Round Two Begins

Not that we were interested in him, but David Givens gone to the Titans 5 yrs, 24 mil, 8 mil signing bonus.

Cash:
Won’t write my answer on a post that’s 6 posts back, so I’ll write it here, I remember those 2 sacks, they came on bull rushs with the 2nd team Tackle lined up. I don’t need to mention that a bull rush against a good OLineman that expects that move finishes with the rusher’s back on the grass, right?

Parcells comments on him could have 2 meanings, also, they would mean that he has indeed progressed and could be ready for a bigger role, but those could also mean that the diference between the guy at the time of those commments and the guy that was drafted was so big that he saw that he needed to give him his props, take that as a grain of salt.

I’m not ready to trust in him, he could be a good player, but we don’t have evidences on him, just like we don’t have evidences on Burnett and I don’t need to mention that Ayodele was signed because…

There seems to be some serious gamesmanship going on between Philadelphia and Dallas.

Even if we want to sign TO and then cut KJ, we canâ€â"¢t cut KJ until Philly cuts TO.

Until they cut TO, we canâ€â"¢t know for sure whether or not we can get him, which means we canâ€â"¢t afford to lose KJ.

I think Philly will hold TO until the last possible second, which will force us to eat KJâ€â"¢s $1M bonus.

I hate TO, but I hate losing KJ almost as much.

Chandus,

Couldn’t find the post your talkin to cash about but I assume your talkin about Singleton???

T.O. will be a Bronco next season.

Trust me.

No, about Thornton. Cash and some other guys have alot of faith on him, I would like to, but I wouldn’t bet a single peso (nearly 10 cents of a dollar).

Dante is now a Dolphin !

They got Daunte for a 2nd round draft pick, might be a steal ?

there is some breaking news about TO on the ranchreport.com, dont have a subscription so i cant read it, does anyone know what this is about

Jeff,

It’s all hype. There can’t be any breaking news unless the Eagles have released him or somebody has traded for him. Both would have to clear the league office and would be on the news wires by now.

Dallas can’t touch him unless they want to send draft picks to Philly. Otherwise, it’s tampering (and remember the hissy fit the Eagles threw when Jerry merely talked about T.O. a few weeks ago.)

It’s nothing but hype.

I think its just about the Eagles were asking for a 3rd round pick, now they will release TO after there was little interest, and that Key is owed the bonus today and could be released.

I think its def a steal for the Dolphins if hes healthy*. They have a young RB, a decent line, and a good WR in Chambers. I really like this for the Dolphins, Minny must really trust Brad Johnson, I wouldnt.

Chandus,

Good luck finding a post where I said anything about Thornton. The guy has proven nothing but that he’s brittle.

Chandus,

I was one of the guys that agreed with Cash and brought up the two sacks in a row. I also said I knew it was preseason. I also know it was against 2nd string, but what does that really mean? If second string players were that bad, why don’t more LBs get two sacks in a row during preseason? Can you name anyone else who’s done that…even in the 4th quarter? Does that make him the next superstar? Of course not. But it does count for something; especially considering he did that with the injury to his knee. He was injured before that game and was trying to play through it. That shows a lot of heart and determination to be something IMO.

Also, I never claimed to have “a lot of faith” in him. I said I think he has a lot of potential. Potential doesn’t equate to production. I’m HOPEFUL and I think he can do well, but I also know he hasn’t proven anything yet. I’m not in favor of ignoring the LB position because of the potential of someone like Thornton or Burnett. I was just trying to point out that I felt you were unfair in your evaluation of him. How much have you seen of him? For all we know Thornton could be this year’s Bradie James. He could also be this years Willie Blade. No one knows and that’s why I wrote what I did. You were writing as if he was a piece of crap that had no business on the football field except to act as a moving obstacle. You weren’t one of the many James haters last year were you???

Well Cash, if it wasn’t you, it was someone else that started the discussion. Sorry if I used your name incorrectly.

Culpepper could be a steal but I am not 100% sold on him. Since Moss left he had no one to make acrobatic catches on his off target passes. Year before last he led the league with 18 fumbles. Still I guess he is worth a second round pick. Especially to a QB less team like Miami. Time will tell.

Here’s my wish on the whole TO question. We sign him to a one year deal, then trade him to Cleveland for a 2nd round + 5th round pick. wouldn’t that tick off the Iggles!!!

Chandus,

It was Fighter 15 and myself.

This years draft is going to be fun. Alot of the teams drafting ahead of us has already filled their needs thru free agency. We may get lucky and have a top 10 player fall to us. If not, I say we trade down and get more value picks.

