McGinest to Visit Dallas, Vinatieri to Visit Green Bay

Does this mean we can continue the ownes and kicking a dead horse argument on this thread now?

I hope we get to him first. Vinarieri that is. Supposedly he is leaving the country at the end of the week and will make his decision before he leaves.

Raf, thank you for stopping that ridiculous thread.

Campbell’s TE position will be hard to fill. Great blocking is underrated by fans largely because the camera follows the ball. But in slo-mo you can see that blocking is what makes most big plays possible. Is there another top blocking TE out there?

I can’t take it anymore. Exhaustion and frustration has set in. Good night folks. I guess we can talk about our new cowboy sometime tomorrow.

Really surprised we have not been extremely agressive in pursuing a vet kicker. The best one is still available, but if we lose out on Adam, we may be in a similar situation as last year. JJ needs to pony up the bucks NOW or else we’re in trouble. There is so much parity in the NFL now that we need to place a much higher premium on the kicker.

Holy crap has this blog grown. Been here since the beginning, but the job and the wife do not allow for much time to do anything but read. I am starting the who cares if we get TO or not faction. He dessicrated the star, but “the MF can play”. We will all see, or maybe not. All the folks here are real Boys fans, this issue has just been devisive, for obvious reasons. I appreciate all the good intel from folks. Raf and Raul, great work as always. All the regulars-keep up the good work. To all the armed service bloggers out there-THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. Go Cowboys!

Great hearing McGinest coming in instead of signing a deal right away. Vinateiri is going to come here too, he wont just take the offer that GB takes when we have a ton of money over here. Great news after this TO saga. Lets give Vinateiri a 4 year, 12 million dollar deal with a 3 mil signing bonus. Thats enough I think. Then give McGinest 2 years, 8 mil and a 2 mil signing bonus. I hope those numbers could get this done so we can talk about this TO thing another day.

Also, Don Banks does a updated mock which is pretty close to what is going to happen, def at the top 10. He has us getting Chad Jackson, which I wouldnt be mad at.

jj is really draging his feet right now!! i guess were going to get T.O now that k.J is gone ..hurrah (sarcasticaly) i hope we get McGinest his leadership is very valuable for our young LB’s i would rather Javon Walker than T.O (jj if youre listening) with the exception of McGinest lets continue our YOUTH MOVEMENT!!

Raf,
  I know you dont have an “inside track”, I just want to know what your gut is telling you. Is Adam V coming here or not? I know it’s a stupid ques. But I’d like to know what you’re thinking.

anyone,
Any ideas what we’ll do if he doesnt come here?

Im starting to feel like a kid who got socks and underwear for christmas. You know what I think about TO?I COULDN’T CARE LESS!!!! If we dont get a kicker,it doesn’t matter anyway!This sux! Sox and underwear man, sox and underwear.

If we don’t sign Vinitieri, maybe we can try to locate Rafael Septien to come out of retirement!

We would have been 12 and 4 with Adam V last year.’Nuff said.TO wont win us near as many games as a good kicker.

Seriously, I think Vinitieri is a must signing. There’s no other good kicker available. I really think he would add at least 2-3 wins for us. Just think if we had him last season. Mcginest would be a plus. He would add experience to the defense which is needed with all of the youth there. I’m not to concerned about signing TO. But if we don’t sign him then we definately need KJ back. Plus we need to make WR a priority in the draft. And let’d not forget FS too!

I hate to say it but i really dont think we are goin to get AV. I think its gunna be the same situation that those of us who dont want TO are hoping for with KJ. Where he goes out finds out how much hes worth and then goes back. Don’t get me wrong, i def want him i just dont really see him leaving New England

I know Jesse Garcia. He might be available in a pinch. LOL

big e……add the TDs TO would have had……and we would have been 14-2 and watched Romo an Hennson get playing time..cuz the games would have been over with in the 2nd Quarter with that Defense…instead of sucking on Tums and watching Jose, Suisham and Cundiff collecitvely……..miss right……miss left…..and duff……i was at the Carolina game and if not for a bizarre penalty……cundiff would have lost that one too……

Big E,

For some reason I think they won’t. I’m a bit surprised he hasn’t been in for a visit yet, but then again, I think he was caught off guard by the speed with which Longwell signed.

I keep reading that he has great endorsement deals in New England and I think it would take a lot of money to pry him away from the Patriots.

And something tells me that Jerry won’t pay it.

I hope I’m wrong.

Raf,

So you have heard JJ talk highly of Mare?

