Bad Week at the Office

For the first time in months I’ve switched my sirius radio off the NFL channel. John Riggins is annoying, but it was great when his co-commentator asked, “As a redskins fan, you can’t REALLY be happy with this win can you?”

I’m really disappointed that Cowboys fans are making Roy the scape goat. Now HE took the blame himself, but c’mon. GLENN blew the coverage- he said so himself. It was HIS responsibility.

Roy Williams intercepted a pass and ran it back for a TD in his rookie season- against the redskins, even though he’s is not a coverage guy. He’s never been known for his coverage skills, not even at Oklahoma.

We LOST that game for lots of reasons. Because Roy’s “mistake” was the most dramatic mistake (or the last mistake) doesn’t mean he’s to blame for our team’s TOTAL meltdown.

People seem to be more upset at Roy than Cortez or Payton. Roy’s biggest play was that sack for a huge loss on Brunell, and what did the offense do with that opportunity? Nothing. Roy can do a lot for us- and has- but he can’t do it all guys.

I’m more disappointed with the LACK of fan loyalty towards Roy Williams, a player who has made many many big plays for us, than I am about actually losing the game. Way to support our team, guys….

Rich, Roy is great. A perennial pro-bowler who will likely be a hall-of-famer. However, this was a lesson he needed to learn, that payton needed to learn, and that cortez…wait, I’ll stop at the first two..

Exactly! Our players (and coaches) are learning lessons here that WILL benefit them in the playoffs this year. Oh, yeah- we’re still going!

Spoke with a die-hard redskins buddy of mine last night- he called from DC. He said that that whole town was is such a great mood on Tuesday. He said they’re excited cuz they have an easy schedule, but conceeded that they aren’t better than the Cowboys.

Maybe we can knock ’em out of the playoffs!

What is the Cowboys (or evn better, NFL) won-loss record when scoring less than 14 points? In the first 2 weeks of this season, teams that score 14 points or less are 2-20. In the NFL, the offense needs to allow the defense to give up only 14 points.

This criticism is unwarranted and unfair. His overall play hardly reflects the two busted plays he’s already taken responsibility for. Here’s my response to SI:

Comparing Roy’s coverage ability to FSs is meaningless. That’s like comparing sacks between DEs and DTs. Someone’s missed the point. Roy is overaggressive in space to be sure, and needs to work on his recognition due to his lack of experience playing away from the LoS. And it’s worth noting Roy spent a significant amount of time playing out of position once Darren Woodson went down at the start of last season. Even with all this taken into consideration Roy still compares favorably (with the exception of Reed) to the examples you site in terms of his production in coverage. Roy was credited with 9 INTs and 27 PDs in his first three seasons (7 and 17 in his first two). Compare that to Polamalu (5 and 18), Brown (9 and 20), Dawkins (8 and 27) and Harrison (10 and 19). When you compare Roy to other elite SSs in their first three years and his #s looke even better; Atwater (10 and 25), Lynch (3 and 7), Darius (6 and 20), etc.

*Polamalu stats represent his first two years (he’s currently a third year player)

There’s plenty of blame to go around. It’s not just one or two players. Let’s just hope that everyone from the coaches to the players that they all learn a lesson from this loss and not let it happen again the rest of the season. There are still 14 games to go. Let’s get it on.

I have to make a comment about how the NFL handed the Giants an extra home game. I thought it’s a slap in the face to the Saints , their fans and to NFC East division foes. Saint’s head coach and players had comments about how they appreciated the welcoming gestures of the NY fans but overall they had to battle the crowd noise during the game. It would’ve been better for the Saints to just play in San Antonio or Baton Rouge rather than travel across the country for a supposed home game. The NFL gave an unwarranted advantage to the NY Giants that may in the end mean a possible playoff trip and home field for at least one postseason game.

The blame should be appointed into what a guy mentioned in the previous post, he mentioned that on offense Bledsoe only used to see to his first option and then, only at times to his second option, there’s a reason for that, the front office expected Washington to be all over Bledsoe, blitzing the house for him, but they didn’t, and Payton should had changed the passing game according to what he was seeing on the field. That pass to Glenn went with the same logistic played until that moment, look at the first option and if it’s open, throw and avoid the sack.

I can see Parcells taking a bigger role on play calling, with Payton still on the controls.

Paul S,

great retort. I am sick of people bashing Williams without merit. Yes he needs to get better in coverage, but he has a huge effect on the game regardless. That SI article is a joke. RWilliams does exactly what a SS should do. That he does a middling imatation of a FS is not relevant.

Chandus,

it seems the play calling on Monday was designed to not let Bledsoe lose the game. But it didn’t give him an opportunity to help in winning the game. I think he needed to take some deep shots to try and get his feel. His ball was diving most of the night.

If Roy had been rushing the QB instead of trying to cover, which isn’t his speciality, we wouldn’t even be talking about him negatively. But, things are always easier to spot in hindsight. I bet the Cowboys will be ready for the 49ers.

Rich,
A . Glenn played both of those passes perfectly.His job is to
not let Moss get to the outside and to push him to the inside
where he had help.Roy was there it baffles me why he couldn’t
make the plays.
As one of the other posters said there is plenty of blame to go
around to both players and coaches.

