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The Cowboys' Big Decision

Fellow blog regular lou c. follows Eric R.'s piece with a review of the guard positions and first-day OL draft targets. Take it away, lou c.:

With all of the discussions about possible draft targets of the Boys, and free agent RTâ€â"¢s and Câ€â"¢s, I think that they biggest decision that will dictate what the Cowboys do this offseason starts with Larry Allen. I would love to see Larry Allen stay, but he only stays with a pay cut. If we want to discuss guys like LeCharles Bentley, Allen would have to take a big pay cut. If he doesnâ€â"¢t take the cut, and is released, it changes our draft board a little and puts more emphasis on Bentley. With LA gone, I say Jerry Jones goes real hard for Bentley and I put it at 60% that we sign him (Cleveland has a lot of money, a new QB, and thatâ€â"¢s his hometown, so I see them as the main competitors). It also makes finding a veteran RT more important. Hereâ€â"¢s a look at some of the draft options:

G Max Jean-Gilles
- The best guard in the draft, he is the biggest guard in the draft. He is 6â€â"¢3” and a half, and weighed in at 355 lbs at the combine. His feet look good, and heâ€â"¢s strong. He is more athletic than you think for a 355 lb. player. His problem seems to be his weight. If he keeps his weight in check, and Bill Parcells would make sure he would, he could be a dominant LG in the NFL. However, I give him the least chance of lasting until pick 49.

G Charles Spencer
- Another big guard, he is listed at 6â€â"¢4” and a half, 352 lbs. He is really strong, and put up 30 reps at 225 lbs, good for 3rd most among offensive lineman. He is real good athlete, and has quick feet. His technique is raw, and I donâ€â"¢t know if he would be ready to play in 2006. What I like about him is his versatility and that he is a team leader. He played defensive tackle his first 2 years, so he has agility and is really strong. I think he has a good chance at being there at 49, and I could see the Cowboys taking him.

G Davin Joseph
- The best athlete of the offensive lineman, he ran a 5.09, and was the best jumper of the OL at the combine. He has really, really long arms which help him. He is a little undersized at 6â€â"¢2”, 311 lbs. I think he may project to RG, and could give Marco Rivera a run for his money for the starting job. He also has had some time at tackle, although he is a better guard. I think he will rise up draft boards, but should be there at 49 when the Cowboys pick.

Honorable Mentions: Deuce Lutui, Jason Spitz

Any of those 3 guards would really give Stephen Peterman a run for his money, and I think one of the 2 would be able to get the job done at left guard. I think Jean Gilles could start right away over Peterman, with Spencer and Joseph taking over mid season maybe, depending on what Peterman shows.

As the right tackle position goes, I like Jason Fabini and Tom Ashworth a lot. Fabini is older and was injured last year, but has a lot of experience and is an ex-Parcells player. While most think we will sign a veteran RT after last seasonâ€â"¢s debacle, we still have to look into RTâ€â"¢s in the draft. Petiti could pan out, but I didnâ€â"¢t like what I saw last year. Hereâ€â"¢s my quick synopsis from the guys I think the Cowboys should be interested in:

T Winston Justice
- He could fall to 18, and the Cowboys would probably have to draft him. He is the 2nd best tackle in the draft, and has good size at more than 6â€â"¢6, 319 lbs. He had a great 2005 season after not playing in 2004. Now a USC tackle may scare some Cowboy fans, but I think Justice is the real deal and would be ready to start in 2006. He is the best offensive lineman not named Dâ€â"¢Brickashaw Fergunson, and is both great at run blocking and pass blocking. He is still pretty raw, and has some character issues, but I think Parcells would love to see him fall to 18.

T Jon Scott
- My favorite tackle that the Cowboys have a realistic shot at, he could play either LT or RT in the NFL. Like every tackle I listed, he comes from a real good college program. He has real good size and is a good athlete with long arms. He moves well for a guy his size. Has a lot of experience playing in Texas. I think he could start right away at RT, and could move to LT later on. He needs to hit the weight room, but again I think Parcells will fix that. I think he will soar up draft boards and go in the late 1st round, but if he lasted until 49 the Cowboys would take him in a heartbeat.

T Eric Winston
- Winston was highly rated before an ACL injury in 2004. Scouts said he was never fully recovered from the injury, and wasnâ€â"¢t the same afterwards. After watching him at the combine, I think he is healed. He struggles a little bit in the passing game, and has some trouble with speed rushers. He is a better run blocker IMO. He has good size for a RT, and has good feet. He was a former TE, and was the fastest lineman at the combine running a 4.88. Injuries could drop him to the mid second round where the Cowboys pick.

