Key Decisions Upcoming on Kicker, T.O. and Johnson
-- Update: The Cincinnati Enquirer claims that Titans LB Rocky Boiman might visit Dallas next week if his hometown Bengals don't sign him first. The four year veteran is a versatile backup who played all three LB positions for Tennessee. He is also a capable special teams player. He would likely put Ryan Fowler and Scott Shanle on the bubble -- assuming he ever made it to Dallas. He seemed enthused about returning home to Cincinnati.
-- Adam Schefter of NFL.com says the Seahawks anticipate the Cowboys signing restricted free agent K Josh Brown to an offer sheet.
-- The Packers get their interview with Adam Vinatieri today and understand they will have to significantly outbid the Patriots for his services.
-- Cost may be a reason Dallas is eyeing Josh Brown. The Providence Journal claims Vinatieri wants a deal averaging more than $3 million per season.
-- The T.O. sweepstakes could be extensive. No team seems willing to express open interest in the free agent receiver. Chiefs' coach Herman Edwards said Wednesday his team had no plans to contact Owens.
-- Meanwhile, Keyshawn Johnson is trying to drum up interest. The Charlotte Observer quotes Keyshawn as being interested in playing with the Panthers. Johnson called Panthers OC Dan Henning the best OC he ever played for. Henning ran the Jets offense while Johnson was in New York.
-- Keyshawn also expressed interest in playing for the Patriots.
The same article claims New England may have interest in Eagles RT Jon Runyan but would not attempt to schedule a visit until Runyan returns from the Caribbean. (Lots of NFL folks are on vacation right now.)
-- -- Johnson also told the NFL Network he could see himself re-signing with the Cowboys.
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As I mentioned in another post, I believe JJ and BP have a master plan in place. From the outside we as fans are looking at free agency like we are missing out on players. These players are only players that we as fans and the media say the Cowboys should be interested in. We never heard this from JJ or BP. Stephen Jones said they are ready for free agency, he never said that they would break the bank and sign everyone in the first couple of days, putting themselves in salary cap hell like Danny boy did. Remember those days, when our hands were tied. Jerry remembers too. Again, us as armchair QB’s are freking, thinking the ONLY vet kicker left is Vin. Maybe that was never in JJ and BP’s plans. Josh Brown is a major upgrade to last year, and will cost significantly less than Vin. Do I want to see us sign some players quickly, yes. Will I lose any more sleep over it, I hope not! Have a great day all.
by mgg on Mar 16, 2006 3:27 AM CST reply actions
Adam Schefter’s BrAngelina joke made me vomit. Can we just sign Owens already. And that Seattle kicker too.
by Luke. on Mar 16, 2006 3:38 AM CST reply actions
Interesting scenario- Key has said he feels he may be back with Dallas. he comes back and gets the best deel he can. Does that mean we still can’t sign TO? I know , with Jerry’s ego, and Bill’s ego, and Key’s ego, and TO’s ego, There’s no way it could work-or could it? If antone could pull this off, Jerry can. From the outside, it looks like we have too many WR’s. Remember, Glenn has a history of not making it through a season. It seems in the past, every time we lose one of our WR’s to injury, our backups have been inadequate at best and our season was down the tubes. Maybe these are just some crazy thoughts at 4 AM but wouldn’t this be the BIG BANG we are all anticipating?
by mgg on Mar 16, 2006 3:39 AM CST reply actions
Alright guys, can we please cool it a bit with this ‘Big Bang’ thing? It’s nothing more than a theory in astronomy about the universe originating from a singular cosmic explosion … or something like that.
So moving on, I heard Schefter on NFL Network tonight and he seems to think the announcement of T.O. signing with Dallas will be a mere formality. Almost made it sound like it was a match made in heaven. Kind of ironic to place T.O. and anything heavenly in the same thought, don’t you think?
Speaking of T.O., Keyshawn was on Sirius satellite radio today speaking his mind as Keyshawn is known to do. Pretty interesting stuff if you missed it. He said he doesn’t blame the Cowboys if they sign T.O. Showed no resentment whatsoever. Said he understands he doesn’t deserve T.O. money but again, it’s never what he was looking for. Most interesting thing I thought was Keyshawn saying he really doesn’t understand this notion that he couldn’t play alongside T.O. Said he would have no problem making less money and catching less balls as the number two guy, that he just wants to win. Still think Keyshawn, Glenn and Moulds is our best option, but if Keyshawn is willing…
Ok, so I realize it’s near blasphemy for many on this blog to mention any kicker but Adam V., but it’s about time Josh Brown’s name was brought up. This guy is only 26, meaning he’ll be much cheaper than the veterans (one of the few positions where that’s the case) and if worthy, he could be our kicker for years to come. The dude is pretty much nails from inside 40 yards, which would have been enough in itself for me last year. He’s only missed three from inside 40 his entire career (one each season) and has never missed inside 30. Heck, he beat us last year. And what would it take to pry him from the Seahawks? A seventh-round pick? What are we waiting for?
Lastly, this Willie McGinest thing. He was on NFL Network tonight and said a couple things I found mighty interesting. I didn’t know this, but apparently his first visit was supposed to be with the Cowboys. He wasn’t specific as to why things changed, just kind of blamed it on his agent. He also said he called Parcells before signing with the Browns to discuss the situation with him, stating the specifics of the deal and letting Parcells know he felt very welcomed in Cleveland. It was almost as if he was asking for Parcells’ permission to sign or something. After all this, McGinest said the conversation ended with Parcells telling him Cleveland was the best place for him. Obviously ol’ Bill didn’t think McGinest being on our roster next season was a matter of playoffs or no playoffs.
Wait, I get it now. The Big Bang thing? A singular explosion among us? Sounds like T.O. is coming to Dallas, folks.
by Parcells Guy In Training on Mar 16, 2006 4:52 AM CST reply actions
Parcells Guy in training, great post. My last two posts I was really trying to convey the same message, but you made it much clearer than I ever could have. Maybe it’s the lack of sleep!
by mgg on Mar 16, 2006 5:24 AM CST reply actions
Josh Brown? I thought Parcells said that a kicker needed to make 85% of his FGs? Brown made 72% last year.
Why are we being so cheap? Are we the Philadelphia Cowboys now? Is Adam Vinitieri going to handcuff our salary cap for years? This is BS.
by Playmaker on Mar 16, 2006 6:25 AM CST reply actions
Mcginnest…gone
Hope…gone(probably not considered anyway)
Most kickers…gone
we need a plan B of sorts:
K go ahead and sign Josh brown and see if the hawks match it. do it quick so that we don’t lose AV if they do match.
OT sign Fabini. yes he is missing some tread but we sould still take him and draft an OT. The key with Fabini is he gives us insurance on Flozell. Fabini has been playing LOT. If Flo were to go down again, god forbid, he would step in and NOT Tucker. Until then he is ROT.
OLB Singleton is the man here. Not flashy but steady. We all seemed to notice when he got hurt last year by the drop off in performance. Then, draft a OLB for grooming.
FS Marcus Coleman as a stop gap. And draft a FS, maybe Bullocks
by J-MAN on Mar 16, 2006 6:33 AM CST reply actions
I want to see some action.
We need to spend some money. We can still sign TO, AV, Fabini, and Ashworth. What is the hold up?
And meanwhile, we’ve lost Fujita, Glover, Campbell, and Key.
I understand that you have to break a few eggs to make an omelet, but we have yoke spilling all over the kitchen and a couple of chefs just staring at each other. Geeezz. It has to get better soon, right?
by madcowboy on Mar 16, 2006 7:23 AM CST reply actions
looking at stats,which I know can be misleading, it looks like K Brown would be on hell of an upgrade from what we dealt with last year.
Brown lifetime has a 78.8% on FG, has only missed one PAT in 145 tries Has never missed inside the 30, Missed 3 times tween 30-39 and is over 50% from over 50 7 of 12. Adam Vinatieri is just under 50%,8 of 17, on over 50 yards. Kickoffs went for 60.6 yards
Last year combined for the Cowboys our kickers had 1 miss inside 30,3 misses from 30-39,4 from 40-49 and missed a PAT in 39 attempts. KO yardage averaged around 62
by shoop on Mar 16, 2006 7:43 AM CST reply actions
shoop,
Do you know what Brown’s stats were between 40-49? Just curious because you left that out.
