Whither A Kicker?
T.O.'s done. Jason Fabini's a Cowboy. It's time to find a kicker.
A smattering of news:
-- Julian Peterson visits Miami today. The Dolphins are going 3-4 and need an end to bookend Jason Taylor, who now stands up as an end. I've found no confirmation that Peterson will visit Dallas.
-- Keep an eye on the Steve Hutchinson hearing today. The NFL and NFLPA will again butt heads before an arbitrator over the legality of the offer sheet G Steve Hutchinson signed with the Vikings. Seattle and the league claim a clause that assures Hutchinson is the highest paid OL on his team violates the new CBA signed two weeks ago. The players union contends it is legal.
If special master Stephen Burbank, a professor at U. Penn's Wharton School of Business, rules in Seattle's favor, the Seahawks will retain Hutchinson and use a giant chunk of its $20 million in cap room. Seattle will then try to finish the John Abraham deal or pursue Julian Peterson, who visited Seattle last week. That signing would further diminish the Seahawks' cap room.
The Cowboys are eyeing Seattle K Josh Brown and may be waiting for the Seahawks to burn some of their cap dollars before presenting Brown with an offer sheet. He is a restricted free agent and would cost Dallas a seventh-round pick if the Seahawks failed to match Dallas' bid.
-- Miami, like Dallas, is hip-deep in the kicker sweepstakes, though they have veteran Olindo Mare on the roster. The agent for Paul Edinger has been making the rounds, calling Miami and Dallas last week to guage interest. Edinger kicked for Miami coach Nick Saban at Michigan St. and made three game winning kicks for the Vikings last season.
He seems like a fallback option at best. Edinger was a poor 3 of 8 from 30 to 39 yards last year kicking in a dome. It's that type of performance that got Jose Cortez and Billy Cundiff cut last year.
-- The Boston Globe has a photo archive of Adam Vinatieri's 19 game-winning kicks up. (click link below his photo.) Surprisingly, only one of them was a win/loss kick, that being the 30-28 decider in the '99 season-opening win over Bill Parcells' Jets. The rest came in games that were tied. That doesn't cheapen his accomplishments, but I would have expected a little more drama in ten years.
-- In the rampant speculation department, watch the progress, or in this case, the non-progress of CB Ty Law. The Dolphins passed him over this weekend, signing former Giants CB Will Allen.
Miami was considered a strong contender for Law, who lives in the city. He was told by Kansas City earlier in the week that they could not afford him. Law may be suffering from Marco Rivera Syndrome. He's a talented player in his 30s, coming off a serious leg injury. Law played well last season, nabbing 10 interceptions for the Jets. He also made $10 million, which is too rich for even the wealthiest clubs, given his age.
There are still a few big contracts to be handed out. Hutchinson, Abraham and Peterson will get theirs. Adam Vinatieri will also get his, though he might not get what he wants. That said, all the position players mentioned are in their 20s. If MRS really is taking hold, Law might -- and I stress might -- become a candidate for the open free safety slot. I'm sure he would prefer one last payday at cornerback rates, but the Bill Parcells angle should be considered at this point. Law was the Tuna's top pick in '95.
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Law is good but will cost too much, Id rather just draft one, we are looking at guys like Jimmy Williams, Ko Simpson, Daniael Manning, they can get the job done for wayyy less. Also Commissioner Tagliblue will retire in July.
by lou c on Mar 20, 2006 12:24 PM CST reply actions
Thanks Raf:
I didn`t find anything on Peterson visiting Dallas either.
At this point I think BP may have a player tergeted in the draft to play safety. He really hasn`t made a play for the secondary in FA which to me means he will draft that position.
As far as kicker goes this one really got me. I thought for sure he would address this quickly in FA. But again he must have something up his sleeve.
I just wanted to take a moment to address some of the blogging I was reading over the weekend.
Not everyone is excited abou TO coming here. I respect those who want himm as those who do not. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.But there were many juvenile comments which I hope are gone. Respect everyones opinion. There are no rights or wrongs here just opinions. I have been on this blog for a year now & this is the first time I was actually annoyed with some of the comments between bloggers. Raf & Raul have worked hard to bring us this forum & the least we can do is respect their format & not subject viewers to that child like bickering. That being said I hope we can talk football & repect everyones opinion.
by Jesse NY on Mar 20, 2006 12:28 PM CST reply actions
Boy, what a difference a weekend makes. We now have our OL FAs, ILB, TE and WR. Guess that should sate the naysayers complaining about JJ’s lack of movement.
But the signings to date only patched holes…and then, with the exceptions of Ayodelle & Kosier, only temporarily. So expect the draft to include many OL, LB & playmaker candidates.
