Sunday Open Thread

And Steve McNair is proving that a Top Five QB can make up for a lot of shortcomings on a footbal team.

And Culpepper is proving you need more than just a top 5 QB. he’s killing me in FF!!!

Yeah Theogt Minny lost their offensive coordinater this off season and it’s really showing up,I had Culpepper last year when things were rockin for him…

Guys Culpepper’s problem’s can be summed up into one word Moss. No one in the game demands the type of attention that Moss does. In week 1, NE was using triple coverage to slow him down. You can not replace Moss. They traded the best player in the history of their franchise for Napolean Kaufman and a high first round pick that didn’t even crack the starting lineup. Changes in Minnesota are immenent, their is a need for supervision and direction up there.

I’m not much more than a loyal fan and casual nfl observer … but … Minnisotas seems to not have a clue in trades. Didn’t we capitolize on a Hershell Walker trade that practically built our 90’s dynasty?

Cash:
You’re wrong there, how can Moss by himself count for the 8 Interceptions Culpepper has been counted for? I’ve seen those, and I can find a couple that Moss could’ve catched getting all over the corner or safety, but still I can find another 6 Int’s that can easily give a L to the end of the game. Culpepper is certainly missing Linehan more than he misses Moss.

BTW, Moss got himself all over the corner or safety in yesterday game and that didn’t related to him getting the ball.

Culpepper does miss moss. Did any of you watch Moss last night? He’s unbelievably good. He may be the sole reason that Culpepper is so highly regarded. Moss is amazing. He’s taller, faster, stronger, quicker, can jump higher, and the game plays out in slow motion for him. He makes corner backs look like cartwheeling circus clowns.
Moss counts for those 8 INTs, because he would’ve put points on the board and turned poorly thrown balls into long TDs. Culpepper would have th elead, and wouldn’t be forcing anything, thus no INTs. Culpepper would be secure, confident, and throwing to wide open 2nd and 3rd options because moss has a CB, S and LB watching him.

Minnesota made the same mistakes the redskins make……trying to build a franchise out of veterans from around the league. You never know what you are buying, and if they are buying in.

Moss, while a pain, draws double coverage at least, and sometimes triple. The rest of those recievers are average. Moss made them open, and that is being exploited now by the defense. Culpepper misses center Birk also, but the absence of a playmaker like Moss who could take teams deep at any time is undeniable.

On the flip side Kerry Collins kept dumping the ball to Lamont Jordan and Jerry Porter. Granted Porter is a great reciever……..perhaps the best in the game……but the two ball i saw him drop are regular catches for Randy. I ain’t no fan of Randy’s antics……….never have been……..i remember him at Marshal……..but the guy is a special athelete with unusual size and speed and the ability to just go get the ball from the defender. Collins would do well to watch more film of the Vikes………Daunte might want to call Norv and ask for another trade himself!

Chandus if you don’t understand the effect that double and triple coverage of one guy does in opening up other recievers you are more of a retard than I ever gave you credit for. You really need to stop talking football and just listen for a couple of years because you are cluless in all things football.

Cash:
Just like I was when I said that I would prefer a hundred times a Hines Ward over a Randy Moss, right?

Yeah, well, we have diferent opinions but I haven’t said to you retard, if having another opinion to your and for that I’m a retard, then what does that makes you? You’re a nobody, just like one of those guys on sportsline that prefer to insult someone if they aren’t on his bandwagon, hell, you might even be an Eagles fan! You’re already a T. O. fan! Change colors, you need that.

I know what a double team means, but you can game plan when you don’t have a legit number one receiver, which is what Minnesota doesn’t have, they have, well they might had (as far as I heard Burleson is injured, don’t know how serious), 3 number 2 receivers, so I’ll point my finger to the Front Office for not being able to do so.

But you can still call me retard, that would be better for you, that way you would only need to know that Moss is God and T.O. his son. Amen.

Chandus,

if you saw some of the replays in The Chiefs/Raiders game, you saw Moss run through a zone and three and sometings FOUR defensive players move toward him!! Sure Jordan dropped a bunch of open passes in the underneath space that Moss cleared out, but on most other teams that means an extra 7 points on the board. I like HWard and MHarrison and even TOwens, but there is no one close to Moss as an offensive threat at the WR position since JRice retired.

I don’t agree with the name calling, just stating my opinion.

AlanTdot:
I know what Moss is capable of doing, I also know what he’s incapable of, I’m not as, what did Cash told me? Retard, yes, I do know that he’s not the right man to lay upon with the game on the line, those guys you mentioned are able, with T.O. only able at times… AlanTdot, go and see the last minutes on the game you mentioned, Moss was a non-factor when he game on the line and he sould have catched that pass, but then Moss saw that the pass was a little behind and reacted poorly as I’ve seen him doing before and that wasn’t a bit surprising.
I mentioned that I believe that Culpepper problems have more to do with the coaching job because he’s throwing the ball as he’s accostumed to, guys, if he doesn’t have a real number 1 receiver, he can’t do that anymore. Moss is, has been and will continue to be a number one receiver on a team, but in my book, not the best.

Chandus,

If you don’t recognize that both Moss and TO are the best two WRs in the game then you are just further soldifying you lack of knowledge. I would assume you don’t even watch football if that is your opinion. Not having Moss means that when everyone else is covered you can’t just heave a deep ball and know that 9 times out of 10 he’s coming down with it. It further soldifies the notion that Culpepper isn’t really that good at recognizing coverages. Anyone can recognize a WR that has no one covering him because the guy that should be covering him is helping out with Moss. It’s not rocket science and you lack of recognition of the obvious nature of the problem is what makes me think you are slightly if not profoundly retarded. Perhaps its alcohol fetal syndrome I don’t know. At the very least you should be provided with 24 hour supervision so you don’t walk into traffic.

Cash:
Yeah, just like the guys that mentioned in Sporstline Marvin Harrison as the best receiver, they were the best corners in the league, you won’t tell to me that you know better, right? Yeah, well, you might. And I’m done. What am I doing arguing with a guy that likes T.O. jock strap?!

Lay off the booze Chandus your incoherent rants are doing you no favors.

Its hard to argue with the fact that Moss is the most physically gifted and dangerous receiver out there – TO is probably the only one who comes close.

I think he did make Culpepper over-confident about forcing balls into coverage, because Moss would bail him by simply beating out the DB. Confidence is so key to a QB, Culpepper has lost this, which combined with a much weaker o-line has led to these 2 disasters. As soon as confidence is gone QB’s start hesitating, doubting, forcing and get into a deep negative spiral.

Once Culpepper adjusts and builds some confidence I think he can show that he is a solid QB, just maybe not quite as good as he looked with Moss to throw to.