Thanks.
by Blitzkreig on Mar 16, 2006 8:27 AM CST reply actions
I found this site a few days ago when free agency started and am posting for the first time. You guys are awesome. All Cowboys, all the time. What could be better?
I understand the need for a K. I’m OK with anyone that wasn’t on last year’s roster. Our first priority still should be RT. The Boys face a lot of second and third & longs because Bledsoe was getting killed back there. If we could sustain drives, give the defense a rest, and actually score touchdowns; a good kicker would be a bonus.
If I have to watch these kickers and Tucker and Pettiti for another year I swear I’m gonna have a stroke.
by illcowboy on Mar 16, 2006 8:48 AM CST reply actions
Jerry termed the Big Bang thing, not us.
Any coincidence that Jerry & Runyan are both in the Carribean?
That t.o. is going to take his time?
That Vinetieri (the best kicker out there) is just now making the rounds?
That Bill is in Sarasota?
That Petersen and Arrington are unsigned?
Everyone involved is letting the market shake out and those that a mutual interest has been established are waiting for the time and place of the Cowboys’ choosing to make the big announcement.
The fact that all those players are gone should be indicative that we were never interested in the first place or at their going price (see McGinnist).
If Jerry and Bill are sitting at the podium announcing the signings of:
- Venitieri
- Petersen
- Runyan
- t.o.
What’s your reaction?
Take some Ritalin, smoke a joint, or have a cocktail. Remember, patience is a virtue.
by Fighter15 on Mar 16, 2006 9:00 AM CST reply actions
You guys can forget peterson and Josh brown. won’t happen. Peterson is a great talent, better in space than anywhere. his problems are when he is at the point of attack and rushing the passer(both issues b/c of his size). THerefore, he isn’t a good fit for the 3-4. Arrington is a better 3-4 fit and would be good if he spends most of his time rushing the passer but as i have said in other posts, i am very wary of his freelancing.
Josh brown….would be a very good pickup. so why hasn’t anyone else picked him up? Because he has a 7th round tender(no biggie there) and Seattle can match any offer for him. Expect seattle to do that unless you sign him to a vinetari type contract in which case you should have gotten vinetari in the first place. All IMO
by J-MAN on Mar 16, 2006 9:14 AM CST reply actions
Oh, and not to just keep throwing cold water around, a very good friend of mine is a Giants fan(i don’t hold it against him). He was quite upset that Philly was letting Runyan go. In his viewing, Strahan has owned runyan. Now runyan is good certainly but maybe he is good against everyone but Strahan, who we face twice a year. I can’t verify this at all but thought i’d pass on the hearsay.
by J-MAN on Mar 16, 2006 9:18 AM CST reply actions
shoop,
I was afraid you were leaving that out because it wasn’t very good so I did some research as well. I don’t know if I’m willing to give up a 7th rounder for Brown. He’s been in the league 3 seasons. His first year his accuracy was 73.3. The next year it was 92. Last year as 72. This does not sound like a consistent kicker to me. If you want to compare Vinatieri, his worst year he hit 73.5. That’s better than 2 or Brown’s 3 years and Adam has been doing this for 10. His next worse season is 77.1% and all the others are 80% and above. I really hope the Cowboys don’t roll the dice on Josh when they still have a shot at Adam.
J-MAN,
Hasn’t Strahan owned just about every OT he’s faced? Personally, I wouldn’t count that too much against Runyan or any other OT.
by Blitzkreig on Mar 16, 2006 9:23 AM CST reply actions
Fighter 15,
I like your thinking, but Peterson’s not coming. Look at Dallas’ linebacking corps right now. Ware is 6’4", 255. Ayodele is 6’2" and either 246 or 251 depending on whose profile you read. James is 6’2", 250.
He’s assembling a BIG front seven, that can play a pure, head up 3-4. That means he’s another big OLB to finish the job. Peterson is 232 and plays better on the weakside. He’s wasting his talent if you make him stand on the LOS and stuff tight ends.
by Rafael Vela on Mar 16, 2006 9:25 AM CST reply actions
Rafael,
I have to agree with you about Peterson. Ayodele and James on the inside will be a solid core, and I can see JJ/BP filling the OLB position in the draft (Carpenter or Greenway, whoever falls to 18) while Singleton and Burnett heal, then letting them compete for the job.
Either way, they know what they’re doing and the front 7 will be big, strong, and YOUNG for the next several years.
Wish they could have figured out a way to keep Glover around for another year or two though, if for no other reason than to beat up on Canty and Spears in practice and show them what it takes to be a DT in the NFL.
by Big & Rich on Mar 16, 2006 9:35 AM CST reply actions
I am as anxious as anyone for news of signings.
But think about it, what teams are we hearing about mostly? Those that stunk mainly (’cept for the foreskins). They have several positions that they need to address but are sinking money into just a few players. In other words, they have to generate excitement and sell tickets (see Cardinals, Saints, Browns, etc.).
Yes, receiver is glaring at this point. Lack of movement at this point tells me there are plans, and contigency plans in place.
I would be happy with re-signing Key, Crayton is coming along, and then getting another unproven, but potential receiver. That last one would be a must, for bucks, backup for injuries, and the future. These type of players either come from the draft or June cuts from teams that spent for the big timers.
I completely understand your concern about all of the other positions. Other than nosetackle however, I don’t see any of them as hard to fill, nor need for high profile players. That includes O-line, unless we can’t rework Allen’s contract.
We have some studs on this team to work with. I am happy with some role players that simply do their job. A lot can be said for simply following the system.
Yes we have cap room, and we will use a lot of that. Don’t forget however we are underpaying at several positions right now. That can’t last forever, and we didn’t get them by jumping in to fast. You don’t get a good deal by showing your hand. Two of the most important rules of negotiating are don’t let them know how much you need them, and don’t give them the upper hand by having some artificially imposed time table that works to their advantage.
I know not much of this post hasn’t been said by someone already. I have just heard too many reports of excitement at Valley Ranch about being so close for them to now let it pass them by.
by Shane J on Mar 16, 2006 9:36 AM CST reply actions
all San Diego did was ask Shawn Merriman to rush the passer…….they moved him around a bit……..but he went to the pro bowl as a situational pass rushing OLB……who did not even start game 1…….isn’t Levar Arrington capable of the same thing? I saw Merriman get beat in coverage…..
Mix in Burnette who is probably better in pass coverage….but could get pushed around by a Tackle….and you have a nice rotation at OLB…..along with thornton and whoever else makes the team…..
although I ain’t sure Dallas is going to offer Levar….more than they would have offered Willie…..and I think Levar wants more…….however he has a lot of coaches saying he is an athelete…….not a LB or a DE…and he won’t learn to play with discipline inside a system……
that knock may well drop his stock…..and if we can him on the cheap…….as a situational pass rushing OLB…….he still brings respect and fear from the opposing offenses…….
if Robert Mathis and Indy don’t work things out I think he is another option at OLB……
Strahan……well he owned Petitti or Tucker….so much so I thought number 92 was a TE for the cowboys he was in our backfield so much……..Runyan would still be an improvement over those two……strahan or not…..Flo will be back and healthy…….we added a G/T to our rotation in Kosier…..and Petitti, Colombo,Rogers are still on our roster…..adding a vet RT like Fabini or Runyan…..makes a lot of sense…..
by Jon B. on Mar 16, 2006 9:36 AM CST reply actions
Blitzkrieg,
I think you’re being harsh on Brown. He’s missed, what, three kicks in his career under 40 yards? His career average is 79. Vinatieri’s is 81.
The reason Vinatieir and Longwell have better overall averages is that they’re slightly better in kicks in the 40-49 range.
Brown had 8 attempts of over 50 yards last year and made 5. Vinateiri only has 17 attempts at that distance his entire ten year career. This means Brown has a bigger leg.
Yeah, I’d rather have Vinatieri but Brown isn’t dirt.
by Rafael Vela on Mar 16, 2006 9:38 AM CST reply actions
Imagine how good this would be
—-Lawson—-Ayodele—-James—-Ware
by darknight08 on Mar 16, 2006 9:45 AM CST reply actions
I am stuck here in DC surrounded by radio,TV. Newspaper, and louodmouthed fans all cheering the money that Snyder is laying out as they plunder FA. I keep telling myself that there HAS to be a plan. JJ is too good of a businessman to go on friggin vacation in the first week of FA with a Coach tryingto get hislast run in without a plan in place. No way Parcells goes to FL to watch the Grapefruit league while the last years of his coching career come to a close without some plan in place right?