Also, I think we should still consider signing Chris Hope then we can be very picky during the upcoming draft.

Drew Brees is a Saint !

Kitna signed with Detroit. I don’t know if that means they don’t draft a QB or not though.

Yes, I truly believe a top ten propect will fall right on our lap and I have a feeling the propect is Greenway, and we will and should pass on him. 16 reps for a LB is he for real

I also have a hard time believing that Green in AZ would pass on a QB with the kind of talent we know Young has and the supposed talent that Cutler might have.

But what it Vince Young get pass arizona,cleveland and baltimore and land on 18, we take him all trade down?

So now how far will Vince Young fall??? Would we be interested if he fell to say the 12-14 range?

Rafael:

I was just thinking the same thing about Brees and the Saints. It will be interesting to see the new mock drafts after this. Keep in mind also that Detroit just signed Kitna today and they still haven’t released Harrington, so who knows if they will need a QB either. Of course with Matt Millen you never know.

I hope everyone who looks at that Philly site you put the link to notices that on the poll the most votes are going to “I hope he goes to the Dallas Cowboys so he can ruin their franchise too”.

I can’t stand Eagles fans, classless losers, but I trust their judgement on that issue.

Funny story I read a few months ago. The week T.O. first said the team would be undefeated with Brett Favre at QB he was held out of the Eagles/Redskins game at FedEx because he was “injured”. An Eagles fan showed up at FedEx with a #81 jersey and got beat up…not by Redskins fans…but by EAGLES FANS. That should tell you a lot about T.O. and also about Eagles fans. They were made for each other, IMHO.

Hey Aaron Rogers, who was suppose to be a #1 overall pick fell all the way to Green Bay at pick 24. I think it might happen with Vince Young, after all the negative press and teams needing a QB filling the roster in FA

mawae to the titans

I doubt that both QB’s will fall too far. More likely that another team will trade up to make sure they get one.

I could see either the Jets or Saints or 49ers wanting to trade down really bad to get more picks. Maybe one of the teams around #18 or below will give up some picks to leapfrog over the pack to get themselves a player that was considered Top 10 before Free Agency started.

I thought Mawae said he wanted to play for a Super Bowl contender??

He must have a lot of faith in the Titans. I don’t get that one at all.

My guess is that New England and Dallas didn’t show much interest in Mawae, so he took the best deal available.

I’d like everyone’s response!!
I’ve been sitting back, being patient, and watching what is taking place and it seems like we are taking a step backward this year. I can not understand how Washington can do what it is doing. We need an expert to explain to us how it is Washington can sign LLoyd, Archuleta, and Randel El to monster contracts with cap.
Carolina has also done a great job. They are doing he things I would have liked us to do which is improve their DL and OL. I juust cant see Kosier as a starter but we gave him starter money. I think he is extremely valuable as your first back up who can play 4 spots but as a starter? Maybe BP sees him as a fill in starter knowing we have 3 aging and sometimes injured guys is Rivera, Allen, and Adams. He would be valuable in that manner. Otherwise, we need to improve our OL and be able to ram it down people’s throats. Especially now with Washington putting together a scary offense. We need to keep th4e ball away from that offense. A safety now becomes more important as well. They now have 3 guys that can get deep. If we can improve our pass rush , we can negat4e their speed but we need another pass rusher and a safety and we need to improve our OL or a great kicker will not even matter.
What are we doing? There are still people out there but I need to see something. It does not appear we are interested in Hope..but why? C. Woodson at FS? Draft? We are going to need a good one who plays the ball in the air.

Cash:
Sorry, my cables went short circuit and wrote the first name I remembered reading back in the discussion I had with Blitz and Fighter.

Blitz:
You said it yourself, Thornton hasn’t shown anything more than a couple of sacks against a 2nd stringer, even in College you’d have a hard time finding anything good about the guy. Then you look at Burnett, the guy was a legitimate big timer at Tennessee and look at him now, he’s expected to be a backup at ILB or OLB, why? Because Parcells doesn’t wants to be caught with his pants down again, what if he comes down injured again? It wouldn’t be nothing new. Maybe Thornton doesn’t progress any further, do you want another season with limited play from the bookend of Ware? That’s why I’m opposed to trust him, if Parcells is willing to sit a College big time player with all the talent in the World, what does that says for a player that hasn’t shown talent in either College or in the NFL?