Raf, we all hope your wrong

Cash,

Sloppy writing on my part. I was in a hurry. What Jerry said is that he will get a veteran and does not want a rookie kicker.

I should have written Mare is a veteran, of the type Jerry says he wants…

But no, he’s never said anything about Mare. And he shouldn’t. The guy seems to have lost his nerve, which is everything for a kicker. Even the good ones have down years. But you don’t come back from two really bad ones.

Well this is really starting to grind my nerves. The TO thing has everyone freaking out. Truth is though,K and Rt are still the main holes we have to fill(that is, before we got rid of KJ).

No 2 To

No 2 To

hmmmmmmm………

interesting…….Ferrote…the journeyman QB…….who didnt he knock himself out once…….anyway cut by Dolphins……..wasnt Griese cut……….any chance Brian goes to backup in Miami where father Bob played? I know one thing if I was banking on Culpepper who is coming off a knee injury and the love boat……I sign a guy who has at least started and played.

so raf, i got a worst case scenario for you. let’s say KJ signs with another team. let’s say we DON’T get T.O.. and let’s say vinny signs with GB. what do we do??! promote crayton and sign ___________________

CNM,

Get GB to trade Javon Walker to you for your 2nd and possibly draft Chad Jackson in the 1st. Thats not bad, and maybe sign Olinda Mare as much as we would hate it. Thats not bad, although the price tag is high.

I think the Eagles would be stupid NOT to sign KJ. What a perfect match. With the speed they have on offense to have both KJ and LJ Smith to move the chains would be a great improvement for them.

:( Sadness fills my heart…I want KJ back…and i want vinatieri, not another guy i have to hold my breath on for every stinkin 20 yarder…but if that Vernon Davis guy falls to 18, i wonder if we’ll get him…he looks more like an H-Back than a TE to me, but i don’t think parcells has ever used one of those…he would be bad a** in the slot tho, that guy ran a 4.37 40 and he’s strong as an ox.

Jon B,

Who does Miami have at QB? Culpepper and who else? I have to think they still need to sign a Vet and with only giving up a 2nd round pick, they are still in the market to draft one, if one of the to three fall thier way. VY behind Culp for 3 years wouldn’t be the worse of situations.

Vinatieri hsould already be wearing a star. If it wasn’t for missed kicks last year we win the first skins game, denver & seattle….

Come on JJ….please?!

And get KJ back….NOW!!!

It’ll be tough to beat Green Bay in the Vinatieri sweepstakes – they started with more money than us and lost a decent kicker.

If we don’t get Vinatieri, I wish BP & JJ could admit they made a mistake and try and get Steve Hoffman back – is he coaching elsewhere?

I just heard that Minnesota’s fielding trade offers for Burleson, a 3rd Rounder appears to be what they want for a player that reached the 1000 yards mark 2 years ago.

Let’s say that Dallas trades for the guy, then they sign in this FA: Vinatieri (or Josh Brown), McGinest and Chris Hope. I would look for this Draft: OLB with the 1st pick after a trade down that adds a 3rd Rounder (Carpenter, Wimbley or Lawson), then add Stovall with the 2nd Rounder and add an OLineman with the 3rd Rounder.

Stovall would start inmediately as a posession receiver, while Glenn and Burleson battle for the other job, the loser takes the slot and backup roles.

sierrareef,

Hoffman is in Atlanta now I believe. Good idea but we let him get away.

sierrareef:
He was signed by Atlanta 1 or 2 months ago.

But Hoffman wouldn’t have accomplished anything this past season, Cundiff went down injured in the worst possible time, when there were just street FAs at K.

I’ve read Chris Hopes name for the last time!!!!!
Have you guys seen Hope play? He needs to hope that he is in the NFL and not the CFL next year. Go watch receivers blow by him on a regular basis in last years games. If it weren’t for the constant pressure fron the Steelers front seven he may have given up 25 TD’s single handedly last year. The guy cant close on the underneath routes with any authority and he got beat deep more than any db in AFC North last year. So if you want to see more of Santana Moss catching bombs just keep “Hoping for Hope”
Please Enough Already!

I was just catching up on the threads from earlier today. The one before this is depressing. I can’t believe all the personal attacks in there. Come on guys, last time I checked we’re all rooting for the same team. No matter who’s on it.

The cowboys need to get Javon Walker, hes younger than T.o. and doesnt cause as many problems as T.O.