It helps me to sleep at night to think that.
by swirvin on Mar 16, 2006 9:54 AM CST reply actions
Swirvin,
Totally agree !
The plan is in place. BP was at work 5:00am the morning after the last game against the rams. If he is in Fla on vaca it`s primarily because his plan is set.
by Jesse NY on Mar 16, 2006 10:00 AM CST reply actions
For all of you who were interested in Chris Hope, including me, check out John Claytons Insider story today.
Titans signed Hope to a deal with 10M in guarantees that averages 5M a year.
With what we are paying Henry and will soon be paying R. Williams and T. Newman it would have made no sense for us to put that kind of money in out secondary.
There’s just no team in the league (except for maybe the Skins, and S. Taylor’s cap #‘s aren’t too ugly right now) that pays BOTH safeties big money.
We’re looking at a cheap veteran or a 2nd or 3rd rounder here.
by Rob01 on Mar 16, 2006 10:01 AM CST reply actions
What do yall think about about Ko Simpson.
by darknight08 on Mar 16, 2006 10:06 AM CST reply actions
Do Not be surprised if KJ comes back. He wanted more money & an extension. To resign him even to a higher salary would give us more cap room ( for TO ).
TO is coming. I just hope KJ will be back.
With TO, TG & KJ as our receivers withe Witten as tight end & Barber coming out of the backfield as another receiver is awesome. Of course providing DB has enough time to get the pass off. I am sure whatever JJ & BP`s plans are in FA they already are set. All they need to do is work out the numbers & make the announcements.
by Jesse NY on Mar 16, 2006 10:06 AM CST reply actions
Swirvin:
Sleep well, i am sure there is a plan somewhere. I live here in DC too. The fans are delusional. They always win in March b/c they stink at the draft! What many are missing is how balanced the division and league is right now. the skins are squawking about the playoffs. Fine, but they were relatively injury free for most of the year…we were decimated. Let them lose Samuels and Marshall and see how well they do. Injuries make a big difference. Look at Philly, we spanked them when they were at full strength, the skins barely beat them getting six turnovers and playing w/o their QB, RB, CB, WR and many others. This march, they just overspent for a punt returner who now has the best arm on the team. LLoyd wasn’t wanted by his teamates on SF. At least with TO, we’ll have a malcontent with talent. The skins will nose dive next year. You heard it here first!
by J-MAN on Mar 16, 2006 10:08 AM CST reply actions
I can see us drafting WR, OLB, FS in the first three rounds if we pick up RT before the draft. I think we can upgrade at FS in the third round. If we want to upgrade WR in the draft its has to be in the first round not saying it has to be at 18 but it has to be in the first round.
by aw on Mar 16, 2006 10:13 AM CST reply actions
The Josh Brown restricted free agent potential signing got me thinking. How about a RFA wide receiver? I just checked out the list of RFAs at NFL.com and came across a couple of names that might be possible.
Nate Burleson and Kelly Washington. Both have 3rd round tenders, meaning that we would have to give up our 3rd round pick if we sign them. Both have shown good potential, particularly Burleson. Dallas would have to do a full due diligence on these guys, but on the surface, it seems to be a reasonable alternative.
by Ridgelake on Mar 16, 2006 10:23 AM CST reply actions
I think Keyshawn will re-sign. I don’t think anyone wants to pay a 34 year old guy more than the $2.5 million from JJ he turned down before being released.
Contrary to what most of the idiot sports writers think, Key has been a great locker room guy. Most NFL players, TO included, claim that all they want to do is help the team win. What they really mean, however, is that they want to help the team win by putting up massive individual statistics that will inflate their market value. That’s not really “team” thinking, is it?
Keyshawn is not one of those guys. As he said Wednesday, he doesn’t mind sacrificing individual stats for notches in the W column, and he understands his role and value to the team.
I think Key would be good for TO. Nobody has a bigger ego than Keyshawn, not even Owens. But Keyshawn understands that true value comes from making the GREAT plays, not the MOST plays. That helping your team win begins and ends at practice and in the locker room.
Keyshawn is not a kid anymore. He’s a grown man with a wife and kids, and he’s also a budding real-estate mogul and business owner. In contrast, Owens is a child. A child in need of a role model he can relate to. I think the chemistry between those two guys in the locker room, and the respect that kind of receiving tandem would command from their teammates would translate into some great moments for Cowboys fans during the 2006 season.
I hope they sign them both!
by Big & Rich on Mar 16, 2006 10:24 AM CST reply actions
aw,
I dont like any OLB’s in the 2nd round, Carpenter, Lawson, and Wimbley would be gone. If Singelton is kept, we COULD go with a project OLB like Chris Gocong in the 5th, but I dont like any of that. As long as we dont screw up the KJ and TO thing, I see another year not drafting a WR. The Big Bang or big signing could be TO and KJ too. Next year I see us getting the kid from USC anyway, and if Bledsoe is healthy, then get a QB that following offseason, whether sign one or draft one.
I also read we’re bringing in LB Rocky Boihem from the Titans. And here’s how those Redskins get it done: Antwaan Randle El’s base salary for the first 3 years is like 585,000, and then for the next four jumps to 4-5 mil. They will probably dump him after the 3 seasons and have no regrets about it.
by lou c on Mar 16, 2006 10:29 AM CST reply actions
Big & Rich;
Not a bad idea but there are a couple of issues. What do you do with Glenn? You need at least one speed guy, yet if you dump him you don’t have one. do you have three WR over 30? Also, BP’s philosophy has always been that the third WR needs to do special teams. Which one will it be. I think we need Crayton to develop more. The first half of the year last year looked good for him…promising. Unfortunately, i see either TO or Key, not both.(even though i’d like it to be.)
by J-MAN on Mar 16, 2006 10:30 AM CST reply actions
Randel El got a $31 mil/7 yr deal right? Over $4/year simple avg. His next offer i believe was Chicago at $18mil/6 yr deal or $3 mil/yr simple avg. Now that is over paying.
by J-MAN on Mar 16, 2006 10:33 AM CST reply actions
Remember guys,when you sign(or trade for) a RFA,you give up a draft choice then have to usually resign that player to a new contract,so not only do you lose a draft pick,ya also have to account for that players new contract under the cap……
by sharkz on Mar 16, 2006 10:36 AM CST reply actions
Playmaker and Blitzkrieg,
I wondered about that poor percentage last year, too, when I heard about Brown. That’s a lousy percentage. However, if you look at the details, most of those misses were at over 50 yards. The guy is almost automatic inside 40. You also have to consider his youth. He has only been in the NFL for 3 seasons. He could still improve, and has a long career ahead of him.
The devil is in the details.
The bad detail is that Seattle would be complete dunderheads if they don’t match an offer.
by Mr. Bill on Mar 16, 2006 10:40 AM CST reply actions
J-Man,
I know, I know. It’s a long-shot. But if it happened Key would be more of a situational guy; almost like a 2nd tight end. You’re right, it will be an either/or situation. I hope they address the long-term need in the mid-rounds of the draft though. A Maurice Stovall or something. Get another big body in here. But I would be okay with Chad Jackson; speed kills, that was Jimmy Johnson’s philosophy. I’m sure JJ/BP have a plan.
by Big & Rich on Mar 16, 2006 10:41 AM CST reply actions
If we signed both, AND have good protection for Bledsoe, could you imagine the 3rd and 10 possibilities? Instead of doing the traditional BP run the ball on 3rd and long, we could put TO and Glenn on one side, KJ and Witten on the other, and have Barber in to block. Thats almost unstoppable. Its alot of offense and alot of ego’s, but if they can keep it in check, that would be the kind of offense to go with our defense that could make us SB worthy.