Rafael once again astutely pointed to the remaining needs…K & FS. I would add OLB, even though I’m a BIG proponent of Thornton & Burnett.
I profer that any of the options below would be great additions (in order of preference):
K – Vinatieri, Brown
FS – Law, Woodson, Draft Pick
OLB – Petersen, Arrington
Leaving our draft pick…
by Fighter15 on Mar 20, 2006 12:35 PM CST reply actions
Jesse NY,
NO!, I’m wright, your rong.
Nobody is being childish. Am not, Am not, Am not, Am not.
Only 170 more days
by Shane J on Mar 20, 2006 12:35 PM CST reply actions
Shane J:
Have your milk & go to sleep !
No TV for you tonight!
by Jesse NY on Mar 20, 2006 12:37 PM CST reply actions
Jesse,
Thanks for the backup, which I endorse. On the Law front, he probably is too expensive, but the market for corners seems to be dead, after being THE position the last two years.
What got me was Miami, whose judgement I respect, passing up Law for Will Allen, who was horrible for the Giants last year. Either Law’s price was way too high or the scouts feel he’s beginning to lose his cornerbacking skills.
If the latter is true, I’d give him a trial at FS. Because if he’s no longer considered a top tier CB, his price just came way down.
by Rafael Vela on Mar 20, 2006 12:45 PM CST reply actions
Adam V kicked two game winners in a SUPER BOWL, kicked one to tie and then the game winner in overtime against the Raiders to get them to the Super Bowl (in a snowstorm no less). mentioning how many of his kicks came in tie games versus kicking when behind in the score seems like a mighty fine distinction.
no one has been more clutch – when you need 3 points to keep from going to OT and just win now, or you need one to flat out win it, to get to OT so you can kick another and win – Adam V is the guy you want.
we got the WR with all his baggage and concerns. c’mon JJ – get the kicker too1
by BuckeyeMark on Mar 20, 2006 12:50 PM CST reply actions
Raf:
The will Allen signing shocked me also.
Is Saban that desperate for a corner ?
by Jesse NY on Mar 20, 2006 12:50 PM CST reply actions
BuckeyeMark,
It may look like I’m splitting hairs but I’m not. I don’t value him any less or want him on the team any less.
I’m just surprised how many kicks were in tie games. It made me wonder how many game winners there are league wide in a given year.
by Rafael Vela on Mar 20, 2006 12:58 PM CST reply actions
Jesse:
Yeah, too childish of a behaviour in the last few posts….
I just have one more thing to say about the Owens deal because I think that I wasn’t clear in my comment in a previous thread: Some people seem to have such a blind trust that Owens is going to be a model citizen just because this is his last shot at some years of big pay, well, the Front Office trust isn’t blind as they’re the ones that handed Owens 3 one year deals, so why would our trust be blind?
Now that’s out of my system:
In KFFL I read from a poster that apparently has a source inside the Ranch talking about Peterson, he has been accurate in some of the things he’s been saying from some time now, like Owens, Fabini and Ayodele. But he didn’t sayed that it was a sure thing, he sayed that the Front Office was looking to bring him here, so something says to me that his price tag is still too high.
Ty Law is an interesting prospect as he isn’t anymore a great cover corner but he still has those ball hawking skills that made him be known while at New England. The question is how much would he want to be paid for 2 to 5 years of FS play? I wouldn’t pay him much more than the deal signed by Darren Sharper a 4 year deal worth $14Ms and Law would most likley balk at the idea of playing for those bucks….
by Chandus on Mar 20, 2006 12:59 PM CST reply actions
I do not think we are interested in Peterson and shouldn’t be because he is to small to play strong side at 235lb and he is more a cover and pass rush LB. The Law idea is not bad though. On the FS side though Coleman is in today at Dallas to visit, so that is an option. If we do that we can trade down a few spots get Carpenter or Justice falls get him. But, ideally take Carpenter, and take Scott in the 2nd round or a young FS like Bullocks.
by red raider on Mar 20, 2006 1:00 PM CST reply actions
Where do we stand with the cap now that we have signed/resigned six players?
