What Could Dallas Get for Glover and Ellis?

I agree Raf, and I think, especially with Glover, we could end up with a FIRST rounder, if a few teams show serious interest.

Because of their age, i dont see teams giving up a first rounder for either. what are the cap impications of a trade? why not approach at least one or both to see who is receptive to re-working their contract to make it more cap-friendly? the fact that they were productive and support the d-line rotation should make us consider at least bringing one back under the right circumstances.
of course, if teams call waiving first round picks, all bets are off.

No way you’re going to get a first rounder for either Glover or Ellis, not even for both. They are both over thirty years of age, Ellis contract is much more appealing for a trade, although a team that trades for him would have to redue his deal, but the most you can expect for him is a third rounder. As for Glover, in my opinion with the roster bonus he’s due and the cap number we would have to eat if we trade him, I strongly think he will be cut in the spring. No team is going to trade for him and take his contract on at his age,even if you were to find some team to make the trade, you would only get a fourth or fifth rounder for him. Last year Abraham and Howard who were offered up for trade and are younger and bigger difference makers in a game than either Ellis or Glover, and no team was going to give up a first rounder for either one of those players including Dallas.The NFL is a young mans game now, teams really value their draft picks and are really unwilling to give them up especially early picks unless a bigtime prospect is there for the taking because of a teams needs at the time. Remember the Colts offered their starting runnning back E James for a second round pick and nobody bit on that, so no way, can you get a top pick for either Ellis or Glover, thats wishfull thinking.

Derrick,

The market for running backs can’t be compared to the market for d-linemen. Marshall Faulk was traded for a 2nd rounder. James, let’s not forget, has had two ACL surgeries, has lots of years as a featured back at a position that hits the wall and wanted a huge deal on top of that.

I still think they’ll get first day picks for both of them. The supply of d-linemen is just too small. Now, if they try to hold up somebody and demand a one, like New Orleans and Denver did last year, they’ll be told to suck eggs.

I’ll say it again. If you’re Denver, Kansas City, Tampa Bay or Detroit and the heat is on you to win NOW, do you keep your 2nd rounder or get a sure thing and go for it all in ’06?

It only takes one team to make this work.

i think Dallas my find it better to keep at least one of both. There are some pretty good young DEs coming out this year……you can still get a potential decent DE in the 2nd round. So you are giving up a vet and his pay for a potential younger same?

I think in the end the best value will be to let these guys finish up in Big D.

I still say keep Glover because Fergie is 30+ too and can’t play every down. I dont trust Pepper Johnson, and I dont see us getting a 300+ lineman in the draft, unless we could somehow get Gabe Watson. Also, we all know Ware can get to the QB. But who else? Canty is the only one I can think of, Spears, Fergunson, and Coleman are all more suited for double teams and stopping the run. Ratliff can, but will he stay healty and will he continue to blossom? Glover can still pressure the QB and with Ellis gone his role will be more important. PLUS, if hes one of our main pass rushers, and can get 7-10 sacks, his stock will be the same, even though he’s a year older IMO. IF we do trade him, I want at least an early 2nd for him.

As for Ellis, I agree that he will be traded. I think we can get an early 3rd for him. He’s better than people think.

I think that if Vanderjact is let go, like someone mentioned earlier, restructure LA’s contract and pay this guy big bucks. LA isnt worth the money he is getting right now, so we better restructure that deal.

Well, like I said on a previous threrad good luck getting anything for Glover-MAYBE a 3rd rounder for Ellis-but what about the other question-SHOULD we be trading Ellis? What, Parcells can bring in all these older guys from his old teams for “leadershiip” but then we’re going to ship out Ellis? His cap hit isn’t even that high for his production-he’s a steal for us. Besides, I thought it was rotation rotation rotation on the Line. I will be disappointed and it’ll be a stupid move if they let Ellis go-too many young guys on def. right now

off topic, butI’m home today..watching the Rose Bowl I had 2 thoughts: 1) Vince Young will never do a thing in the NFL, and most teams will see through the hype and pass on him-I think he’s a 2nd or 3rd rounder-but I HOPE someone drafts him early-it’ll be like moving up a spot. Good luck taking all you snaps from the shotgun in the pros, Vince. Please Lord don’t let Jerry Jones start thinking this guy is good
    2) Who’s that wide receiver on USC-Jarrett?? That’s the guy I want! Anyone know if he’s a senior, coming out as a Junior, slated to go too high for us? 6’ 5’’ and good hands it looked like

larry:
The problem is this, could Ellis be satissfied with another year of a part time player? Could he avoid the fact that uncomfortable players become distractions in the locker room? I think that drafting one of those DE/OLB tweeners, one that’s better in run support than Ware for the Strong Side, could be the option for the DE spot that’s now occupied by Ellis and we would still have the rotation-rotation that we all have learned now to love.