This FA period may pay dividends to the Cowboys far beyond their own participation. It may be that the 18th pick will, in effect, end up being as good as a top ten, maybe even top five, pick.

biotrek:
In a Draft filled with speed rushers and safeties don’t you think that Dallas is doing the right thing?

Where Dallas isn’t doing the right thing is when they wait for Vinatieri to rethink that it would be better for him to retire as Patriot…

The Giants have signed R.W. McQuarters

The RanchReport is reporting that the Chiefs have decided to offer Owens a multi-year deal. This is a change of course because recently the trade negotiations with Philly broke down because the Chiefs were only willing to give him a 1 year deal.

It is unclear whether the Chiefs are still willing to trade a second day pick for Owens or are simply waiting until he is cut before making the offer. If they wait until he is cut, the Chiefs will have to battle the Cowboys in a bidding war, or so says the RanchReport…..

BTW, in the Patriots game subject I writed the reasons for why do I want McGinest, didn’t received any answers so I’ll repost it:

Iâ€â"¢m not saying that I want him at SSLB for all of the snaps, I want him there sharing the ball just like the DLine last season, first posession – 1st unit goes in, second posession – 2nd unit. Thatâ€â"¢s why Drafting another OLB high makes sense for me.

3-4 1st Unit:
RDE – Canty
NT – Ferguson
LDE – Spears
WSLB – Ware
WILB – James
SILB – Ayodele
SSLB – McGinest

3-4 2nd Unit:
RDE – Ellis
NT – Johnson (or someone else)
LDE – Ratliff
WSLB – Burnett
WILB – James/Singleton
SILB – Ayodele/Singleton
SSLB – Carpenter (or Wimbley)

And thatâ€â"¢s the definition of a 3-4 Defense that could be a top unit.

BTW, nobody needs to point out that Iâ€â"¢m not mentioning Lawson, me not mentioning itâ€â"¢s based on solid ground, Lawson hasnâ€â"¢t practiced as OLB because he wants to play DE in a 4-3 and he could, Wimbley on the other hand has been practicing OLB and DE and is looking good.

Let’s hear what you think of it.

biotrek:

It’s ok. Don’t worry. The Redskins offense is really not that scary. Their new WR’s are not that great. Randle-El is a name, but he hasn’t done all that much, mostly gadget plays. Lloyd is good, but hardly great. Moss won’t be sneaking up on anyone this year. It doesn’t matter anyway, because they have Brunell at QB. Can he do what he did last year again? I doubt it. I doubt if he will even be their starter after their 8th game.

Besides, the Raiders consistently have the best WR’s in the NFL year in and year out. What has it won them? The last time they won the SB it was because of Marcus Allen, not their WR’s.

Besides, we have one of the best young secondaries in the NFL. We handled the Lions and Cardinals on defense pretty easily last year. The Cards had the number one passing offense in the league last season, too. We’ll also see if Portis can stay healthy a full year too, because they have no quality depth at RB.

Chandus:

I’d be for McGinest as a mentor to Ware and the other young OLB’s and for 1st team/2nd team situations like you mentioned. He would be kind of like Richie Anderson was for the RB’s a few years ago. Almost like a player/assistant coach.

Landing him would be very helpful, but not my first priority from the Pats roster. The first priority above all others should be signing Adam Vinatieri, IMHO.

With Brees in NO, I’d expect the saints to try to trade down. The question is to where. And what player would they target? OLine and DE are two relative strengths for NO. That would likely reduce their interest in Dbrick and Super Mario. I suppose they drop down to maybe 6-8 and get Hawk or Davis. But do the Niners, Raiders or Bills want to trade up to #2? I doubt the Bills would as they have Losman. Niners have Alex Smith. I could see the Raiders possibly trading up.

On another subject, if somehow Cutler or Vince Young drops to 18, do we take our latest “QB of the Future”? I’d have to say the value would be there and it would be an interesting consideration.

T.O. NEWS
RanchReport is reporting Rosenhouse has called the Cowboys to see if they would better the Chiefs multiyear deal for T.O.

McGinest would be a nice pick up for the right price.He would be a situational player & a mentor to the younger LB`s. To me this is worth no more than a 2 mil signing bonus. It would be nice to have him but this is not top priority. Cap money must be spent wisely.

Which reminds me . Where is our Kicker ? Please sign Venatieri so I can relax.

Ridgelake:

The Vikings now have another 2nd round pick, perhaps they will try to package some picks together to move up and take Cutler or Young.

Don’t rule out the Cardinals either. Even though they re-signed Warner he is getting older and has a history of injuries.

