Cowboys /Chargers Crumbs

Anybody with thoughts on Burnett being out for 2-3 weeks. I think that may hurt us in development terms but Ogbogu brings some experience that Iâ€â"¢m glad to have on the field. Another negative is that we get hit for Ogboguâ€â"¢s full salary for the year.

Best case scenario: Ogbogu gets a 2nd chance at LB and shows us something. This would allow Burnett to move inside quicker.

As the numbers crunch, I hope that Thornton clears waivers and finds his way to the practice squad…probably bumping the undrafted rookie tight end. He could prove to be a ‘valuable’ future piece in the secondary…

Next, having Ogbogu is a positive, in that he does give the team more flexability on the 4-3 side of the defensive schemes…

My biggest concern here, is that Burnett will not be hampered beyond a very brief period of time, concerning the injury itself. If he is already riding the bicycle, then I assume that he has already been thoroughly checked and that just a ‘minor’ procedure required along with a very minimal recovery period will be required for this. I know mentally, this is devastating to the first year player, but it will teach him a lasting lesson on the importance of maintaining disciplined actions, even under full speed of play, to include his personal protection and strengths. He has to learn ALL of the whys before he becomes truely efficient in his play…

I think that the status of the cap is strong enough already, to handle the effects of the presence of Ogbogu on the roster. I am thinking that the veteran aspect of Ogbogu’s play is probably needed on the Cowboys at the current experience level of much of the defensive squad…

kick offfffffffffffff………….f*c*ing finally!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! its been a looooong time!!!
Sorry, just had to do it.

hope the pat’s get their butt’s kicked. tired of them already….

CCBoy.

Even the most intelligent and disciplined players sometimes get injured. For all we know Burnett may have been doing everything he was supposed to do when he injured his knee, so no lesson necessarily need be learned with respect to “maintaining disciplined actions”.

tired of them too, but Dillon is my fantasy RB and I have their D….so I guess…..go Pats tonight

I won’t be watching tonight’s game.

you know for all the hype about LT and how are the Cowboys or anybody going to stop him. Well that knife cuts both ways my friend……….Julius Jones has to be stopped too! Good luck San Diego……..my guess is defense and turnovers win that game.

Cowboys 28 San Diego 24……….no need to kick field goals we aint sure how good cortez is anyway so BP just keeps JJ, Witten, KJ and Glenn on the field and we score 4 TDs. JJ has 200 all purpose yards with 160 from rushing……..and two TDs.

Darn my crystal ball is getting fuzzy……..oh well. Thats how I see it. Ware records his first sack in the NFL in the First Quarter. Shawn Merriman gets punched by Bill Parcells after the game when he calls him a name he heard from Jeremy Shockey………Laroi Glover finishes off Merriman with a Pile Driver……..oh this is the NFL not the WWF…….sorry got confused. LOL!

rooting for DA RAIDERS………just to beat ole Bill.

I am no Raiders fan, but I hope they kick the Patriots’ butt tonight. So far, it looks pretty good.

Jon,
Merriman has no business using that epithet considering the woosy boy manner in which he has behaved since draft day!

we should’ve drafted Moss….

I predict a L in the Opener… Jon, you said it yourself, San Diego needs to stop JuiceJ, but they do have the best (as of right now) NT in a 3-4, Jamal Williams (if you don’t know him, you will, he’s the big and nasty guy in the middle of the 3-4), and they also have a very good pair of MLB’s and a great OLB and they can stop JuiceJ and A-Train, TT might be the dark horse, he will be dangerous running outside… This game’s going to fall on Bledsoe shoulders, I just believe that their D is better (as of right now) than ours.

CCBoy,

You from Corpus?

Hey, anyone else watching a couple of open field horse collar tackles that weren’t called? What is the deal? Are they going to call it or not? Is it only going to be called on Roy Williams?

if the raiders could just get a freak’n pass off to moss they’d be on top- the pat’s corners are LOST or just playing off the WR’s- their “defense” is really just an attack on the QB. Hope WE do that some day.

moss has been open- they just can’t get the ball to him.

