T.O. a Done Deal, Vinatieri Still Searching...

Besides the fact that he’s a big name with some pre-injury glory I don’t get how Peterson fits this D or would be an asset as a pass rushing OLB in a 3-4 defense. What is he, 235 pounds? Somebody gives me a good reason why this isn’t just pure conjecture on the part of us rabid fans.

It looks like Jerra has made good on the promise of a well planned free agency. I think there will be a press conference of large magnitude on monday.

the boys will displayl the fresh catch of the season.

Ayodele, Akin
Kyle Kosier
Ryan Hannam
Jason Fabini
Terrell Owens

and maybe Josh Brown or Adam Vinatieri

looks like a nice haul!

Thanks Raef, you know what you guys are more on point and up-to-date than the offical dallas cowboys page, I never was a TO fan, hated him ever since the star incident, but you a person posted that was 5 years ago and baring anything else I think this is a good match, TO on oneside, terry glen has to be one-on-one with jason on TE, jones and barber should be licken their chops because you can say good-bye to 8 man fronts, if TO signs. I just hope it can work..at least for summer camp….

Jason,

Dallas won’t have a kicker on display unless they spirit Vinatieri in this weekend and sign him immediately. If Brown got an offer sheet, the Seahawks would have a week to match it.

I hope JJ has a hold card. I’d like to be pleasantly surprised on Monday with a signing not mentioned yet.

you guys on peterson, i think he has proven it with three pro bowls. and while his production was slown last year Achilles injuries tend to seriously slow down even the most athletic football players, for an extended period of time. i think he will get better, as i said, when Deion had â€Å"turf Toe” it looked like he would never play again, retired came to washington a year later and looked awful, retired agaian and came back for the ravens and has been extremely dependable for them. i think it takes some time. but within this year or mayeb the next he will back to his old self. even when his production was at its low this season he still wasetn half bad. id love to bring him aboard. but i agree with you if we can get him cheap might as well i say. which i think he will be because there isnt really a whole hell of a lto of people banging down his door or blowin up his phone if you havent noticed. singleton isnt bad but he isnt the julian peterson of 2003 before his injury, and if we can get that guy at a discount price would you not much rather have him, and even if we can get him, we can still use singleton as a rotation to keep everyone fresh. and might i add our linebackers always seem to be dropping like flys for some reason, the best linebacker in the last decade was coakley, the guy was simply there no matter what injurys and all, dat wasent necessarily injur prone but he wasent coackly if i can recall. oh yeah and i would much rather have sinorice moss the second round then waste my number one on holmes who i dont see as having anything special. now if chad jackson is available thats a different story
now this of course all changes if Vernon Davis is available, although we just got a second tightend today. just imagine running 2 WR 2 TE sets with T.O. lining up left and Glenn right, then we have vernon davis and jason witten on the insides. who are you goign to attempt to cover?? because all four demand a double team(this i am anticipating for vernon davis, since i havent seen him play nfl down yet, i just think he has greatness written all over his lightning fast 40 yard dash)

my only question is where do i get my t.o. jersey??? and another quesiotn.. WHERES ADAM VINITEARI!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?

Okay, I seemed to have closed down the last two articles with my post so mabye it’s a really stupid idea or perhaps i have lepresy or perhaps it’s because it is about Three in the morning over there (while being around seven thirty saturday night here in Brisbane). I will post this one more time then get off this damn computer. I will check if i got a response in the morning, which will be around 2-3 saturday afternoon for you fella’s. Rafeal, sorry mate for posting this three times. See ya!

Trade Down.

Because it looks like we wonâ€â"¢t have any glaring needs and we could probably get the playerâ€â"¢s we want in the second round, how about a trade down out of the first round similar to the bills trade two years ago. We could have two seconds this year and two first rounders next year. We could get a good safety (bullocks) and offensive lineman (Scott, Spencer)this year with our seconds. Next year, in Parcells and probably Bledsoeâ€â"¢s last year, we could then package our two firstâ€â"¢s and move up for a franchise QB (Brady Quinn) who could learn from Bill and Drew for a year before before taking over with a new coach. A new era of the Cowboys will have begun.

Also there seems to be a good chance that teams with a young QB (Sf49ers Smith, Jets Cutler, Texans Carr, Redskins Cambell, Packers Rodgers, Titans Young) will be picking top five so there should definately be teams willing to trade down for a couple of number ones and a third.
By next years draft we hopefully will know what we have better in Henson and Romo and if niether of them seems likely to successfully take over for Bledsoe then trade up for the young gun QB. If they do look good keep both firstâ€â"¢s and draft a wide reciever and nose tackle.

What do ya think?

p.s. if in the time it took me to write this another thread has come up and this one is obsolete i will…well…i don’t know, but it sure will give me the st!ts.

TO appears to be a troubled, childish soul. He seems to want to proove everyone wrong. He can’t be a good influence on the Cowboys. Having said that, when he wears the silver and blue, I root for him. Period and no doubt. Don’t care what he did or what he does, I’m rooting for him when he’s on the field.

2 line men, 1 TE, 1 LB, 1 wr (maybe, won’t believe till I see it)….not bad….we’re just missing Safety and a Kicker and that nobody get’s hurt. I still hope they don’t cut Larry Allen.

we should also re-sign KJ and bring in Peterson. Talk about a pressurised locker room man. Let’s give big Bill a little bit of the stress he gave us last year ;)

It’s a great feeling to have gone from a veritable boatload of needs just yesterday to today where we can say OK we need a K and FS, and an OLB would be nice.

I think if we pick up the K and FS we can address everything else in draft by just taking the BPA.

luke, while i like the idea of trading down. it’ll be tough if they want one of the good olb. although it looks like good ot and og talent will be availble in the 2nd.

but they wouldn’t draft a franchise qb in parcell’s last year. simply to allow the next regime to decide their faith.

predict Dallas trades down in first round to Chiefs for first round swap this year or next year so that team that needs WR can get it Dallas will be trading down for O line and safety help

add CB to Chiefs needs If the wr or cb is there that Chiefs want, predict a trade up with Dallas to get it

Alright!!! I feel much better about things now. Things are taking great shape!!

Even though T.O. is a huge impact I feel better about getting Fabini and a decent looking TE and having our first 2 signings already aboard, than anything else right now.

If we can get a kicker, looks like Brown or AV from this point on since I cannot imagine not having someone of at least those 2 guys caliber, we’ll be looking pretty sweet.

But why stop with just T.O. at the WR position? He is not a fix-all contrary to what most are saying.
Yes, he’ll command double teams opening up possibilities for others but what if he goes down?

Then we’re left with essentially 2 slot receivers in our passing game. Still would love to see us continue our youht movement and go after Javon Walker, allowing TG to be a slot WR, which would really keep defenses on their heels. How many teams have a good slot corner??? TG would eat alot of teams up there.