T Marcus McNeil
- If your looking for a RT with size and great athletic ability, thereâ€â"¢s no better than McNeil. He is quite simply huge. He has long arms and is somehow very quick for his size. He is solid at run blocking and pass blocking, and has good feet. He is a better RT than LT IMO. Because of his size, he tends to play too uptight I think, and that could cause problems. However, his size still makes it real hard to get around him. The major question is his back. He will be medically tested as much as any player at the combine. A back injury always scares off teams when it comes to offensive tackles. He could drop because of it into the mid second round. The Cowboys spent a lot of time with him at the Sr. Bowl, and he is real possibility in the 2nd round, not 1st I think. I wouldnâ€â"¢t be surprised if McNeil becomes a dominant Pro Bowl tackle.

Honorable Mention: Daryn Colledge, Andrew Whitworth

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In the draft at Guard I really like Charles Spencer, he shows me some Larry Allen in him, he could be a real steal in the second. As for Tackle Justice is the only guy I would think of drafting on day 1. We have other needs, Tackle can be addressed in Free agency, but to pass on a talent like Justice, even if it ment not having Carpenter, would be stupid.
To me the draft should look like this:
1:Justice/Carpenter
2:Spencer/Fasano
3:Stovall/Nance

by Matt on Feb 25, 2006 4:09 PM CST reply actions  

Gilles really impresses me as a guard- the closest thing to LA that I have seen. He is really athletic for his size- watched him do the drills today and was astonished by the mobility of a guy weighing 355 lbs. I think he needs to lose about 15. If he did that he could be a dominating guard.

by burmafrd on Feb 25, 2006 4:30 PM CST reply actions  

Matt,

Spencer is getting A LOT of attention. I saw the Patriots absolutely love the guy. I don’t know if they would take him in the first round, but if Dallas likes him and he’s around at 49 they should consider him lucky and take him.

On the Scott front, there are also A LOT of teams in the very late 1st and early 2nd that like the guy. He won’t make it past 40 IMHO, cause to may teams between 25 and 40 or so have him on their radar.

by Rafael Vela on Feb 25, 2006 4:31 PM CST reply actions  

lou c,

Nice job.

I think Spencer is the most likely option after we pick up a veteran OT in free agency. He is now being listed as an OT on some draft sites. If he can play T it will surely make his value rise on Parcells’ board. Spencer as you said was a DT in his first 2 years at Pitt. For him to take on a new position and impress scouts as much as he did at the Senior Bowl, tells us a lot about his learning curve. It wouldn’t be much of a stretch to say he could play 4 positions at the NFL level. When I saw his one on one rush drills against the best college seniors, he impressed me. His footwork was good and created space with his hands. He looked like a OT. If he has good recognition, I believe he can be one of those rare “NFL ready” 2nd rounders. Let’s hope he is there when its our turn.

by Eric R on Feb 25, 2006 4:40 PM CST reply actions  

great write up.
here"s boylharts profile on Spencer,
Strengths
Charles is a big, strong kid that has very good athleticism for his position. He does an excellent job of hand fighting and is good at keeping his balance and not overextending himself when run blocking. Charles improved every time I saw him play and seems to be a very coachable player. He is becoming more consistent as he is challenged and at this stage, does not seem to have reached his athletic peak. Charles has also been able to handle with ease the mental requirements of an O-lineman and shows some future leadership qualities.

 
Needs to Improve
Charles has not gone up against quality players that have pressured him beyond his abilities. To his credit, so far he has handled every challenge put in front of him and his Senior Bowl workouts have been a big help to him.

 
Bottom Line
There is no doubt about this kid’s talent and character, but I just have to ask – who changed this kid over from a DT to the offensive line? Iâ€â"¢m not saying it was a big mistake, but I am saying that if Charles had stayed as a DT and had improved the way that he’s improved as an O-lineman, then he would have been a top ten pick in this draft. So why was he changed over? I watched Charles play in a game in the 2002 season as a DT and he just sent chills up and down my spine. He was dominating and handled his assignment with ease. He was up against Boston College and he kicked those guards around like a woman kicks her drunken husband out of the house and to the curb. I have no clue why anyone would ask this kid to go to the other side of the ball after they had seen that display of dominance. As we get closer to the draft, Charles just might squeeze himself into the first round. For me personally, I would work him out as a DT at the combine to see if he can still be effective. Guards are always all over the place but a DT/NG with the potential that I saw in him are not! If this kid can play like he did in 2002, then someone made a big mistake and cost this kid a lot of money in the bargain. Charles has a future as a left guard and might in the future be able to play LT or RT. However, if he can play DT/NG, he can write his own ticket in the NFL.