Yeah, Moss should’a been a Cowboy- for all history, some other teams will have had OUR WR….

Chandus,
I agree that while we will not be embarrassed, we will lose this Sunday. This team will take a few weeks to gel.

Bluecheese,
I am not surprised by anything you said. I hear ya all the way. That “horse collar” BS was a direct punishment of Roy for breaking TO’s ankle. (poor baby, that TO)

Wow……the Patriots just ran a FIVE reciever set……

Raiders OLine sux. What a waste of money on Gallery.

Wow, we could have had Randy Moss! Come to think of it, we could still have Jimmy Smith, we could’ve had Jake Delhomme, and we could still have Antonio Bryant, Dexter Coakley……

Seriously, Randy Moss, Jimmy Smith and Antonio Bryant would be a nice set of WRs.

I think we’ll win this Sunday and get the league’s attention. Sure, this defense will make some mistakes, but they’ll make a lot more great plays! Bledsoe will have a great game. Dallas – 28, San Diego – 21.

I hope the Patriots stumble this year. I don’t want their dynasty of this era to out shine ours in the 90’s.

Dallas -23
San Diego -28

But no reason to pout, were gonna come around, winning is our business.

Forget that…

Dallas -27
San Diego -20

Get em Dallas!!

Dallas 17
SD 21

I met Dale Hanson at a bar in north Dallas one night in ’94. I thought he was kind of an idiot.

Dale Hanson has predicted the Cowboys go 6-10 this year – now I know he’s a total f***ing idiot.

We went 6-10 last year with an injury ravaged team, no running game (1st half), and a tougher schedule.

I think we’re a little better than last year.

That guy shouldn’t be allowed to cover the Cowboys anymore.

Cowboys 34, San Diego 20

I give my props to the best throwback uniforms though.

Cowboys 28 Chargers 10

what you guys dont realize is that when we couldve gotten randy and jimmy smith (we actually had jimmy, he was just injured too often) we also had mike irvin at the time! just imgaine jimmy smith mike irvin and randy moss, complimented by bryant.. now that is possibly the best corps in the histroy of the league.. but the book wasent written that way.

Big Jim,
These days it is no surprise that mediots are just that. They are now hired more for their politics than their ability to write and be a journalist. Mediot stupidity was best shown by the SNL skit from the 1st Gulf War days. “General Schwartzkopf, I am Achmed Rahim from the Baghdad Bulletin. May I go to your airfields and count your airplanes?” I LMAO every time I listen to a BP press conference because of the many idiotic questions asked and when I hear the shock in the mediots voice’s when they don’t get an answer.

San diego will not score more than 17 points in this game…they simply will not do it. SD may have been 12-4 (which is what most of the hype about htem has been around, that and LT)…but they had one of the easiest schedules last year too. Are D will make a few mistakes, which is where a touchdown or two may come from. But other than that, we will contain. To win the game, we need to score three touchdowns. I see two offensive and one defensive touchdown. Our punter will keep them starting from inside thier 20 yard line every time, and inside the 10 2 or 3 times and oncw insidw the 5. Many people forget, our punter is a powerful weapon that gets grossly underated when he is on his game.

My guess on the game is Dallas 28- SD 17….here’s my reasoning…..SD had an easy schedual last year(as soon as they entered the playoffs they were dismissed very quickly) also,their secondary is one of the worst in the league(good LB’ing corp and fair def. line)if we can use Price as a decoy(since he’s still digesting playbook) and have him stretch the field by running deep patterns(and taking a corner and a safety respectively outta the play,and hey if he gets open throw him the ball)but that will allow more room for Glenn,Witten,Crayton,KJ to roam and cause them toplay off the line so JJ can isolated one on one with a LB(I like that matchup) then we have the potential for some yards…BP and company have painstakingly diguised our off. gameplans throughout preseason and we will see some definate movement on offense…remember our pass rushing depth..how would you like to be an off. lineman for SD knowing you’re gonna see a constant blast of Ellis…Spears……Canty….Ware…Glover…..Ferguson….and a blitzing Roy Williams? I like our chances!! GO COWBOYS!!!!