larry,

As I pointed out in another thread, it is not that Ellis costs us all that much for what he provides. It has to do with what Ellis will put up with. He still has several productive years in him, and he may not want to spend them as a part-time player.

We can afford Ellis, but we can’t afford to have him moping around the locker room wishing he were elsewhere.

larry,

Jarrett is a sophomore. He’s one of the few USC offensive players who won’t go pro this year.

Raf,

I agree with you, Dallas should be able to get two first day picks for them. Here are my top candidates to get them:

I think Denver would love to add 8-10 sacks with a player like Ellis, {or an inside presence like Glover, considering they start a player we cut (Michael Myers)}. Shanahan ain’t too shy about pulling the trigger either. They have two first rounders too, so giving up their 2nd for an established vet in a position of dire need for them wouldn’t be alarming. Their fans would probably support getting two top 30 prospects and a player like Ellis, so the pressure not to trade wouldn’t loom.

Atlanta would probably be my favorite to land Glover. The Falcons were horrible against the run this year, and Glover fits their style. The Falcons need to do something about stopping the run immediately, and I think Mora Jr. is in a win now position. Dallas should definately be able to get at least Atlanta’s 2nd round selection for Glover. Glover is a known comodity, one of the best DT in the league, and a hard worker. So would you give up a 2nd rounder for a Pro Bowl DT after a season that saw you allowing 128+ yards rushing per game? .. Hell yeah, especially if you think your team is good enough to compete for a championship, which Atlanta feels it is.

Eric R and Rafael:

At this point I think the Cowboys should get whatever they can for both of them. I hope both of you are right and first day picks are received for each player. It’s really going to come down to which teams are in a mood to deal this off-season. From what I have heard the uncertainty over the collective bargaining agreement may weigh on some GM’s minds and keep a lid on the trade market. I guess we’ll just have to see if BP can drum up some interest and if the wheeler dealer Jerry Jones can spin the wheel and close the deal on 2nd or 3rd rounders.

larry:

I think Vince Young will do a lot better than you are saying. Now that he’s declared no one will see him in another game situation until he steps into an NFL game, so I guess it will all come down to the combines and whatever workouts he does for teams. There are always a few players who rise or fall during the Senior Bowl and the various other showcase games, and who knows how Leinart will do in his workouts. My only guess is that a lot will change in the next 3 months, and it is still way too early to predict where VY will get drafted.

Also, I heard that the host of a radio show called Mike and the Maddog talked to Parcells and that BP called Vince Young a “Souped up version of Randall Cunningham”.

Does anyone know where we stand as to our cap status?
Thanks

I hope you guys are right about getting those good picks-if I’m wrong I’ll admit it-don’t see it happening though.too bad about that receiver being a sophomore-thanks
Cahndus-I think Ellis is the kind of stand-up pro who won’t make a fuss in the locker room. That is one of his strengths and maybe that lack of fire is a weakness too-I just know that the guy gets pressure on the big downs, when it counts, and we need a vet presence on D-Glover is expensive so let him go, but I still think we’ll pay a heavy price if we drop both of them. And Vince Young-the guy is YEARS away from being an NFL QB-USC’s defense is not that great, and he can’t just scramble for 15 yards in the NFL every time he gets in trouble. I’ve got no problem with his arm/motion, but besides what I just said, I didn’t see him take a snap from center, all shotgun-it will take years for this guy to learn NFL offenses and to read defenses-he’s a great athlete, but how many great college players have bombed, incl. heisman winners-Well, we’ll see, right? But let someone else take that gamble, please

larry,

I was the first person to say “find a spot for Ellis, he is too good to let go”, but its been an entire year and he just hasn’t fit into the 3-4 scheme. Now is the time to part ways. …. He has averaged around 8 sacks per year for past 4 seasons and still has some good years left in him. If you are a team like Denver, why not give up your 2nd rounder for Ellis? Add 8 sacks (Ellis) to the Broncos, with what they already have .. where are they? At least closer to Indy. .. Now if they use that selection, who there can make them closer to their goal of going to and winning the Super Bowl? No rookie taken late in the 2nd round will give them what Ellis gives them. Its a win win for both teams.