Also, anyone know if L.A. is going to rework his contract or are we going to cut him. Given a few series off each game (Koiser) could allow him to dominate in the 4th quarter again.
by eightball on Mar 20, 2006 1:03 PM CST reply actions
Am i the only one who has HUGE hopes for Tyson Thompson, i think this guy could be the next larry johnson. his speed alone makes him a badass runningback, if he learns his assignments i think he can do extremely well
by casual1031 on Mar 20, 2006 1:13 PM CST reply actions
If we dump LA it will leave us around $11 million under the cap. That is more than enough to sign draft day rookies and 1 or 2 June cuts. I’m thinking the Cowboys move down and get a Safety and 2 linebackers int he draft.
by Miamicowboy22 on Mar 20, 2006 1:18 PM CST reply actions
raf,
agree — would be interesting to see how many “make it or we get an ‘L’” kicks there are in a year.
some of that might be “we’re not behind a lot” like with Troy Aikman. he got criticized for not enough “come from behind victories” but his teams weren’t behind a lot (usually thought of as a good thing).
think Adam V will be the man no matter what, no matter what measuring stick is used.
think it is really sad that I’m this in to offseason football. I CAN STOP AT ANY TIME, I REALLY CAN!
by BuckeyeMark on Mar 20, 2006 1:24 PM CST reply actions
I am kind of torn with the LA scene. His best days are definately behind him , but he is still adequate at the position. If we cut him can we fill his spot ? Not sure at this point trying to fill these spots if we want to open up another. Of course much of this depends on what type of shape he is in. If he is out of shape like he has been in the past he might be a project himself.
by Jesse NY on Mar 20, 2006 1:27 PM CST reply actions
I think we should trade at of the 1st rd and pick up an extra 2nd this year and we can have 2 1st rd picks next year
by chris on Mar 20, 2006 1:39 PM CST reply actions
Thanks for the cap info.
I hope they can rework Allen’s contract. I saw many games last year where he blew open big holes early but late in games he was unable move the pile. They could implement a rotation similar to what they do with D Line.
by eightball on Mar 20, 2006 1:41 PM CST reply actions
casual……i am sure we all have huge hopes. But reality is a different thing.
If he does not learn to block, he will but cut just like Reshard Lee was. BP wants backs that, run, catch, BLOCK, and dont fumble. TT has speed….and you cannot coach that….it is a God Given talent……..I for one hope he gets a few touches every game, and maybe we see him at WR again. How about this for a SPEED threat……TO, Terry Glenn, TNEW also as a WR and Tyson in at RB……that is a lot of speed in the money positions. Of course…..BP is going to run a lot of two TE sets and pound the football……..but he has quietly put a lot of speed on this team.
by Jon B. on Mar 20, 2006 1:43 PM CST reply actions
Don’t know if it makes sense, but keeping LA with a longer term, lower cap impact contract could make sense for both parties. LA could get some rest in a guard rotation, be more effective year long and extend his career perhaps?
by rha on Mar 20, 2006 1:57 PM CST reply actions
yeah LA in mind will stay but i think there is going to be some serious negotiations on the terms of his high-priced contract
by thejoker_16 on Mar 20, 2006 2:07 PM CST reply actions
jon b, while i agree with you on thompsons ability to block, he has yet to be taught, he has to had to rely strcitly on his speed to do anyhting in his entire football career. Now as i said, if parcells can just teach him how to do his basic assignments, i would think thompson should be thrown above julius, again that is IF he leanrs how to block, cuz the kid has greatness written all over him in my eyes. hell i even had his jersey custom made cuz they didnt sell um, im a HUGE tyson thompson fan.
by casual1031 on Mar 20, 2006 2:09 PM CST reply actions
I agree w/ most of your thinking on the O-line rotation. However, continuity is as important as talent. Someone else at this blog had a good example with Denver’s line. Another example is our center position last year and what that created.
I do not have any insider info, but I can see us cutting LA similar to what we did w/ KJ, and then telling him to bring back his best offer. I would assume that by then the crazy money is gone and it could be worth it. We could have a decent line without him, but last years injuries were a nightmare. The insurance would be welcome. Not the LA would be insurance, he still commands more money than backup.
Agree w/ Tyson Thompson skills and speed. I don’t see him being cut however due to his special team play. Bill likes him and will give him the chance to learn. The rest is up to his ability to block and blitz pick up.
by Shane J on Mar 20, 2006 2:10 PM CST reply actions
8-ball, rha- I’m very much against the guard rotation. Chemistry and knowing the man next to you is critical in the O-line. Other than QB and WR there is no more inter-dependant unit on the field. Every lineman needs to coordinate with the other 4 or 5 if you count the TE. I blame much of our problems last year on the shuffling that took place prior to the season starting, then the injuries caused havoc further shuffleing the line. The center rotation was another source of wobble as far as I’m concerned. Set your starters, let them get their timing and confidence down before teh regular season starts.
by Sean on Mar 20, 2006 2:16 PM CST reply actions
I saw we trade down to the mid 20’s, pick up another 2nd rd pick, draft Chad Greenway the speed OLB out of Iowa, fill our FS need in the 2nd round and also get a OL in the 2nd round. Its just an idea….
