Stepping Into the Way-forward Machine

I don’t care for Holmgrem.

He had plenty of talent in Green Bay and only won one Super Bowl. He had one of the best QBs to ever play the game in his prime and the guy never ever gets injured…….he had good running backs and for a while a great reciever. He had Reggie White and that big monster in the middle.

I don’t see him as a great coach more of an offensive coordinator who has been a head coach by default.

I think Jerry Jones and Bill Parcells are grooming Mike Zimmer. Zimmer is the only leftover from pre Bill Parcells. He has remade the whole staff……but looking around that staff you have to say Zimmer is the guy that Jones already trust. Working with Bill and a defensive minded Coach already………I see Payton getting a pay raise to be a full O coordinator and Zimmer getting the nod as head coach.

Big Bill goes up to the head office and continues his input from above on the draft and team needs………similar to what he did for the NY Jets. When Belichek was his appointed successor and ran off to the Pats and peed on the Jets and Parcells parade. Parcells has even said Zimmer reminds him of Belichek. If that is the case and he had already annointed Belichek in NY why not Zimmer in Dallas. Zimmer will be familiar with both the 3-4 and the 4-3………and with Big Bill giving his insight into the draft………

Bill Parcells has already proven he cannot walk away from the game. It is in his blood. He hated announcing even if he did become friends with Joe Gibbs and Mike Ditka………while he may well go to the track and bet on the ponys he will die with football in his veins………..and I would say pay him well and let him have input on our drafts.

Personally I think one of the reasons he ACED this draft and it was probably his best was the fact that he went to the Senior Bowl……he saw these kids up close. Another guy that did the same thing was John Gruden and his draft looks pretty good too. The previous year we make the playoffs and he don’t go down and check out the Senior Bowl

He pulls in Ratliff, Bierault, Petitti, Canty, Spears, Ware, Burnett and the running back Barber. So far all of em have been on the field along with FA Tyson Thompson except for Beirault who is on IR. Ware, Spears, Canty and Petitti are getting all kinds of playing time. Ratliff, Burnett, and Barber are significant contributors, and Thompson seems like a great prospect that is being coached up. Another draft or two like this one and we could handle a coach like Mike Holmgrem.

I don’t think Jerry Jones is worrying about the after Bill era yet…….cuz he knows that Bill Parcells ain’t going to retire til after TWO SUPER BOWLS………..that way he walks away with four and can shut up the Bill Belichek crowd!!! Cowboys continue and win more under Zimmer and he unlike Belichek gives Parcells and Jerry credit for the awesome talent on both sides of the ball!

Pete Carrol, Charlie Weis and Bob Stoopes would all be 3 guys I would put in front of Mike Holmgrem………hell Jimmy Johnson is younger than Holmgrem maybe they kiss and make up and Jimmy gets out of the booth with a bad ass Cowboys team……..or hech Iron Mike gets a transplant and helps Mrs. Ditka coach the Cowboys………..who cares……….Bill will sign on for another 3 or 4 years cuz he knows this is the last dance.

I think Holgram is a good coach, but to be discussing him as the next cowboys coach, the same week they play the seahawks is not what I would have in mind! Personally, I hope we make Holgram look so bad this weekend he contemplates retirement! ha! Now that is unlikely to happen, but when the cowboys come out & play another first ranked offense & hold them to nothin, I hope everyone will start to talk about how well rounded & complete this cowboys team is! This cowboys team will make the playoffs for sure & I would not be surprised if they end up 11-5 or 10-6 for the season. & YES, WE WILL WIN THE DIVISION, NO DOUBT IN MY MIND! But I guess I should just take this excitement of mine, one game at a time!

Jon,

Ouch!! Holgren would have had possibly a couple more rings if it hadn’t been for our very own Cowboys. Favre had a real hard time in Irving, and if the Pack had gotten past the Boys then they had a good shot at San Fran, both years.