Glover was an undersized NT this year, but his reputation preceeds him. He has a constant motor, is a very hard worker, is the reigning NFL’s strongest man, a Pro Bowl caliber player, and gets sacks from the DT position. One year playing out of position shouldn’t hurt his stock too much. Cincinatti, Denver, Atalanta would welcome Glover and his salary with open arms. What is his trade value? I guess its how badly teams feel they need a solid DT. Atlanta, allowed 128+ yards per game rushing. Now if you are Jim Mora Jr. do you want to throw rookies in there to fill obvious wholes and start “rebuilding”? Michael Vick is fairly young, but they are a franchise a few years removed from the NFC Championship game, and probably don’t want to sell their fans out with a “rebuilding” stage. Cincinatti is another team that can also use immediate help there. The Lions reportedly offered Dallas their 1st rounder (the 11th selection overall) last season for Glover, so they are candidates too.

big:
Dallas will have near 5 million of cap space before the salary cap increment who should be near 95 millions, as we know the actual salary cap stands at 86, so that gives Dallas something close to 14 millions to sign to long term deals some of their players and FA’s of other teams.

Sterling,

Also, I heard that the host of a radio show called Mike and the Maddog talked to Parcells and that BP called Vince Young a “Souped up version of Randall Cunningham”.

That quote has been spreading around the internet since about a week ago. I have no idea what Bill Parcells’ thoughts are about Vince Young, but does anyone seriously believe that Parcells gave an exclusive interview to any media source (much less someone from Mike and the Maddog) about anything, at a time when he was being completely silent to avoid questions about his future?

Even if you disregard that specific timeframe, when Parcells was busy with staff and roster evaluations (in addition to his own future), when else was some joker on a radio show able to just call him up and ask him a question?

I know what that show said. I just don’t believe them.

Let me tap the brakes on the unload Ellis and Glover wagon. How much do we run the 4-2-5? What was the percentage it was run this year and what is BP’s ideal projection of its usage in the future? If this is going to be a staple of our future defense we need to keep both these guys. If we are going to the 3-4 exclusively we need to get what we can for them since they won’t fit the role and get the biggest bulldozer NT we can find to spell Fergie. I like both these guys from a leadership and player mentallity and am not eager to role the dice on unproven replacements. The Glover contract needs to be reworked and who has said he is not open to that?

Good points Sean, I also don’t see a NT that would fit here except the guy from Oregon who will go top 10. Gabe Watson fits in a 34 but I’ve read alot of bad reviews about this guy, thats hes hard to coach, spends alot of time on the ground, etc. I want to keep Glover around, I would like to see a 4 man line of Canty, Glover, Spears, Ware when we go 4-2-5.

As for Ellis, the guy does alot that goes unnoticed, like getting his hands up and batting down passes. He doesnt get enough credit for that. Hes a smart player, and I would like to see him stay but would understand if he left to play more somewhere else.

If Ellis goes, we have to start looking at DE help. If Canty gets hurt, or Spears again, who steps in? Ratliff? Thats alot of pressure, and three goes your rotation.

I think Vince Young fits in great with the Titans, he could be mentored by McNair, and they have a good reciever and TE over there. I think he will be a good one.

Sean,

By the end of the season Ellis’ roll was significantly reduced, and Glover was playing DE. So I think the ground work was being laid down. Furthermore, it was Ellis who spoke on his status and fueled the speculation that he won’t return following the Rams game. .. I agree with you, I would love to see a mamouth NT drafted, but the good ones are very rare.

I guess my point is that we shouldn’t dump what we’ve got unless we’ve got a plan to get significantly better at those areas.
I don’t know about you but I don’t take the tires off my car because they are worn until I know I can replace them.

Idealy, in my opinion, the draft would go something like this: With the 18th, OLB Ahmad Brooks. Trade Glover for eihter of Denvers first and draft ILB Kai Parham.

Both have played for Al Groh at UVA and therefore are very experienced in the 3-4 system. The odds that we get a 1st for Glover is not very good. But we could get an early 2nd rounder and Parhamwould likely still be there.