by KJDH54 on Mar 20, 2006 2:17 PM CST reply actions
Sorry about that typo, it actually makes me look like I know something, I meant to type “Say” instead of “saw”…..my bad everyone
by KJDH54 on Mar 20, 2006 2:19 PM CST reply actions
KJDH54
I like that idea but I doubt somebody will give us a 2nd just to move down a couple spots, more likely a 3rd to move down to the mid 20’s from 18
by chris on Mar 20, 2006 2:22 PM CST reply actions
RParr/Chris
How is Gilles – coming out of college at 350+!!!- anything more than a weight problem waiting to happen?
Can he move laterally?
Casual,
if TThompson doesn’t learn how to block and keep his assignments he will be playing in the CFL by 2008.
There is a lot of speed in the L. More gets drafted every year.
by alanTdot on Mar 20, 2006 2:40 PM CST reply actions
This is good news if you are a Josh Brown/Julian Peterson/Arrington fan:
by Male25Dan on Mar 20, 2006 2:46 PM CST reply actions
im sorry but looking at our horrible o line last season, thompson being undrafted and only one season of D 1 experience, yet he averaged more per carry then MB3 and JJ with the ability to always make the first guy miss. when he was given the chance the guy shined with numorous 10+ runs, i love the kid, and the reason he wasent on the practice squad last year is cuz someone else could have picked him up, obviously parcells likes him enough to keep him on the game day roster. i can GARUNTEE if he is taught his basic blocking assignments you will see GREAT things outa this kid
by casual1031 on Mar 20, 2006 2:49 PM CST reply actions
I think if gilles is still there in the 2nd we take him because he’s a 1st rd talent if handles his weight problem
by chris on Mar 20, 2006 2:49 PM CST reply actions
male25dan, is this good simply cuz they dont have a lot of cap room to sign any of these players or keep brown if we gave him an offer?
by casual1031 on Mar 20, 2006 2:50 PM CST reply actions
How much cap room do we have left? I would still love to get AV but I know it’s a long shot.
I live in Houston and was at a bar when the TO press conference was live. Almost got into a few fights with all the people laughing at me for thinking this was a good move. I can’t wait to beat the crap out of the Texans next year!
by tyler2 on Mar 20, 2006 3:01 PM CST reply actions
Does anybody know the status of KJ? I really think JJ and BP need to resign him. Can you guys imagine? DB, TO, TG, KJ, PC, JW, and JJ! I get chills just thinking about it. Well if he isn’t coming back where do u think he will go? I haven’t heard anything on him in a couple days.
Another subject one of the main reasons we were hurting last year was because of the OL and now they are talking about releasing LA all because of money. What a bunch of crap.
by David on Mar 20, 2006 3:01 PM CST reply actions
Can’t resign KJ now because you can’t have 4 receivers that don’t play special teams.
by Miamicowboy22 on Mar 20, 2006 3:28 PM CST reply actions
Miamicowboy22, we only have 2 WRs that dont play special teams, TO and Glenn. Yes, Keyshawn would be a third.
Crayton returns punts. Copper is primarily a special teamer.
by Ridgelake on Mar 20, 2006 3:39 PM CST reply actions
tyler,
I think Viniatari is not coming to Dallas. Looks like Josh Brown and Paul Edinger are the top choices now. Edinger was the primier K a few years ago, then got injured and never returned to his pre-injured form. But he boots kick offs and was pretty accurate in Chicago. I’d give hi a shot if the Brown thing falls through.
by Eric R on Mar 20, 2006 3:42 PM CST reply actions
KJ isn’t coming back.
The lineup as it stand right now will be Lucifer, Glenn, Crayton, Copper and Crowder.
by Derrick on Mar 20, 2006 3:43 PM CST reply actions
It seems to me they could resign KJ and just keep PC on Special Teams as well .. along with Copper. Anybody heard anything out of the ranch on him, I don’t subscribe?
by David on Mar 20, 2006 3:44 PM CST reply actions
Chris,
Where do you get your intel from? Is this a feeling you have? Or is it something you have put together? Please tell me your reasoning on this.
by David on Mar 20, 2006 3:50 PM CST reply actions
Do not be surprised if KJ signs with the Eagles.
by tyler2 on Mar 20, 2006 3:50 PM CST reply actions
This is stacking up to be a great off season. We’re picking up talent to win now but are also creating a base for years to come. Kosier and Ayodele both experienced but young so they help now and in the future. TO and Fabini are players to win now.