14 point given up 5 sacks and 2 turnovers. I would take that every game from our D. Washington D was just better this week we gave up three big plays they gave up 1 big play. Our Offence sucked.

becker
What?? If AG didn’t go for the pick on the 2nd TD it wouldnt have been a TD…….He even said that.
CTO
If we would have scored more then 13 points we wouldnt be talking about

Hello Everyone,

I am a Cowboys faithful and I have been since I was 6 years old (many years ago). You talk about disappointed – didnâ€â"¢t sleep at all after the game. I told my wife that Iâ€â"¢m going to just have to stop watching football all together especially my Boys. I have no room in my life any more for losing. How do you lead for three quarters and lose the game in the last five minutes when you hadnâ€â"¢t allowed the other team to score all night prior to the last five minutes. I have no idea but I know who to ask. Roy Williams, Arron Glenn, Mike Zimmer and Bill Parcells – in that order. We found out last rear that Roy couldnâ€â"¢t drop back into coverage and cover anybody – thatâ€â"¢s why we started bringing him back closer to line of scrimmage where he is most effective. Why in the world would we ask him to try and cover somebody or assist in coverage in the final minutes of the game when we had three DBâ€â"¢s on the team to perform that duty. I live in Maryland with these dreadful skins fans and you have no idea what itâ€â"¢s like to be around these types of people. We lost a battle and I want to win the war but this team is going to have to grow up fast. I just canâ€â"¢t take losing anymore weâ€â"¢ve been losing for to long. This is not rocket science and ALL of the games we play can be won. I know we are a young team, I know we have rookie starters and back-ups but enough excuses. Letâ€â"¢s play football and win. I truly believe we have what it takes to get to the Superbowl now. The refâ€â"¢s in the league are pathetic excuses. We should just get rid of all of them and let high school refâ€â"¢s referee the game weâ€â"¢d have less calls and a faster game and less stupid false calls (Greg Ellis holding). I would like to close with a very serious question. Has anyone noticed that Julius Jones tries to put a move on a defender before he actually gets where the defender is and ends up get tackled by the guy he canâ€â"¢t see behind him and ends up leaving yards on the field because he just didnâ€â"¢t run straight ahead in the lane and get as many yards as he could. We had 3rd and short on several occasions that we didn’t pick up. The thing is though that Julius could have converted the 1st down on the second down run if he had just taken what the defense was giving instead of trying to â€Å"juke” a guy and end getting tackled by another. I just want to know am I the only one that sees this. I like Julius but I like winning even more. By the way when we got burnt by moss on the 49 yarded why didnâ€â"¢t we but Newman on him from that point forward until the game was over or at least put a physical guy on him to bump him at the line of scrimmage to take him out of or delay his route. We were getting pressure on brunell anyway. Two weeks in a row weâ€â"¢ve got burnt on the long ball at the end of the game – thatâ€â"¢s a problem, remember 4/14 when we played the chargers. I also donâ€â"¢t think Zimmer is calling the defenses I think Parcells is – I think thatâ€â"¢s why he gave up the offensive play calling so he could focus on the defense – fine with me because Zimmer has never impressed me anyway.

Saints quarterback Aaron Brooks had some strong comments about all the hoopla surrounding the game.

“They made this seem like the Super Bowl,” Brooks said after the loss. "We played a team that outplayed us today, but it was way overdone. Setting up a stage, traveling out here, was uncalled for.

“Try not to patronize us next time, traveling us to New York, saying we’re playing a home game.”

“They could have done that anywhere,” Haslett said. "They could have played that game in Baton Rouge. They could have played it in San Antonio and could have done the same thing.

“To play it in Giants Stadium, to give them another home game and to put us in a situation where we couldn’t hear … It wasn’t why we lost that game, but …”

When the league told the Saints they had to play in New Jersey, Haslett would only say it put his team behind the 8-ball. Yet after seeing his team commit six turnovers and 13 penalties, he let loose.

“It wasn’t a home game,” he said. “I look up at the scoreboard and there are signs, ’Let’s Go Giants’. The referees, when they flipped the coin, they asked us if we wanted heads or tails. They had no idea who the home team was and who was away. The crowd noise we had to deal with, we never had to do a silent count at home.”

RAF,

Just wanted to congratulate you on having the balls to say
what you did about the Saints giants game.None of the
 mainstream MEDIOTS had the guts to offer a different
opinion from the nfl company line.Yet another great call
by the Rafster!!!!!!!

aw,
It was roys play to make.I don’t think A.Glenn would have
gotten to moss whether he went for the int. or not.

If Bledsoe had throw 2 int. in the last 5 minutes of the game I am not sure he would be getting the love that ROY is getting.

If you want a guy to tackle the RB for no gain when the game is on the line you put Roy in that position, but if you need a guy that won’t let anybody get by him 30 yds down the field because he will take himself out of the play you don’t put Roy in. The coach should know the players physical and mental abilities (limitations) after a few years with him and not put him in a place where he can’t handle his primary responsibility.

You can point your finger at this play or that , but the coach is the guy with the final say on how the team is to play the game. He plays it to safe on offense. How many plays did Bledsoe attempt throws over 20 yds? Was he sacked even once during the game? If the other team knows you’re going to run it makes it much more difficult for JJ to get the yds.