I agree wit tlcm, we dont need hope, hes too slow we need some speed, Williams isnt fast, so we need to compliment his hard hitting with speed. I dont know whos out there wit speed but we need someone

The only reason someone signs with Green Bay is if (a) the draft requires you, (b) no one else wants you, or © you’re very religious and “God” comes to you in a dream telling you to. Let’s hope Adam Vinatieri is an atheist.

4 years at $10-12 million with a $4 mil SB is a very sensible contract, imo.

McGinest is icing. Smart vet pickup for 1 to 2 years, but not super essential to me.

Kicker is SUPER (bowl) essential.

cant sleep…need input! news anybody?

Stringo:
Most of the times the safety getting torched wasn’t Hope, Polamalu indeed steals the show out of Hope hands because he’s indeed fun to watch, but he’s allowed to roam the field and that has cost the team more than once, as an example in the Super Bowl look for the Jurevicius play in the last 2 minutes.

He isn’t getting much attention because he priced himself too high, by now his price should have leveled off some.

Tiny orgy and granny toons…forced oral
…..hidden cams …what is James back? or has The Troll awoken from his winter slumber?

Becker2:

Stupid spam bots …

I’m looking at an upgrade to the software that should help eliminate even more of this type of spam. You should see the other 98% that is caught and not posted … :shock:

So far I’d have to say that the Cowboys have taken a step back as a team from the end of last season. Gone are Glover, Campbell, Fujita, and Key and all we have added are a backup guard and a LB, both of which I had never heard of before all this free agency talk. While the LB seems to be an upgrade over Fujita and it never hurts to add another O-lineman, the team now has voids at DT, WR, and TE. Add those spots to the already needed K, OT, and OLB and that’s a lot of holes to fill in one off season. Here are my thoughts:

K—I still say Vinetari is going to land in Dallas. He’s the only kicker left in FA that the Cowboys would have any interest. I think the Cowboys are letting him find the best deal and are telling him to come to us when he is done shopping and will offer him a deal he can’t refuse. There is no question he’ll end up in Dallas…there aren’t any othre viable options and Parcell’s ain’t drafting a kicker.

TE and DT—-Other than a few warm bodies. These positions are going to filled via the draft. The draft is loaded with talented TE and I think Parcells wants to work that 2 TE package for years to come. I would truly welcome the opportunity for them to grab Vernon Davis; it would solve the TE depth problem and would also give Bledsoe another target…a target he is now lacking from the WR position. DT is another position where they are going to get younger. The future isn’t Canty-Fergusen-Spears; it’s Canty—Young Guy—Spears.

OLB—As much as everyone has been linking Bobby Carpenter to the Cowboys, that pick may not make sense. Right now, we have 3 of the 4 LBs in place, with a wild care of Burnett. If Willie McGinest is signed, which would be great for a year or two, then I can’t see us going for yet another LB in the draft. If McGinest isn’t signed then it’s still a stretch as there wouldn’t be a starting position for Burnett. I’m not saying he deserves one, but do we want to reglagate him to a backup spot when he was a highly touted 2nd round pick? Not when we have all these other needs.

OT—Remember Fabini is still out there. I can’t imagine he won’t at least visit Dallas.

WR—This could turn into a big problem, but here is what I think will happen:

Keyshawn—I think they are serious when they are telling him…go shop around, see what you can get, and then we’ll talk. It’s the fair thing to do from him and I think Keyshawn would give them the opportunity to match. The Cowboys wouldn’t leave themselves that exposed if they didn’t think they had an emergency plan in place. That plan is Keyshawn.

T.O.—I still don’t like this idea on principle, but if they signed him to a one year incentive laden deal then why not. As long as the team can cut him at any time if he turns into trouble and they don’t sacrifice looking into other options at that position if the deal turns sour.

Moulds—If he gets cut then he might be a good replacement for Keyshawn. They are similiar receivers, have almost identical stats, and are roughly the same age. It’s an option, but I wouldn’t trade for him unless they work something like trade #1 slots, we get Moulds, they get our #3 and maybe a #5…something like that. We could possibly get Vernon Davis with that pick.

Javon Walker—I think this guy is a stud. The Cowboys wanted to draft him when he came out of college, but Green Bay beat them to the punch. He’s young and despite his recent injury, he’d be worth trading away a #2 or #3 draft pick.

Other than that, we are screwed at the WR spot. Let’s hope they do something.

Sam, nice. Thanks for the intelligent post.

sam you are right this team seems to be going backwards,we’ve lost more than we’ve gained,it’s still early but so far i am dissapointed.now they cut key and glenn is 32 where are we going with recievers,t.o?i don’t agree with this at all.our offensive line isn’t any better we pick up a guy that’s a backup on one of the worst teams in the league,a team we clobbered last year.i hope we do something guys.