I also think Dallas should jump up RIGHT now and grab a FB. JJ needs to realize he’s being outdone by Snyder yet again but this time Snyder is building a decent team. They went to the playoffs last year and have picked up players this year. All the best FB’s are on the market, Fred Beasley, Mack Strong, Henderson, Sowell, etc. etc. No one is showing any interest, so why not jump in and grab one before its too late? I will be pissed if we don’t, a FB can go a long way, even in this day and time.
by lou c on Mar 16, 2006 10:48 AM CST reply actions
J-Man,
I know, I know, it’s a long shot. The truth is we’re going to have to address the long-term solution in the draft. But with so many needs, it’s tough to guess which strategy would be best. Crayton is definetely the future #2 guy, a real possession guy. In my opinion we need to draft another big man in the mid-rounds, possibly a Maurice Stovall type kid and then take a chance on a speed freak from nowhere-state university.
by Big & Rich on Mar 16, 2006 11:04 AM CST reply actions
Just a theoretical question to get the juices flowing.
If you could only have one. Would you rather have the best O-line in the NFL, or the two best receivers in the NFL?
Me personally, I would take the line every time.
by Shane J on Mar 16, 2006 11:07 AM CST reply actions
if we sign KJ and TO we should pass on WR in this Draft because next year there are some kids coming out that are PLAYMAKING, GAME CHANGING, Size and Speed studs……you cannot coach size or speed…..Holmes ain’t got it…….Chad Jackson might….he looked pretty good…..but still compared to the youth that will be in the first and 2nd rounds at WR next year…….let KJ and TG and TO play one more year…..Patrick and Cooper also…..and then you add CALVIN JOHNSON from Georgia Tech a WR that Chan Gailey calls the best WR he has ever seen……..uh he coached Michael Irvin and some pretty talented kids in Pitt also……
sign TO to a one or two year incentive laden deal and then replace him with Calvin Johnson. I think Patrick Crayton can be a Terry Glenn type player this year even……and give us a deep threat tall guy to compliment him…..and we will be set at WR for years to come……the 3rd guy is always a utility guy…..even in our best Super Bowl years we never had a 3rd WR who was better than Novacek…..and I don’t look for a Bill Parcells team to have one either…..
Crayton, Calvin Johsnon, Jason Witten……TO, KJ or Glenn as our other WR cut the one that acts up or is overpaid or hurt…….and JJ and MB and TT out of the backfield……that is some serious Offensive weapons…….assuming we have couple of legit NFL Tackles to block for our QB…….whoever that maybe……..what if Tommy Chang outplays henson in europe…..maybe we trade a our 3rd baseman for the Hang 10 kid from the North Shore……lol
by Jon B. on Mar 16, 2006 11:11 AM CST reply actions
Ridgelake,
Burleson would probably be worth a 3rd-round pick, but, as with all RFAs, the Vikings are apt to match the deal, especially since they have tons of cap space, even after making that offer to Hutchinson.
I wouldn’t touch Washington for a 6th-round pick, much less a 3rd.
by Mr. Bill on Mar 16, 2006 11:11 AM CST reply actions
lou c,
Thomas Howard might be a good choice for linebacker in the second round, if he lasts to #49.
by Mr. Bill on Mar 16, 2006 11:14 AM CST reply actions
Would that be an upgrade from what they had at the end of last year and a downgrade for what they started the year with? Pretty much makes that a wash.
by JaDee on Mar 16, 2006 11:44 AM CST reply actions
Shane J:
Of course you take the O-Line every time. The Parcells 1950’s mindset still holds true today, you win football games by running the football, stopping the run, controlling the clock, and winning the penalties/turnovers battle. Under this philosophy, it’s easy to see why he sees quarterbacks as bus drivers and receivers as “salad dressing.” I would loved to have seen Bentley and Shaffer signed. I know it’s moot now, but a line with Flozell, Gurode, Bentley, Rivera, and Shaffer would be among the best in the NFL, particularly with Tucker and Pettiti serving as the backups. As it sits, I’m not sure Kosier makes us any better. Still need a RT and LG.
by Big & Rich on Mar 16, 2006 11:49 AM CST reply actions
I’m thinking if we can sign TO and Fabini then go with Ko Simpson in then 2 lbs, we should have a very nice offseason.
by Miamicowboy22 on Mar 16, 2006 12:19 PM CST reply actions
Eagles pick up J.Gaffney sucks. I live in Houston and folks were always complaining about him. I think we should focus on offense in FA plus a solid kicker and continue to build this defense in the draft. I still say we trade down and pick up additional picks – (LB,FS,NT and then a TE in the draft) Must sign TO soon!
by tyler2 on Mar 16, 2006 12:33 PM CST reply actions
Mr. Bill,
Would Minny be able to match our theoretical offer for Burleson? I don’t think they would. They’d get our 3rd round pick. But he’d be ours were we to sign him, yes?
Oh, and Thomas Howard will almost certainly be gone by #49. Plus, he’s a bit small for the 3-4.
by Ridgelake on Mar 16, 2006 12:36 PM CST reply actions
Ridgelake:
I do see Burleson being prived from Minnesota for that 3rd Rounder, but not because they wouldn’t be capable of matching, the do have the cap space. It would be because Minny’s loaded at WR, they have Travis Taylor, Koren Robinson, Marcus Robinson and Troy Williamson. That’s a lot of dough invested at WR for the West Coast type of Offense that Childress will try to install.
by Chandus on Mar 16, 2006 12:52 PM CST reply actions
I’m not big on Burleson. maybe the timing wasn’t right or because of Culpepper, but Burleson stunk it up last year when given the perfect oppurtunity to step up. He was practically invisible during several games last year. I know because he killed me on my fantasy team! lol.
by kshaw on Mar 16, 2006 1:21 PM CST reply actions
kshaw:
He indeed was invisible because he injured his knee (tweaked one of the ligaments) in September and wasn’t 100% for the rest of the season.
He would be a good pickup.
by Chandus on Mar 16, 2006 1:29 PM CST reply actions
And all this time I though Nate B struggled because he didn’t have Moss to draw double and triple coverage every play.
by Cash on Mar 16, 2006 1:34 PM CST reply actions
Mosely is reporting that Kosier was signed to replace LA, and says he’ll make you forget about the Pro Bowl guard all together. That’s a bold statement. He seems to think that the Dallas signings are the result of good homework and that after they got those two guys they felt so good about what they did they took an early vacation. If they are on vacation they got who they wanted and if there was anyone else they wanted they were either gone already or hadn’t come free yet.
by Cash on Mar 16, 2006 1:40 PM CST reply actions
Cash:
Am I getting sarcasm out of you?
That wouldn’t be anything new, look it up, he injured his posterior or anterior CL (not remembering well which one).
But that’s not all, he’s a receiver known for his big plays, who did he had throwing him his big plays? Johnson? Give me a break. Bledsoe would be a huge improvement.
by Chandus on Mar 16, 2006 1:57 PM CST reply actions
What big plays did he and Johnson come up with? Their offense was horrible last year with CPepp or Johnson at QB.
by Cash on Mar 16, 2006 2:02 PM CST reply actions
Burleson sucks. I’d take Walker, Moulds, TO… anyone over him. especially not for a 3rd rounder. no thank you
by RParr on Mar 16, 2006 2:03 PM CST reply actions
The Lions just signed McKnown. ESPN is saying this will result in the release or trade of Harrington. Question do you think this would be a project that Bill could turn this kid around and have Bledsoe mentor him?
by red raider on Mar 16, 2006 2:05 PM CST reply actions
Raf,
OK, I admit I may be acting a little too harsh towards Brown. I’m just tired (as we all are) of inconsistency at kicker. You can’t compare Brown’s 79% to Vinatieri’s 81. Brown has had 2 out of three seasons below 74 (Vinatieri has 1 in 10). Brown has had one great season at 92. Which one is probably a more accurate predictor of him? The one great season or the two not so great seasons? The point I’m trying to make is if we sign him, everyone should temper their enthusiasm as odds are we get the guy that was below 74 during 2 seasons rather than the guy who was 92% in one.
Mr Bill,
The devil is indeed in the details. I like how both you and shoop are leaving out his accuracy from 40-49 yards. In your reply to me, you say most of his misses are beyond 50 and he’s automatic inside the 40. Sorry, but 4-7 during the year between 40-49 (16-25 for his career) doesn’t qualify him as having most of his misses beyond 50. Last year, he actually had a better percentage from beyond 50 than from 40-49. That says something about his consistency to me. That’s all I’m saying. He is great from inside the 40, but if I wanted a kicker who was only money from inside the 40, which I don’t, I’d say go after Peterson.