Like it was mentioned earlier if you don’t score 20 pts a game you’re going to have a hard time winning. This offense should be good enough player wise to do that if the coach would just give them the chance to make the plays.

BP can see talent (look at the draft) but I would rather have Jimmy as the coach on game day. That guy is much more aggressive and I like that IMO.

becker
Yes he would have. Look at it again going for the pick took him out of the play plus he said so himself

Becker,

forget it, they will make every excuse in here to cover up for our overrated Safety.

Roy was a game changer alright, blew three coverages, two for touchdowns and cost us the game, yup, he’s a game changer alright.

The two other game changers, you seem Roy caused were not game changers, lets see a forced fumble with 9 seconds left in the first half, changed nothing, the other was a second down play during the washington’s first scoring drive which was a sack on a blitz for a 17 yard loss and the very next 3 for 27 yard play was a brunell 25 yard run and in the end changed nothing again because on that same drive Washington scored a touchdown.

Its time for the Cowboys and the fans of Dallas should bite the bullet and move Roy to OLB where he would do some good, because as a safety, he isn’t cutting it, he’s is way over hyped, for each good play he makes, I could name 5 in which he was the cause of a bad play. He cant cover in a cover two, OMG, his one main responsibility is to not let a reciever get behind him and he failed at it three times in 3 minutes.He takes bad angles on plays and is too busy trying to make the big hit instead of just rapping up his man. His horse collar tackle is a result of not being in the right position because he takes bad angles.Next time he whacks someone like a reciever, before you get all excited, look to see if the reciever caught the ball and see if its a first down, because if it is a first down, that so called bigtime whack means nothing. So during the offseason,Roy eat a couple of biscuits and learn to play Linebacker, where you’re better suited because you’re becoming a reliability as a safety.

AG was at least some where near the WR as the under neath cover guy, to bad the over the top guy wasn’t.

rmac
First of all Roy is not getting love here for the most part. Roy didnt cost us this game I will take given up 14 point every week. We lost becaues we only put up 13 points. We had one good play.

Derrick

Well said. If Roy is not kept near the line he will hurt the team more than he helps it.

Aw,
if we scoed 27 points and gave up 28 points, you would be still complaining we didn’t score enough

Derrick
So putting up only 13 points had nothing to do with it???

Roy is not getting Love?? I wish my a** got as much lipstick as Roy’s on this site.

Aw,
Washington in 7 and almost four quarters haven’t scored a touchdown. 13 point was more than enough to beat that starving offense.

Derrick
First of all if we only score 13 points we shouldn’t win if we score 27 we should win. If we only give up 14 point we should win. If we would have lost in week one it would have been our D fault for giving up that many points. This week its our Offence fault for not putting up points.

rmac,

that is so true.

Derrick
Washington played better D and Offense then us.

AW,

don’t waste your time on the RWilliams bashers.

I think that the offense did not look in sync with the passing game. Bledsoe was looking to – and got plays from Payton telling him to – beat the blitz. They didn’t blitz as much as we expected. Our game plan should have then been adjusted but it wasn’t.

Dallas 41 san fran 3

I think roy is a very good safety ,he was in position or
very close to it.Why he didn’t make the plays baffles
me.As for ag and the int. it doesn’t matter roy should
have made the play……as i said earlier there is plenty
of blame to go around.I thought the play calling sux
especially after TT return.I don’t know about you
but I wanted TD i didn’t want the game in cortez
hands.

Stewart,

Yes I think Parcells has mentioned Jones getting more positive yards, but really, with a TE blocking instead of a real fullback I think that is how we left yards on the field, not Julius’ running style. Julius is great at setting up defenders in space and then getting past them, he just didn’t get much space on Monday. Washington has a tough D, no question, but I think a FB might have given us more yards. watch for Julius to have a monster game in SF.

Game stats

Offense: Dallas had the same total yds for the game (actually 5 more than washington),
no turn overs (Was. 2), and held the ball 4 minutes more than the skins. Thats not being out played. Dallas just didn’t try anything much in the middle to long range.

Note that in his interview today, Bill said that the 1st TD was not Roy’s fault and that the holding call was not Flozell’s fault, but another player’s.

Aw,
if you were to say that earlier in the game we should of stretched their defense more with some intermediate routes, I would completely agree with you, but when you watched Washington offense the whole game, they couldn’t do nothing against our defense, and lets give Washington some credit on defense because thay have a pretty good defense as well. If I’m not mistaken, they were number one last year in that catagory, and some games you just have to hold your apponents and If I were to bet you that washington would comeback and score 14 points against our defense with less than six minutes left in the game after we kicked a field goal to make it 13-0, you woud bet me in a second. I love Roy, I think he’s a good player, but he just cant play cover safety, he’s a reliability out there and I’m telling you right now things are only going to get worse for him because teams will attack the middle of the field on go routes because Washington exposed our problem on defense, and that Roy in coverage deep down the seam. I’ve watch a ton of football in my life, and I think Roy would make a great OLB on this team, he’s just better suited to play that position, he would have no problem putting on 15 pounds and that wouldn’t effect his abiity one bit.