 also the sleeper on the O-line this year seems to be Rob Sims from ohio state do you have any combine info on him. He might be the logan mankins this year taken at then end of round 1. I saw a clip of him lifting 225 and he did more than the guys before him but of course the NFL channel broke for another commercial break.

by TM on Feb 25, 2006 4:47 PM CST reply actions  

If we can’t get LA to restructure his contract, what is he worth in trade. I mean he is old and expensive, but the guy is a powerhouse, and as of late becoming more of a vocal leader.

by mike208 on Feb 25, 2006 6:00 PM CST reply actions  

Ok guys Im kinda new here so dont kill me for this about how about this for an o-line scenario. First and obviously Flozel comes back and soldifies the left side again. Second get Peterman in there and see if he can play, Im not saying cut LA but redo his contract in a major way and keep him around to share time with Peterman till we find out about this kid. Next I think signing Bently has to be a priority as our centers stunk last year and I see why Tuna made the comment about being held hostage at that position. Next move Gurode over to the right side to replace Rivera and redo his contract to keep him around to split time with Gurode just in case. Lastly I say bring Rodgers back to compete with petiti for the start on the left side and let the better man have it loser is backup. I am very leary about bringing in another 30 plus lineman to an already old group. If this would work and yes I realize that is alot of ifs our first two picks could finish up the d(olb,fs) the rest goes to best available or biggest need. This way the team gets substantially younger and next year we go after our future wide outs, the verdict is either in or out on henson if out we go after our next qb. Just some thoughts and thanks for a great informative site.

by dave in pa on Feb 25, 2006 6:45 PM CST reply actions  

sorry meant Rodgers and petiti on right side

by dave in pa on Feb 25, 2006 6:46 PM CST reply actions  

If we weren’t going to sign a veteran RT I’m drafting Jonathon Scott at 18. Hes better right now than Rodgers and Petitti and will be better than both in the future. Everyone just assumes that Petiti will develop into a good RT but I’m not sold on him. I dont see him as anything more than a backup.

by lou c on Feb 25, 2006 7:13 PM CST reply actions  

Dat retired Friay, February 24, 2006.

by drill on Feb 25, 2006 7:18 PM CST reply actions  

Willie McGinest of the patriots might be available

by drill on Feb 25, 2006 7:20 PM CST reply actions  

Offensive players take longer to mature into quality players. Defensive players are often good right out of the gate. I draft defense and bring in offense thru free agency.
Draft- Bobby Carpenter, Daniel Bullocks
FA-Jason Fabini, Jared Sowell, Ryan Longwell, Eric Moulds
I also love Make Kameaoto as a DT.

by biotrek on Feb 25, 2006 7:28 PM CST reply actions  

Dave:
It’s certainly a possibility that Bill goes with what he has, but… What would happen if Rogers flames out again? Petitti is left alone, again. What if, God forbides, Adams goes down again?

Parcells, his staff and all of us along the way, went through that this past season and there’s no way in which he’s going to be caught with his pants down again.

lou c:
Good writing, I’m also wishing that we do land Spencer, he seems to have all the edge to become quite a dominant specimen inside.

I envision that a veteran will be signed this offseason to play RT and if Rogers, Petitti, Columbo and Tucker don’t show any improvement throughout the season, then look for a Tackle being drafted next year, that crop seems to be quite spectacular (Levi Brown, Doug Free, Joe Thomas, Mike Otto and company).

by Chandus on Feb 25, 2006 7:31 PM CST reply actions  

Dave,

I’m with you on signing Bentely. He makes our line better and younger right away. He plays center, but because he can also play guard, he gives us more depth if we need it. He should be ideal for a QB, like Blesdsoe, who needs to stay in the pocket and take a big step forward.

As for trusting rogers and petiti to fight it out for the RT spot, no way. I like your optimism, but if we learned one thing last season, we learned Petiti is not yet ready for prime time. Moreover, he now has far more experience than rogers, and at this time last year, rogers had only a very slight edge over Petitite. From everything we’ve seen, neither can be trusted to do the job this season.