Does anybody know if there is a S in this years draft with the size to potentially play either S position?
I like that BP wants guys that can play more than one position.

With all the talk about Abraham being traded to Seattle for their first round pick and while Atlanta is offering only a second round pick and not interested in departing with Shawb, and since Seattle has less than a week to match Minnys 49mil offer sheet to Hutchinson, I’d take a serious look at signing the transition kicker Brown to a offer sheet instead of Vinateri who is what,34 years old. If seattle matches the offer sheet to Hutchinson and trade and sign Abraham to a long term deal, Seattle will probably have to let Brown walk if Dallas gives him a good size signing bonus to the offer sheet.

Derrick, I agree. If we give a big enough signing bonus to Brown, Seattle probably will have to give him his walking papers. I believe we are better off with a younger, less expensive kicker who can potentially be with us for 7 or 8 years. Vin is starting to get up there in age. We have never in recent years had a good kicker for a long time.

Good point about the kicker situation with Brown…that may be why there has not been an immediate attempt at putting him to a contract.

Some of the advantage with Peterson at an outside linebacker position, is that he is still very effective at making plays. He has very good speed and is able to stay with tight ends as well as the very elite running backs. Consider who he will be going against in the NFC East…where very elusive running backs dominate on the Redskins, Giants, and Eagles. He would be a definite influence maker in the areas, within conference, that would most affect the progression of accumulating wins as the season progresses. He would still have to be defensed in a similar manner to that of Ware on the opposite side….Peterson is still the top free agent on the defensive side, and if paired with the signing of TO, would give the Cowboys the very top offensive and defensive players in free agency this off season???? That wouldn’t be a bad haul in itself. Add in another veteran, Ayodele, and the team will NOT have an experience drain, with the departure of La’Roi Glover! Not a bad thing….

CWBoy,
I agree that we need one more WR. Since he joined the league (96-97), Glenn has played in three full seasons. Since the 99-00 season, Owens has played only 1 full season. If/when one goes down, we’ll be hurting. I think our next big signing should be to bring Key back. I think Crayton could fill in for Glenn and Key could fill in for Owens. When all are healthy, Glenn goes to the slot like you said.

the ranch report’s sayin one of the reasons peterson’s still out there is he’s wantin’ 18-20mil guaranteed..

:lol:

Riiiight …

PEERLESS PRICE!!

when is the time we have to make a decision on LA? isnt it in april before the draft?

the future of the franchise plays today for the fire…..Drew Henson of course.

Seriously, we only sent Hutch over there as a last resort. Do yall think Henson is done if he don’t light it up in Europe……or is Jerry going to let him remain a 3rd stringer behind a IAA QB who is a better golfer than a QB?

Henson has said he wanted to go to Europe and asked to go…….but you gotta figure Bill and Jerry were thinking Europe for Henson anyway. As a 3rd stringer he ain’t a big loss if he is injured and does not figure to get on the field next year unless Bledsoe suffered a season ending injury……..and Dallas had a NY Jets run of QB injuries.

Ramsey to the Jets for a 6th….way to go Spurrier you sure know your PRO QBS!!! While we complain about our future QBs realize the Redskins have wasted picks on Heath Shuler and Patrick Ramsey in the first round. Along with Jeff George, Brad Johnson, and every other journeyman QB taking snaps under center in Washington.

JEAN-JACQUES TAYLOR of The Dallas Morning News was on ESPN radio this morning and said the Cowboys will release Larry Allen in a couple of weeks, Larry would be due his roster bonus April 1.

I saw the LA release happening, as much as I hate to see him go, I knew he wouldnt restructure and Kosier could man the position and is getting paid to be a starter. This gives us more cap room, we can afford either Vinatieri or Brown easily, dont forget the cap goes up another 7 mil next year.

T.O. is all about winning. I love his attitude. I like how he called out Mcnabb for being out of shape in the Superbowl. The Eagles should have sided with TO – and dumped McNabb or told him to shut up. TO made them a Superbowl contender. He creates the running game and makes average RBs like Barlow and Westbrook superstars. He changes entire defensive schemes. Andy Reid is a lousy head coach for not controlling a very cntrollable situation. Players respect TO as evidenced as after he was suspended more than half the Eagles team went to his B-day party. TO is not intelligent and therefore the media takes advantage of his outspokeness similar to Chad Owens who learned from TO’s mistakes.
The Boyz got the best WR in the game – TO just wants to win and isnt afraid to speak his mind. If he hurts your feelings – tough – be a man and step up – dont whine like a schoolgirl – just win baby!

mike,

I believe I recall reading that Allen’s bonus is due on April 1.

"Here’s your bonus Larry.

“April Fool! It’s really a pink slip.”

Jimmyc100,
Another guy with the blinders on, The Eagles made it to the championship game three years prior to T.O getting to philly and they made it to the superbowl in the forth year without T.O who missed the playoffs and the last month of the season with a broken ankle. Its always someone elses fault with T.O, its never his fault,T.O’s a two years old,he’s an I guy, he only cares about one thing,money, thats it, WAKE UP juiimyc100

Anybody thinking about trading up and taking Vince Young? Bledsoe isn’t getting any younger and the Saints don’t seem to need this draft pick so high. For 1 year, Young could learn from Bledsoe and go into the starting job in 2007. Can you imagine Vince Young with T.O.?

VINCE YOUNG, the bust of the 2006 draft.

The Draft.
Who here would take Vince Young if he drops? From what I hear, this is a realistic possibility with Leinart and Cutler being the first 2 QB’s taken. I dont take Ko Simpson at 18. I would take him with a late first or second. He would drop into the second if you ask me. I also think Daniel Bullocks will be just as good. The only Safety worth ttaking at 18 is Huff or Jimmy Williams. Remember Jason Allen is fully healed too and worth a late first. I think we take an OLB with our first or trade down unless we go after Chad Jackson maybe consider Young if he drops. So in the first, we have Lawson, Carpenter, Wimbley, Chad Jackson, Vince Young at 18 or we drop down and consider the same players above plus McNiel, Scott, Santonio Holmes, Gabe Watson, Jason Allen, Ko Simpson, Daniel Bullocks and Charles Spencer, Max Gene Giles.
If we can do Raf’s hypothetical deal with Denver, I think we go for it and get 2 players worth fighting or a startering spot.

jkyu:

I like the thought of Vince Young if he slides down the draft like Aaron Rodgers did last year. With the quarterback movement this week, it’s a possibility. I wouldn’t give up much though.

jimmyc100,

If Terrell Owens is all about winning, then why did he tear apart a team over a contract dispute?