An added bonus in adding these 2 guys is that they played 3 years with Canty and they have been good friends since they graduated so chemistry on the field should not be a problem. A LB corps of Ware-Parham-James-Brooks, would be one of the youngest and most feare LBing crew in the NFL.

Raf,

Your smoking crack if you think Ellis would fetch more on the market than Howard. We were willing to give up a 2nd rounder last year, AT LEAST, to get Howard ourselves. And that was with Ellis already on the team.

i read yesterday drew henson wanted more playing time, and very lil hints of trading him. what do you guys think of billy volek from tenessee. dont know his age but hes a good back up, dont know if hes starter material.

Matt,

It sounds good to me. Though not too realistic, Id like to trade Glover or Ellis for a 2nd, get Marcus McNeil at 18, take our 2nd and 3rd to move up and get Bobby Carpenter (or Ahmad Brooks, I havent seen him play) and then with the 2nd we get in the trade take a ILB. Is the ILB from VA a def 1st rounder, or could he fall to the 2nd?

Cash,

Nice straw man you’re setting up there. Where did I ever argue that Ellis would bring more than Howard? I used Howard as a measuring stick and rated Ellis roughly one round lower, even thought Howard has had neck problems.

He probably will fall to the 2nd round however with so many teams needing a big run-stuffing ILB, who is taylor made for a 3-4 I could see him go quite high. His nickname is “The Hammer” which tells you that he definatly hits hard. He had been overshadowed by Brooks’ production but this year with Brooks injured he stepped up and looks like a real solid pro prospect, I would not hesitate to pull the trigger on a guy like him.
As for McNeil, I would rather sign a FA.

Glad to see people who realize the value Glover and esp. Ellis bring to this team
    Eric R-Right when they reduced Ellis’ playing time our Def. went downhill-which came first?? Where do you see this “He doesn’t fit the 3-4?” That’s been BS since training camp-he fit in fine! This is a problem of BP’s stubbornness getting iin the way of what’s best for the team-and I’ll repeat, why did BP feel OK bringing in a bunch of other over-the-hill players who had a lot less talent than Greg Ellis? He plays the Favorites game too much………

One more, Cash,

Right now, Ellis should fetch just as much as Howard, if not more:

— Ellis, 30 yrs old, 38.5 sacks the last five years;
— Howard, 29 years old, 33.5 sacks the last five years.

— Ellis has a cap number of around $3.5 to $4.0 million for ’06;
— Howard was a franchise player, got $7.8 million last year and wanted a contract averaging over $6 million per when Dallas was flirting with him last year;

— Ellis broke his leg badly in ‘99 and had his worst year in ’00 playing with a broken screw in his leg. But he played the whole year. He’s missed one game the last five years.
— Howard has missed 15 games the last three years and missed half the ’03 season with a neck injury. He missed four games this year with a bum knee.

Sure, Cash, Howard is so much better than Ellis.

Is it just me or does Herm Edwards seem a bit unstable at times?

Matt:

I have heard Ahmad Brooks compared to Ray Lewis. I haven’t seen him or Parham play, but they both sound pretty solid. I guess we’ll have to wait for the showcase bowls and combines and see who emerges at #18.

I am wondering why UVA’s defense was near the bottom of the ACC with two potential 1st round LB’s on it…that’s kind of weird. The rest of the defense must not have been very good. It would be nice to have 2 more LB’s who are already familiar with the 3-4 though.

Hey, I was wonsering of anyone had thought about a player for player deal? I know it isn’t done much at all anymore, but this would be a perfect situation for something like that. If we could find a team that was willing to deal an older, not old, OT, LB or FS, or maybe even a guy like Volek at QB, I think that may be our best deal. There is a chance we could get a late first, though it is very slim, but I really think the best we could do in the draft is somewhere in the 2nd. I’d really like to be more selfish than that, especially with the way we’ve picked linemen in the draft.

And whoever mentioned Volek, at least give credit to the idea where you heard it. Galloway talked about it on the radio for a bit this afternoon. Honestly, I like the idea if they ever come down from asking for the moon. Wasn’t the last team that asked about Volek told that it would take something like 2 firsts?