Overall, he’s probably our best option outside of Vinatieri; however, it’s a substantial drop off and we do lose a pick. A seventh rounder may not seem like much, but we should all know by now how good Parcells is at finding talent late in the draft.
by Blitzkreig on Mar 16, 2006 2:08 PM CST reply actions
Raf,
I can’t remmeber the name of the WR we have who is at NFL Europe now.. If I remember correctly he isthe fastest guy we have.. Is he a player for us?
by Toast on Mar 16, 2006 2:15 PM CST reply actions
Cowboys quarterback Drew Bledsoe would not mind if the Cowboys acquired Terrell Owens. “I am open to it,” Bledsoe said. “It’s obvious the guy is a great talent, and, if any coach can keep him in line, it would be Bill. It would have to be set up the right way, to make sure [the team] knows how to handle a situation like what happened in Philly.”
— Fort Worth Star-Telegram
by Cash on Mar 16, 2006 2:17 PM CST reply actions
When do compensatory picks get determined? Would we get any b/c of Fujita and Campbell? I don’t think we get one for Glover since we cut him, right?
by J-MAN on Mar 16, 2006 2:17 PM CST reply actions
On the ranch report it has a picture of K Josh Brown and saying a kicker of peak interest? Looks like this maybe the guy. I would rather have AV but do we really want to spend 3 mil on a kicker? I would say yes we should because look how many close games we lost because of kickers last year
by red raider on Mar 16, 2006 2:26 PM CST reply actions
Cash, J-Man,
Thanks guys.. Is he any good? I heard he was lighthing fast.
by Toast on Mar 16, 2006 2:28 PM CST reply actions
Toast
Tom Crowder has been with us for 2 years or maybe 3 i think it’s 2. Anyway he is very fast it was actually reported sometime last year during training camp that he was faster than anyone on the team to include Newman. That has to be fast since we all remember Newman chasing Randy Moss from behind this past year. I read that Crowder was getting better and that he has alot of talent. We tried him out as a Safety when we originally picked him up as a rookie but he didn’t fit there so we tried him at WR. He might develop now that he’s been playing more consistantly just one position. He didn’t really have a true position in College but he has alot of speed and talent.
by lilbeast on Mar 16, 2006 2:36 PM CST reply actions
Toast they’ve tried him at several positions to get his speed on the field including saftey, so he’s new to the receiving game. At best he would compete with Copper for the 4th spot.
by Cash on Mar 16, 2006 2:37 PM CST reply actions
RED RAIDER…..HARRINGTON IS SET TO BECOME THE BEST COMMENTATOR ESPN HAS EVER HAD. KEEP IT THAT WAY MY FRIEND.
by ManTab on Mar 16, 2006 2:37 PM CST reply actions
Please, no to Harrington. I honestly don’t think he would be able to play better than Romo. He had loads of talent on Detroit and couldn’t get it done. When Martz got there, he said Joey would get a clean slate. Martz’s system has made Pro Bowl QBs out of Warner and Bulger and even their rookie Fitzpatrick threw for over 300 in a game last year. If Detroit is signing QBs (Kitna and McCown) than I think Martz is giving up on Joey. If he can’t work with him, I don’t think anyone can.
by Blitzkreig on Mar 16, 2006 2:39 PM CST reply actions
Chandus,
It has occured to me that in less than two days, you have lambasted Owens receiving skills as a no hands limp noodle, yet you are advocating giving up a first day pick for a one year wonder (albeit two years ago) named Burleson. I’m thinking you should fire your scouting director.
by Cash on Mar 16, 2006 2:40 PM CST reply actions
Didn’t intentionally leave out Brown’s number of 40-49 just somehow overlooked it. My issue was the games we lost due to the misses under 40. Seattle with Cortez when he missed what looked like a shot my Grandma could’ve made from between 20-29. Then the loss to Denver with Cundiff when he blew one in the 30-39 range. Cundiff doing this one week after making the longest FG in Cowboys history.
by shoop on Mar 16, 2006 2:41 PM CST reply actions
Kitna was a huge pick up. He was one vote shy of the MVP 2 years ago when they switched to Palmer. I do not know why cinci let him go with the severe injury to Palmer. Palmer may miss at least half this season due to blowing out his knee. I guess it was a cap move. But anyway Kitna in my opinion could be a starter or the best back up in the league.
by Jesse NY on Mar 16, 2006 2:43 PM CST reply actions
Lightning fast (Crowder) doesn’t always correspond to the footbal field, see Randall Williams a couple of years ago.
I would assume that if he is in Europe, it is to get some fundamentals. If he was all that he would be here working out and learning instead of risking injury.
Receivers don’t necessarily need game experience, as much as route running. I see him as only a outside possibility and more than likely a chance to keep an extra roster spot open because of the exemption for Europe players.
That being said, I do not remember much about him from training camp, except for special teams. So I could be wrong.
by Shane J on Mar 16, 2006 2:44 PM CST reply actions
Well we do need a back up quarterback because Romo is not the man and less some miracle happens neither is Henson it would be sweet if we could get Matt Schaub from Atlanta without giving up an arm and a leg, maybe trade Ellis and a 3rd rounder?
by red raider on Mar 16, 2006 2:48 PM CST reply actions
Crowder is/was a special teams demon. He blocked a bunch of kicks at Arkansas. He also was the gunner on punts. If he makes the active roster, it will be a Copper type role. Get in 20-30 special teams plays a game and be the 4th/5th WR. Expecting anything more out of him at receiver is setting up yourself and him for failure.
by Ridgelake on Mar 16, 2006 2:52 PM CST reply actions
Some on the Falcons staff think they would have better success with Schaub than Vick. While I’m not advocating for that, I would say with that being said he’s not going anywhere. They couldn’t replace him for the little bit he is costing them.
by Cash on Mar 16, 2006 2:54 PM CST reply actions
Hey Fellows.. Check this out..
RECAP: Terry Glenn on ESPN 103-Dallas…
Thu Mar-16-06 07:56 AM
Terry Glenn:
I have faith in my owner and my coach.
I do feel they are going to make a big move. I want to win, the whole team wants to win. We have great fans.
I had heard that Key may be released. When it actually happened I was kinda sad. He was a great friend. When I hear about how bad a guy he is I just laugh. He is exactly the opposite.
I’m not gonna judge anyone, I’ve had my own little incidents with teams. TO is a great player and he can help us get further here. No disrespect to Key, they are just different players.
I would love to have TO here to make those great plays you see on SportsCenter. Obviously I have seen and read the incidents he has had in the past. I don’t see that happening here. Jerry and Bill will not allow it and I think it is out of his sytem.
Bill can handle TO. He demands respect and is a kind of Godfather image. He just wants to win. You WANT to be on his good side. He is nice to you when you perform.
I think TO will realize he is on a team that wants to win championships. I don’t see him being a problem here.
TO COME TO TOWN. Obviously my numbers could explode if he is here.
I’m not a selfish player, it’s not all about me. I just want to win. We had a Key and a Witten… they demand the ball. That is not my style.
If they double-team TO, I feel I am the best one on one WR in the league. We would also have Witten going down the middle. Who is going to stop that?
I don’t want to talk about what would happen if I had big numbers and he blew up
I wouldn’t be surprised if Jerry and Bill brought him here. I don’t want to piss off any Cowboy fans by him coming, but every WR has a little attitude.
I really hope they bring him here. I want him here.
by Toast on Mar 16, 2006 2:57 PM CST reply actions
Burleson – 12 games, 30 receptions for 328 yards for ‘05? That’s not the production that I would look for. ‘04 was good, but roaming free with Moss on the other side didn’t hurt. ‘03 looks a lot like ’05. I don’t see Burleson on the Cowboys radar anytime soon and hopefully not at all.
Harrington, ha! The Cowboys know better than that, they’ve got two projects now on the roster.
by kshaw on Mar 16, 2006 3:02 PM CST reply actions
I hesitate to post this. But such as it is.
A friend of mine, who has a friend with some inside contacts, said that we just signed TO.
Chalk it up as total rumor. But such is what it is.
by Ridgelake on Mar 16, 2006 3:06 PM CST reply actions
Wow TG said that ?