The 49ers would probably be happy to trade down for more picks too since they took a high 1st round QB last year and are in the rebuilding process.

Ridgelake:
No, if one of those 2 guys is there at 18th the value for trading down would be much higher, I still see OLB and OLine as higher priorities, along with NT, FS and TE. If Dallas gets another 3rd or 2nd, then Croyle, Whitehurst, Jacobs, Pinegar and others become serious targets. Bledsoe has at least another 2 good years in him, that would give those QBs time to develop.

Biotrek,

Carolina is simply treading water. They’ve lost more players than just about anybody.

And what’s with this urge to match the Redskins signing for signing. Last I checked, Pittsburgh won the Super Bowl, not the Redskins. And Pittsburgh did it with a team made almost exclusively of draft picks.

Washington, as was noted in a thread yesterday, is going completely the other way, stocking their team with free agents.

How many starters did Washington get on draft day 2005? They got Carlos Rogers.

Dallas got Spears, Ware, Canty and Petitti. Barber and Ratliff were quality role players. And that’s leaving Burnett and Beriault completely out of the equation.

I think things even out in time.

If Vince Young is still available at #18 I would hope the Cowboys take him.

Ridgelake:
If Cutler or Vince fall to 18, (very big IF) either should be immediate starter, ala eli.
Also they would make the O-line good as is. MOBILITY.

Chandus, I agree that Oline and OLB are higher priorities than developmental QB.

But the scenario is a little like last year with Rogers falling to Green Bay. No one ever thought that would happen, especially GB. I’m sure going into the draft taht they were looking a different way. But their “QB of the future” fell to them and they moved on it. Does Dallas do the same this year?

As of now, I expect Dallas to go OLB at pick 18. Lawson, Carpenter, or Greenway. Yes, I think Lawson would play 3-4 OLB even if he has been only doing DE drills. He started out as a LB in college.

Anyway, if Cutler or VY falls to 18, I’d be curious to see what Dallas does.

Ridgelake:
I almost forgot, Isn’t Drew the QB of our future, Henson, Drew Henson.
btw is making progress in NFLE?

Off the point but Mike Mayock on nfl network is now comparing Wimbley to Ware and Merriman and claims he is not going to be around long. This is the same guy that, and one of the only ones that liked Ware a lot more than Merriman

sorry…..“he”

Ridgelake,

I think if any QB fell to 18 it wouldn’t be Cutler. Remember Oakland still does not have a QB and Arizona let McCown go and are sittin on the ancient Warner. I think both of those teams will be snatching up a QB. Minnesota now needs a QB and they pick in front of us. I think the only way we come up with one of those guys is to trade up into the 12-14 range. I think the Titans will pick up on Lienart and the Jets will take Cutler. Beyond that is where the question marks abound…

Chandus,

When did I EVER say I wanted him for a starting bookend to Ware???? Tell me where I wrote that because I’ll have to investigate the possibility that I was abducted or something. I know what I said do you? Did you read everything or just what you wanted to? I said I was HOPEFUL he could fulfill his potential, but potential does not equal production. I also said I did not want to ignore the LB position just because we have Thornton. I’ve been one of the biggest supporters of bringing in McGinest and/or Carpenter. I don’t care if they keep Thornton, put him on the practice squad or cut him as long as they have depth at the position. I was simply saying NO ONE knows if this guy is good or bad and you were making a statement that basically said he sucks to someone who was asking about him. I’m not saying you’re wrong, I’m just saying you MAY be wrong. The odds are in your favor that you’re not, but you don’t know for sure.

T.O. released today as reported on NFL.com. Let the games begin. Just hope they are not head games.

any news on Keyshawn and his bonus?

Chandus – post #38

I like your rotation scheme a lot. The fresher we can keep everyone, the more devestating our D will be. I know you don’t like Thornton, but what do you think about Fowler or Shanle in the rotation if they choose to cut Singleton? They both made mistakes last year, but they both did some good things as well. It would be good to get at least one of them more experience here and there in case injuries hit us again this year.

As far as Lawson, I live in NC State country and I’d love to have him on the team, but you’re right. He has stated that he would rather not play OLB and prefers DE. Therefore, we need to start considering Wimbley more than him.