I like Holgren, and Reid too (his disciple). They have that toughness that usually poors over onto their teams. .. I don’t know where Payton and Zimm fit in here either. I think Payton is a very good “offensive mind”, but can he motivate an entire team? .. Zimmer may be the guy, but you never know who will be available “that year” that Parcells calls it quits. Weis is an incredible offensive play caller, and seems to really know how to handle the media and his team down in South Bend. .. Like I said guessing who at this point is really silly, because who knows who will emerge or even be available. .. Hey don’t cut him short …. Parcells walks away with THREE more rings!! LOL!

Not the B.P. is leaving again crap!!!!Even ESPN
has stopped spouting that moronic tibit

Typical Dallas morning Snooze Mediot nonsense……lets
throw something at the wall and see what sticks……I could
be wrong I mean the retards at the DMN actually believed
Antonio Bryant is the next Jimmy Smith based on exactly
what nobody knows……funny they haven’t sent their intrepid
sports mediots back to Cleveland to see how A.B. faring
of late have they???
But thats the Snooze throw out anything to sell
papers or pump up their pathetic blog and never look
back.Guess its easier and cheaper than hiring reporters
who know what they are talking about……..somehow
those guys make Nickeatme seem intelligent…..i said
SEEM.
 

I know the DM Snooze can’t wait for B.P. to leave……the Cowboys
are 4-2 leave it to the retards at the Snooze to focus on something
as unrealistic as B.P. leaving.

I’m not a Holmgren fan and hope we don’t need to find out the answer to this question for quite some time. I agree with the earlier post about Holmgren, he’s won one SB and his teams often underachieve. He’s had above average talent in Seattle and very little to show for it.

I also don’t see the toughness from his teams that Eric mentions (Reid’s teams do seem to have it). If Zimmer is ultimately the choice, I hope he doesn’t end up like most of the other Dallas assistants that got promoted (e.g., Campo, Davis, Turner, Wanstadt etc).

Jon,

The pack would get stomped in Dallas on the regular. Not Holmgrens fault he got caught between the Team of the Decade – Dallas – and the team of the eighties – 49ers.

You know, I really believe that either Zimmer or Payton will take over for Parcells. I can see a little controversy arising because of our two young assistants, too. I can’t help but feel that with both performing well, it’s setting the stage for hard feelings when one gets the job over the other. The loss of either would be a great hit to the team with Parcells gone, but I think we could deal with the loss of Payton a little bit better than the loss of Zimmer.

And BTW, way off topic, but I watched the tape of the Cowboys-Giants game, and I noticed that A-Train was facemasked when we were backed up to the goal line, I think by Greisan. That is a huge missed call because it would have given us a third and five and an easier punt at best. Also, I have a question. Because McBriar’s punt was tipped at the line, does that make it a live ball that the Cowboys could have recovered?

sab my guess would be no, otherwise blocking a punt would be too risky, i guess it also depends on the line of scrimmage as a punt that crosses the line and is touched by an opposing player and remains live can be recovered by the kicking team.

“When you team Holmgren with a good personnel guy and a good defensive coordinator, heâ€â"¢s dangerous.”
Sounds like a great offensive coordinator, not a head coach.
The only thing Holmgren and Jones have in common is crippling a team through drafts for a 5 year stretch.

First, I hope BP stays for a long time (so please Jerry, don’t piss him off).

Secondly, this is how i see our coaching staff workin out:
Whoever said Zimmer for HC was right
Offensive coordinator goes to Payton, if we can keep him. If not it goes to Sparano, cause we NEED him. He’s a great motivator, so we need to keep him in whatever way we can.
Defensive coordinator will be Paul Pasqualoni (he’s the TE coach now, but he’s really a defensive/linebacker coach)

But first, I hope BP stays for a while longer, and picks himself up a couple more superbowls in the process.

Ken,

That’s what I figured, but then I thought that it is rare that it is blocked and still goes 40 yards so I wasn’t sure.

