that $7 million roster bonus. The Eagles will surely cut him before that is due, if they can’t eliminate it through contractual means. Nor is he likely to make it up with another team. Not at his age, and not after all this. It doesn’t sound like a wise strategy to me.

Rafael,
Parcells being a butthole and and challenging people taking notes? I’ll be dagburned! It would seem that I’m not THAT far off the mark about some of the guy’s behavior patterns. But to the fluffers on this blog it won’t register. You GO with that disguise!