Give me Fabini and Bentely. We can win with those two.

by madcowboy on Feb 25, 2006 7:48 PM CST reply actions  

Could MB3 play FB? He seems like a Richie Anderson type player. Hard nosed, versatile, good blocker. he and JJ on the field at the same time could be a lethal combo.

by Matt on Feb 25, 2006 7:59 PM CST reply actions  

hes too small…plus…un;ess we want a BIG upgrade…polite is a good fullback..

by IRON MAN on Feb 25, 2006 8:18 PM CST reply actions  

Iron man:
Polite isn’t a good FB, average to bellow average might be a more accurate description, after seeing film in every game in which he participated and more than once he made a mistake, be it with his hands of stone (missing a catch) or just by getting past the guy he was supposed to block in the first place.

And do I need to mention that he’s a liability carrying the ball?

by Chandus on Feb 25, 2006 8:37 PM CST reply actions  

You know Polite has problems when his biggest strength is purportedly blocking, but yet, when we get on the goal line, we take him out in order to put our DE into the game (marcus spears).

by madcowboy on Feb 25, 2006 9:19 PM CST reply actions  

Scout.com is reporting that there has been significant progress in reaching a new CBA. An anonymous NFL insider said that there is a very strong possibility of reaching a new CBA.

The article predicts the cap will be 95M.

by madcowboy on Feb 25, 2006 10:15 PM CST reply actions  

It is thought that the Bills will release Troy Vincent who played Safety and had 4 interceptions last year. He is aging but still playing extrenely well at Safety. What do you think? Is he worth having in Silver and Blue?

by biotrek on Feb 25, 2006 10:42 PM CST reply actions  

Do you think ther is any possibility that Parcells could convince Ty Law to play for less and accept the starting Free Safety for Dallas? Troy Vincent and Rod Woodsen made a effective transition. It would give Dallas the best secondary in the NFL and would rival the all-time best.

by biotrek on Feb 25, 2006 10:44 PM CST reply actions  

biotrek,

It would be one of the great selling jobs of all time. Law made $10M last year in New York. He had a monster second half and finished with 10 INTs.

He’s still one of the best CBs in the game and CBs put Ss to shame money wise. Why would he leave millions on the table and switch positions when he didn’t have to?

by Rafael Vela on Feb 25, 2006 10:50 PM CST reply actions  

Rafael-I dont see it happening either, but Law has been forthcoming that he loves Parcells and maybe he’s put the money aside to join Parcells and win a SuperBowl.
I wonder what teams will offer him considering he is getting up there in age? Rafael-What do you thinki of Troy Vincent? I really think we need to go afer Make Kameaoto. I have a feeling that Glover is going elsewhere and Kameaoto will plug the middle and prevent the inside run alowing our LB’s to run the field.

by biotrek on Feb 25, 2006 11:05 PM CST reply actions  

I see the O-Line situation in these terms:

If they sign Fabini or Runyan, it is possible to see a first day OT because of their age, although highly doubtful.

If they sign Ashworth, they aren’t going to draft an OT this year. He’s young enough for them to wait and see what they have in Pettiti/Colombo/Rogers/Tucker.

If they don’t get a OT in FA…they’re drafting one…probably in round one, probably Jon Scott.

At guard, it’s like this:

If they re-sign Gurode, they probably aren’t going to draft OG first day since he and Peterman were both high draft picks as I recall and they have too much invested in LA/Rivera.

If they don’t get Gurode back, they will probably draft an OG in round two. Probably Spencer, but maybe Jean-Gilles. I am still remembering M-J-G pancaking Watson to his ass twice in the Senior Bowl, along with about 3 more DT’s.

Center is IMHO the most important position, and here we are either looking at Bentley or more of the same. I believe wholeheartedly that the Saints are going to pick Mangold with the 2nd pick of the draft to replace Bentley as long as he’s still on the board. Great idea, bring in a QB and Center in the same draft class!! I saw Mangold lift in the weightroom part of the Combine Friday and I was wishing like crazy the Cowboys could get him on the team. He didn’t put up the weight Spencer did, but man he’s got a chip on his shoulder and an ill temperament. Exactly what I like to see in an O-Lineman. The weight lifting coach said “Ok, ok…take a seat there Mr. Buckeye” after Mangold announced his name to scouts and Mangold just scowled at him like he wanted to kill him. It was hilarious. Him and LA next to each other would be hell for defensive lines.

by Sterling on Feb 26, 2006 2:32 AM CST reply actions  

lou c:

Great writing and evaluations!! I am glad to read your research on this. I have always enjoyed your posts.

BTW – I meant to say “Mangold with the 2nd pick of the 2nd round” to the Saints…not the 2nd pick of the draft, obviously. Either way, I’m envious of them in that slim regard.

by Sterling on Feb 26, 2006 2:37 AM CST reply actions  

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