Could Dallas & Denver Be Drifting Towards a Fit?

What is Glover’s worth? … If Denver offered us a chance to move up in the 1st, I would think the possibility of a trade would be greater. In my opinion, for this draft to be a success, Parcells has to get “that guy” .. “that strong side outside linebacker” to be more specific to complete the transformation to the 3-4. Carpenter or Greenway!! To assure himself one or the other I think we may have to move up in round 1.

If Glover’s value could pull in Denver’s second 1st rounder (the 29th overall and the draft board value is 640 points), I think that would put Parcells in excellent shape. I do not think Dallas will select two players in the first round this year, but he can parlay that pick into a higher 1st round pick and 1 or 2 more first day picks.

• My example would be a second trade with Baltimore:

Baltimore’s picks fall right into where I think Parcells might want to be. The Ravens have the 13th overall and their 3rd and 4th rounders would give Dallas four day 1 selections (a 1st, a 2nd, two 3rds) and put the Boys back into the 4th round. Plus the draft value board makes this a pretty even trade. So I propose two trades:

#1: Glover for (Denver’s) 29th overall

#2: 29th and (their own 1st) 18th overall for (Baltimore’s) 13th overall and Baltimore’s 3rd and 4th rounders

This would all but assure Parcells of getting one of the two LB that fit that last missing piece to the front 7. In my opinion, you can’t gamble and hope Carpenter or Greenway will be there at 18. Because if they are not, no other draftee really fits that 3-4 OLB mold.

I’m back guys. It’s been awhile so lemme first and foremost congradulate eric R and lou c for their nice posts earlier. Now back to business. Eric I got a very good feeling Carpenter is going to be there at 18 if anything I think he’s going to drop. I think three LB’s are going to go ahead of him. Because people are drooling over Ernie Sims speed (mayock on nfl.com has him in his top ten players overall) and of course a.j. hawk and chad greenway. Granted there are a few teams ahead of us that could use some LB help (San Francisco, Oakland, Cleveland, etc.) I can’t see 4 LBs gone by the time we pick at 18. I can definately see a lotta LB’s taken behind us however though with seattle, new york, indianapolis potentially taking LBs. I like the trade for Denver’s first though. I just don’t think its necessary to trade up in the draft to get Carpenter. So the question that is now posed is would it be better to have 2 first rounders or 1 first rounder, a 3rd rounder, and a 4th rounder? I’d prefer the prior but i’m open to hear some of that draft calculations that one of you guys have been posting.

I think there is more wishful thinking on this board than reality when it comes to the value of Glover and Ellis.

I have read that GB or Oakland may give an early 2nd for Glover. I don’t see it. We will not get a first for Glover, nor an early 2nd or early 3rd as all those teams are building for the future.

I think there are only a handful of teams genuinely interested, Denver being the most obvious. Can we get Denver’s 2nd for Glover? I doubt it. Just like we are hoping a stud TE falls to the 3rd round, Denver must be thinking the same with their 2nd pick.

A third is more likely, maybe even a 4th. Question becomes is Glover more valuable than a 4th round pick given the fact that Parcell’s wants to win now? I don’t know.

I would be happy with a 3rd.

Rafael and Eric:
I don’t see the Broncos trading their 29th for just Glover, I just don’t see it happening. Glover in the last 5 years has averaged 5.9 sacks and is in the last year of his contract, for him I just can’t see anything more than just a 3rd Rounder, especially because they know that JJ won’t sign him back to an extension.

Now, if Denver indeed losses Warren and Pryce, then desperation will take place and they’ll start looking to fill their holes and Ellis and Glover could be enough for their 29th.

Now, a deal that I can see happening for Glover is to change picks with Denver, their 29th for our 49th, the diference would just be of 230 points, the value of a high 3rd Rounder.

Rafael, Raul and all the regular posters, thanks for the overwhelmingly best site for anlaysis of the ’Boys. No one else comes close.

About Glover, seems we are overly optimistic about Glover’s trade value. He’s going to cost us $7.5 million against the cap and I read only $3m if we cut him. That’s a lot of cap cost for a reserve NT and a big step toward the cost of Bentley who helps address our biggest weakness the OL. So why do we think someone is going to give us a 1st or 2nd or maybe even a 3rd for someone we are going to cut and whose contract is going to be hard on their cap?

If Glover is not back with Dallas next year and I have a feeling that he will not be, what do you think we need to do with our own DL. I think we are fine at DE with Canty, Spears, Ellis, Ratliff, Coleman but I think we need to bring in a 320+ NT. The only sure fire guy in the draft is Ngata. I go after Make Kameaoto in Fre Agency. I think this could be the most significant move. Plug the middle and allow Burnett and James to run around and make plays. He’d definatley help us dominate the line of scrimmage.