I would like to keep LA not only for sentimental reasons but also because I think it helps solidify our line while younger talent develops. With him on board we will have a strong line with the ability to weather injuries unlike last year when the injury to Flo left us without an alternative plan.
Along these lines, I expect us to draft an OLB and maybe a FS who we need to make immediate contributions. We will draft OL as the future replacements for Flo, Rivera, Fabini and LA if he’s kept.
by Swidge on Mar 20, 2006 3:50 PM CST reply actions
David,
I will give you 1 reason, Because it woudn’t make any sense to bring him KJ back
by chris on Mar 20, 2006 3:59 PM CST reply actions
T.O can do everything KJ can do plus alot more and KJ would only interfear with the development of are only young promising wideout PC
by chris on Mar 20, 2006 4:04 PM CST reply actions
Casual,
Yes, that is why. Hopefully they stay away from guys we are somewhat targeting now, including their own kicker if we do indeed decide to sign him to an offer sheet. With that said, I still hope we get Adam but that doesn’t look nearly as possible as it did going into free agency.
by Male25Dan on Mar 20, 2006 4:07 PM CST reply actions
KJ isnt coming back. And if KJ did come back Crayton wouldnt get to play. The offense we run only uses 3 wide outs the number 4 doesnt get into the game on offense.
by aw on Mar 20, 2006 4:09 PM CST reply actions
KJ did a good job for us but it’s time to move on. Crayton deserves playing time. We might grab a wr with our first pick (Holmes or Moss), according to some mock-drafts, and will probably get one on the first day anyway. No room for KJ.
by mlf on Mar 20, 2006 4:15 PM CST reply actions
does anybody know if we will get compensation picks for glover,cambell,KJ,and probably LA
by chris on Mar 20, 2006 4:18 PM CST reply actions
LA must redo his contract of he’s gone with the wind also. No team ever got more from a third round pick from a dinky little college (Sonoma State) that the Cowboys did out of Allen.
by mlf on Mar 20, 2006 4:18 PM CST reply actions
I hear everybodies position on the subject… but it just sucks to lose KJ after BP and him and the team became one as I see it. Call me a sucker for team comraderie.
by David on Mar 20, 2006 4:19 PM CST reply actions
mlf
If you get one which I really don’t think we will but if we did I would like it to be Chad because I think he is just as fast as holmes and moss.
by aw on Mar 20, 2006 4:20 PM CST reply actions
does anyone remember season before last when TG got injured, there went our season, THATS WHY WE NEED TO RE-SIGN KJ!!! and i have a feeling we will do just that
by itrustintuna on Mar 20, 2006 4:22 PM CST reply actions
I like Ty Law. He was the primary reason I picked NE over the Rams in the SB in 2002. I figured that the NE DBs could run with the Ram receivers. I was right. Ty Law for FS with the Cowboys looks good to me. I hope JJ-BP agree, and can sign him.
by mlf on Mar 20, 2006 4:22 PM CST reply actions
hell, even though it didnt work out, thats why they signed peerless price last year
by itrustintuna on Mar 20, 2006 4:23 PM CST reply actions
aw, your guess is a good as mine. Forty more days and we’ll find out.
by mlf on Mar 20, 2006 4:24 PM CST reply actions
Too many changes on the O-line can hurt us for rotations. BP can tough it out the first half and have a set starting O-line by mid season and we’re good.
TyTompson is a stud and worked with Polite and Campbell on Blocking and assignments. Didn’t he also go to school at Sonoma st.? He is not as Prepared (notice I didnt say good) as JJ & MBIII, but he is a stud.
I’m glad Henson looked good at the game. I was worried after reading his stats! He’s got my support all out!!
Compensation picks come next year based on playing time compared with the prior year or something. We won’t know until after 06 season.
by gunnerklein on Mar 20, 2006 4:27 PM CST reply actions
Any rumors out there that the Cowboys might be signing anyone this week?
by mlf on Mar 20, 2006 4:27 PM CST reply actions
BTW I’m stationed in FT Riley, KS and this is one heck of a storm we’re getting. How about you guys?
by gunnerklein on Mar 20, 2006 4:28 PM CST reply actions
Does anyone really know if we are working out/going to sign Coleman from Houston today? I have read that we were but didn’t see it mentioned in any article and Rafael didn’t include it in his points today.
by Male25Dan on Mar 20, 2006 4:29 PM CST reply actions
My neighbors are from Frisco and their in-laws just came up to visit and told me that in Frisco news they have Peterson going to Dallas.
by gunnerklein on Mar 20, 2006 4:30 PM CST reply actions
Thompson went ot San Jose State. I think Doug Cosby is still the HC there.
by mlf on Mar 20, 2006 4:31 PM CST reply actions
Get this-
My other neighbor is Bullet Bob Hayes’ nephew!! He says his family is still in the loop. Of course he told me he heard BP wanted to meet with Ray Lewis. I said “yeah, maybe for a coaching job!” LOL.