If the Cowboys could broker, La’Roi Glover, Greg Ellis, and Larry Allen for two first day, and one second day picks, that would give dallas, now… five Day One picks and four Day Two picks! This could allow the Cowboys the luxury of a very good nose tackle, offensive tackle, linebacker, free safety, AND a good offensive guard….plug this into what can be accomplished during free agency, with a better cap space for dealing, and the Cowboys are back on the road for this season….

Raf,I just don’t get it,

if Ellis is such a tough and consistent talent, why are we getting rid of him? His contract isn’t that high for a rotation guy and his bonus is pretty small.

can someone rewind a bit and tell me what the rationale is behind getting rid of this guy?

He’s unhappy?

Glover I understand. The experiment of him at end didn’t work and he is playing out of position at NT.
Ellis as a 3/4 End and 4/2/5 DE works doesn’t it?

Alan,

I think most people like having Ellis here. He is a very solid guy and is effective in the 4/2/5 which we play about 40% of the time. But it is Ellis who said that his time here is done. So I think most people are going by his comments, not from our desire of what would be best in theory.

Pretty much the same can be said for Glover. I’m actually wondering why we think we can get rid of him. Who is the backup NT? Pepper? He seems much better suited as a nickle passrush DT. Same with Ratliff. Glover may not have mass, but he sure has strength. Not to mention character. He can play the NT. I know that I would much rather play against Fergy and Pepper/Ratliff than Fergy and Glover. The latter combo could not have been fun for opposing centers. But anyway.

Volek is an interesting guy. He is a 30 year old career backup who has had some success in limited playing time. I can certainly see him being available if Tennessee drafts Young. I’m just not sure that we would pay the same price that some other teams would pay. With those others likely wanting him to be their starter. Personally, I’d rather have Glover/Ellis, assuming that either would fetch Volek (unlikely). I’m not giving up on Romo and Henson just yet.

I think if Glover and Ellis accept a
reduced role with the Cowboys they aren’t leaving.Sort of like the situation with Wiley a year ago.As Bill said on the other thread it’s up to them. I don’t see anything higher than a 3-4th rounder for either guy.Not because they aren’t worth it but with coaches having 1-2 years to turn around a team draft picks are at a premium.A player deal looks much more likley ….I’ll take your headache you take mine kinda thing…

The one guy that had a really good
year was Fergy didn’t see a whole lot
of yards up the middle.

alantdot-good point-you stole my post-exactly, if his cap hit is so low, why get rid of him? I’m not tryng to predict, by the way, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see BP do this. But it would be a bad move is what many of us are saying. And Ellis said a lot of this stuff last year too remember? He’ll always play hard.
    How about if we do nothing on def. except add a few linebackers? Give our units some years to play together? And focus on the OLine, fullback, backup TE (I think ours gets paid way too much for "locker room leadership, give me a FB) WR……

I think the first focus this off season needs to be KICKER.
We need to target any one of the top 5 FA kickers in the league and spend the money to get one into Dallas.
There is no reason to suspect that games wont be just as close next year as they were this year, and a solid field goal kicker will likely win us a couple games next year. Consider the outcome of the first DC game, the Seahawks game, and the T-giving game this year if we had a reliable kicker. That has got to be the first priority for a FA signing.

altercall & Ridgelake:

Why would we trade an DL of the quality of Ellis or Glover for a journeyman QB? That makes no sense whatsoever to me. Unless someone offers a high quality OT or LB (neither of which are likely) for one of those guys, a first day draft pick is the only other compensation that is worth it. Otherwise we might as well hang onto them.

jarhead:

After the kicking problems and close losses this team suffered last season I will go out on a limb and GUARANTEE that Parcells will place a very high priority on locking up a top notch CONSISTENT field goal kicker. It may not happen before training camp, but it will definitely happen this year. I think BP learned his lesson last season. Keep in mind, if it weren’t for a kicker missing a field goal wide right he would have one less Super Bowl title.

They’re low-cost, why get rid of them? Easy. I’ll start with 2 reasons.

First, you never wait until a player is either over-the-hill or too expensive before you try to move them. You’ll end up having to cut them, not trade them. Trade them while the market is hot.

Second, we desperately need to get younger on offense. We won’t go anywhere next year, if we can’t assert ourselves in the running game and protect a very immobile quarterback.

We need to overhaul our offense this year like we overhauled our defense last year. The problem now is that we don’t have as much room under the cap, and we don’t have 2 first round picks.