Thanks for the responses. I definately do not want to match Washington with their spending and trade away the future but I also cant understand how they can do it. Can you? Do you remember when Gibbs was in the League before with the Smurfs? He did have an impressive offense and Randel El and Lloyd may not be great on their own but I can see them all being damn good when combined with Moss and his offense.
I guess I am most dissapointed right now simply because I thought we could do more. I thought Kameato was worth the price Carolina paid.
I still think we have a few positions to improve.
FS, OLB, NT, and our OL
We may be ok at NT but I dont trust Fergusan and Pepper Johnson. I’d like one more NT. Our OL needs another player or 2.

Eagles have cut TO.

Mickey Spags reporting on the Ticket that Boys will release Keyshawn.

cannot imagine cutting key w/o a plan. expect TO

No not KJ. That sucks !

Say hello to TO !!!

The Cowboys have released Keyshawn according to AP sources.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOo!! KJ is one of my favorite ‘boys. I don’t care what anyone says, he is a player. Damnit. Jerry, please just listen, no TO. It is that simple. I can’t take it anymore. All you who want TO are going to get what you asked for, just like the Iggles fans. I’m spent!

JJ is letting his ego get the best of him. Letting KJ go just so he can one up Daniel Snyder is ludicrous. We still don’t have a kicker!!! I’m going to be sick.

Wow!! I hope this is just to re-sign Key to a better cap friendly contract, but I doubt it. I wasn’t a Key fan until I watched him play for Dallas. He is a real team player, great blocker, and clutch receiver.

Thanks for the responses. I definately do not want to match Washington with their spending and trade away the future but I also cant understand how they can do it. Can you? Do you remember when Gibbs was in the League before with the Smurfs? He did have an impressive offense and Randel El and Lloyd may not be great on their own but I can see them all being damn good when combined with Moss and his offense.
I guess I am most dissapointed right now simply because I thought we could do more. I thought Kameato was worth the price Carolina paid.
I still think we have a few positions to improve.
FS, OLB, NT, and our OL
We may be ok at NT but I dont trust Fergusan and Pepper Johnson. I’d like one more NT. Our OL needs another player or 2.

Let’s go KC!! Be the big spenders I know you can be!

I thought that would happen we still need to draft a wr if TO comes or not.

Sorry for the double post. This sure is interesting. I’m confused. We either sign TO or re sign KJ….right? KC is still in the running arent they?

I am not finding any links yet that Key got cut….

Re-Sign KJ is my vote. I wonder if KJ has been talking to other teams and we’ll lose him anyway, TO or no TO.

TO , Trent Green is not gay and never tires in the 4th. Just the kind of QB you’ve dreamed of! Also, Larry Johnson claimed to give up 20 carries a game to add passes your direction. You all will get along wonderfully.

If KJ is cut it must mean that Parcells has great confidence in Crayton — and sees an upside to Copper.

Ridgelake
the ranchreport has it on their front page. You gotta be a subscriber to see what they had to say

The Ticket just said KJ has been released by the Cowboys.

biotrek: Don’t despair. Their are going to be a lot of good values left in free agency once Snyder and the others squandering money are done.

mlf: KJ is under contract to us. The only question is whether we want to pay the $1 million roster bonus. I certainly hope so. Let the Chiefs try to deal with TO’s ego and frustration when he realizes how much money he lost by leaving the Iggles.

actually you don’t have to be a subscriber to the post they put in their front page.

Here’s a link from scout.com saying Cowboys released Keyshawn

http://cowboys.scout.com/2/508645.html

KJ is no longer under contract with us apparently.

dallas morning news confirmed as well

http://www.cowboysplus.com/topstorync/stories/031506cpkeyshawn.2589bbbe.html

Keyshawn is gone.

and cutting KJ does seem to point to Dallas telling TO that it is serious with making a run at him….

Yhe third team to interview Hope better be the cowboys.

Does anyone think the Cowboys might have any interest in Javon Walker? I know he wants to be traded out of Green Bay.

From the Star-Telegram.com:

Cowboys release Keyshawn Johnson
By CLARENCE E. HILL JR.
STAR-TELEGRAM STAFF WRITER

IRVING — Receiver Keyshawn Johnson has been released by the Cowboys, making him an unrestricted free agent.

Johnson is a due $1 million roster bonus by 3 p.m. He was informed by owner Jerry Jones at about 2:30 p.m. of the teamâ€â"¢s decision to not pay the bonus and release him.

â€Å"Itâ€â"¢s a business,” Johnson said. â€Å"I am thankful they brought me here. I feel good. I get a chance to be a free agent for the first time. If you want a receiver that is going to get it done. I am available.”

Johnson, who will represent himself in free agency, said Jones told him that the Cowboys would consider re-signing him once he tested the market and determined his value. Johnson said he would give the Cowboys an opportunity to do so.