Jerry likes playing poker. I’m still not completely sure Terrell is on his way to Dallas. Part of the timing of cutting Keyshawn may also be, besides helping him find his market price, to force the hands of Denver, KC, and others regarding TO, to get somebody else to panic and overcommit in that direction. If it works, it’s brilliant; if not he may end up with an underpriced receiver with a long history of troublesome team relations.

Thanks Len…I had a lot to get off my chest.

I agree with you biz is winning, they better do something, but there are still a lot of opportunities floating out there.

I’m not so much disappointed with what we haven’t signed than I am with what we have let go. The fact that we haven’t been on a signing rampage is OK, because most if not all the players that we rumoured to go to the Cowboys are still out there. I’m just not wild about letting quality guys go like Glover, Key, and Campbell when we have loads of cash.

Sam,

First, good post. Second, let’s talk about KJ. Yesterday, I was also hoping that we were simply doing the “fair” thing by letting him assess his market value with the hope that we would eventually re-sign him.

After a night of sleep, however, I’m certain that won’t happen.

Key and TO were both owed a roster bonus at 3:00 pm yesterday. TO was cut about 2:30. We cut KJ immediately after TO was cut.

But aside from the timing of the two cuts, there is more circumstantial evidence tending to prove that we are not planning to re-sign KJ.

Primarily, if we simply wanted to do the fair thing by letting him measure his true value in the market, then we would have released him on the first day of free agency. At this point, a good portion of the market money has already been spent. A person getting cut today will make less than he would have if he had been cut last Friday (first day of free agency). Fewer buyers means less salary for KJ. Our motive for cutting him must have been solely to sign TO.

I hope I’m wrong, but I don’t see him coming back, which is a shame because KJ was our best offensive player (IMO).

Madcowboy:
then again, cutting him late may give us a better chance of getting him back (if we want) b/c some of the big spenders on WR are out, namely Washington. The skins could have used a guy like KJ. He would be a great compliment to moss. Instead, they overpaid two others giving them three speedsters with no possession guy. On a separate note, while you’d rather have young receivers, old ones can be good. Jerry Rice had his best season when he was 33.

Also, in regards to OT, anyone wonder why NE is looking at Fabini when they have/had Ashworth right there all along? This alone would make me leary of Ashworth.

Cash,

Cutler, Leinhart and Young……sounds like an accounting firm. They are going to get paid play now money……and I don’t think too many teams in the NFL are going to let them sit on the bench longer than the Carson Palmer first year to learn the offense.

Jerry’s comments about KJ had all the earmarks of an obituary. Jerry is all business at this point and it was not like he was cutting Emmit Smith….or Troy Aikman. If he can upgrade from KJ to TO for the same or less. He will have that deal inked before you can say……beelzebub three times.

I heard a rumor that Jerry’s private jet landed somewhere on a small strip in the Mississippi Delta……and that Jerry was seen walking out to where two old dirt roads intersect. Heard he was seen down on his knees there and then shaking hands with some strange fellow.

Owens to Dallas will be a done deal…….Jerry and that fellow at the Crossroads can settle up later…..after a few Super Bowl rings.

“went,
DOWWwwnnnn to the crossroads,
FEellll ddown on my knees…”

jerry doth deal with diablo…

Jon B,

While I think VY will be ready to play after a year on the bench, most Scouts look at it as a 3 year deal right now, part of which is playing a role on where he may or may not get drafted. McNair got paid first round money, sat on the bench a few years and it turned out well. While most teams don’t like to sit young QBs everyone seems to think right now that that is what will need to happen with VY. Remember he’s a black QB and not very smart because of it. Joking of course.

Sam, good post. In regards to WR, 1) I don’t think GB will part with Jevon for only a mid #2 or a #3, 2) Moulds over Key is a downgrade IMO and 3) I doubt they sign both TO and Key…I agree in an incentive-only deal for TO, but what happens if he implodes in Week 10? You want to risk a potentially successful season on a TO spouting? Its almost like if you sign TO you better have a good backup plan. That is not necessarily the case with Key…although obviously TO has more talent.

I think the KJ deal is still in the works unless he gets an overpaid deal like some of the clubs are dishing out. By cutting him when we did, I agree that most of the outrageous money is gone, giving us a better chance at another contract with KJ.

I read on the homepage that we didn’t even offer anything to Campbell. That there was no communication for 2 months. I don’t understand it. His leadership, blocking, and no ego were worth an attempt regardless of the age he is getting to.