IMO, we must move Ellis and Glover. We have little choice. Our O-line must be rebuilt or else we will be 9-7 again next year.

madcowboy:

Yes, we must move them, but ONLY for the right price.

I would like to see JJ and BP target the Broncos to trade with. The Broncos have two first round draft picks this year (albeit both toward the bottom of the round), they are $31 million over the salary cap for 2006, and Shanahan is well known as a terrible GM. He is famous for reaching in drafts and for making highly questionable personnel moves. If the Broncos lose at home to the Pats this weekend or even at Indy, and it is determined that it was because of a lack of defense, then he will be ripe for the plucking.

I don’t see how they can possibly sign TWO 1st round draft picks, which almost always require big signing bonuses and deal with being $31 million over the cap with the existing roster. More than likely they are going to have to move either Anderson or Bell at RB, as they seem to trade a RB every year anyway. If they can’t trade one of those guys for the defensive help they need (I doubt they will find many takers) they will likely have to accept a 2nd rounder for one of them, as the market for running backs is currently a buyer’s market. If they have two 2nd round picks and cap trouble, I could definitely see them parting with one of their two 1st rounders for either Ellis or Glover. Maybe we could deal both of them to them for one of their 1st rounders and one of their 2nd rounders if they get another 2nd by trading one of the RB’s.

Everyone root for Denver to lose, and lose on defense!!

To elaborate on what Altercall said:

Does anyone think Atlanta, who as Raf said needs DT help, might be willing to go player for player and give us Matt Shaub for Glover? Shaub is young, and promising, but will never get a serious look with the mammoth contract Vick has. He faces the prospect of being a career backup in Atlanta, but he would only be a backup here for the short-term.

Too much focus on the D side of the ball here. Does any one else think that going three straight years without losing the starting QB for more than one half is not going to continue. It doesn’t how monsterous the defense is if the O-line keeps sucking eggs the way it has. We need a good O-line coach and some young talent (read draft) on the line. The Ravens of 2000 and Bears of ’85 defenses would have strung this offense up.

steelyeyedmissle,

Part of the problem is that o-line prospects are really hard to read, especially right now. I’ve looked at three mocks and their biggest disagreements come at o-line. And traditionally, the draft books have missed the most on that position, which is wierd, cause I’ve heard scouts say that it’s the easiest position to grade.

Apparently that’s not the case for the semi-pros like Kiper and his ilk.

We know they need some 0-linemen, but no name is firm. I’ll give you an example. Kiper has a RT from Cal named Ryan O’Callahan in his top 25. The other draft lists I read have him as a third rounder. Go figure.

Another problem with drafting O-line is the time it takes them to have an impact. They generally take a couple years to develop which would be too long for BP. How many times can you draft a Larry Allen or Munuz compared to Mandarich and Rogers? I don’t see us addressing the need for OT or Center thru the draft. We could draft for depth but if AJ, AG, TT and RP can be back-ups I would be pretty happy. We have to improve the starting line-up.

Points all well taken. However, if you miss on a draft pick you miss on a draft. If you miss on a FA you miss and have cap problems to boot. Which is worse, Mandarich or Rivera? Don’t spend a first rounder on an gamble position, but spend some mid to late rounders. Either way, we need to spend some resources on the line or nothing else will matter.

I’d rather have a vet on the line who has gone up against a lot of NFL defensive linemen already and won’t get tossed around like a ragdoll..or a Tucker…or a Pettiti. Remember that for every Rivera there is a Wahle, but there are a lot more Tony Mandarich’s than there are Anthony Munoz. I’d rather take my chances with a cap hit and continue building up this young defense or get a playmaker through the draft. ANY free agent right tackle they sign this year will be a dramatic improvement over Pettiti and Tucker, just as Rivera was a huge improvement over Ben Noll, Matt Lehr, and Andrea Gurode, even if he didn’t play up to his salary.

Sterling-Was that a typo or did you mean to change Gurode’s gender? LOL I wouldn’t tell him to his face that he plays with a skirt on but you might I guess.

Sean:

Hahaha!! Yes, that was a typo. I noticed it right after I posted but nothing I could do. I wouldn’t tell him that to his face either, however a lot of his play with the Cowboys seems to fit that name. I still hold out hope that the lightbulb will go on at some point for him.