Remnant,

Dont read to much into Bills statement, he’s just trying to deflect the blame from Roy and Flozell, I’ve seen him do that every place he coached. Did you notice he never mention the player who was the cause…

Was. D in 2004 was first in the NFC and 3rd overall in the NFL.

Who is bashing? I love it that Roy Williams is a Cowboy. And, Roy Williams is a liability in coverage. period. It’s not an opinion, it’s a fact. The MEDIOTS love roy because he makes the big hits and looks great in silver in blue earholing WRs. Fact is, he blows coverage regularly. His best coverage technique is to try to knock the chicklets out of a WR’s mouth, and hope the other WRs have alligator arms for the rest of the afternoon.
I don’t think he should move to LB. I think he should lose weight, and commit to learning how to move his feet and hips, and become a student of route-running.
Short of that, we should play two FSs on passing downs.

I have digital video recorder and it’s agonizing to watch him over and over bite on that wrong route on the first TD pass.
I think the S.I. article is right on. His mentality is big plays, big hits, and he doesn’t have the larger game in mind. “doesn’t concentrate on being a defensive back and play cautious when he has to” The article isn’t totally negative. It’s just doing what Rafael does, calling out mainstream media for fawning over a player who probably doesn’t deserve it. It also suggests that Roy could focus better and improve. He’s still young.

Roy is top five at SS. Before training camp the talk was about who is going to play FS we need a FS. Two games in now we need a SS??? Roy is going to have a good year BP will just have to move him in or take him out on 3rd and long. Last year Roy sucked I don’t think he will this year.

It’s called small sample size. We’ve still got only two games in the books, so every success/mistake is going to analyzed to death. Roy does make mistakes in coverage and he’ll never be Darren Woodson in coverage, but then, how many other safeties are? I think he had a bad half quarter. By Sunday, nobody will care.

Let’s be real!!! I sucks that the Cowboys lost, however, we cannot just place blame on a couple of individuals. The Cowboys lost, they cannot expect to win a game scoring only 13 points. The offense was not on Monday night. They have so many weapons, what happened I don’t know. Drew Bledsoe had great protection, however, the majority of the night the receiver’s were non-existent. Bring on the Whiner’s!!!

Rafael

Ya, but it was Washington…anybody else and it wouldn’t be so bad. I hate that bouncing little fat boy Snyder.

rmac,
you are so right. I can’t stand Snyder the snivelling f+++

too many people bashing roy, loss wasnt his fault at all, if cortez wouldnt have missed that 41 yarder we would be sitting here saying that the defense looked winded at the end of the game, but at least we won

rmac,

I had a friend in grad school who is a huge Cowboys fan. His girlfriend at the time was an insufferable Redskins fan. In the spring of ‘96, we were having drinks and she was going on and on about how the ’Skins had swept the Cowboys the year before. “And who won the Super Bowl this January?” I asked. "If you can guarantee me the Lombardi trophy every year, I’ll put up with being swept by you for the rest of my life, because that’s all your miserable team will ever have."

She didn’t talk to me after that. Never liked her.

And we’ve got to keep a longer view. It sucks losing to Washington, but the goals are bigger than beating them and dancing in the middle of the field as they did Monday night. Snyder doesn’t have many (any?) big wins as owner, so I can understand him jumping around. But old Joe looked like he had never won a big one before. I have to admit that surprised me.

BECKER, (and all you other Roy backstabers!)

“as for AG and the int, it doesn’t matter. roy should have made the play.”

REALLY?? Then what was Glenn’s responsibility on that play? What the hell was he on the field for if it was all on Roy?

But okay. let’s just suit up eleven guys on defense from now on; Roy can play SS AND cover deep, since he should do it all, right?

Can’t wait for the next Cowboy player to have a bad game. You and Derrick gonna burn them at the stake, too? (And Roy didn’t have a bad game- he was misused.)

You and derrick (who was all in support of our CRAP offensive play-calling, btw) are just like those mediots and Cowboys-bashers who critisize any probowl player with a star on his helmet. They’d better be perfect, right?

It shows you two have a really SIMPLISTIC view of what went wrong on Monday night to put it all on freaking Roy.

We should- and could- have scored more than 13 damn points.

We should have utilized our passing game like we did against San diego.
We HAD the pass protection- washington’s blitz was a non-factor.

We should have converted that very makable field goal.

We should have thrown the ball PAST the 1st down marker on third down…

Glenn should NOT have gone for the pick on one of those big plays- HE SAID SO HIMSELF. HE’s suppossed to be the speedy cover guy! But NOooooooo! Let’s slam Roy and kiss Glenn’s backside. Glenn was brought in for those types of plays- that’s all he does. Roy is the hard hitter and a blitz machine; you (and our coaches) seem to have forgotten that.

But, you and derrick are right: It’s all Roy’s fault…. let’s trade him. What has HE ever done for us anyway?

Rafael Vela
come on now they should jump up and down they just beat the Cowboys. We have been beating them for years. What is that 14 out of 16 something. I would have jumped up and down too. We all jumped up and down when we finally beat Philly two years ago. The difference is Philly was beating us when they were good Our 5-11 teams were still beating Washington.

oh wait— we do suit up eleven. i meant ten… ah hell. never mind.