I’m not ready to jump off of a cliff yet. While I don’t care for some of the things JJ does, he ain’t stupid. Parcells may only be here a couple more years and he has a good base. I think Vinaterri is the key. If they make a legitimate shot at signing him, then they think we are close and have some plans in the works. Including a wide receiver, or maybe two. If they don’t go for Vinaterri, then I see more draft building for a year. Just my .02

Everyone seems to have picked up on Randy Galloway’s comment regarding Kosier being a career backup at Detroit and Ayodele being unfocused. You really think Randy Galloway really knows that to be true? He is writting for effect and comments like that get you talking about his column.

I doubt Parcells is that stupid given the fact he has all the film in the world, played both teams last year, has world class football people to consult, knows how these players played against his players, is a reasonable evaluator of talent and has everything to lose by making bad decisions. If what Galloway said was so obvious, JJ seriously overpaid BP when he could have had Randy for much less.

It would take a complete idiot to sign these players if RG was correct and BP is not a complete idiot.

KJ still has a big Scarlet letter on his resume…..he plays well for Bill Parcells……and Belichek has some history with him…….but I don’t see a lot of teams wanting him after his troubles in Tampa. This will be season 11 for him.

I think Dallas was probably going to have to rework his deal anyway……so why not let him go test FA……he might well come back cheaper. Jerry did the eulogy on KJ but I think KJ wants to be a Cowboy…….with or without TO. I think he knows it is winter time for his career and he is a competitor that wants HOF stats and election……another ring with another team……..helps.

Sign him to play at TE pay if you can at this stage of his career he is more of a TE…but then again he was huge last year on 3rd downs and around the goalline more than a time or two. Sort of like Novacek was?

Jon, KJ is a bit small to play TE don’t you think?

TE pay not TE play.

Cambell played very poorly last year. While you can attribute the loss to Denver to a easy missed FG, I attribute Bailey’s TD int to Cambell not wanting to get hit when the ball was thrown his way. He didn’t even try and make a play on the ball.

Cash,
Wasn’t that Witten not Campbell on that play? I could be wrong.

Campbell was a fraud….He was the guy who didn’t make a play on the ball in the Denver game…I’m glad he’s gone….He sucked for what he was paid.

I don’t think it looks like we are going to sign a free agent OL. The signing of Kosier and resigning of Gurode looks like moves to insure that if there is an injury we are not doomed like last year. I think we will draft an OG or/and an OT though.
 I hope we do sign Vinateri and quick. I don’t think we are going to get him, it looks like GB will get him. I would hate to see us lose 2,3 or 4 games this year just because of a kicker.
 If we do not sign a good vet kicker than I think we will have to either sign TO trade for J. Walker. My reason for that would be the Offence has to score somehow. I actually prefer TO because he has something to prove to the Eagles and what better team to do that on than the Cowboys. Another reason would be that Javon Walker has injury problems last year. Another good reason to take TO over Walker is that you have to trade for Walker. I know that there are alought of people that hate TO, but before KJ came here alought of people were saying the same things about him they are saying about TO. TO’s upside is alought biger than KJ as well.

What are the real odds here, that TO and/or KJ sign elsewhere? Man that would put Dallas in a pickle. I’m nervous, I’m nervous; to the point my stomach hurts.

At this point I have to say we better sign AV or TO or we are in trouble.

not sure the term “upside” is applicable to proven players, which both kj and to are, obviously. but t.o. does have a known downside: he wrecks teams and leaves coaches trembling in his wake…

bp could keep his a$$ in check though, i do believe.

foremost: kicker, please!

Every now and then someone needs to remind the bloggers to take a deep breath. Now is the time. We don’t need a $3 million kicker or to throw millions at players over 30. I’m impressed with the approach to free agency the ‘Boys are taking. You build a champion through the draft. After the draft we’ll know the positions still needing to be addressed. We can find some good players at a good price when teams begin to cut down to league minimums during camp. We’ll also have a better idea about some of our own young players after camp starts. Relax. Deep breaths. It’s going to be OK. For a while there I thought I was reading danny boy’s personal journal.

plus, we now need a wide receiver or TWO, AND a kicker. not either/or. we need both—the hour is getting late.

steelyeyedmissle,

I completely agree with your assessment (post 69), however, I’m not sure that receiver fits into that category. Especially a #1 or #2 at this point. I don’t see that kind of talent in the draft this year, especially at pick 18. Those kind of receivers are not going to be cut. There will be developemental receivers, but not ready to go this year. Crayton could get there, but I don’t know that we are ready to take that gamble.