When a player has a contract dispute, which happens frequently enough, he doesn’t have to drag his teammates into the discussion. There was no excuse for that.

It looks like Owens will become a Cowboy, and I can handle that. But that is no reason to be making excuses for something that is inexcusable. Everything that happened between Owens and the Eagles was because he wanted a new contract, and was willing to be as disruptive as possible to either get one, or get released.

Owens is a jerk. He won’t be the first Cowboy to be a jerk, and probably won’t be the last. But, please do not try to make him the hero over what he did last year.

starting spot..sorry
I think we may still go after Sowell, Marcus Coleman, and consider the OLB’s still out there Peterson and even Arrington. I believe BP could urn Arrington into a holy terror.

Derrick – To make it to the playoffs, you need to win games in the regular season. TO was instrumental in getting them to the playoffs. They are horrendous without him. The Eagles defensive was the only think won playoff games for them. He was the one who stepped up in the Superbowl and kept them in the game. TO has spoken nothing but truth. He isnt a dope smoker, roid user, or nailing strippers on boats. TO is busting his ass doing sit-ups and getting ready for the season to play. Most of the time, it has been the fault of other people. The Superbowl was NOT HIS FAULT and I HATE THE EAGLES!

Theres a really good read by Eric Allen on the TO thing, and I cant agree more with what he says. He brings up good points like Parcells is the first coach hes ever had thats won a Super Bowl, and that BP loves players who bust their butts, which is def Owens. I cant wait for football, he will be a great fit, really cheap for a top 3 WR, and make our offense explosive.

Jimmyc100,
Oh, so the eagles only got to three championship games because of their defense, before T.O got there.You are lost!!

I think if we get a OLB and FS with out first two picks then we will be unstoppable on offense and unmovable on defense this year and we are instant Super Bowl contenders but we also have o think about then future thus Chad Jackson, Vince Young and other positions.
I wonder what type of OG would be available in the 3rd.

Mr Bill,

Dont you remember Emmitt Smith holding out two games over a contract dispute?? Two games the Boyz lost – however, they did win the Superbowl. Regardless, it is a business – TO risked his entire health/career for the team to play in the Bowl. He deserved to ask for more and TO did not sit out any games.

biotrek,

I agree with your take on the draft, and with all the players you mentioned. Young would have to be seriously considered if he were to fall to #18, which I doubt. I also believe the Cowboys would jump at the chance of taking Winston Justice, if he is still there.

Derrick,
The Eagles offense has been mediorce ever Randall Cunningham to Irving Fryar connection ended. Who cares about “making to to the Championship game anyway?!?” Its about the Ring!

had any respect for Judge Clark this could help you lose it.
http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/9317004

As everyone has said previously TO is not unmanageable. BP can handle anyone. The Cowboys as an organization have not had issues dealing with “troublemakers” before.
See Keyshawn,Deion,Charles Haley etc. That was before the big tuna.

jimmyc100,

As I stated in my earlier post, contract disputes are relatively common. While Emmitt’s dispute certainly cost the Cowboys, he never dragged his teammates into the muck in an attempt to force his release.

That’s the problem. Owens turned a business dispute into a personal dispute, which blew apart his team. While Emmitt’s dispute certainly affected the team, he never made it personal, and the Cowboys were able to welcome him back and recover, once the contract dispute was resolved.

Jimmycqoo,
I suggest you go read the link article SHOOP posted, it might enlighten you on the Cancer were about to sign.

Hi all!
Luke-
I say we trade down(my position all along) and go for the SAME players in rd2. The only way I stay put in rd1 is for V Davis.
Casual-
When I say Peterson needs to prove anything, I mean about his size/fit in this scheme/injury status. God knows the guy is a playmaker, that was never in dispute. And you know I agree about the injury time-sometimes it takes more than one season which is why I keep screeming to give AJ more time to develop.
Derrick-
PLEASE tell me how V Young is the bust of the draft. I figure these little speedsters take more time to adjust than guys like linehart, but BUST? Idon’t think so-Please give us some substance to your reporting.
Mike-
As painful as it is, LA’s ststus is basicaly in his own hands. If he restructures to something closer to his value he’s good-if not see ya LA thanks for the memopries. Raf if it happens, can we start a support group blog to help those in need of comfort? (myself included) the end of an era.

Mr Bill.

Like it or business is sometimes personal. It got overblown by the media becasue it was TO. Brett Favre did the same thing to Javon Walker. Walker almost had a career ending injury. Main stream white america can not relate to TO and where he came from therefore its very easy to paiont him as the villain

What do yall think of Brodrick Bunkley? If he fell to us in the first would you take him? What if Vernon Davis, Brodrick Bunkley, Ko Simpson, Bobby Carpenter, and Vince Young are all on the board? It could happen. Trade down and take who? Or who do you want so bed that you cant wait to turn in that card?

If Young slips to the 18th slot wouldn’t it make trading down even more worthwhile. We might get a first, this year and next, and a second for the spot, maybe more.

I completely agree with Schoop. TO is manageable – problem players have gone hand and hand with Boyz. BP will have a bigger problem finding a kicker than worrying about TO. I cant wait to see TO dance on the Star to celebrate!

Brodrick Bunkley and Ngata seem the only sure first round DT. I’d take him at 18 for sure

Jimmyc100, quit being silly. most of us on this blog try to take Cowboy issues seriously. If race baiting is all you’re about I’ll just skip your posts from now on.

MLF
Vince is not worth it. The Cowboys need to address the OL line and safety position. Reggie McNeal late or Marcus Vick will be much better QBs

MLF – I wasnt making it an issue just stating the obvious.

Reggie McNeal is a faster, stronger Randall Cunningham with superb accuracy. Marcus at the same time is a much better pocket passer than his big brother. Marcus Vick = Tom Brady as far a possible 7th rd potential Superbowl QB

I have to disagree with jimmy….Vince Young is the real deal to me. When the game is in doubt, he takes over like Jordan did with the Bulls. He keeps his guys loose and is an incredible leader which if you ask Bill Parcells is one of the most difficult jobs of the QB. Some have it and some dont. Many gifted QB’s dont make it simply becuase they arent good leaders. Young is. He led NCAA with passing efficency and he can run extremely well when needed to. If he’s there at 18. I dont think twice. If we have to move up, I think I let him be.

Vince Yooung,

Took most of his college snaps in the shot gun
Very poor Mechanics, pushes the ball
not an accurate passer(dont throw me percentages when talking about a college player and translating it to the pros)
throws off his back foot far too much
college offense isn’t the pros
has trouble reading defenses
Doesn’t have a bigtime arm, doesn’t have the zip on the ball to throw the twenty yard outs in the pros.
Another player looking to run first, this is why Vick suffers and is a far better player than Young.
When stock sky rockets after one college game aginst a very suspect defense at USC, thats a red flag.
Wonderlic test, comprehension test, failed it, how is he going to understand the playbook he’ll have to comprehend.
Doesn’t participates at the combine workouts, doesn’t have an agent, but a posse, shows me he doesn’t have his head in the right place

If Vince young switched to wide reciever, he’d be one of the best recievers coming out as he has the size and speed.