We’ll rejoice when we beat philly cuz they are on top of the division. Not cuz they’re the eagles (who cares?).

BUT the skins and eagles and giants and 49ers and all the rest love to beat the Cowboys no matter what, even when we suck. Why? Cuz of what our franchise has established in the 60’s, 70’s (mostly), early 80’s, and 90’s. We’re the Cowboys. Simple.

Remember, they hate us a LOT more than we hate them.

We beat the 49’rs and we are 2-1,just as most of us predicted,The Deadskins will wither,and when we play them next I would hate to be them!

We lost because of the mistakes by both Glenn and Williams…wether they’re the best players in the history of the NFL or nor, they screwed up badly on two similar plays that should’ve never happened.

I think at the end of the day it will be a good thing since we were all flying very high in our expectations for the season….let’s smack the niners good and still expect our team to get at least 10 wins this season…..

We lost because of the mistakes by both Glenn and Williams…wether they’re the best players in the history of the NFL or nor, they screwed up badly on two similar plays that should’ve never happened.

I think at the end of the day it will be a good thing since we were all flying very high in our expectations for the season….let’s smack the niners good and still expect our team to get at least 10 wins this season…..

Even Gibbs said they were surprised we weren’t playing the two-deep at the end.

Our coaching let us down- On BOTH sides of the ball. Their playing too conservative on offense showed how little faith they have in their players. Or at least that’s the message they seem to send. How else do you explain running out clock from right before halftime?

And ya’ll are gonna screaming in your living rooms like little girls the next time Roy takes down a QB like he did Brunell- and that’ll be quite a lot, let me tell ya.

Roy Williams is a good football player, but he did not play smart. C’mon he didn’t get beat once, he got beat back to back on the same play. Santana Moss is not a secret, and if he was, he should not have been the second time.

Lets go get the 49ers.

Hello Everyone,

I am a Cowboys faithful and I have been since I was 6 years old (many years ago). You talk about disappointed – didnâ€â"¢t sleep at all after the game. I told my wife that Iâ€â"¢m going to just have to stop watching football all together especially my Boys. I have no room in my life any more for losing. How do you lead for three quarters and lose the game in the last five minutes when you hadnâ€â"¢t allowed the other team to score all night prior to the last five minutes. I have no idea but I know who to ask. Roy Williams, Arron Glenn, Mike Zimmer and Bill Parcells – in that order. We found out last rear that Roy couldnâ€â"¢t drop back into coverage and cover anybody – thatâ€â"¢s why we started bringing him back closer to line of scrimmage where he is most effective. Why in the world would we ask him to try and cover somebody or assist in coverage in the final minutes of the game when we had three DBâ€â"¢s on the team to perform that duty. I live in Maryland with these dreadful skins fans and you have no idea what itâ€â"¢s like to be around these types of people. We lost a battle and I want to win the war but this team is going to have to grow up fast. I just canâ€â"¢t take losing anymore weâ€â"¢ve been losing for to long. This is not rocket science and ALL of the games we play can be won. I know we are a young team, I know we have rookie starters and back-ups but enough excuses. Letâ€â"¢s play football and win. I truly believe we have what it takes to get to the Superbowl now. The refâ€â"¢s in the league are pathetic excuses. We should just get rid of all of them and let high school refâ€â"¢s referee the game weâ€â"¢d have less calls and a faster game and less stupid false calls (Greg Ellis holding). I would like to close with a very serious question. Has anyone noticed that Julius Jones tries to put a move on a defender before he actually gets where the defender is and ends up get tackled by the guy he canâ€â"¢t see behind him and ends up leaving yards on the field because he just didnâ€â"¢t run straight ahead in the lane and get as many yards as he could. We had 3rd and short on several occasions that we didn’t pick up. The thing is though that Julius could have converted the 1st down on the second down run if he had just taken what the defense was giving instead of trying to â€Å"juke” a guy and end getting tackled by another. I just want to know am I the only one that sees this. I like Julius but I like winning even more. By the way when we got burnt by moss on the 49 yarded why didnâ€â"¢t we but Newman on him from that point forward until the game was over or at least put a physical guy on him to bump him at the line of scrimmage to take him out of or delay his route. We were getting pressure on brunell anyway. Two weeks in a row weâ€â"¢ve got burnt on the long ball at the end of the game – thatâ€â"¢s a problem, remember 4/14 when we played the chargers. I also donâ€â"¢t think Zimmer is calling the defenses I think Parcells is – I think thatâ€â"¢s why he gave up the offensive play calling so he could focus on the defense – fine with me because Zimmer has never impressed me anyway.

To those who are ticked about the offense,
Who ever lost a game in which their opponent didn’t score? Our O schemes and play is just fine.

To those who are ticked at Roy,
Everyone knows that Roy’s forte IS NOT deep coverage! We perhaps need to make an adjustment with his role in the nickel, but nothing more. Believe me, I know this was a bitter loss, but “trade him”, “he sucks” etc. ARE YOU NUTS? It’s only 2 games fellas. This loss, as bitter as it WAS (and to the flocking foreskins), will help our team immensely if they take the proper lessons from it. KEEP THE FAITH! GO COWBOYS!