Holgren?…hahaha…forgetaboutit?….he aint fit to carry to carry Zimms’ phones who along with Payton are two of the very best cords in the league…besides I would instantly reject any NFL coach who wants moonlight as GM or ever did…I’d like to see some mean ass perfectionists like JJ and one that knows players nondimentional qualities like BP…miss a chipshot that costs the game and yer outa here!…Holgren never knew what to do with what he had and hopefully he’ll prove it again Sinday…btw…all this chatter about the SB is way premature…trust me I’m old…but it sure enough seems more promising than the past quite a few years eh?…pickin up a few SBs aint hardly as easy as it sounds

Yeah, I think that whole Holgren being a good coach thing is overblown. if anything he’s average…Look at the assistants he had with him at green bay…that’s where the talent was. Dallas doesn’t need another “old” timer if Parcells leaves. Dallas needs someone with energy and real talent. Someone like Gruden or Dungy even.
  I do, however think Holgren is a class act from what I know about him but in my opinion he’s what they call “washed up”.

Holmgren is a horrible coach, but a great offensive coordinator. He teams (Seattle and Green Bay) are mentally weak. Green Bay Should have won more SB, but didn’t. Given the Seahawks talent they should have won more games in the playoffs. Bu they tend to fade late in the seasons. No mental toughness.

If Parcells leaves ater next year we are doomed to fail again….Zimmer as Head coach? no, please no!…I like the idea of Parcells running the friont office with a head coach that can run a team…i just dont think Zimmer is the guy…Holmgreen sucks…

This all started because B Parcells said in his press conference and to the seattle media what a great coach they had, how much he respected him and what a good friend M Holmgrem is.

I also hope a better head coach than Holmgren can be found in the future.

Hi All;

I don’t mean to be jugdemental but right now I am listenning to “talkin cowboys” at dallascowboys.com, and even though i literally bleed cowboy blue, …..I want to puke….am I alone? Please let me know and I will see everyone in Seattle on Sunday…lets rip those sh*thawks a new one!!!!

How hard is it to spell Holmgren? Good lord!

The problem is not who replaces B.P. the problem
is how Jerry Jones reacts to B.P. retiring. If he
trys to coach the team like the post Jimmy era
we are in for another long haul…….

 I have seen no indication that B.P.
plans to leave or move into the front office.
Everything he has done has been for the long haul
longterm signing of Henson,plenty of cap room,FA
signings have been geared for the longterm not a
win now mentality.
As for B.P. moving to the front office what will happen
to jerry JR.???????

Jerry Jr. can bring him coffee (or maybe a cup of water during practice).

becker,

There is no room for Bill Parcells in the Cowboys front office.

Stephen Jones doesn’t do anything (right now) that Bill Parcells would be interested in — handle contracts and some operational matters. And Jerry Jr is basically in charge of the web site and the Desperados — which would also not interest Parcells.

However, there is that 800-pound gorilla who currently occupies the title of owner/general manager. I doubt that Jerry is going to give up either of those titles (before he turns the reins completely over to Stephen) or the authority that goes with them. Also, any new head coach would want significant input in personnel matters — an area which would interest Parcells. That would leave Parcells squeezed out between Jerry Jones and the new coach. Parcells would never agree to some figurehead title with no actual authority.

The best we could hope for is that Parcells would agree to some kind of consulting capacity. Jones has shown that he is willing to listen to consultants. I doubt if even that would last long, though.

We will just have to hope that Jones will hire a highly competent coach that he can trust and to whom he will listen. The coaches between Johnson and Parcells fell far short in the competency area and never earned Jones’ trust. If we are lucky, Jerry has learned his lesson about hiring from the bottom of his list of 500 coaches.

i think the main focus right now should not be on parcells, but on julius, for he and roy, and dru, work together terrificly to pull the team together, but if parcells .WERE to quit anytime soon, which i doubt i seriously do not beleive that Mike Holmgren would take over. i mean this is the dallas cowboys. we have a great team this year, and this is the best team since the ring of honor crew. i think jerry jones will follow his instincts when picking a new coach after parcells…..

good lord!…I misspelled Holmgren!…oh my I’m really humiliated…thanks for raising that point!

what’s a holmgren?…is that some kinda fish?