And just a thought…..but wouldn’t TT be great on a reverse????

LT will run wild on us…but they’re not going to score many points. A lot of field goals, not many TDs. Without Gates in the red zone, our LBs, and Roy can tighten the field. Our DL will NOT be moved down there. In space, SD may be able to do some things, but not when it counts.

Their defense ranked 31st in passing, 18th overall. No way they keep us out.

Cowboys 31, Chargers 16

Ive never seen receivers more wide open than the Patriots receivers were last night. I think if you switched the QB’s on each team you would get the same result… Damn Belichick is a freaking genius.

San Diego 14, Cowboys 13

What has Antonio Bryant ever did that everyone thinks hes so great? The guy’s had a good preseason? Bryants career: Averages 35 catches, 503 yards, 3 TDS. Quincy Morgans career: 31 catches, 463 yards, 3 TD’s. and EVERYONE here rips Morgan and says the guy flat out sucks.

Cowboys win 23-21 on a last second field goal from only 34 yards out. We give up a TD to make it 21-20, but drive down the field with catches by Witten, Glenn, and Price.

Has Belichek had similiar suscess where ever he’s been? Parcells has.

Far as I’m concerned, the pat ‘s are still Parcells’ team. He made them what they are today. Belichek’s only genius move was stabbing Parcells in the back and running back to new england to continue what parcells started. They were a JOKE until Parcells showed up, and now they’re on top. No justice.

There’s only one genius in the NFL right now- and he’s coaching for Dallas.

I think the Cowboys will pull through and get the win this week. Especially with everyone underestimating them. I am in a pick’em pool and just cannot bring myself to go against them.

Lou
Morgen got cut, Bryant is the Brown #1 WR right now.

Guys:
I think that you’re underestimating San Diego’s D just becuase they were ranked 31st in passing D, why was that? Simple, they faced once the best passing attack (Indianapolis), they faced twice teams like Kansas City, Denver and Oakland (were ranked 4th, 6th and 8th in passing O, same order) and they also faced Tennesse, New Orleans and Carolina (who were ranked 10th, 11th and 13th), I do believe that facing those Offenses has something to do with they having their D ranked that low, but it’s only my opinion… And still they were 3rd in stoping the run… I’m rooting for the ‘Boys, I’m just being realistic…

When is the last time we won the first game???

AW:
And there was a time were Preseason didn’t mattered for much… Really, when Braylon Edwards gets the Offense and starts playing to his potential, who is the guy that’s gonna be sitted? Northcutt, he was signed to a contract extension last year, but knowing that a Parcells guy is there, that won’t matter, the best player will play, and that’s when Northcutt play comes to view, he’s the team’s deep threat and will he one playing with Edwards on 2 receiver sets because Northcutt brings something to the table that Bryant doesn’t (he’s faster and a noted route runner). So, in the end, Bryant will be relegated to 3rd WR and will bitch around, you will see…

When we face the dreadskins… like 4 years ago (or 5)…

Bryant is a number one on a horrible team. Whoever the #1 guy on the 49ers is, is he that good? No. Bryant hasnt shown anything in the regular season so we can’t say this guy is good. How many recievers have come through Dallas listed #1 on the depth chart and didn’t do much of anything in the season? The Browns have no other reciever to put #1, and Bryant wouldn’t be a number one anywhere else except maybe SF. Just wait until the season starts and he gets some double teams and quits on balls thrown by Dilfer before you guys say hes a good player.

Chandus & Lou
Bryant is the #1 guy right now so until he is not that is what he is. I didn’t say he is a good player but he has the tools to be. He wasn’t in a good situation when he was here. You don’t put up good number your rookie year then get demoted. He is really not in a great situation now (qb play) but at least he will have ever opportunity to play. We will see what happen this year.

omg drop it, AB is an old story and even more important its done with

Cleveland will at least give Bryant the fair chance to be their #1 that Parcells didn’t. (Please guys, don’t start up with that “head-case” crap again.) When Parcells brought in Keyshawn, Antonio’s seat became the back of the bus.