Roy WIlliams is the shiznich and it makes me sick to my stomach all the people who want to bash him over a few missed plays. I bet when he has a great game (which he wil) everyone will jump back on the Roy is the greatest bandwagon. At least they are consistent at being inconsistent.

that Trev sure is right. so they lost ‘cause of some mistakes, so what! at least it was here in the 2nd game of the season and not, lets just say, the last game of the season and it’s determining wether we go to the playoffs or not. you can bet your ass that when they play the Redskins later in the season, or any other team for that matter, they won’t let that happen again. so be a good fan and support them, not one of those sorry ass fans who jump from team to team ’cause they won a superbowl.

J.D. and trev,

So what!!!!! Thats your response. In the NFL with all it parody, those 3 or 4 plays in a game that you say so what about determine whether you win or lose, and if your team doesn’t make the playoff, you wont be looking at games late in the season for the reason why you didn’t make the playoffs. If Dallas won its last six games and didn’t make the playoffs, what would your excuse be then.

Rich,

When you’re in field goal range late in games and you have a ten point lead and have held your opositon to zero points and have have completely shut down their offense, an offense that hasn’t scored a touchdown in seven and a half quarters, you dont take chance trying to go nuts throwing the ball when you are first and twenty because of another penealty, the chances of throwing an interception was greater than throwing a touchdown, and if the cowboys threw an interception and that was run back for a touchdown, you would be whinning about that play call. The Cowboys threw 36 times, how is that conservative, if you want to complain about play caling earlier in the game by not stretching the field, I would agree, but dont miss state what I said and when I said it.

Roy Williams deserves all he gets for this loss because his mistakes cost us the game, thats not bashing him, thats the truth, and NOONE wants to run him out of town or trade him, another miss quote by you. He’s a reliability on the field in coverage and in the cover two he was help in coverage, not covering one on one, you cant restructure your whole defense to cover up for one player, thats a recipe for disaster. so either take him off the field and put someone in there to now understands what cover two is or move Roy to linebacker where is closer to the line and wont get exposed as much. The day is coming when he is going to be moved to OLB, he’s too heavy to play strong safety and He would cause more problems to offenses if he played linebacker where he is better suited for.I like Roy, I think he’s a good player, but to be considered a great player, you have to more than hammer somene once in a while and if that hammering comes at the end of a first down play, that hammering is mute.

It’s true Roy cost us that game. Said so himself. No player’s infallible.

But Roy’s critics are either expressing an emotional response, aren’t familiar with the history of the game/position or have an agenda, IMHO.

When you look at Roy’s #s (production in coverage) through his first three years they compare favorably to some of the most respected players to play the position (Atwater, Lynch, Milloy, Harrison, Brown, Dawkins, etc.). You can level the same criticism among the lot. If that’s the kind of production we can expect from an ‘overrated’ SS, I suspect most ’Boys fans will take it. That benchmark is hardly an indictment of his skills.

Obviously covering deep, in space is the weakest part of Roy’s game. That has more to do with a lack of experience playing away from the line of scrimmage as lack of ability. He needs to learn to harness his instinctive aggressiveness the further away from the LoS he’s playing, and spend time in the film room – and as much as the growing pains may hurt, he needs experience playing center field as much as anything – to develop better recognition.

With all the hype surrounding Roy being the “face of the ’Boys D” it’s understandable some have trouble recognizing he’s still a young, developing player. Unrealistic expectations has led to the premature crucifiction of more than one playmaker.

You have to admit, it’s somewhat ironic to hear fans express such strong opinions (Roy should be playing OLB) that contradict what defensive minded, HOF coaches like Bob Stoops and Bill Parcells obviously believe. Running the 3-4 vs. a 4-3 is another strike against putting a 230 lb OLB on the field (it’ll take more than a biscuit to shed the blocks to TEs and pulling Gs). It also begs the question, with Roy at OLB who takes his place at SS?

Bottom line for me is this: Roy definitely has room for improvement, but it’s premature to pass judgement on such a young, developing player, especially when you consider he’s producing at a level equivalent to the best to play the position so early into their respective development.

Rich etc.,

I am not piling on Roy.All i am saying is it was his responsiblity
to make those plays he was where he should have been on the
field and so was a.g. and i also said there was plenty of blame
to go around……..just like when bledsoe missed kj with the
touch pass in the endzone earlier in the game.

derrick sure sounds like a total douchebag. bandwagoner. GET HIM!!!

I hate those douchebag bandwagoners almost as much as I hate vienna sausages and thats a lot. I say bring on the 49ers and I hope we kill em cause I hate them more than bandwagon jumpin douchebags!!! GO COWBOYS!!!

that Trev sure is right again. they’re 1-1 people! cry a river, build a bridge, and get over it!! can’t be number 1 every year. you professional fans these days i swear. bring on the 49ers, that should be win number 2. i’m sure you professionals will do more whining even if we were to win big, like 42-3. go cowboys

People,

can we find an end to this Roy Williams free for all? Let’s let the team play till game 7 till we run off at the mouth about what he is or isn’t.

Many Respondants here have shown how well RWilliams numbers line up with other all-pro’s and HOF-ers and they match up pretty well, even beating the all time greats on occasion.