I think Eric allen has good points but went a little over board with this statement:
Of course one of the biggest reasons why this is such a great fit is because it’s Dallas. This city loves and knows its football and Owens will never be bigger in the minds of the fans than players like Drew Pearson, Emmitt Smith, Troy Aikman, Michael Irvin, Roger Staubach, etc. Also, this is a city that is used to great receivers who are a little bit off the beaten path. Owens will fit in perfectly in that regard.

Bigger than Staubach,Irvin Aikman and Smith? I thought he was joking at first.

I hope TO and or ROsenhaus are listening to some of the comments floating around. Miami said they are unwiling to sign Key because of hs past inspite of his past 2 seasons with the ‘Boys. If TO screws up with Dallas it could be his final team. I can’t see many people jumping at the chance to nab a 33+ receiver who has been a trouble maker on 3 teams. He’s lucky JJ and BP are crazy enough to give him a shot. Anybody worried about us being stuck with him look at Drew Brees contract with the saints. They ar basically guaranteeing him one year. Bill and JJ are Smart enough to protect themselves from gettin too big pf a shaft in the end.

Reggie McNEal is not anywhere near Young and Marcus Vick is a joke. He wont even get drafted then as a UFA will be asked to switch to a Safety like Woody Dantzler

only Davis seems to me to be a must have.
Marcus vick? Realy?! I could see us grabing him, but with a behaviour clause. At least TO never shot/stabbed/killed/rapped/Dui’d anything/one.LOL
Derrick-I know and respect your take on TO-but please…He’s on your team, let’s try to WELCOME him in like The classy organization that we are and not pre judge him for something that happened BEFORE. Give him a chance, hell he’s here anyway.

i agree with mlf, the race card in sports is a joke

Boitrek,

Vince is a great QB. However, if you dont have an offensive line or defense it doesnt matter QB. The QB position is one of the hardest to forecast in the NFL as the busts go on forever. If Trent Dilfer can win a Bowl – it proves my point.

FYI, Marcus Coleman is for sure visiting Dallas on Monday I ran in to him last night and he has a meeting with Parcells and Jones Monday morning.

Derrick,

We might not be on the same page with TO but at least we are with Young. Well presented!

NO on Marcus Vick, he sucks. You couldnt pay me to have this guy on the roster, I cant wait to see no one pick him draft day.

As for OG in the 3rd round, although 2nd looks better to me (Davin Joseph can play OG and OT so hes my pick right now), 2 guys come to my mind: Kevin Boothe, who could be the absoulte steal of the draft, and Rob Sims who can also play G and T.

Theres only 2 players I would move up for: NT Ngata and FS Huff. QB would be interesting, but we will see how Henson does. Vernon Davis is no longer needed, neither is Ferguson who I see being gone with the 4th pick.

mlf,
Fair enough but who do you think would be willing to make that trade and where do you think we would end up? If Vince fell to 18 I would think that there wouldnt be alot of teams chompin at that bit.. But I could be wrong. I would be in such a quandry in that situation. I would love to have Bunkley, but at the same time I think in a couple years Vince Young will have been the steal of the draft at 18. It’s not exactly a need situation, but do you really think we will have a shot at Brady Quinn next year? I’m a little excited to watch Henson play in about a half an hour. Vernon Davis is a beast. Imagine TO, TG, JW, JJ, Davis, and MB# with our reworked line, GOOD LORD. It would be like the ’99 Rams out the but with big physical TEs. WOW + our D. One word, Unstopable.

Everyone has their opinion on Young. Time will tell. My bet is that he revolutionizes the QB position. He is much much better than Mike Vick. He’ll be better then Randall Cunningham. Forget about his mechanics. Bledsoe doesnt even have the right mechanics. TOO much is made of mechanics. Their are countless QB’s with strange mechanics which have become SuperBowl Winners and Pro BOwlers.

if vince did fall to 18 i would deffinetely NOT draft him. we could trade down to someone wanting a running QB. pick up somemore picks and let BP do his magic. stock pile talent, take best available.

matt jones of the jaguars, former arkansas quaterback had similiar talents as young, and he had to switch to wr to play in the nfl. i agree a position switch could fit young, but man he is a game maker if there ever was one!!

Jimmy- Yea . I agree with your last point…but we already have a defense which was decent last year and will be better this year without additions and we have already added Ayodele and will undoubtedly add a FS and OLB.
Our offense has added Hannaman, Kosier, and Fabini, with Adams back. We need some more OL prospects but we are set.

no one in the draft worth moving up for. I feel they will only move up to fix a glaring hole. We don’t have one. Only players worth moving up for would be AJ Hawk, D’Brickashaw Ferguson or Mario Williams. None of which are going to happen as we won’t be giving up 2 picks just to get one of those.

Blitzkreig:

Hey, we’re making kind of a “blitzkreig” in FA now aren’t we?

I hope it continues with a great K now.

You’re right about TG, I hope he stays healthy but is a hard playing gutsy guy who is NOT big or strong so he could go down with one hit. I have no prob with Crayton stepping in for him but we need a replacement for TO if he goes down.

BP is good at contingency planning, as he self-professes so I hope he has a plan at making our WR corp as deep as it’s ever been.

I like KJ too but 3 WR’s over 30 doesn’t make sense to me. Either a decent WR in the draft or go after Javon. Javon could play 5-6 years after TO retires hopefully with a couple of Lombardi trophies.

On LA, I’ll miss him but I think it is time to open up $3.5 mil more in cap room and get younger on the OL.
We will probably draft at least one potential starter on the OL in the 2nd round.

Eric Allen meant TO will never be as big as those players in Cowboys fans hearts, Pearson, Irvin etc will always be bigger than TO no matter how many SB’s he brings us I think.

Lou C,

Marcus Vick does not suck. He made the Cavs a Natl championship contender playing in a big shadow. He made some dumb college mistakes. He will grow up. The Cowboys passed on Randy Moss because of college mistakes…

Oh yeah and Derick, I have proved you wrong on the Vince young thing before.. Come on, He cant throw a 20 yard out? He beat OSU with just such a throw in the clutch. You are just hatin on him and your arguement makes no sense. AND as I’ve said before, It wasnt one game. He beat 3 top 4 college teams in just under a year. Michigan, Rose bowl ’05. Ohio State in Ohio ’05, USC, Rose bowl ’06. And thats not even thowin in beating Oklahoma who was ranked 8 at the time i belive. Give it up…

marcus vick is a thug, and always will be, if he couldnt behave with his talents, and pedigree, he is a lost cause

i see the canadian league, or arena for little bro vick

If Vernon Davis falls to #18 we nab him!!