Now that he’s gone, why are some of ya’ll so afraid of Bryant’s possible success? Why root against him? Are ya’ll that scared that we made a mistake? Sure sounds like it.

We’ll deal with what we have at WR, and we’ll be fine. But Bryant was that young, talented, dark horse wideout with a HUGE upside on whom Parcells’ coaching style didn’t work. So he’s gone.

And I for one hope the kid’s successful in Cleveland. I already KNOW we made a mistake trading him- and for NOTHING I might add!

But again, we’ll be fine either way.

By the way, “RICH” and “MADDRICH” is the same guy- me. I didn’t notice my username was different at my work computer- I usually post from home. So from now on, it’s just “RICH”.

Just clearing that up.

Having Burnett out does not hurt the team overall as much as it hurts Burnett. He is going to be good, but having signed Fujita is going to cover his responsibilities. What I want to know is why the Chiefs would give up their leading tackler for the past 2 seasons for a 6th round pick & a conditional one the following season??? I know they signed other players in the off-season & in the draft, but still seems like the boys got the better of the deal. To me, it is like giving Dat to someone for a 6th round pick, our leading tackler for the past couple of years. Basically we would not do it.

Trading Bryant was stupid.

Bryant was not worth the trouble. Let him do it for a year. Look at the receivers that Cowboys roll our now, without the headache of Bryant.

21-14 Boys.

Hey guys,

I think AB would’ve worked out great in dallas had he just worked hard and shut up, can’t blame him for wanting to be more than a number 3 and can’t blame bill for not wanting a discontent on his team. Did we get much vaule out of trading him obviously not, but would keeping him here have gotten us anything other than a headache. I think were better off today for that move and likewise for him, he’s gotten what he wanted a chance to be a number one, but its on a really poor team, so he’ll have to learn the hard way that taking one for the team is more important than me me me me….

have a good year antonio!

you’ll be watching Big D on the tube when they are in the playoffs and your at home wishing you had swallowed your pride for a season or two.

later

oh, sorry

by the way, I really hope merriman plays, that way Dan campbell can give him a pancake and leave him on his ass while J.J. runs right by him for a TD…

Go boys,

Did anyone see Moss take down the N.E. corner on the 2 point
conversion? Why didn’t he flop and try to draw pass interference
Bizarre to say the least…..Oakland looked flat…..Randal W.
had a nice blocked punt Joe A still has it.

I’m not rooting against Bryant, I’m just saying that I don’t see that great receiver you guys see, when I saw him playing here, because he played, I saw a guy that at times could make a big play and then you wouldn’t see him, maybe because he wasn’t running his routes or maybe because he wasn’t getting enough separation and that’s enough for me to say that I don’t see him finishing as the number 1 receiver in orange uniform in the end of the year, I said this once, and might be right, maybe all this talk about Bryant from Clev front office has more to do with an extra push to Braylon to gt him on the field than what they’ve seen from Bryant.

Moss is great if he wasn’t there I don’t know if Oak would have scored. They are going have to find a better way to use him but he is going to have a big year. When the other receiver get healthy watch out, their d was bad in the first half but played well in the second.

Chandus
Its hard to light it up when you are the 3rd WR and did anyone else light it up while he was here? I don’t think anybody has said he is a great WR but he has the tools. He makes big plays. But he is gone now. How many times will Bledsoe get sacked on Sunday???

I never saw even flashes of greatness from Bryant and after the way he was hyped i was looking pretty close. I think hes a total spare that somehow developed a Superstar attitude and will never develop into anything.

I was just looking at the roster and I saw something that is absolutly great. We have 4 rookies who could all play all 3 positions on the D-line, that being canty, Spears, “Pepper”, Ratliff. also Coleman might be able to slide to NT, and glover also fits in the mix. That mean any combination of those 3 on the feild at the same time we would be fine. That is why I don’t see a huge necessity to keep Ellis and that if Ferguson were to be injured this D would in fact not be screwed.