And please the talk about making him a LB based on his size is just silly. Hey guys!! Drew Bledsoe is 6’4" and 245lb why don’t we make him an OLB?

Oh Because there is a different skill set required to play different positions, y’know sort of like how it is hard for a SS to play FS. Unless you are RWilliams and then you get skewered for not being Brian Dawkins AND Ronnie Lott AND Steve Atwater.

Hey on the plus side Antonio Bryant continues his march
to Canton with a 3 for 32yds catch game for the Browns!!!!!!

Becker,

LOL, I hear Canton is getting Antonio Bryant bust and plaque started already for the induction ceromony. Oh, or is that Antonio Bryant is a bust, I get them mixed up all the time.

Yeah, and on the way, Braylon Edwards managed a 100+ yard game… I guess that he warmed the bench enough for Bryant to occupy it.

One bad game yall are all over someone.

AW:
That could be prefaced into one lousy game as what he used to do in Dallas. Because that was what he used to do while in here, with suddenly a big play, consistency was hardly seen. And you can’t say that Parcells wasn’t inclined to give him chances, this season should prove to everyone that Parcells is willing to play 3 and 4 receiver sets, at least in this 2 games he’s done it many times.

BTW, just saw Dr Z column, he ranks the best WR’s in the league, he’s a far more knowledgeable person than the majority of us, and still he ranks T.O. and Moss as 6th and 7th in the top ten, while he puts Marvin Harrison as numero 1 and Hines Ward as the 3rd. I guess that he’s another retard as I am. I do prefer the company of that retard instead of some of the enlightened ones in this blog…

Personally i feel like this loss should be blAMED on Sean Payton. cmon instead of going for the kill, he chose to run the ball, inside the red zone towards the end of the 3rd qrter. With all our Offensive weapons we need someone who can pull the trigger.

becher, derick, chadus (and you other negative trolls on this site):

Ya’ll got nothin better to say than to jump on AB, huh? losers…

Alright, AB only has 32 yards on the year?! and? so? why throw to him if you have braylon edwards?

Now us, we’re stocked at WR! Those 13 points we racked up on Monday night is proof of that, of course. At least derick supports our ’fraidy-pant style of play-calling. Norv would be proud!

I have to say though- 32 yards is a LOT more than yall’s boy Morgan has so far.

Now, I’d worry that every week we lose is gonna be another week we have to put up with yall’s whiny negative crap- but seems like ya’ll are just like that, win or lose. But, oh well. A blog’s not a blog if it doesn’t have a few haters. I’ve seen worse, but you guys’ll do.

If you guys are as bad as it gets on here, I guess it ain’t that bad.

So which Cowboy ya’ll gonna stab in the back this week? I guess we’ll wait and see. AB I can understand, but Roy? That’s just chickens**t.

…really guys, only bandwagoners are worse.

Rich,
it is clear that your knowledge with regards to football is very limited, because you have to resort to name calling of others and stating incorrect facts,Ab is a moss want to be cancer, who in three year showed with his tantrums that he couldn’t be coached and wouldn’t follow his assignments when he was on the field.Sorry to tell you, but this is the NFL, not kindergarden, coaches dont have time to coddle or babysit whinning players, like Bill stated earlier this year, he doesn’t have time for thugs and hoodlums like AB.
If someone dissagrees with your so called expert opinion, why do you get all hot and bothered when someone challanges you.We’re not backstabbing Roy, we’re just stating the facts, if you choose to watch threw rose colored glasses, well thats up to you. While you are enjoying that big monster hit by roy, the rest of the football folks see it for what it really is, and thats nothing because if the reciever caught the ball for a first down, the big hit is mute. I told you before, for the one good play roy makes, I can show you five in which he was the problem, you dont change your defense to cover the one player that is the problem in that defense, thats a recipe for disaster. Noone here and that includes me want Roy traded or cut,as you stated, he’s a good player with limited skills, he’s not a great player, I heard troy Aikman say today, that your safety cant allow the reciever to get by you on that play for a touchdown and others that have alot more knowledge about the game than you. I believe he would be a better linebacker than a safety, where he woud near the line all the time. He continues to make the same mistakes over and over. I never seen a coach make a tackle or make a play, thats what the players do, stop putting the blame on the offense, they didn’t give up the 14 points, and ofcource you’re going to tell me well the offense should of scored more, well The washington defense weren’t chop liver out there,but their offense sure is. As someone pointed out yesterday, they were first in the NFC and Third in the league last year, so as you can see they are pretty good. They were 6-10 last year, can you tell me how many games they lost in those ten that were 7 points or less.
I’m not a bandwagon jumper,son I’ve been a cowboy fan for atleast 35 of my 43 years, I like what I see on this team and the direction were taking, but were still a few pieces away from competing with the big boys like Philly, Indy and The Pats, but the gap is closing rapidly, but I hate losing to a team we had no business losing too, especially a team in our division by a player who isn’t a rookie and knows better, as he acknowledged after the game.
If I’m not mistaken, you were complaining after one useless preseason game, which mean nothing, as I said, their for evaluating players, you dont show teams your schemes.

rich:
I talk about Bryant more on the fact that there are guys like you that seem to compare the lose of Bryant as the lose of that part that could make our team into a Super Bowl contender this year… That’s at least like what it’s been sounding, comparing him to the best ones…

Hearing you say that, makes me sound as a guy that doesn’t talk anything good about this team, as in never, while I’ve been for a while a defendant of what we have as a receiving corps, I’ve been defending Keyshawn (yes, the TE that’s usually split wide (that’s sarcasm!)), Terry Glenn (this last game yardage is firm confirmation that there’s still some gas on his tank) and the rest of what we have (Morgan would be doing what Price made on Monday). I was also defending Ellis as DE in the 3-4 and he’s proving that I wasn’t wrong and I do like the way the team’s moving, I certainly think that this is a Playoffs team even after Monday’s game, they just need to modify their game plan according to what they see on the field and they’ll be fine.