I couldn`t notice a little shot at Witten there. I guess he is right. All receivers have a little attitude.
by Jesse NY on Mar 16, 2006 3:06 PM CST reply actions
Again nothing confirmed but just received text from a buddy in Ft Worth sayng he heard they were signing TO today. Just text him back to see where he heard this.
by Jesse NY on Mar 16, 2006 3:09 PM CST reply actions
Ridgelake,
The Vikings had over $30 million in cap space at the start of free agency. They haven’t spent it all on Steve Hutchinson. If they wanted to match an offer, I think they could.
by Mr. Bill on Mar 16, 2006 3:13 PM CST reply actions
Mr. Bill:
What I’m trying to get confirmation of is whether Minny has the right to match a potential offer from us for Burleson. They have extended him a contract offer and made him a third round draft pick tender. Nate is free to shop his services. Minny gets a third from the team that he goes to. But again, would Minny have the right to match a potential offer?
BTW, another potential OLB just became available. Boulware just got cut from Baltimore. Given his age and injury history, I doubt we’d be interested. But you never know.
by Ridgelake on Mar 16, 2006 3:18 PM CST reply actions
Hi Everybody!
Oiler Troll has nothing to add to this debate, but did want to check in and wish you all well. ..
…and say that TO’s agent is a something that rhymes with glass. Boy did he make a bad decision.
Thank you.
by Oiler-Troll on Mar 16, 2006 3:20 PM CST reply actions
Cash, Chandus
Burelson is a good player but I think his upside is a little limited. Injury concerns are there, after not performing as well after being injured. I don’t think he’s the kind of receiver we need. If he was on our team I would want him as the 3rd receiver but I do like Crayton. I would rather have KJ back than Burelson.
by CKnight on Mar 16, 2006 3:21 PM CST reply actions
“The Baltimore Ravens have released offensive tackle Orlando Brown, who still has designs of extending a career interrupted for three years by a serious eye injury.” Is this guy any good? Anyone have any info on him?
by Miamicowboy22 on Mar 16, 2006 3:27 PM CST reply actions
burleson is out of the question. He is not coming to DAllas.
by darknight08 on Mar 16, 2006 3:36 PM CST reply actions
Burelson is a good #2. He thrived when he was working with Moss. Did not do so well when he was on his own. In my opinion he is not what we need. We need a true #1. Key or TO.
by eightball on Mar 16, 2006 3:37 PM CST reply actions
Hmm:
KJ quoted as saying he owes it to Dallas to give them a chance at resigning him before signing with someone else. Could be all planned out.
Love to see the master blueprint of this plan.
by Jesse NY on Mar 16, 2006 3:57 PM CST reply actions
I have to admit that the lack of anything out of Dallas is getting to me a little bit. Fell asleep on the couch with ESPN on. Woke up saw a note on the ticker at the bottom saying Roy Willimas news onference ahead. I flipped out auto assuming that they meant our Roy then wondering if they meant Detroit Roy and then realized they meant Roy Williams the BAsketball coach.
DAmn Basketball
by shoop on Mar 16, 2006 4:08 PM CST reply actions
shoop i doubt it but he is good. His skills are declining though
by lilbeast on Mar 16, 2006 4:12 PM CST reply actions
why is everyone so into dallas getting a LB with the first round pick we have a solid defense but it makes me sick that our O-line needs help and we have done nothing that is what we should address in the 1st say like McNeil or the guy from miami
by adam on Mar 16, 2006 4:29 PM CST reply actions
Yeah I just looked him up. Found out he was 32 and coming of an injury year and a half ago. There’s a reason they are letting him go with 3 years left on his contract.
by shoop on Mar 16, 2006 4:31 PM CST reply actions
if jj or any body thinks burelson is the answer at wr we can say hello to a last place div finish that boy sucks
by adam on Mar 16, 2006 4:34 PM CST reply actions
adam
I get the feeling that the best talent is at OLB this year with our first pick and usually defense is where rookies can make the most impact other than RB. Parcells wants to win now while still leaving a good foundation which if you look at it he already has put a better team together than when he first got here. with the first pick being a Defensive player he would be able to contribute more. The fact that it takes OL some time to get adjusted to the NFL game is a reason why we might not draft one with our 18th pick. Now because we do have a need in our OL it may change this year. The feeling i have been getting recently is that we might not take an OL in either of the first 2 rounds unless we get someone we just can’t pass up. I feel that our first 2 picks will either be a OLB/ILB/FS/WR not in this particular order. Parcells wants to get the most out of his 1st rounder and an OL just takes longer to get production out of. I also have a feeling that Parcells is going to find out what he really has in Pettiti,Columbo,and Rogers. The fact that we signed Kosier lets him take this gamble. All will definitely be more clearly once we find out what happens with Larry Alllen. This is just what i think. And last time i checked my name wasn’t Bill Parcells so my guess is as good as yours.
by lilbeast on Mar 16, 2006 4:43 PM CST reply actions
Just heard on the radio that Marcus Coleman will visit Dallas this coming Monday. He should come pretty cheap if we are really interested.
by tyler2 on Mar 16, 2006 4:45 PM CST reply actions
WHERES THE BIG BANG!!! IM GOING CRAZY JUST WAITING
by Volrath on Mar 16, 2006 4:45 PM CST reply actions
I like Coleman but I do not know if it was an off year on a bad team but he did not play well last year! It looked as he lost a step and it was every Texans game I went to last year which was 4 of them.
by red raider on Mar 16, 2006 4:50 PM CST reply actions
I would take a flyer on Boulware. He wouldn’t be expensive at this stage of his career, and he is basically a poor man’s McGinest. An older, pass-rushing LB that would be effective as a part-time player.
I like the idea of a situational LB at the other outside spot, because I like some of the other talent already on the team. The more they rotate those guys in the front seven, the fresher their pass rush will be.
by Playmaker on Mar 16, 2006 4:53 PM CST reply actions
I don’t know if anyone else has heard this, but there’s whispers that JJ and BP are on vacation but have already signed a few players, including T.O.. Is this possible? I thought you HAD to announce the signing of any player IMMEDIATELY. Also, has anyone heard of the WR Hank Baskett? He’s from the same tiny city I’m from, I used to talk to the guy when I was a freshman in HS, he was a senior. He gave me tips on hurdles, and let me tell you guys, that guys can jump, he won the Mountain west in high jump a few years back. He’s a possession receiver, much like KJ, he’s 6’4" 220, not terribly fast but he’ll catch just about anything you throw at him. He’s late 1st to 2nd round material, any chance we draft him? I’d love nothing more than to see that guy play with the cowboys…
by CNMDallasfan on Mar 16, 2006 4:54 PM CST reply actions
lilbeast i agree but our O-line needs help bad it should be a vet that fills out our OT and C spots at FS it would be great if we could somehow move down and get michael huff without losing alot of picks. BP must know that O-line is so important to us bledsoe is unstoppable with protection but he looses games when we cant block see giants rams redskins games and if he gets hurt that could be the season
by adam on Mar 16, 2006 4:56 PM CST reply actions
oh ya, i almost forgot…where does Eric Ogbogu fit in to the linebacker mess? any chance he might just get a chance at the other OLB spot?
by CNMDallasfan on Mar 16, 2006 4:59 PM CST reply actions
Ogbogu will be gone unless he makes a huge jump to OLB. Kalen Thorton will be the OLB project for Bill that is why we put him on IR to protect him and keep us from releasing him so he could have one more year of development
by red raider on Mar 16, 2006 5:05 PM CST reply actions
You’ve gotta think they still want to trade down in the first they are fairly close to the middle so it has value to the teams down at the bottom. I think that they should honestly consider Nick Mangold from Ohio State. He is a beast. He is either a starter with Johnson as a backup. Then Gurode could be moved back to Guard where I feel he looked pretty good last year.
by shoop on Mar 16, 2006 5:06 PM CST reply actions
Toast,
Nice stuff!!
Glenn is absolutely right (IMO) about everything he said. First and formost he, Witten, and anyone else on the field becomes a bigger threat once T.O. is on the field with them. Also, I cannot see Owens being a problem in the locker room. Parcells demands respect, but he is up front with his players too, and gives them the respect that they deserve as well.
by Eric R on Mar 16, 2006 5:08 PM CST reply actions
Also, I see all the depth charts on here at DE nobody has Coleman as a back up DE where started part of the year and was Canty’s and Spears back up along with Ellis playing DE and some OLB
by red raider on Mar 16, 2006 5:10 PM CST reply actions
if key goes to carolina they would be very tough to beat
by adam on Mar 16, 2006 5:25 PM CST reply actions
TOAST…….