Chandus,

I’d take that trade to move up to 29, though I might stick it out for 2nd round points rather than 3rd round points.

Now, to those who say Glover merits only a 3rd or less, let’s look at the most recent asking prices for good d-linemen:

— last year Denver asked for a 1st rounder for DE Trevor Pryce;
— last year New Orleans wanted a 1st and Dat Nguyen for DE Darren Howard;

Neither got what they wanted and kept the players.

Their asking prices were high. That said, Glover is a better player than either Pryce or Howard. He’s worth more than a 3rd. A 2nd might do it. Now, put a price on desperation. The article says Denver is very interested in John Abraham. His price tag was a 1st and then some last year. It will be at least a 1st this year — and he wants a signing bonus of $16-18 million.

He’s better than Glover, but if you’re Denver and may lose half your starting D-line next week and are going for broke this year, are you going haggle over details, or fork over a 2nd rounder?

I think Glover merits a 2nd rounder. Yes, I know, quality RBs are not getting that much. But RBs have much shorter shelf lives and are in greater supply.

biotrek,

I read this morning that Cleveland is ready to leap out of the gate and snatch Kameaoto. The Browns GM worked with Baltimore’s front office before going to Cleveland and he told of being outhustled last year for NT Pat Williams. He said, “we were getting out paper in the fax machine and he was already gone.”

They’ve got tons of cap money and they want an NT bad. You’re right we’ll need a DT but he likely won’t be the one.

bio,

One of the good things about running the 3-4 defense is NTs that fit that system aren’t usually highly sought after. The DT that get drafted early are mostly more athletic players that can penatrate in a 4-3 system. .. Its kind of like shopping for aples when everyone else is pickin out oranges … you can usually get what you want. Gabe Watson and (my personal sleeper pick) Steve Fifta are good players. Demato Peko is also big enough, and plays the run well enough to get consideration from the Boys.

Still don’t think they could get a 2nd, but if they did and our draft went something like this:

1st – OLB Carpenter/Lawson
2nd – OL Spencer/Joseph
Denver 2nd FS Blue/Bullocks
3rd – TE Fasano/Lewis

We would field a team as talented as any in the NFC + we have the best HC…that means a legitimate shot at the SB.

What is Glover’s worth? .. I think that is the big question. Personally, I like his character and his ability. Foremost, the guy has never complained about anything, and its seems to be a mutual parting of ways. There are interested GMs that are going to attempt to lower his value by bargaining that he wasn’t too productive last year. I am quite sure Jones and Parcells will try to sell him as a Pro Bowl DT that has the rare ability to rush the passer from that position. Why the off season? He was out of position. .. One of the other questions may be; is Dallas going to cut him if they can’t find a partner? If so, that would lower his value. .. I think he is an immediate difference maker .. a Pro Bowl type player! In most situations a Pro Bowl caliber DT is worth a 1st, but considering Glover’s age I’d say a 2nd rounder, or multiple mid round selections, possibly a 1st with Dallas giving up a mid round pick (possibly next year) themselves.

Everyone should just sit tight – stop with your speculations and let Bill do what he does. I guarantee you Bill is NOT going to do what you think he is going to do in the draft, furthermore some of the pesonnel ideas you guy’s have are total nonsense. He is smater than all of us and is biulding the team for a shot at the Super Bowl either this year or next. He’s not getting younger you know. Everybody thinks they know what’s best for our Boy’s but if you did you would be making the decisions because Bill and Jerry would hire you.

Hey drill,

What’s the point of a blog if can’t speculate? Why even bother reading the paper until late April? Lighten up, mister. Nobody doubts that Parcells is smart of that he knows what he’s doing. Those are straw man arguments you’re pushing.

More circumstantial evidence that Dallas is thinking about moving Glover, for something:

— Scott Wright said that Dallas paid a lot of attention to Gabe Watson in Mobile. I’ve read that in other places too.

Watson is generally slotted to late 1st round, very early 2nd.

We don’t know what Glover’s value is, the scouting staff’s actions and Parcells’ evasiveness in discussing Glover suggest he’s going to play elsewhere next year, for whatever price.

I just read he was paying alot of attention to Mangold too and he’s projected to go at the end of round 1 top of 2.

TM,

Interesting. they’re looking a lot at players rated between Dallas’ top two picks.