Whew!! That guy is a monster in the making and I can’t imagine him being there, but we’de have to go with the BEST athlete and potential star there. Can you imagine Witten and Davis in a 2 TE set.

DT’s can be aquired thru FA, or in later rounds but a guy like Davis just does not come along often.

You think San Diego would have loved to have AGates down near the end zone last year on us or a guy like Davis. They are rare commodities.

V Davis at 18!!

It will be sad to see LA go to – he was the heart and soul of o-line but his salary/age are too much…You know Parcells likes to bring in retired Vets to watch over players like TO – maybe the Kitchen???

or a jail cell next to maurice clarett

I doubt Davis falls down to 18.

Where’s Moss now? sure he was awesome and all, but the headaches! Okay, I’ll still take him LOL

-I like the trade with Denver for their 2 1st round picks. I actually suggested it over a week ago. If so, i’d use one of them to draft jason Allen as FS from Tennessee. I’d even trade the 22nd for a pick next year and an extra 2nd rounder(mid round or better) I know for OL, we like jonathon scott of Texas and charles spencer of pitt. some good players will be there deep in the 2nd this year

jimmyc100,
How about bringin in Brian Cox to watch over him ;-)

Marcus Vick, Maurice Clarrett, Lawrence Phillips…HMMM…This TO thing don’t seem so bad now huh?

speaking of future bust quaterbacks, has anyone heard what the hell quincy carter is into these days?

I’ll even add the Lewis “Brothers” in Baltimore.

Gunner, throw in Ray Lewis and what’s his name from Carolina…

Of course V Davis won’t be there but it was mentioned in an earlier post and I was just weighing in.

I wish he’d be there!!

We are not getting Davis unless we trade up.

Quincy is dealing the good stuff outta the back of a white castle burger joint in south Atlanta. LMAO!!!

Rae Carruth

OLB any additional thoughts/rumors on Lavar as OLB. Initially, i was very much against it b/c of his freelancing. I would still be very against it if we ran a 4-3. But he could be a monster in the 3-4. He can rush the passer from that OLB position as good as anybody. The question of cost remains.

K-I bet we sign josh brown to an offer sheet sunday or monday. timing it with the hutchinson thing. The hawks also want peterson. No way they can keep everyone. AV will probably be around another week giving the josh brown thing time to work out. thoughts?

Impatient,
I’m not hating on your boy, I’ve watched the kid play alot, again you must be a longhorn fan anf to throw out what a guy did in college, those stats mean nothing, it all about mechanics, comprehension and character.
He exactly like Matt Jones as intrustintuna pointed out, I said he’d would be the best wideout coming out if he changed positions. We’ll see.

I bet Calvin Hill has already talked to TO if CHill is still around.

Is CHill still with the organization?

Not that Calvin would have a huge impact on TO, but KJ might as strange as that might sound.

May be a good reason to bring back KJ.

seriously, does anyone know if quincy is trying to play football at all?

I honestly think TO will respect Bledsoe and we may not see the same problems with TO, and I would hope he learned his lesson.

If not, he is just psychotic.

I’ll bet TO mentions how much he likes and will respect playing for a guy like Drew in his press conference.

Will he be telling the truth?

Impatient, I posted that scenario without researching the posibilities. I’ll do that later but have no time right now. I’ll try to find a team needing a QB bad, with draft picks that we may like. Later.

Derrick, Fair enough and time will tell. I think the thing that sets Vince apart from Matt Jones is that he did his thing under the spotlight on a team that was never ranked lower then #2 all year. Matt Jones was nowhere near the leader at Arkansas. I am not sure that Arkansas ever cracked the top 20 while he was there. In fact Arkansas went 5-6 his senior year.

Drew Henson playin on NFL network right now folks.

Vince will be a great pro where-ever and what ever position he plays, but I think there will be much better options down the road at QB.

He has gotten better every year and has great up-side. Just not sure he will go higher than 20th in the draft. My bet is he’ll be there at 18 but WE may not be there and there will be other players more attractive to BP. He will not draft a project like VY.

impatient, that just proves that vince had tremendous talent around him, wonder what his numbers would have looked like if he played on arkansas roster. look at the careen stats, very very similar young vs jones. very similar players, plus matt is smart, and obviously, vince is not

jimmyc100,

I agree that Favre was wrong to throw his two cents into Walker’s contract dispute, even though I agreed with what he said at the time. Another thing that Favre should have considered was that if his contract wasn’t so expensive, the Packers might have been inclined to throw some cash in Walker’s direction.

The same thought applies in relation to McNabb and Owens. That STILL does not absolve Owens of blame in dragging McNabb into his contract dispute.

The thing you need to remember is that it was a deliberate act, not just something he blurted out. Owens wanted a new contract. The Eagles were not cooperating. So, Owens decided to be so disruptive that, if the Eagles still refused to give him a new contract, they would release him to shop his wares elsewhere. That is when he started dogging it during training camp, malingering, and further damaging his relationship with his quarterback. Jealousy over McNabb’s contract is no excuse.

Yes, it IS easy to paint a villain as a villain. In fact, Owens buys the materials and draws the outlines for you.

Celebrate the abilities that Owens will undoubtedly bring to the Cowboys, but please do not try to whitewash his past activities.

After watching Vernon Davis at the Combine I’d be amazed if goes later that the tenth pick. What a stud and an instant impact player. I don’t think he fills a need for the Cowboys anyway but I hope he doesn’t end up in the NFC East.

vince young is a great prospect for a offense that needs an identity we would have to change the whole outlook and scheme of our offense to do that it could take 2 to 3 years to do that we dont have that time ton waitwe have too good of a team now to change everything he will go to a team like the raiders who have no offensive identity on marcus vick he is the next clarett he will probably get drafted 2nd day to play wr but after draft day we will never hear about him again

There’s no way V.Davis falls to 18 – his upside is tremendous. Doubtful that Bunkley falls – he’ll fit perfectly with what the Browns are doing. Maybe Young can fall, but I doubt that as well – plus others would be willing to move up to get him.

There’s no telling what to do come draft day – who knows who will be available. I feel the following guys are great value at 18 and fill a need: V.Davis, W.Justice, M.Huff, B.Bunkley, E.Sims, K.Wimbley (Sims & Wimbley are good, not great value here). Of course, this all depends on what is left in Free Agency – if Dallas gets a Peterson the OLB need drops.

If we can’t get one of those guys, then I like the idea of trading down.