Moss would not have lasted in Dallas with all the coaching and quarter back changes however we sure as heck could of traded him for allot and prevented the joey galloway 2 1’s give away which we are still recovering from. hopefully with this drafts possible 4 1st rounders, 6th and 7th picks, and FA’s making the team we have caught back up. What great positions for new players to emerge NT, WR, RB and maybe RT.

With Thornton being waived this late, his chances of clearing waivers have increased. Teams will be reluctant to add a player this close to game time. Also, I believe everyone who is on a roster at the end of Thursday, gets paid for that week. A team would have to cut a player to make room for Thornton, but still pay the player they cut.

At any rate, the Cowboys should already know whether Thornton has cleared waivers or not. I don’t see anything at all on ESPN’s transaction wire.

As for Ogbobu, one way to avoid having to pay him for the year is to trade him. Once Burnett is cleared to play, we could contact the team that was looking at Ogbogu earlier. If they went for a deal, then they would be the ones guaranteeing his salary for the remainder of the season. That team probably was waiting until next week to avoid that guarantee. But, if they really need him, that shouldn’t be a deterrent.

Then again, if the guaranteed salary was the ONLY reason we cut Ogbogu, we might not want to trade him away now that we have made that commitment.

rich,

Bryant had just as much of a ‘fair chance’ to be the Cowboys #1 receiver as anyone else. All he had to do was outplay Keyshawn Johnson. Did he do that? Did he even come close to doing that? That’s a big no to both questions.

Yes, the moment Johnson donned a Cowboys uniform, he was anointed our #1 receiver. So what! What Bryant needed to do was to prove that decision wrong. He was unable, and perhaps even unwilling, to do so.

Someone please explain why Bryant deserved (by his play, or practice work) to be anything higher than #3 on last year’s depth chart.

What Bryant DID do was sulk. When he DID get a chance to play, he STUNK! Had Bryant shown a willingness to fight for that job, and the ability to at least contest for it, he would have earned a lot more playing time than he got. But, he got what his play and attitude deserved — a ticket out of town.

chris,

As I pointed out in an earlier post, trades are difficult to make in the NFL. No team wants to give up very much in draft choices for anyone, unless the player is a quarterback. Most teams just wait you out, and don’t offer anything at all, expecting that you will cut the player, and then they can get him for free.

In this particular case, Fujita went to the Chiefs and requested a trade. He specifically asked to be traded to a team that plays the 3-4 defense, which he felt better suited his skills. So the Chiefs were immediately limited in the number of teams they could contact. Then they had to look at those teams who play the 3-4, and find out which ones were not already set at outside linebacker. Given that it was so late in preseason, and most teams would rather go with their own players, it is probably fortunate (for the Chiefs) that the Cowboys were out there with that exact need.

So, the Chiefs got what they could in a highly restricted market, under conditions where nobody wants to deal away draft picks. I don’t see it surprising at all that they got so little.

Matt,

By not seeing the necessity to keep Ellis, I hope you are talking about next year. This year, we will be playing a lot of 4-man fronts, especially when we go to the nickel. Since Ellis is still one of our best pass rushers, I think there is still a pretty big need for him to remain on this roster.

Next year might be another matter, but we will still need pass rushers, and our nickel defense will probably still contain 4 down linemen. So, unless someone develops to replace him, Ellis will probably still be around next year, too. Maybe Spears or Canty will be that ‘someone’, or maybe we will bring in a pass rusher through free agency or the draft, but none of those things have happened as of this moment.

We need (and will continue to need) more than Ware.

exactly good players will make ware better

dallas 20-10, and 12-4 for the season, if we lose to the chargers then 6-10 might happen we need to kick butt out of the gate.

In one of the DC.com articles, Erin Bolen reports that Thornton cleared waivers, and could be signed to the practice squad on Monday.

In that same article, it is stated that since Thornton was on the roster ‘early in the week’, he got paid for the week. So, I might be wrong with my earlier ‘Thursday’ claim. Perhaps the day limit is Tuesday. I can’t find it in the CBA.