Back to your take a breath comment. I just don’t see management leaving themselves that far out on a limb without a contigency plan. There has got to be something in the works. They would not leave everything to chance with an unsigned TO.

Just dreaming, but doesn’t Detroit have some pressing needs and 1 too many go-to receivers?

Shane J

BP isn’t going to cut a receiver he really likes just to save a little cap space. He has something in the works. I was totally against TO for a while. But what the heck, give him an incentive laden deal and see what he does.

b drum 3
 KJ was suposed to have a downside but I never seen it. As far as the upside coment I was saying that TO has more to offer than KJ. We need a K and a WR.
Steelyeyedmisssle
 If we just sit back with no K than we risk going 8-8 or 9-7 again. After releasing KJ we have more holes than we started with so it is time to take action before all proven players are signed to other teams. We can’t just fill every hole with a rookie or we will have a couple of Petitti type players to fill in as K, WR, OT, OG, NT,. I’ve had enough of Cortez’s, Petitti’s, Tucker’s, and Cundiff’s.
 Petitti might be good one day but I didn’t see one good day last season.

CKnight,

I didn’t say we don’t need a kicker. There’s probably a half dozen guys that can put it through the uprights 7 out 10 times. If those other 3 times cost a trip to the playoffs, then we weren’t that good to start with.

Let me run a few names by you. Staubach, Aikman, Smith, Irvin. All drafted.

JaDee,

I’m 99.9% sure it was Cambell.

CKnight, Shane,

No way we signed Kosier and Ayodele as backups. We are paying starting money, not backup money. We look at film and we played them just last year!

Have BP and his staff gone stupid all the sudden? Does Randy Galloway have information they don’t have? I suggest we stop taking everything these writers say as gospel and realize they write for effect so you will talk about their columns.

Ayodele is a definate starter, he’s going to attempt to play the 2nd ILB spot in the 3-4 defense. As for Kosier, it is said that he can play both guard and tackle, so who knows where we will use him. He’s listed as a LG, so the departure of Larry Allen seems to be the most obvious scenario, but you never know…Tuna likes versatility, and that’s what Kosier brings to the table. It’s too soon to tell what he’ll do with the line yet…the draft will tell all.

However, I’m sure I’m not the only one who would be pretty sad to see Larry Allen go (did you see him at the Pro Bowl gmaes where he did like 40+ reps?? GOOOOOO)

CKnight,

I would add Burnett in there as well. He might be good one day, but at this point, I consider him a bust. He couldn’t even perform on special teams. How do we expect him to step up as a bookend to Ware?

KC,

I agree Campbell was not a good option for us. If we want just a blocker there are many of those available. He cost us the Denver game IMO. He had no credibility as a receiver and teams just let him go in patterns and shut us down somewhere else.

I understand why Campbell was released, and I’m not too upset that he was….but is everyone forgetting the Kansas City game where he caught the game-winner because no one thought he’d be the go-to target down on the goal-line? Give the guy a LITTLE respect/credibility

Did you guys see the money Will Demps got from the Giants? 5 years 10 -12 million. I would think that would knock Hope’s asking price back down from the stratosphere and into our range. What do yall think?

Cash,
It was Campbell.
My Bad!

About Galloway’s comment:
His assessment of Ayodele was from Jack Del Rio who is at least BP’s equal in evaluating LB talent. The comment on Kosier was true too. League consensus is he is not starter material. We paid them like they were both NFL starters. Maybe BP knows something nobody else knows (as he did w/ Everson Walls and O.J. Anderson in NY). Maybe he screwed this one up (as he has on lots of signings and draft picks in his past). Nobody’s accusing him of being a bad coach, but it does look like we overpayed for some average players and haven’t gone out and gotten any stars at positions where we could use an upgrade.

He also almost cost us the KC game by letting the ball go right through his hands and into Surtains. If Surtain had held on, he would have had an easy TD. Sorry, I can’t give a guy credit for catching a pass in the end zone when THAT’S HIS JOB. My 3 and a half year old could have caught that ball so what credit does he deserve?ould have.

steelyeyedmissle
A few names for you who we didn’t draft Sanders,KJ, and Haley. All of these players I loved and TO and AV can be next. Our kickers couldn’t even get the chip shots and we play in a kickers stadium 7 for 10 missing 20 yarders isn’t what I want.

rha
 I never said we signed Ayodele as a back up, I love the Ayodele signing. As for Kosier I think he will be battling a rookie from round 1,2 for RT spot.