As to losing Larry Allen – I’d like to see him restructure and stay a Cowboy. I think the draft has some real road graders that can be taken in the 2nd and 3rd rounds who, in time, can become quality starters.

itrustintuna,
I agree there but I also think that without Vince, Texas is not the national champion. My point is he was a difference maker at Texas and an exceptional leader. Not to mention all those wins I stated earlier were come from behind, so the dude is clutch. I like that in a player. I’m almost positive we wouldn’t take him but its fun to speculate. ;-)

Why would we even think about Davis we have Witten and now Hannan that would be a huge waste. We need FS and OLB the worst right now. Marcus Coleman has a meeting with Parcells and Jones Monday morning, so that will be a stop gap there we need to drop a couple of spots and still draft Carpenter, and then go in the 2nd with the best player available at OL, FS, or receiver. Everyone keeps talking about back up NT but I am betting Johnson and Ratliff have put on some serious weight and muscle in their first NFL offseason.

can you tell im a hog fan!! lol

itrustintuna, LOL

lou,

Huff and Ngata are the only ones I’d trade up for as well (although, I would love to get V.Davis). This D would be tremendous with either one of them, but I think Ngata would be my first choice. There’s a lot of talent at safety that can be found in the second, but there is no one even close to Ngata IMHO.

Drew Henson is playing on the NFL network with the Rein Fire.

J-Man
I agree with you on Jason Allen. I think he’ll be great but where do you nab him. At 18? I think we could drop down but not sure how far. I’d like a FS that could move into the slot like Darren Woodsen did. The players that I could see ndoing this are Huff, Williams, Allen, Simpson, Cromartie, and maybe Bullocks. There are a lot of FS/CB tweeners this year. We will take one of them and probably can get one in the second

Coleman has eleven years in the NFL and his stats, tackling and intercetions, have dropped off considerably the past three years. If we sign him it will be for backup and special teams. We need to get a starting FS elsewhere.

Yes, VY tore up the Trojan defense but anyone who saw the USC / Fresno State game would tell you that USC’s defense was extremely suspect.

I do not like his mechanics (much worse than Henson’s who is trying to re-work his in Europe as I type) or his arm strength. I would pass on VY.

I would not pass on Davis. I hope we get Lawson. if he is a clone of Ware, why not. Plus he supposedly has a great attitude.

J-Man
I also think Arrington could be a monster in the 3-4 in Parcells defense. I think too much has been made of his freelancing as some articles suggest. The question is his personailty and his contract. He could be LT in this defense.

i think hensons days are numbered

No Marcus Vick. This guy is a nut case. Did you see him stomp on Elvis Durmeil’s leg in V Tech’s bowl game? Classless. Plus tons of off-the-field issues.

I think some stupid team will draft him though. It’s just like the deal with Maurice Clarett a year or two ago. People were debating whether or not he would get drafted, and the stupid Broncos blew a 3rd rounder on him. Now he is out of football and in jail I believe. McNeal is way better than Vick, too.

I want one of the following for FS
Huff, Williams, Jason Allen, Ko SImpson, Antoniono Cromartie, o0r Daniel Bullocks.
hey are all FS/CB tweeners minus maybe Bullocks.
Darren Woodson was one of out all time great Safeties and I love how he moved into the slot

no wonder he is selling his house, lol. not to “get back to downtown”

Coleman for sure is meeting with us I talked to him yesterday and he is meeting with Parcells and Jones Monday. One thing is he played on the worst team in the league and their secondary was horrible and the LB’s couldn’t cover anyone. The Texans defense was lousy and he was put in horrible situations. He wouldnot be great but would be an upgrade and can cover still and is a super nice guy that would fit in the clubhouse and he is homegrown he went to Lake Highlands High School in Dallas.

gunnerklein,

While it may take more time for VY to develop than Leinert, which I don’t believe by the way, I think the fact that he is a speedster is a plus. While he’s on the field he has something to add that can still make plays while learning the passing game. Leiart offers nothing until he can learns the passing game.

Let’s not lose sight of the fact that VY is the only QB in NCAA history to throw for 3000 yards and rush for 1000. He is a mobile passing QB. If he were white with the same numbers you’d be making comparisons to Steve Young and not Mike Vick.

here we go with the race card again

The only thing about VY is scrambling quarterbacks get hurt alot and he runs straight up and with the speed in the NFL he might end up like Vick on IR all the time!

TL fan,

VY tore up USC along with almost every other team they played. If you think that’s the only game he excelled in, then you didn’t watch him. The guy led the nation in passer rating and a completion percentage north of 60%.

coleman was moved to safety in 2004 when the texans got dunta robinson for their corner, and in his defense, (livin here in houston i get more texans coverage than i can handle!!) he was one of the more outspoken players about the play calling on def. by the coaches,and about players lack of passion. after the coaching comment he got a nice talking too by the staff, he missed a meeting later, and was then benched,not only for that but the texans have alotta young guys , so with the season in the can they started playin em to see what they could do.he’d be fine for this year as another veteran to speak up, and help with the rookie the cowboys may draft or with davis.

TL fan,

VY tore up USC along with almost every other team they played. If you think that’s the only game he excelled in, then you didn’t watch him. The guy led the nation in passer rating and a completion percentage north of 60%.

I wish ya’ll would get off this Davis in the draft that would be such a waste when that is not a need we have Witten and Hannan. We need FS and OLB right now and youth at OL. So, we need 2 of these 3 Carpenter, Simpson or Bullocks, and Scott.

CASH this is not the ncaa if you go by numbers why not go get leaf or couch NFL is a thinking mans game which young does not do mark my words young as starter will never reach a super bowl and dont make this a race issue

i agree, drafting davis would be foolish at this time, hell, id rather have any that red raider has mentioned, or either santonio holmes as well

thank you for expressing that, adam, my thoughts exactly

mlf:
Don’t know if you read what I stated in a previous thread, but I said that you just can’t draw conclusions out of Coleman if you take into consideration the play of that Defense, 3 LB’s awful in coverage, 2 bellow average RCB’s, 1 kind of overrated LCB and horrible play from the SS position.