But he seemed serious- I hope not.
by gunnerklein on Mar 20, 2006 4:32 PM CST reply actions
mlf-
that’s right! I remember from Camp now. My bad!
by gunnerklein on Mar 20, 2006 4:33 PM CST reply actions
gunnerklein, the sf sports writers are famous out here for being big BSers, if not all out liars. When there is no story they just make one up. It would not surprise me to read in the SF Chronicle that Joe Montana is making a comeback.
by mlf on Mar 20, 2006 4:35 PM CST reply actions
Mlf-
Gottit. He validate that Peterson was a beast pass rusher before the injury. I never noticed.
by gunnerklein on Mar 20, 2006 4:37 PM CST reply actions
Gunnerklein, please let Bullet Bob’s nephew know that there are Cowobys fans out here, and I’m one of them, that loved that man. Hayes is the reason I am a Cowboy fan. I started following the Cowboys in 1964 because they drafted Hayes after his stunning Olympic Gold Medal victories. I had airline tickets (SF/DFW) and game tickets for Bullet’s Ring of Honor night but missed out because of Sept. 11. Please pass along my regards. I’d appreciate it very much. Michael Freitas, Placerville CA
by mlf on Mar 20, 2006 4:43 PM CST reply actions
Will do Buddy- He’ll realy appreciate it. He’s very humble and says the family feels snubbed after the HOF Fiasco.
by gunnerklein on Mar 20, 2006 4:46 PM CST reply actions
I think that the reasons for getting J Peterson on our roster are the same ones people are using to downplay him. We’re getting ever stronger at LB, but i’m looking at the guys we have, and i’m seeing some big ol’ boys. It wouldn’t hurt to have a quik little guy running around back there huh? Am I just not getting the jist of the 3/4? Is there no room for small LB’s?
by bigE on Mar 20, 2006 4:47 PM CST reply actions
BigE, I’m with you as I too, do not understand why a LB ‘must’ be big (250+) to play the 3-4 but can be 220 to paly 4-3. Someone???
by mlf on Mar 20, 2006 4:54 PM CST reply actions
Because in a 4-3 you have 4 down lineman to help in collapsing the line to get the runner in the backfield or to sack the QB. With the 3-4, you only have 3 down lineman so the linebackers that will be rushing the QB and trying to get past the TEs and Tackles need to be a bit bigger and stronger as they won’t have as much help.
by Male25Dan on Mar 20, 2006 4:57 PM CST reply actions
But if you are talking about OLBs just dropping back into coverage to help cover TEs and RBs, I would actually think Peterson has an advantage in areas like that, as he is VERY fast for a LB.
by Male25Dan on Mar 20, 2006 4:58 PM CST reply actions
if you guys want a fast olb lets draft manny lawson from nc state
by chris on Mar 20, 2006 5:03 PM CST reply actions
Guys i know alot of us have been saying that we need to keep Larry Allen on our team and that he needs to restructure so that he can retire as a Cowboy. Well i did a little research. We currently have 15 offensive lineman on the team.
OT — Adams, Fabini, Tucker, Petitti, Colombo, Washburn
OG — Allen, Rivera, Peterman, Kosier, Tarullo, Procter,
C — Johnson, Gurode, Snell
Now Kosier can play G and the T position and Gurode, and Columbo can play G and C. To me the days for Tucker are gone. Washburn, Procter, Tarullo, Snell will probably not make the team but can be bodies during training camp and maybe practice squad again. So this gets me to LA. That leaves us with 10 OL including LA and excluding Tucker. If we are going to keep LA then we probably won’t address OL in the draft early because there isn’t much room for OL on our team. Now if we release LA then we can make a run for one in the draft. It really looks like LA won’t be here anymore because we have his replacement ready and someone to challenge his replacement. These 2 players are Kosier and Peterman. With LA gone Kosier becomes the favorite but he has to fend of Peterman and any draft pick that we get. It just makes more sense right now not to bring back the greatest OL in team history because we have some of the pieces already in place. I too hope we keep LA but after some research and common sense it looks like Goodbye for LA.