A 10-year veteran, Johnson caught 141 passes and 12 touchdowns the past two years for the Cowboys.

He led the Cowboys in receptions in 2005 with 71 catches.

We will certainly miss KJ. Big mistake! He blocked better than our RT.

We couldn’t pay our most clutch player 2.5% of the available salary!

http://dallascowboys.com/news.cfm?id=FA8CA050-E070-AA86-60F4AA9780C8C00C

Whats up Guys? I visit this place alot but just now decided to sign up. These guys are doing an amazing job.

All I can say is that WElcome Owens. We didnt cut KJ just to save 1 mil.

GOOD OR BAD, I FEEL A BIG BANG COMING!! IM SORRY TO SEE KJ GO!! HE WAS MORE OF A COWBOY THEN T.O. WILL EVER BE

Maginest is gone

The Browns are talking to him and he loves his old coach Romeo

I’m sad to see KJ go. Crayton better get his game face on.

I’m not sad about KJ being cut. One thing is I hope we try and get Walker, two the young guys get to play more three we draft a Wr or four we get TO.

Goodbye KJ. I didn’t like the trade for you at the time but you made a believer out of me. Good luck in Free Agency.

Great, while we are screwing around with prima-donna, head case TO, and cutting KJ to boot, another needed FA like McGinest is signing with ANOTHER team. I think the Jones boys have their heads stuck somewhere. Maybe they are still smarting from the CBA negotiations. With Jerry so deep into those discussions, maybe Stephen should get the blame for NOT being prepared. Someone dropped the ball.

Just wait, we’ll wind up with TO and probably Charles Woodson for our FS….This may be BP’s last year. I can’t think of any other explanation, unless someone in the front office has lost their mind.

Thank you Chris mortenson (a$$hole)

I personally like the fact we are being fiscally smart so far. They only dropped the ball if they have really wanted someone and didn’t get them. I’m not sure I know of a time that has happened to Jones.

Now that KJ is gone, that can only mean one thing… If it’s not T.O. then I really think BP and JJ have gone mad. Baggage aside, I don’t see another receiver currently on the market that has the talent that T.O. has.

They really must think signing T.O. is a sure thing to let KJ go. No disrespect to Crayton and Copper, but they’re not #1 receivers yet.

Did anyone ever think that BP might just know what he’s doing?

Ever think that maybe the ‘Boys don’t want those players?

If they visit, they’re usually signed.

My guess is that they are not wanted.

Also, don’t be so sure that KJ won’t come back. Both JJ & KJ stated that upon determining his value in FA, that the ’Boys may very well be interested.

JUST A THOUGHT,MAYBE,IF WE DO SIGN T.O.,DONT YOU THINK HE WOULD BE ON HIS BEST BEHAVIOR AND TRY TO PROVE EVERYONE WRONG? HE HAS NOTHING TO GAIN BY BEING AN A-S AND HE WOULD KILL THE EAGLES.AND HE KNOWS HIS WINDOW TO DO THIS IS WINDING DOWN.IM JUST TRYING TO LOOK ON THE BRIGHT SIDE.

Copper and Crayton will never be a #1 reciever, Crayton looks like a decent 2nd and Copper at best a 3rd. If David Gives can get 5 years, 24 mil, KJ should get a decent market value, although I still want him back.

lou c
We don’t know what copper and crayton can be they are going into there third year. Crayton is the only Wr on the team last year that showed he could do something after he caught the ball.

Crayton showed nothing after the injury, and before that he showed he could be a good 3rd reciever in the slot who a LB cant cover. Problem is, when he was on the field with Glenn as the only 2 wideouts, he did nothing. They can be solid recievers, but not a #1, I’m not saying we need a #1, but if you think they will be on the same level as a Chad Johnson, Randy Moss, TO, Harrison etc, theres no way and everyone knows it. If those guys were that good you would have seen them playing more.

Manster,
I hope you are right. I should calm down and see how it all plays out. I’m just afraid that JJ and company have been playing too conservative.

lou c
Like I said before Crayton is going into this third year he was playing well before he got hurt. I look at Crayton and he can become a Ward or a Mason for us. A lot of WRs have slow starts to their careers. I still like for us to draft Chad Jackson or is it Johnson.

I heard a report on nfl network that Keyshawn is willing to let the Boys match any offer he gets.

ok brees goes to the saints. the saints trade picks with the jets then we trade up to the 4th pick and take ferguson.put him at left tackle and move adams to the other side.