Off topic but this has been bugging me for a couple of years.
I always figured that as the cowboys got better players their
"stars"like Allen,Flo and Roy W. would look that much better
kinda hasn’t turned out that way.

yeah, I think it is a fish actually

other coaches that got caught…………by the Team of the Decade……..George Siefert…….he won one…….do yall want him? Holmgrem………got beat by Jason Garret and Alvin Harper on a Thanksgiving day in Dallas with Troy on the side.

When Jason Garret beats Brett Favre……..I say that might have a thing or two to do with coaching. To his credit it was Holmgrem’s pack that beat Bledsoe and Parcells New England team. But the Packers had a consistent and effective offensive line, big Gilbert Brown, and Reggie White……..a bunch of talented defensive backs…….a few good running backs………WRs like Sterling Sharp, Antonio Freeman……..and that pineapple TE.

They were a good team. Very competitive and arguable other than Denver the best homefiled advantage in football……..especially in the winter.

Yet only one Super Bowl . Holmgrem developed one hech of a staff up there……..Dick Jauron, Mariucci, Gruden, Andy Reid, Mike Sherman, but when he was GM he was a complete failure of talent. Compare that to Bill Parcells record at “buying the groceries” I don’t think it is a fair comparison. We complain about Antonio Bryant? What about Koren Robinson? Try a numero uno draft pick that cannot catch, and cannot keep the bottle out of his hand. Their best player has yet to be rewarded for his efforts and was shopped around the league this offseason. How would yall have felt if Emmit Smith was shopped after losing the rushing title by a yard?

I think Holgrem is better than a lot of coaches in the NFL, but I ain’t even sure that teacher is better than his students………..Gruden has a Super Bowl in Tampa and was a tuck rule away from it with the Raiders………Dick Jauron turned Chicago around and was an incredible defensive year for the Bears………..but they never had a QB, RB, or Wideout.

Bill will have a lot of input on who comes in at Dallas after the Parcells era is over. I don’t think Mike Holmgrem is on his short list. He is a Bill Walsh guy, and that ain’t Bill’s style. Jerry already has a shot on Siefert and passed. Bill is here for another 4 or 5 and then……..well then Bill rides off in the Sunset the way we all wished Tom Landry had had the chance too do!!!!

Kudos to Michael Irvin for giving thanks to Tom Landry and that coaching staff for making him a Dallas Cowboy……….along with Tui, Jeffcoat, and plenty of others. Don’t get me wrong Jimmy turned it around quick and was the wheeler and dealer that is common in the NFL now long before anybody else owners, coaches or GMs rolled the dice like Jimmy and Jerry…….but Tom Landry’s staff had a few key veterans that made the Super Bowl with Jimmy at the helm.

You guys I have touched on an interestng point that I have often wondered about. Who exactly does make the personnel decisions? Parcels seems to hold sway, but Jones must approve of move. Does that sound about right? Further, who makes up the draft board and who runs the free agents. This would probably be a mix of Stephen, Jerry and Bill having to sort of agree on the player. I am probably wrong, but I don’t see Jerry giving up his authority to anybody, not even BP. Anyone know who really calls the shots?

I don’t think BP shows up in Dallas without say in what players are on this team. How many players remain on this team that were here when BP first got here. Dat, Flo, Larry, Greg, and maybe Roy are about all the hold overs from before BP I can think of. IMO BP is the man behind who comes and who goes.

I doubt JJ is in a hurry to run BP off. He’ll get him who he wants as long as he sees results. Know this, it was JJ that wanted to take Canty with the first pick the 4th, and BP wanted Barber. They took Barber. However, JJ engineered the trade that got them the pick later in the 4th to take Canty. Jones said that he was all about being a team player, but that had they not got Canty he wasn’t going to be fun to live with. There appears to be alot of give and take from both men.