Blitz,

Could your 3 year old, or even you, have caught that ball with the game on the line, in front of your home crowd, your playoff hopes at serious stake, the other team’s playoff hopes at serious stake, capping off a comeback after being scorched on the defensive side all day, with all the pressure in the world on you? Sure, that’s PART of his job (since he was a blocking TE), but so what? It’s not like he did everything wrong while he was here. I’m not trying to be mean, i just don’t understand why you refuse to give him a little credit for catching that ball to win us the game

ScottyWK
I would try for the money they get paid. But seriously I bet I could have it was not the hardest catch.

Dan Campbell-

1) What happened when he was out. Did you see how many people we had to keep in just to shore up the line.

2)He was voted a team captain by the players themselves, not coaches. They were around him all the time.

2)No, he was not a go to guy. He did what was expected of him- shored up the line, was a leader, and ran an occasional route.

With our line in flux still and coming of off injuries, I just would have thought we would have made the attempt to resign him for average money. No he is not the greatest tight end. But you can’t have steak at every position.

Selected Kosier Highlights from SF:
“San Francisco tackle Kyle Kosier was assigned to Arrington and tried to block him low, but Arrington used his strength to knock the 309-pounder to the ground, then sprinted to his left and joined middle linebacker Antonio Pierce to wrap up running back Maurice Hicks for a two-yard loss.”
“Kyle Kosier started at left tackle for the 49ers, but moved inside to guard when it was obvious he couldn’t handle Taylor. The switch was made shortly after Taylor bull-rushed Kosier right into Rattay, knocking him down.”
“Brown, matched up against left tackle Kyle Kosier, was like a 262-pound mosquito constantly buzzing around the quarterback.”
“Right guard Justin Smiley, a second-round draft choice, entered the game in the second quarter. He took the place of Kyle Kosier immediately after Kosier was beaten by Rod Coleman on the sack that injured Rattay.”

Grantp
There must be more to Kosier than that he’s getting paid alought of money to be another T.Tucker.

Well, he did improve last year. There are no such articles about his performance coming off the bench for Detroit. In fact, he was voted the #2 LG in the NFC North last year. My point is:
1. We shouldn’t begin to think this guy is a replacement for LA.
2. While he may be a solid backup, he is not a quality NFL starter at Tackle.
3. If he is a starter anywhere, the only position should be Guard because he gets QB’s injured at tackle.

Bottom line – He was a reach for what we paid him.

This is just my opinion,but after all the talk from JJ about the “big bang” comming and that they intend to jump into free agency to address OT,OG,K,OLB and FS,I would find it highly unlikely they are just standing pat.I bet they have something in the works and most probably of a two player or more nature.They(BP and JJ) have alot riding on all this and with money and cap room to spare I just can’t see them letting the whole NFL world just pass by them.Their silence is deafening.I’m sure there is more to come but the waiting sucks…….lol

grantp,

don’t be so negative. Look up Mawae’s history. Like many OL, he took years to develop. So because Kosier got beat back in SF doesn’t mean he’s an automatic bust. Shoot, LaRoi Glover got cut multiple times and ended up an awesome signing for us with mutliple pro bowls.

Grantp:
You didn’t needed to put that effort, just look at the names, Arrington, Jason Taylor, no Brown (Alex Brown of Chicago played against SF but he didn’t recorded a sack) sacked Rattay in 2004 and Alex Brown sacked the Lions QB one time in 2 games and Rod Coleman.

Those players are pretty good, they can certainly sack QB’s with much more known Tackles, or Guards in Coleman’s case. I’ve at least seen Arrington getting past our known Hotel.

Have a friend who is fairly close to JJ. He doesn’t get inside tips but he does know how much JJ likes BP and vice versa. We can be certain none of these player moves are made without BP’s OK.

On KJ and TO, I think they may be trying to end up with both. Can say JJ’s comments are an obituary, but can also interpret them as a careful effort not to burn any bridges. Can KJ and TO coexist? Yes, if they both feel they are getting the best deal available. If signed TO and KJ felt he was underpaid, it would be a problem. By letting him test the market, KJ will know he got as good a deal as he could with the ’Boys. Same with TO. KJ might even help keep TO in line.

On Kosier, I think he is insurance. Being able to back up 4 positions means he would probably play as much as a starter just spelling other players. Also it provides protection/leverage with LA who will have to restructure or likely get cut. Probably haven’t released LA yet because really want him back but with a new deal.

