Payton Walkin' to New Orleans?

Sean Payton has been running to coaching opening after opening for the past two years…he deserves to land the New Orleans job.

Realisticly, they both, Payton and Zimmer, probably are best served by sticking out another year with Dallas, driving the team to a very strong playoff push, and then, in the next round of coaching changes, have some real market value…

The Cowboys are probably better off in the process…

Interesting that Norv Turner landed in SF to be the 49ers OC. That seems like a good fit for him and he might be able to use it as a launching pad for another chance as an HC. Kind of reminds me of Mike Shanahan getting fired Raiders HC and then becoming the 49ers OC for awhile and then getting another HC shot when the Broncos hired him. He didn’t have quite the same bad track record as Norv did with the Redskins and the Raiders, but it was a similar situation in that when the Raiders fired him everyone thought Shanahan was a great OC who might not have what it took to be a great HC. Maybe Norv will get one last chance at some point in the future.

This is also ironic because the current 49ers HC was Norv’s DC when he was HC of the Redskins.

I actually thought Norv did a pretty good job with Washington. Westbrook and Shuler turned out to be bust, any coach would have struggled. When he was fired the record got a lot worse. They were not all that talented and he was winning some ballgames with em……..he has now had the experience of working for two of the worst meddling owners in the NFL Al Davis and Dan Snyder.

Jon, I agree, he didn’t have much to work with in Washington and did about as well as anybody could have. Coming in after Gibbs retired probably wasn’t very good timing either. Last season I think the expectation were set too high for the Raiders. People act like Randy Moss is supposed to be a one man team or something. I am pretty sure he’ll get another chance at being a head coach at some point down the road.

Payton has shown me nothing. When he was with the Giants he got the play calling duties taken away from him. When Jim Fassel took over, the giants offense took off. Not to mention that he has done nothing while in Dallas that has made me think he is worthy of a head coaching job. Am i missing something here?

Dallas2076,

You caught the backhalf of the Giants story. Payton took over for Fassell when his play calling got stale and their offense took off. A year — a year and a half? — later, Payton got into a rut and Fassell bailed him out.

You don’t think Payton got the most out of Quincy Carter in ’03? That team went 10-6 with him at the controls. That should count for something.

payton didnt do a bad job here at all. we were in position to win 6 of our 7 loses thats not a bad thing also with some help from our defense as well. the players have to execute. plus wasnt our offense ranked like 14th in the league, which is in the upper half not great but not bad either.

I wish Payton the best, but I kind of hope he doesn’t get the Saints job. I agree with CCBoy that he would benefit from another year as Cowboys OC. I think the Boys would benefit as well. The Offense wasn’t stellar this year, but the first half was decent despite the O-line troubles (which were there before Flo went down, despite some fan’s bad memories).

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CCBoy,

The only problem with that is that next year I don’t think there will be more than maybe 2 or 3 vacancies. We’ve had 10 this year!!! That’s insane. There aren’t too many coaches on the hot seat right now. It seems to me htat they are doing the best things for themselves. If they don’t get something this year, it might be 2 or more years till they get a real shot.

I believe that Payton’s departure would be best for all parties involved.

He is one of the top candidates out there. He’s a very aggressive WC proponent and wants to “mold” an offense capable of running that type of offense.

However, it is diametrically opposed to what BP likes. Thus the tug-of-war clearly demonstrated by the lack of a cohesive implementation and questionable rhythm.

The key with the West Coast has always been to develop a pattern of attack; to systematically discern the weakness of a defense and then attack it. Yet the set-up is so unpredictable because it’s meant to set the stage, rather than play the situation.

Look at SF under Walsh, Denver with Shanahan, and GB under Holmgren of well run WCOs. Given the talent, these systems work. But it depends on a great QB & WRs to execute to perfection. Montana, Favre, Young. Average QBs won’t produce…Garcia, et al.

This offense is created (has the talent minus an OL) for smashmouth, ball control football. A new QB/Offensive asst. with BP calling the plays would produce a much more consistent offense and Payton would get his deserved chance to try it his way.

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Fighter 15,

If Parcells and Payton are so incompatible, why has Payton gotten more responsibility every year? I don’t see that one. They may disagree on play calls here and there, but since when did arguing with Parcells mean discord? He and Phil Simms went at it on the sidelines all the time. He almost body slammed Todd Haley on the sidelines this year and Haley may well succeed Payton.

The new OC will use the same passing plays Payton installed, unless Al Saunders somehow is hired, which would be REAL interesting.

I didn’t say they were incompatible, just that there was a fundamental difference in approach that has been a source of contention. In the end, Bill wins, but Payton certainly has his trust and confidence.

My theorum was the different approaches was a contributor to the inconsistent and (seemingly) uncoordinated game plan that showed no rhythm.

I think you could make a case that the lack of protection and poor run blocking made any semblance of a game plan moot.

My conclusion is that BP calling the plays and running the offense will produce a more consistent offensive game plan…that will go to hell in a handbasket if execution fails.

payton is gone. Well we have an opening for an offensive coordinator, I wonder who Bill and jerry are looking at to run the offense.

Derrick:

Parcells runs the offense, he still will…without Payton.

Let’s add a name to the Offensive Coordinator job, Paul Alexander, currently H.C. Assistant and OLine coach in Cincinnati. He’s responsible of the OLine Cincy has had in the last few years.