In Dallas he would be playing with an ex-teammate (Aaron Glenn), in a system in which he’s been playing for so long (3-4), for a coach that’s only going to ask out of him what he’s capable of giving (Parcells) and for one of the best secondary minds this team has had since Dave Campo left (Zim).

biotrek:
There’s no need anymore to move a Safety to the slot, last season took the job and he looked pretty good, if it isn’t broken…

BTW, I don’t see Parcells drafting or signing through Free Agency anymore of those injury risks, he’s already been burned badly by Ryan Young and Jacob Rogers, so I guess he will stay out of the Jason Allen (shoulder and hip) and Marcus McNeill (back) sweepstakes.

ryan leaf, lol

biotrek:
Sorry, I didn’t added Newman’s name in my answer:

Thereâ€â"¢s no need anymore to move a Safety to the slot, last season T-New took the job and he looked pretty good, if it isnâ€â"¢t broken…

Here are some of your thinkin men:

Matt Jones – 19
Drew Henson – 42
Joey Harrington – 32
Quincy Carter – 30
Daunte Culpepper – 18
Donovan McNabb – 14
Steve McNair – 15
Vinny Testaverde – 17
Randall Cunningham – 15
Jim Kelly – 15
Dan Marino – 15
Terry Bradshaw – 15
Brett Farve – 22
Ryan Leaf – 27

There are some Hall of Fame quarterbacks with lower wonderlic scores then Vince Young. So lets keep that out of the arguement folks. See Quincy Carter and we all know how he turned out, but he did score a 30. Makes you think huh?

Red Raider

Davis won’t fall to 18 so it’s no worry, but the reason you don’t pass on him is because he’s got the makings of a Hall of Fame career. We do have witten – a keeper, but Hannah is not a guy who will ever be anyting more than a blocker.

Davis will be a serious, dangerous weapon – I think you never pass on an impact player with over-the-top talent and skills like he has. He’s an incredibly strong tightend who loves to block (and does it well), is very coachable and can outrun almost all cornerbacks in the NFL. If he develops as I expect he will, he’d be any teams franchise player.

i heard vince young scored a 3

On the Young issue, I’ll give pause to the Wonderlic score, those scores in the past have shown in the past that they arent an indicative for what awaits in store, but I do know this, in College you can get away with poor mechanics because teams don’t go over game tape as much as in the NFL, if Young goes to the NFL with the same mechanics then he’s going to face tons of Ints and batted passes.

And his comments on not changing something that worked so well for him in College have been showing that he isn’t as matured as some would like him to be. College players should be saying that they will do almost everything that his team asks him to do or change.

Dallas announces news conference for 3:30 about TO!!!

sierrareef makes a very good point, but there is no way he’d fall to 18. Remember also, Witten’s contract expires this year…but it won’t happen because he won’t fall, and Witten is becoming a better blocker now, so I think us talking about that should probably stop now anyway.

and it was one of the lowest scores in histry of the test

Going to the Davis question, Why would you rather have an undersized wide receiver in Holmes when you can have a guy who is almost as fast but weighs in at 250, blocks, can catch anything and has all the skills of a wide receiver packaged into a tight end body? Come on now Holmes over Davis, can I have some of whatever your smokin? Besides you could always line Davis up at WR in some sets if you must have a WR.

theres no way he falls to 18…the 49ers, Cardinals, Lions, Raiders, ANYone could pounce on him in the top 10…I personally think it’s the 49ers if they don’t go RB

itrustintuna,
He scored a 16.
http://www.unc.edu/~mirabile/Wonderlic.htm

wonderlic scores are just part of it how about showing up to the white house in sweats while all of the other texas teammates are in suits or hiring a family friend who refers to himself as ’’black’’ as your agent or not showing up at the commisioners super bowl party when invited, all the other big name rookies were there. Dallas should not draft someone at QB WHO HAS THIS MUCH CHARACTER ISSUES. Lets see what kind of issues he can have after given millions of dollars to spend

Press Conference is 2:30 central

OK – this is being thrown out there just for fun. With everything that’s transpired in free Agecny so far, just for kicks – who would you take for Dallas if you had the 1st selection in the draft?

Me – D’Brickashaw Ferguson – We don’t have a need for Reggie Bush with our core of running backs & I’m a believr that the way to a great offense is to start with a dominating o-line.

NFL,Com is announcing 3:30P.M. E.T. Cowboy T.O. announcement?

VY isn’t a good fit in Dallas anyway….if Sean Payton were still here to coach him correctly, maybe. I’d much rather wait and take someone else like a Brady Quinn, or even a Jay Cutler if he falls…although I think our needs in the draft do NOT include QB…so this is just hypothetical

Hell, while we’re at it, let’s just talk about trading up to draft Reggie Bush, lol. All of this hypothetical draft stuff (VY, Vernon Davis) that is unrealistic…

i would agree D’Brickashaw all the way

1st pick no trade… BPA Reggie Bush

We will hopefully never have a hot at getting Brady Quinn. He will be a top 5 pick next year and we will be picking 32…. hopefully;-)

Hey if any of you have NFL Network, you should turn it on to see how Henson is doing… (Rhein is playing)

Finally, Cowboys.com is announcing a conference to announce largest Cowboy signing! http://www.dallascowboys.com/

Henson’s been benched for Timmy Chang

I was kidding about the reggie bush thing, lol….wow, I hope a whole thread doesn’t get started on that. I was just lightly making fun of the people who are making all these really unrealistic theories about the Cowbyos draft (like VY and Vernon Davis falling or something). There’s a big crop of good offensive linemen and safeties, so chances are we’ll trade down, although our history of 2nd round draft picks don’t show us fans much hope…

Quincy Carter
Jacob Rogers
Julius Jones (injury prone)
Antonio Bryant right?
Kevin Burnett (hasn’t shown us anything yet)

If we had #1 pick take reggie

are you serious, Henson’s been benched????

T.O. press conference at 2:30

Lighten up scotty, we are all just messin around. Its not like anyone has a clue what’s gonna happen in the draft. Ease down tigor;-)

does anyone know Henson’s stats?

Yup, Henson benched. Timmy Chang has been chuckin it to Zuriel Smith lol. Henson didn’t look too bad. He didnt get a chance to throw it much and when he did he was kinda lofting it. He did have a nice pass though that got called back for holding. Guy came through the line and Henson just got it off for a completion. So-So outing in my opinion.

is he benched cause of his play or are they just taking a good look at Chang, and also Tom Crowder is playing in this game as well.

wow, you think this press confrence will be for all three players or just TO

I bet the press conference will address free agency as a whole, but the obvious centerpiece of it all wil be TO….remember, Fabini hasn’t been officially introduced yet either

is it goin to be on TV, i know its on the official website but the picture might suck

Henson 0-2 in the entire first half of this NFL Europe game. We’ll see how he does in the second half, but not too promising.

Goes to show how unimportant these silly Wonderlic scores really are. Henson made a 43 out of 50. Doesn’t translate to how you read a defense or throw the football.

I’m sure NFL Network will do it…they do every press conference (even the really trivial ones)

Wouldn’t you crap if they came out to the podium. “Now announcing the newest addition to your Dallas Cowboys!!!” And out walks Adam Vinatieri.

He did blow off GB yesterday and nothing more has been heard. Announce him along with Fabini,Hannam and TO.

BIG BANG!!!!!