Finally, Ranch Report says an inside source has identified the Cowboys draft focus as OL, S and OLF, in that order. Could be misdirection but its consistent with everyone’s analysis, if we get McGinest in FA.

JJ is an oil and gas guy so he has the stones to play this game. Still, I would feel a lot better if we had Vinatieri signed.

Look, the things that I heard from the guy are the same that what you heard, at Frisco he struggled against top speed rushers while playing a position he isn’t suited to play, he doesn’t has the feet to play LT. Last season he played Guard and he little less than excelled in pass protection, he was average in run blocking. That sounds to me as a possible RT, one with enough feet to control SSDEs in bull rushes.

Whoops. Meant OLB as 3rd focus.

Raf,
  Thanks for your response.

   I have a question for everyone.What do you think we will do to adress kicker if we dont get Adam V?

The Eagles must have hated TO so much they went out and got Garcia… LMAO. maybe the next coach will be Mariucci

Chandus, Grantp,

So BP made Kosier his first FA signing, paying starting money to a slug to shore up his number one priority position. Don’t think so.

RHA

go watch game tape….there were plenty of times KJ was lined up in TE or HBack spot next to the line of scrimmage……

no he is not a Witten….type of TE….but my point is he ain’t TO or Moss either. He is a big slower athletic guy who blocks well, and presents the same type of mathup problems as a TE……his size is problematic for DBs. I don’t recall KJ having a whole lot of RAC TDs last year……his role was more like a TE working the middle of the field than a deep threat WR.

He was productive, and I hope we get him back….but if it were TO or KJ…..I would take TO. If you have both…….fine too.

If we don’t get Vinateri I think it will be Mare at kicker. I heard that Rosenhaus (who infamously lunched with Parcells) is also Mare’s agent. I could live with Mare, of course still rather have Vinateri

Then where are his highlights? Who has he shut down? What teams were desperate to make him a starter?

I honestly went through a ton of articles on the guy. There was general praise, although nobody talked about him as anything more than a solid backup. But every single mention of him in a game has been negative. When a 4th year veteran has to be replaced by a rookie because he can’t handle the bull-rush, that’s a guy who will never be a quality starter in the NFL.

He has started alot of games, but he has never been 1st string. Because he plays all 4 positions, he got the nod as a backup. But nobody thought of him as anything more.

Grantp,

Then BP is an idiot. That is the only conclusion that can be drawn if this guy is a such an obvious slug. Seems to me the film would have exposed his many weaknesses, unless our coaching staff just moved on a hunch without reviewing film. Doesn’t seem likely IMO.

Post 86 – Scotty,

Yes my 3 and ahalf year old could have caught that (because he’s too young to understand pressure situations). You’re right about me, I may have had trouble with all the pressure, but I doubt it as it was a VERY easy catch to make. I’m not a Campbell basher. I liked what he contributed as a leader and a blocker, but I am not going to give anyone credit for making a play that they are paid 6 figures to make. It’s not like it was a finger tip catch. The ball was lobbed and he was at a very slow jog when he caught it. He’s not a lineman, he’s a tight end. Their job is to block and catch.

But, OK. I’ll give him credit for catching it for one reason. He has hands of stone and that would make it hard for anyone to catch the ball. So good for him.

No. BP is one of the best coaches in the history of the game. He’s the one who says “Performance is everything, and potential is nothing”.
That doesn’t change the fact that he has made some bonehead signings in his career and I think this is a terrible one – especially if it means we can’t afford to really upgrade our O-Line, get a pass-rusher, and sign a good kicker.

Performance may be the big indicator for BP as it should be. But BP having been a former GM understands as well as anyone that the salary cap also means something. There is what Cambell offers to the team and then there is what he is worth. Obviously BP and Jones didn’t think he was worth what he was offered by Detroit. Personally I don’t hink Cambell was such a big loss. We need to get better at TE. We have some youngsters on the roster at the position, lets see if getting them more playing time makes us better.

Grantp:
This past season Kosier had more time to focus in a single position, LG, and he played pretty good, earlier in his career he was being moved from RG to RT to LT to LG, at that point he was viewed as a career backup, now he was pursued by more than 10 teams because they believed that he could make a jump, I just believe that they know more than all of us.

BTW, those 10 teams weren’t made available, his agent mentioned the interest of ten teams, he didn’t mentioned names, just that his client wanted to be in Dallas.

Just saw McGinist signed a deal with Cleveland. What the hell is going on here? Were we not interested in him or what? We need to bring in Vin and trade for Walker, plus sign TO to a 1yr heavily incentive laden contract.

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