Derrick:
While I do agree on some of the things you say, there was also fault on what Zimmer called, he should have called the 2 safeties deep, because he should have expected long passes by Brunell, if not the first one, he should’ve done that for the second, but he didn’t, making the less rapid Williams pay for what the scheme mandated, which was covering medium to long range passes. I do think that Williams is a bit slow, but SS tend to be that way (they aren’t always like that, just ask Woodson). Every SS in the league is capable of being burned to ashes fi the coverage scheme doesn’t go with what should be expected from the other team.

bledsoe sucks, your playcalling sucks, cortez sucks, payton sucks, you are ALL exactly collectively correct. What a bunch of whiny waaa! waaa! pansies you are. You deserve to lose cause you were crying about your stupid ring of losers ceremony. hahaha!

Brunell2moss: My what a cogent comment you are able to make. You must seem like a genius amongst your fellow feeble-minded, hog loving(literally) ilk. We deserved to lose because we were behind when time ran out, plain and simple. At least we can look forward to a team on the rise with a proud history of accomplishment. Looking at the last game is one way of comparing teams and that seems to be the only measure that the ’skins fans have to take any pride in. It will be short lived.

Cowboys fans have a much richer legacy when you look at things that really matter, Super Bowl rings, NFC East Championships and playoff wins.
What exactly are you proud of the Redskins for?

derrick,

where to begin here… the ONLY posters who prance around the blog like they’re “experts” are you and your little “Kill Roy” buddies.

You WERE applauding and defending Dallas’ conservative play-calling during the game- I was there- and that’s exactly why we LOST. Thank God guys like you weren’t calling the plays during the Championship game of ’92. Harper and the boys would NEVER have put the game away to secure the win on that last scoring drive. And that was for the NFC title.

If we’d have scored more than 13 stupid points, those two late TDs wouldn’t have mattered at all.

Now I realize this ain’t no “kindergarden class”, Pop, but sometimes you have to bring along the players that may be able to help you win. And I don’t mean “coddle”, smart ass. If you can reach them, they’ll play hard for you- like family. I believed Bryant was one of those guys. He maybe could’ve improved himself as a player, and a man.

Come to think of it, we shoulda “brought along” players like Lett, and Henderson, and Duane Thomas. The rewards would have been great, both on and off the field. Now they had REAL problems- Bryant was just a punk kid. You gotta grow up realize that we’re dealing with real people here, buddy. But you’ve probably never worked with young people in a coaching or teaching capacity; you just get it… moving on.

Back to our team now- YOU need to realize this ain’t like the keep-away game you played on the playground way back when. Anything can happen against the skins, and you have to be aggressive- YOU HAVE TO SCORE POINTS. You HAVE to anticipate a late run.

You and your ‘fraidy-cat style of playcalling ain’t gonna do much for us in a league where any team can win on any given week. You have to stay aggressive. Jimmy Johnson understood that. You have to play like a hungry young team- not like an old squad that’s afraid to make a mistake. It’s early in the season still. OPEN IT UP.

If you want it- TAKE it. You DON’T putter around the field playing keep away, putting it all on your defense to pull it out. That’s giving the other team way too much control- and WE CAN’T HAVE THAT ANYMORE!

You sure you know football? “Winning football”??

Respectfully….

chadus, mi amigo mexicanito,

I never said Bryant was the final piece to our Superbowl run. I don’t think ANY of us who thought the trade was a dud ever said that.

And we sure as hell didn’t get ANYTHING for him. (Where’s Morgan?) Now Crayton makes me forget Bryant- but we still shoulda gotten something for AB. Even you can see that.

While I know he’ll be never be in Canton, I still think he could play. Cleveland got us on that trade.

But even so, I knew you’d pull you’re little “I told you so” crap. Annoying, dude….

derick,

“you just DON’T get it….”

rich:
What would have happened if Bryant started the season with a couple of hundred yards games? The answer is simple you, AW and Cash and some of the others would have been harping on that you were right and the rest of us were wrong, so I’m doing my thing too.
Funny that amigo mexicanito… I hope things doesn’t go as bad over there with Rita.

I wouldn’t presume that we’d be talking trash if Bryant was kicking butt. Give me at least a little credit, compadre.

I might have “mentioned” it, but that’s not the same thing. :)

Besides, if we had a 100 yard receiver, we’d all be happy. Like I didn’t think we needed to sign Price, but if he kicks ass- esta bien!

And Texas will get through Rita just fine; that’s where I live- pero pobre New Orleans; they can’t handle any more rain.