Drew Henosn back in but still ont looking like a phenom

hahaha, did you just see him trip while handing the ball off??

lol, it’d be crazy but i wouldn’t mind it, i’m think Josh Brown will sign though

If the Cowboys were able to keep something THAT quiet abotu Viniateri coming to Dallas, then MAJOR props to them…but that NEVER happens in today’s nfl unfortunately

In NFLE they have to play both QB’s I believe. If not the Rhein team is doing it as planned. I read something to that effect in an article about Henson, it was written in a sense to prepare viewers to not expect to see the starter (QB) play the whole game.

I agree with the posts above regarding Davis. Move on, he’s not going to be available.

not only benched, but benched for TIMMY CHANG, lol

to me this reminds of a time…

way back in Cowboy lore,

when a team showing flashes the previous season

hire a disgrunteled teamate – on a rivals team,

one who had actually taken a steaming hot dump ON A TEAMATES CAR!

well ya talk about leaving your team in a stink?

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think clint stoener may still be available for the #3 qb position, henson looks like a junior high qb

what you guys do if TO came….and he slowly uraveled the cowboys team and we found out that this was all a scheme by him and the eagles to destroy the cowboys and that the whole eagles-TO thing was just a diversion to kill our organization. kinda puts a dagger in my heart.

nice pass by henson

the joker 16: sure, and the boogie man is hiding at valley ranch

lol, im justa playin

lol

To those of you who say that there is no need to move the safety into the slot—thats SORTA true but TNEW has to move over and Aaron Glenn takes his place. We saw Glen get burned by Moss more then once. The question is are we better with Glenn on the outside and Newman inside or better leaving Newman where he is and letting a great cover safety/cb tweener take the slot and keep Newman outside and keep Glenn on the bench. If we had someone like Huff, Williams, Allen, or Simpson then I might leave Glenn on the bench and Newman where he is

If KJ came back can you imagine?

I can already see the fox pregame skit

BP as Spanky leading the rest of the Lil rascals

TO, KJ, TG

Espn news have the live broadcast. They just announced Jerry and Stephen would be there, along with Owens and Rosenhouse. Bp is probably drinking Margaritas someplace!

Hensons #s 3 for 8 for 28 yards!

adam,

so what makes you think VY can’t think? He scored a 16 on the Wonderlic. McNabb and Marino both scored lower. So tell me why is he too stupid and those two are not? Let me guess? You’re an ignorant racist redneck perhaps?

Tell me Cash, what do you think the Wonderlic measures?

And finally, for the record, this buzz about the Wonderlic came about because it was (sloppily) reported that Vince Young set a record for having the lowest Wonderlic – 6. Apparently it was mis-graded or mis-reported and he took another. Cat was out of the bag. The first grade brought this scenario attention, and it got legs.
He also hired a buddy to be his agent, a buddy who gave himself the nickname, “Black.” That’s what he wants people to refer to him as, like “P Diddy” or “Madonna” or the JImmy character on Seinfeld who referred to himself in the 3rd person. um.. Red Flag. Your franchise QB’s agent is a bar owner self titled, “Black”?
Also, he wasn’t that impressive in the Rose Bowl. USC’s defense is a joke. No pro ball players on that side of the ball. That wonderful performance won’t translate into guaranteed performance on Sundays. Apples to Oranges. In the pros, LBs and DEs WILL stay in their cutback lanes, they WILL run down Young, they will deal him CRUSHING hits on every play.
He reminds me of Vick, in that he’s more athlete than finished QB, and that’s the difference between him and Steve YOung. If VY can sit a while and learn, great… but, this takes us back to the Wonderlic, doesn’t it?

Race is an issue here for no one.

joey,

How many other players single handidly posted 470+ yards of offense on USC? The team who hadn’t lost in 2 years? And I’m not including return yards as everyone likes to do when proping up Bush. I don’t have to talk about VY as a runner to defend his projected ability as a QB in the NFL, his passing stats speak for itself. Guys with high wonderlic scores have failed and guys with lower wonderlic scores than VY have succeeded. If you aren’t going to back your argument up that VY will fail, with stats or numbers then race is an issue for you. You see a black kid with his size and speed and want to slot him in what you think is a non thinking mans position. I call it how I see it.

If we want to slot all players in what they appear to be according to some template, then Emmit Smith would never have been a Cowboy. At the end of the day it’s the results of your work. VY was the first QB ever in the NCAA to throw for 3k and run for 1k. He won all of the best QB awards they had to hand out. But apparently while Leinart’s stats in College are enough to answer your questions for some reason VY’s are not despite the fact he kicked Leinart to the curb when they faced each other. The only thin I can surmise is that you prefer a white QB which in and of itself makes you racist in your decision.

Oh my God can we all just stop with the racist BS. A white guy can do the same things a black guy can and vice versa. I don’t care if a player is black, white, asian, phillipino, polynesian, native american, eskimo or whatever. As long as he can play let him.

Vince has proved that he is an adequate QB. So has Leinart and Cutler. They can all be fantastic in college and then suck in the pros it happens all the time otherwise there would be an overabundance of quality QBs in the NFL and you wouldn’t have problems finding 32 of them.

Shoop,

You are correct about the QB’s probability of success. It’s the extra attention for the desire of failure on Young’s part that has created this house size chip on my shoulder. His detractors are looking for anything but what he has done on the field to label him something other than what he is, talented.

i have a quick question.1st just wanna say that i feel for the way i did dion i don`t like him but i`d just assume him scoring for us than facing him twice a yr.back to my question,i hear all this v.young talk but if we get brown or av then olb and saftey is what we`ll really need.we can get a olb in the 2nd and or 3rd round,but safety will have to be early.so what if we all assume big d is possibly moving down.what would we all do if they were secrectly trying to move up since saints got their qb that we swap picks and offer up la to sean payton for the #2 pick and get texas micheal huff to go with williams,newman,henrey,and glenn?think about that.

jimmyc100,

Marcus Vick = Tom Brady? Seventh round pick or not, Tom Brady wasn’t kicked out of college football. He has THE MATURITY to lead his team to 3 Super Bowl wins.

Marcus Vick’s lack of maturity gets him kicked out of College Football, then he pulls a gun out at McDonalds. Is he the kind of guy you want leading your team? At this rate, he’ll be keeping Maurice Clarrett company soon, not leading his team to the Super Bowl!

sierrareef,

I would still take Reggie Bush with the #1 overall pick. Reggie Bush, T.O., T.G. and Witten. Who are you gonna cover? You can always trade MBIII or JJ for a Free Safety! LOL We can only dream!

onepaneiolo,

Vick did not brandish a gun. He had a blackberry. the guy accusing him was arrested for robbery was trying to blackmail Vick made some mistakes with highschool girls since when he was 19 and got caught for speeding Big Deal.