Sounds like Terry……..kicked out of Green Bay……is rolling out the Red Carpet for yet another reject bad guy wide reciever……..
who like he says……will not act up cuz of Bill and Jerry.
It took how long for Antonio Bryant to be GONE……..and we all knew he had talent. See ya AB wouldn’t want to be ya. Yet why didn’t CLE pay him? TG is right all WRs have attitudes…….it is the most selfish position in football…….you compete against your own teammates for the #1 spot…..you compete against your stats for higher pay…….if you are good you draw the best CBs in the league not to mention help from a Safety……..and the best can still catch TDs…….and dance a little Jig……..that is why they have an attitude…..
TO=TDs. Hey I even think 81 is an open number ain’t it……..Morgan got cut. I wonder if Drew Bledsoe feels the same way…..if he wants to go to the Super bowl and a pro bowl and maybe a bust in Canton….well TO just might give two years to cap off a pretty good statistical career……..
by Jon B. on Mar 16, 2006 5:40 PM CST reply actions
Cash, CKnight:
First thing first, I never even said that I wanted Burleson as a number 1 receiver, at best he could be third receiver this year and maybe Glenn’s successor as this team number 2.
Cash:
I never said that TO is a bad receiver, let me explain this again, to me Keyshawn is a better posession receiver, posession! T.O. has a combination of posession receiver and big play threat, that makes him a better receiver overall. I just said that for some of the completions Bledsoe made with Key, I’d prefer to have Key still. I don’t need to even mention that Owens would get more separation from the corners and that would limit to a minimum the type of catches that would be similar to the ones Key usually makes.
Again, T.O. is a much better receiver than Key, Key is just the better posession receiver, but that’s all that he is and that’s his problem.
CNMDallas:
Ogbogu doesn’t has the quickness to get to the QB from a standing stance and it isn’t even necessary to go to the coverage subject.
redraider:
I don’t know about Coleman and Boulware, they’re a couple of 30-somethings and things right now seem to point in the younger direction, but I really understand your point, must of the problems of Coleman came with the lack of LBs that were any good in coverage, add to that that the team just had one good CB, one lind of overrated, and every safety would have had troubles.
by Chandus on Mar 16, 2006 5:56 PM CST reply actions
if he honestly would just shut the hell up and play. people would forget the whole dancing on the star routine quickly. cowboy fans want a winner and if he does his job and plays his ASS off he will earn the respect from the other players ans from the fans.
by mike on Mar 16, 2006 6:02 PM CST reply actions
I made a bet at work against TO and the Cowboys and I hope to enjoy that 12 pack, but my gut is starting to tell me that he’s coming. His agent will play a good game with Denver and toy with KC to drive the price up a bit, but I believe that JJ will lean on BP for this one and he’ll get signed.
by kshaw on Mar 16, 2006 6:02 PM CST reply actions
chandus
i agree Key is a better possession receiver. TO is just a freak of a athlete
by mike on Mar 16, 2006 6:04 PM CST reply actions
Mike, but would the media let it be forgotten. I can just see it now. A least once a game, and maybe several times, the ‘Star-incident’ will be rerun. It won’t happen on the Ticket because JJ won’t permit it, but any other broadcast would certainly be more than happy to rub-it-in. Maybe George Teague will do the ‘color’ in the first game with the iggles.
by mlf on Mar 16, 2006 6:13 PM CST reply actions
My bet is that KJ signs with NE. The Cowboys suck up to TO and his agent (have you read the new terms of the CBA? – we would not have an out for our money) and Jerry Jones extends his already record streak for the Cowboys for seasons not to win a playoff game.
by Scooter on Mar 16, 2006 6:22 PM CST reply actions
… let’s see now, dial 1-800-DIRECTV to cancel my subscription.
by Scooter on Mar 16, 2006 6:25 PM CST reply actions
unless theres a trade to the pack for walker i dont see an alternative. thats unless we resign Key
by mike on Mar 16, 2006 6:26 PM CST reply actions
scooter
TO to dallas is intriging, and very scary. and yes i do believe in the new CBA you cant sit a player for disciplinary reasons or get money back, something like that anyway. thats the scary side. id like to see TO come in and resign KEY. thats 3 good wr and a stud TE. really could help open the running game up. see it now bledsoe 3 step drop and hit TO on a quick slant he likes for 63yds and a TD. or TO bashing bledose for getting sacked for the 3rd straight time and blows up on us… either could happen very easy.
by mike on Mar 16, 2006 6:30 PM CST reply actions
read an article that said Key was unwilling to play for NE because they were unwilling to pay him the $5 mil a year he says he is worth. Which is line with all the other signings.
Under the new CBA you can only sit a player for 4 weeks and then you can make them inactive week by week. You cannot make them inactive for periods of time as philly did. He can still be punished you just have to be more careful about it.
by shoop on Mar 16, 2006 6:49 PM CST reply actions
Scooter, when TO signs, what will you do with all your spare time since you will no longer be backing a team you have followed for 40 years?
by mgg on Mar 16, 2006 7:04 PM CST reply actions
That big bang souns like the sounds of silence my friends. I wouldve never thought we would be so quiet during free agency with Jerry as an owner and all that money in cap space…
The worst thing is that they’re both kicking it in the caribbean (JJ and BP) while Washington has signed almost everybody available…
Damn!
by ManTab on Mar 16, 2006 7:12 PM CST reply actions
We’ll be fine, have patience. We will have a great team next year without mortgaging our future like other teams already have.
by mgg on Mar 16, 2006 7:19 PM CST reply actions
I’m new to this site,,,but think ya’ll are awesome.lots of info & for a die hard cowboy fan,this is the best site yet.and I can’t wait to see T.O. in a cowboy uniform ,but denver signing him scares me alittle
by bono on Mar 16, 2006 7:20 PM CST reply actions
Denver already said they wouldn’t do more than a one year deal. Same with KC. We are probably the only team crazy/savvy enough to sign him to a multi(3?) year deal.
by shoop on Mar 16, 2006 7:23 PM CST reply actions
Because of Denver and KC lack of interest, we will get on of the two best receivers in football at a bargain basement price. BP is the only head coach in football who can handle his BS.
by mgg on Mar 16, 2006 7:27 PM CST reply actions
I find it hard to believe that BP and JJ are vacationing right now. Who actually said that? They want to win football games and BP is knee-deep in this stuff 1 day after the season ends.
by mohora69 on Mar 16, 2006 7:37 PM CST reply actions
JJ is vacaioning with his family and BP is with the STL. cards for spring training.
by mike on Mar 16, 2006 8:04 PM CST reply actions
mohora…..it’s all over the news where these 2 are….Im running out of patience.
by ManTab on Mar 16, 2006 8:07 PM CST reply actions
Just saw in KFFL that Seatle is planning on matching that huge offer sheet for Hutchinson. That could make it tougher for them to match OUR offer for Josh Brown,if and when we make one.
by mgg on Mar 16, 2006 8:08 PM CST reply actions
Chandus
Can you explain to me what possession receiver means? To me saying a player is a possession receiver is merely sugar coating the fact that he can’t get separation after the catch. Off field issues aside, wouldn’t you rather have a receiver that has the potential to break a play everytime he touches the ball?
by Ian on Mar 16, 2006 8:15 PM CST reply actions
Ian, as you say off field issues aside, we have a chance to land one of the best WR’s our storied franchise has ever had. If anyone on this board questions this, I’m sure Raf can get some comparisons for us. I’m talking total games played. Yardage and touchdowns. I would love to see those stats with our past superstars. Again, not saying Ilike the guy, because I don’t, but man would he give us a serious threat to score some major points.
by mgg on Mar 16, 2006 8:22 PM CST reply actions
Ian:
Well, you need both, successful teams usually have their number 2 receivers in the categories of posession and deep threat. As example, the actual champion, when Pittsburgh had Plaxico he was the deep threat with Ward the posession, this season Ward went for the longer balls while Randle-El and the other guy played posession. New England for the last few years have been making a living out of Branch, deep threat, and a combination of Givens and Brown as posession.
If you read carefully, you’ll find out that I’m saying that Owens is the better receiver, but if you’re looking for a receiver that runs from 5 to 15 yards and goes over the middle to make a catch in traffic, then Keyshawn is my guy.