Barry Coefield is now on my really serious radar, his playing weight in his Sr year was around 330 and 340 pounds, he shed some and now tips the scales at 304. This guy is thought to be capable to be a NT in the 3-4 as he’s so though against the run.

I would love to see a draft like: Trade Glover for early 2nd

1st: Davis/Carpenter
2nd: Watson/Lewis
2nd: Spencer/Joseph
3rd: Watkins/Blue

We get a backup and future NT, a great TE or OLB, a solid OG, and a good potential FS. I would cry if we could walk out with Vernon Davis, Gabe Watson, Charles Spencer, and Pat Watkins.

Nick Mangold I heard is a 1st rounder now with such a strong combine. Some scouts say he is the best C prospect in 10 years. Thats saying alot.

I seen some of the WR’s and QB’s today. I have a sleeper QB who could be our next project at QB: Kellen Clemons from Oregon. He looked real good out there and could become a starter in the NFL one day with some seasoning.

I also think that Chad Jackson has the most potential and will end up being the best WR in this draft. Ben Obomanu is fast, I only got to see him run though, hopefully I will see some highlights of his workouts later. Mike Haas and Jason Avant impressed me too.

If Coefield doesnt put on weight hes a 3-4 end IMO.

lou c:
Coefield’s at 304, Ferguson is at 310. If he goes through Parcells mini camps and training camp I’m sure that he would weight close to 320 with little fat.

The thing about him is that he looked overweight in College and just like Watson, that tend to tire him up by the end of the game. That made him a prospect to be drafted from rounds 4 to 5, now with that weight and good numbers in strength and running drills he could get himself into the 3rd Round.

Chandus,

He sounds like a good prospect, but I agree he would need to weigh 310+ to hold his own. Fergie is 310, and considered light for a NT. Watson is 340, as is Ngata. Do you know if he will be at the combine tommrow? I think DL and TE’s work out tommrow if I’m correct. I interested in seeing him, Watson, Stanley from Louisville, Jolly from TTech, Peko from Michigan, and Le Kevin Smith.
Does anyone have any info on Smith or Jolly? I never heard of them before the combine but they have some size and would probably fit in a 3-4.

Whoa! Young scored a measly 6 in the Wonderlic test given the combine invites, 6 of 50 points… I guess that he flunked it.

If ever existed some thought that Cutler would be drafted ahead of Young, now I guess it received a boost.

lou:
He’s in Indianapolis.

BTW, I read the Young note at SI with Banks.

Chandus,

I have watched some of the combine drills. Chad Jackson and Jay Cutler looked like studs … Jackson stood out to me. Jackson exploded off the line on his 40 and had an exceptional time (4.32 officially), and used his hands to grab balls thrown at him. Cutler looked big, strong and was accurate with his throws. From what I am reading his bench presses were tops among QBs, and did very well in the other drills.

… Michael Vick looked horrible!! Rookie free agent, if that.

I’ve read that the Cowboys were showing alot of interest in Charles Spencer, great to hear that.

I also seen that they interviewed Daniael Manning, a CB/S from a small school who is the best sleeper in the draft according to Scott Wright. He can absolutly fly I heard.

Raf,
You hear of any other guys the Boys are showing interest in? I know they talked to Watson and Jon Scott at the Sr Bowl.

Rumors are everywhere, but no matter how thoroughly I look, I can’t find one rumor that the Cowboys are interested in Bentely.

lou c.

Jolly looks interesting to me. I don’t know if he’s got the bulk to be a NT but he’s got the size and skills to be a good 3-4 DE. After last year, however, that’s probably not a priority, especially with Ellis staying.

I think Henson scored one of the top wonderlic scores in combine history and see he’s smart he got a free vacation in Europe.

Hey guys, just a question, I was reading an article on nfl.com about the Houston Texans trading their first round pick. What will the Cowboys trade for Houston 1st pick and who would the Cowboys select? I have no idea how the draft system works with points and all, but what would be a realistic trade for the Cowboys. How about Dallas giving Houston LeRoy Glover and their 1st round, for their first. Is this possible?

not even close, we might have to give up something like this years 1 and 2, next years 1 and maybe throw Witten in there. Anything less is really unreallistic.

Adrian,

The top pick is worth 3000 points. Dallas pick at 18 is worth 900 points.

To get to the top overall pick Dallas would have to give:

A. Its #1, #2 and #3 this year;
B. La’Roi Glover, who I’m valuing at 300 points, or a very late 2nd rounder;
C. Its #1 and #4 in 2007.

Again, that’s TWO #1s, a #2, a #3 a #4 and a quality DL.

You want a young QB that bad?