by lilbeast on Mar 20, 2006 5:06 PM CST reply actions
if LA does leave than i’m almost for sure Kosier will get the job, mainly because it doesn’t seem as if their hopes are too high on Peterman even if he was a high prospect in that 2004 draft
by thejoker_16 on Mar 20, 2006 5:09 PM CST reply actions
I agrre that you need bigger guys at lb for a 3/4. I just think that ONE of them being small and fast is a plus if you get a good player, which peterson is. Kicker is number one, but i think that adding two young, top notch lb’s would go SO FAR towards putting us back in the playoffs.Throw Brown/Adam v in there,use our r1 or r2 on a coverage fs, and we are a contender against ANYONE!
by bigE on Mar 20, 2006 5:11 PM CST reply actions
I’ve said it over and over again… w/out LA, we take a huge step back at O-Line (Similar or worse than losing Flozell last year). Now for his replacement if we assume he is gone, if Al Johnson plays Center, Gurode is more accomplished in the NFL than Kosier. Regardless of what he is paid, I can’t see him beating out Gurode at the guard position. It isn’t unprecedented to have a lower-paid player start in front of the higher-paid player.
by Grantp on Mar 20, 2006 5:12 PM CST reply actions
bigE you got a good point but i don’t think were gonna get 2 lbs, just 1 or if that, right now the boys still have hope for Burnett as well as others such as Kalen Thornton, and Scott Shanle
by thejoker_16 on Mar 20, 2006 5:13 PM CST reply actions
hmmm… that could happen, but you gotta remember Gurode has never really played left guard, only right, and even if thats not that hard of a transition, Gurode was flat out not that good at guard which got him in Parcells dog house, but you got a good point because he did play well against Carolina playing right guard
by thejoker_16 on Mar 20, 2006 5:15 PM CST reply actions
well, I kinda hoped for a fs in r 2, and getting 2 r1’s for next year. bUt the truth is, we can get another good lb in r1 of the draft. I just like the idea of stocking up on D this year, and having 2 r1’s to stock up on offense next year( ie… r1qb,r1ot, r2wr or something like that) wheels always turnin’ you know.
by bigE on Mar 20, 2006 5:19 PM CST reply actions
lets talk about Chris Canty, does anyone think with his amazing talent, and a years worth of conditioning(which he definetly needed since he didn’t get to workout when his knee was all screwed up, can he now take over Greg Ellis’ spot
by thejoker_16 on Mar 20, 2006 5:29 PM CST reply actions
1) I don’t see us paying top dollar for FS. We have high % of cap space in the secondary already. BP, if holding true to form will bring along a June cut victim, draftee, or unknown name out of the hat that he always seems to have on the back burner to compete with Davis.
2) I am a KJ fan, but he is gone. See reasons in posts above, and BP always keps some young ones mixed into every position.
3) I would love to see LA restructured, but… BP seems to have a good mix of FA’s, experience, and young ones in there now. Rivera may have had some time to recover since last year. Pettiti was a bust, yes. But BP saw something in him and he has some experience now. He can improve. I’m not saying improve for this year, lineman usually take a few years to develope. I just don’t know if he can be discounted from the arguement.
4) Don’t foget, last year we were pretty good for most of the year. Those last games with the O-line (mainly Flo) injuries are what killed us. We didn’t score enough points, and kicker were a problem. I guess what I am saying is that we were playoff capable with very minor changes. No we probably wouldn’t have gotten out of the 2nd round.
by Shane J on Mar 20, 2006 5:31 PM CST reply actions
Cowboys sign another linebacker free agent from the titans,
http://www.cowboysplus.com/topstorync/stories/032106cpcowbriefs.44e73bbc.html
by Derrick on Mar 20, 2006 5:34 PM CST reply actions
I think we will draft A rt in rd1 probably marcus mcneill then cut petitti in favor of fabaini and then put petitti on the practice squad
by chris on Mar 20, 2006 5:35 PM CST reply actions
on no. 3 Pettiti isn’t exactly a bust because he never really was considered to step and fill a spot, he was just your average player but was thrown to the wolves, but your right in how he can improve which is why i like the Fabini deal so pettiti still has time to develop
by thejoker_16 on Mar 20, 2006 5:37 PM CST reply actions
wow, that changes a lot, i really like Boiman, he’s a real physical player and he’s very athletic….hmmm think theres still a chance we might draft a linebacker. it sure opens up things now in the draft now that linebacker might not be a top pick
by thejoker_16 on Mar 20, 2006 5:39 PM CST reply actions
Boiman sounds light for SOLB. Is he likely to be strictly special teams?
by cowboy bert on Mar 20, 2006 5:40 PM CST reply actions
Here’s the breakdown on Boiman,for those that haven’t heard about him, he’s been under the radar,
Prospect Profile
Rocky Boiman
Position: Outside Linebacker
College: Notre Dame
Height: 6-4
Weight: 242
Hometown: Cincinnati, Ohio
Career Notes | Agility | High School | Personal | Stats
ANALYSIS
Positives: Tight-skinned with good muscle development and big hands … Closes with speed … Fills the rush lane quickly and uses his hands effectively to jolt and jab tight ends to create separation … Will collide and wrap properly, showing fluid hips dropping back in pass coverage … Has the sharp initial burst to get upfield … Flashes explosion inside, displaying the proper technique punching and extending with his arms … Stays on his feet, showing good agility to get through the trash … Fluid moving in space and has the chase speed to work well on the perimeter … Has a relentless motor coming off the edge on the blitz.