If you want a more complete player, one capable of going over the middle and also capable of making something out of nothing, then Owens is my bet.
Of course, I’m leaving all the baggage out.
by Chandus on Mar 16, 2006 8:24 PM CST reply actions
werent they in trouble to re-sing Alexander? How can they match that offer now?….I dont understand this cap BS…wher’s the limit? 102 million after the first 3 billion or what
by ManTab on Mar 16, 2006 8:30 PM CST reply actions
CBS 13 says we’ve signed T.O. and will announce it Monday.
http://www.klbk13.tv/sports/default.asp?mode=shownews&id=1461
Take it with a grain of salt of course..
by Shane Q on Mar 16, 2006 8:30 PM CST reply actions
Chandus
Im not sure I agree with you on the short stuff. If I can remember correctly TO ran a lot of that stuff with the Eagles and also lined up in the slot.
by Ian on Mar 16, 2006 8:40 PM CST reply actions
TO ran the short stuff because he was the bigger stronger guy, not because it was his primary role.
Also he was fearless.
by gunnerklein on Mar 16, 2006 8:47 PM CST reply actions
It’s definitely a real source, it’s a CBS station out of Lubbock Texas. http://www.klbk13.tv/ The question is if the story is correct, however.
by Shane Q on Mar 16, 2006 8:49 PM CST reply actions
Eric-R everything you predicted is happening! predict superbowl quick.
I argued about TO and Woodson, now it looks like they could be happening. And I thought you were a conspiracy theorist with your “FA already done deal just waiting to anounce” theory last posting.
THIS IS ME EATING CROW!!
Good job BTW.
by gunnerklein on Mar 16, 2006 8:53 PM CST reply actions
Im reading about also on the ranchreport.com….they said Rosenhaus didn’t confirm anything but that the source (same as yours) is legit…..hummmm….wonder why waitting till monday
by ManTab on Mar 16, 2006 8:53 PM CST reply actions
He ran the shorter and longer stuff because he could do it all. He could also break the shorter stuff wide open.
by Ian on Mar 16, 2006 8:54 PM CST reply actions
hey guys, what if my nightmare comes true and TO arrives in Dallas
Let’s say that on his first touchdown he runs to the star…how would you all take it?
by Rev. Michael on Mar 16, 2006 8:54 PM CST reply actions
I’ll celebrate the crap out of it and laugh my a$$ of….
by ManTab on Mar 16, 2006 8:58 PM CST reply actions
He claimed after the star incident that he was’nt being disrespectful. Since then seeing his entertaining celebrations I could tend to believe him. I also remember when TO first got to PHilly the entire team said he changed the cattitude of the team to a more upbeat and competitive atmosphere-now he burned that out, but some have said he was not the only one at fault.
For the record I’m not entirely thrilled to have him on my team, but I do see the good in everyone. I’m willing to give the guy a chance I guess.
by gunnerklein on Mar 16, 2006 9:01 PM CST reply actions
Apparently ESPN says a sourse close to TO is denying the report.
by Shane Q on Mar 16, 2006 9:01 PM CST reply actions
Besides, if TO is not here are we SB bound? B/C if we don’t and BP leaves we start over anyway. It seems to me this is a do or die year for us-why not go for it? Then new coach has 2-3 years to get going and our solid core can make another run. I dunno, just speculating…
by gunnerklein on Mar 16, 2006 9:04 PM CST reply actions
TO will do one of two things if he comes here. Scare of other possible free agents who don’t want to play with him, or attract free agebts who say they are looking to go to a team that will be SB contenders.
by shoop on Mar 16, 2006 9:10 PM CST reply actions
Ridgelake,
Sorry for misunderstanding your question.
Yes. Burleson is a Restricted Free Agent (RFA), which means that the Vikings have the right of first refusal on any offer made to him. They have up to a week to match the offer, or refuse to match. If they refuse to match, they get a 3rd-round draft pick in this year’s draft as compensation.
by Mr. Bill on Mar 16, 2006 9:18 PM CST reply actions
Shoop-
TO will do a lot of things when/if he gets here- some good some bad. Most while neither god or bad will be blown out of proportion and made to look bad. We had all better thicken our skin if he comes because overly emotional fans won’t help.
As I look at some of his antics I do not see THAT much wrong if the mediot influence is removed. (which BP does effectively)
ie. Favre would be better in philly (Dallas) than McNabb (Bledsoe) HE’S RIGHT!
McNabb Puked-HE’S RIGHT!
Holding out-a lot of players say it, we never like it and he DID show up ON TIME for camp and work his butt off. (see Emmit cir.1994?)
Guys put me on the T.O. bandwagon officially now at 2119 hrs CST 20060316
by gunnerklein on Mar 16, 2006 9:19 PM CST reply actions
CNMDallasfan,
We don’t own Ogbogu’s contract at the moment. He is a UFA, along with Michael Barrow, Quinton Caver, Tony Dixon, Marcus Price, and Lynn Scott.
by Mr. Bill on Mar 16, 2006 9:20 PM CST reply actions
If he comes here,he’ll probably be a model citizen and play his butt off the first year,then after he’s re-established his worth again,then……
by sharkz on Mar 16, 2006 9:27 PM CST reply actions
Sharkz-
I hope JJ and BP realize that and include incentives anc clauses in the contract to deal with just that.
After seeing JJ talk about him sleeping on the star I got the impression that , like deion he’s going to unroll the red carpet. I hope they’re smart.
by gunnerklein on Mar 16, 2006 9:30 PM CST reply actions
I’m hoping it’s true. If we’ve completed negotiations w/ TO, we now know how much we have to work w/ to get a Pass Rush and O-Line. TO may be an improvement, but DB can’t throw to him on his back. We must improve our O-Line if we want to make the playoffs. We also need a pass rush if we want to go anywhere.
by Grantp on Mar 16, 2006 9:32 PM CST reply actions
Ranch Report is saying they have confirmed the rumor is false.
by Grantp on Mar 16, 2006 9:35 PM CST reply actions
Grant
I agree, but I also wonder that since so many of our young players got extended playing time and developed their talent, Could BP and JJ be thinking our improvements will come from within? A few could do it, ie. Linebacker corps. And the O-line is improved experience-wise, but I don’t see the O-line doing the job all year as is.
I can only hope and pray that they know what they’re doing.
by gunnerklein on Mar 16, 2006 9:37 PM CST reply actions
i read in an article somewhere that key has said that the cowboys were wrong that he and TO couldnt co-exist. the thought of Key and TO and Glenn, and Crayton excites the hell out of me! then get another lineman, and the boys offense will be very hard to stop, and i think we could afford to have them both, just a thought!!
by itrustintuna on Mar 16, 2006 9:47 PM CST reply actions
ittrust
go to www.dallascowboys.com and read mickey spagnolas “kicking tires” article. It gives the scoop on Brown, numbers and all.
http://lb.dallascowboys.com/news.cfm?editorialAuthor=1&id=05766FC6-AF5A-071B-CF52397A89A3B206
by gunnerklein on Mar 16, 2006 10:02 PM CST reply actions
hello to everyone finding this site was like finding inner peace. Finally I can expres my views first I would like to start of buy saying LETS GET T.O. SIGNED HOLDING UP THAT COWBOY JERSEY I live in the D.C. area I can’t stand the Redskins right behind the Devil is Dan Snyder on my hate list actually they are in no particular order. Waiting on this Big Bang is painful especially seeing what the skins are doing I think David Blaine is there capologist cause its freaking MAGIC with what theyre doing anyway expect some great things going into next week I think some deals are struck and we are just sitting and waiting for the press confrence for them all at once read imagine coming to work monday morning refreshing ESPN (4,000 times this week) or whatever website you use to keep up on Cowboy news and seeing Arrington,Fabini,T.O., and Vinateri walking with Parcells and J.J. after getting off the chopper oh and by the Way Sean Payton is a good friend of ours we told him to go get Brees maybe he can return a Favor and trade that 2 spot to us for our fist and 3rd and 3rd next year or a player of his choice minus roy& t. new and oh lets say get this guy named Matt Leinart and do him like they did carson palmer just thinking……
by LEtSG0BiGD on Mar 17, 2006 10:06 AM CST reply actions

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