I also suggest that they selected Ireland together, in order to create a buffer between the two. JJ says there is alot of debate that goes into these picks, I wasn’t impressed until this year, but hell this years crop has shored up our defensive line for the next 5 to 6 years.

Thanks Cash, thats about how I pictured it. I just hope that JJ sees that giving some juice to BP has paid dividends. Perhaps the combination of the two is stronger than the either individual. Anyway this draft worked out great! Ireland? who he?

Silverblood,

I think that Ireland is the head scout.

Yes Ireland is head of the scouting department.

Holmgren falls into a long list of coaches who took Team A to a Super Bowl but couldn’t repeat with Team B. How many are there? A lot, including Mike Holmgren, George Seifert, Mike Ditka, Tom Flores, Vince Lombardi* and our beloved Jimmy Johnson.

Lombardi gets an asterisk cause he might have taken the Skins to a SB if he hadn’t gotten cancer. The other guys all tried with other teams and then quit.

The only ones to do it? Bill Parcells, Dick Vermeil and Don Shula. Vermiel took 20 years off between Super Bowls. And there’s Weeb Ewbank if you count pre-SB era games.

oh, and Sam Wyche couldn’t do it either.

oooo…nice point Len…oh, by the way…doesn’t dallas have a game coming soon…oh, yeh…come on!!! Let’s get crazy!!!!!

GOING TO THE GAME!!!!!!!!!!
Earlier posts talkin about Holmgren not taking advantage of the talent hes had … I AGREE. I see alot of press around here (next to Spokane WA where the Seaturds train (actually Cheney)) And the one word I find fits wel …SOFT!
The man has been given some ravenouse monsters over the years and after a year or two in Seattle they come away like Kittens…Frustrates my wife (Seaturd fan …. I LUV IT!) It just seems like the man does have a mental toughness, true, as far as the attitude of perserverence … BUT he seems to want to take a “kinder gentler” approach to FOOTBALL? Can’t do that … or you’ll have to get good at looking for QBs who manage to win games with mud all over the back of thier jerseys ….
I’m excited to go to the game, my second ever … this year it WILL count.
Hoping Thompson Plays and has a great day of it … I’m into the whole Cinderella Story thing … Seattle is SOFT against passes though so I think Bledsoe may get to have a showing during his home-coming as well (he’s from Wallawalla, WA) With Seahawks missing starters at WR I hope to see a few more Blitzes. and I can’t wait to hear good ole ROY lay one out on just somebody even from way up in the nose bleeds ( I’ll be wearin his jersey … and going with three seaturd fans … I know … I need better friends …) All I know that sombodys gonna have a long drive back from Seattle and I sure as hell hope it aint me ….

WIN THIS ONE AND WE"RE TIED FOR FIRST IN THE NFC BABY!!!!

Anone else gonna be there?? I’ll be eating early lunch at the Pyramid at 11:00 before game time…. lets have a cold one or three, and some eat some seachicken before the game !!! I’ll be in a white DC hball cap, #31 R.Williams jersey, and I’l be with three fellas who haven’t got a clue.
See y’all after the game!!!!!

darn soft bastards managed to beat us………..i hate dat.

also just cause a Coach takes a team to a Super Bowl don’t make him great.

Here are my three shining examples.

Exhibit one……….the worst coach to win a Super Bowl

1. Barry Switzer

2. Brian Billick

Exhibit two………the worst coach to take his team to the Super Bowl

1. Jim Fassil………another coordinator that gets the head coaching job by default………thought of as another offensive guru………goes to Baltimore to make Kyle Boller the next……uh………Kerry Collins? Why does Billick hire the coach he beat. My guess is both are out of jobs after this year. Billick had Randall Cunningham, Chris Carter, Brad Johnson, Randy Moss, and a pretty good o line and a great running back. Plays in an indoor stadium……..in a league at the time that only really had a good team in Green Bay……….so what if he piled up 400 yards………so did Norv Turner with Troy, Emmit, and Michael………..

Billick and Fassil might be in the unemployment line together.