DC.com is also reporting that Burnett’s scope procedure went well, that nothing unexpected was found, and that the original 1-to-3-week estimate for his return is still valid.

why don’t all yall antonio bryant fans root for the browns this year and go find their blog………….AB is in a contract year he either produces or gets cut…….wait til he gets a contract and he will go back to the same old AB……..that did not run routes……….did not block…………complained about not getting the ball in games………complained about too much practice……….

one bad apple can spoil the whole bunch………i dont think you need that guy on the field or in the locker room……..at least TO produces……….and I ain’t sure I would want him in the locker room or on the team……….

Matt:
If you’re looking at dismissable players, don’t look at Ellis, he’ll play every snap played with a 4 man front, every, because he’s the best End of what we have at that. And flexibility, guys, Parcells made the move to the 3-4 because he wanted to expand the schemes he could line against a team, not just to get the D in which he’s most comfortable. And as long as Parcells stays on the team and we don’t have cap troubles we will keep Ellis and Glover, because they both can change everything around them.

But again, if you’re looking to dismissable players, look no further than Eric Ogbogu and Kenyon Coleman. Coleman might have a pretty good trade value if he proves to be capable of handling the rigors of a 3-4 End and might be tradable, if as expected, Spears sits him. And you still have Ratliff right behind Spears, so you have the depth required for the move.

Ken 6-10 won’t happen this year, i’ll bet my left nut it won’t, if we lose ONE game on the road to a 12-4 team its not the end of the season. Defenses need to work together to work, this is our first real game playing the 3-4 defense AND we have rookies starting.

IF WE LOSE SUNDAY…. which prolly won’t happen but if it does im just gonna laugh if I see people panicking here.

All this talk about AB is BS.

Assume he has a good year last year, so what, our D was not going to take us to the play-offs. If anything, it might have moved us down the draft and we lost Ware. Now assume he has a good year THIS year, anybody want to pay him the salary and bonus money he would now demand? I wouldn’t…not with that attitude. And if he did ‘change’ his attitude this year? Wouldn’t matter to me…the real test is AFTER he had recieved his bonus money. Personally I wouldn’t place that bet.

So when people bitch and moan about ‘losing’ the talented AB, I think we are talking about only for 1 year.

Antonio Bryant sucks, and I don’t like head cases. However, that doesn’t mean that he won’t blossom into a good player under the right circumstances. How many of you remember Charles Haley peeing on Tim Harris’ Mercedes, when Harris was brought in by the 49ers to help with the pass rush? Haley was so upset by that, he peed on Harris’ car, they got into a fist fight, and Haley ends up in Dallas, and the rest is history!

Maybe that’s not such a good example, because Haley was already a great player when he joined the Cowboys, but it just goes to show what a change of scenery can do, so don’t write off Bryant yet, even though I’m glad he’s gone, because he was more of a distraction than a playmaker when he was in Big D. We’ll see how he handles the emergence of Braylon Edwards, should that happen. But, enough of players who are no longer here, and lets get on with what’s coming up…….. The new “Doomsday!”

onepaniolo

Antonio Bryant sucks? I don’t think so. I think you know better than that

I’m reading all these posts about Bryant and I’m laughing my @ss off. I’ve been saying that the trade was stupid all along. Now, look at all the people who agree. Bryant is going to be a lot better than Morgan, so we got hosed on that trade. That’s all I’ve ever said. Nice to see guys step up and say what many of us have been thinking all this time.

Yes, there’re a lot of guys saying that trading Bryant was a bad move, just like there were guys saying the same thing from Reshard Lee, Quincy Carter, Ross and some others, mather is there’s also a lot of guys that think that we’re better with what we have.

Yeah, but the Bryant move WAS bad.

Or WAS a good one… You don’t know, I don’t know, nobody knows… So drop it.

peerless price is young and 2yrs from being the most sought at free agent wide receiver and we got him for next to nothing, 4 receiver sets are gonna be awesome.

No, YOU drop it. YOU are the one who says he doesn’t know. I DO KNOW, and I’ve known since it happened. If you don’t want to discuss it further, quit posting

Whatever anyone thinks about AB, we got NOTHING in return when we let him go. WE DO KNOW THAT!