Negatives: Needs to see the play first before reacting (does not do this instinctively) … Does not have the upper body power to defeat combo blocks and spends too much time battling rather than trying to get through traffic … Has a feel for rush angles, but struggles to shed vs. the bigger blockers … Progress was hampered earlier in his career as he was used as an undersized defensive end … Struggles to stack, hold and control at the point of attack, needing to add more strength to his upper body … Does not use his hands to protect his body, allowing blockers to get into his chest too quickly … Does not show the lateral mobility to side-step low blocks … More of a trailer-type in pass coverage, lacking the foot speed to mirror the receiver’s moves … Not that quick to react to the plays, showing a limited feel for the ball working in the zone … While he is an effective wrapup tackler, he fails to break down plays consistently and is known to over-pursue at times.
CAREER NOTES
Blue-collar type who served as one of four team captains in 2001 … Moved into the starting lineup during his sophomore season … Intense defender whose pass-rush skills are his strong suit … Added a fiery, passionate attitude to the defensive unit as his enthusiasm and gameday demeanor helped set tone for major defensive improvement by the Irish in the last two years … Originally came in as free safety but made a quick transition to linebacker with immediate gains in weight and strength … Retains size, range and frame to help in coverage situations, even against wide receivers … Possesses great drive to go with an enthusiastic style … Finished his career with 144 tackles (75 solos), 8½ sacks for minus-56 yards and 20 stops for losses of 65 yards … Recovered five fumbles.
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by Derrick on Mar 20, 2006 5:40 PM CST reply actions
Chris,
I’m a big Lawson fan. I’ve watched him a lot being here in Raleigh and he’s awesome. Unfortunately, I’ve heard that he wants to play DE and no LB. I doubt we’ll take him over Wimbley and as much of a fan as I am of his, I’d still take Carpenter for his coverage skills.
by Blitzkreig on Mar 20, 2006 5:43 PM CST reply actions
6-4, 240? i don’t think thats light, thats bigger than Bradie James
by thejoker_16 on Mar 20, 2006 5:43 PM CST reply actions
well if indeed we did get boiman, than i’m almost confident that he will man that strong side and we won’t get a linebacker in the first round to be a backup
by thejoker_16 on Mar 20, 2006 5:44 PM CST reply actions
joker:
The blurb lists Boiman at 236.
DC.com lists James at 245.
If you don’t think ten pounds are that important in the 3-4, look what happened to Singleton, Dat, and Burnett last year. Size matters.
by cowboy bert on Mar 20, 2006 5:48 PM CST reply actions
on the prospect file it shows him at 242 plus james is 6’2, boiman is 6’5, if you don’t think height matters, than look at how well Dat Nguyen did
by thejoker_16 on Mar 20, 2006 5:49 PM CST reply actions
No way Boiman is a OLB, Adoyele is more of an OLB and we are putting him inside. It looks to me like Fowler or Shanle will be cut because Boiman is a better ST player. I still like Carpenter in the 1st unless Jimmy Williams is there (or huff or justice of course), although I really see a trade down and the pickup of Eric Winston, Jon Scott, or even Gabe Watson.
by lou c on Mar 20, 2006 5:50 PM CST reply actions
chris, i wouldn’t automatically put boiman in there at the starting spot, but he is definetly going to get a good shot at it, Burnett and Singleton are really in the mix as well
by thejoker_16 on Mar 20, 2006 5:50 PM CST reply actions
Derrick,
Thanks for the bio on Rocky. I hadn’t heard too much about him. Sounds like he’s got some potential.
by Blitzkreig on Mar 20, 2006 5:51 PM CST reply actions
TheJoker
You are correct in analyzing my ‘bust’ comment. I meant he (Pettiti) was a bust as a starting lineman, he wasn’t ready.
There are still some positions that could use shoring up. But can you imagine us going into the draft and being able to pick the best talent available vs having to fill a need.
by Shane J on Mar 20, 2006 5:51 PM CST reply actions
when its all said and done i think fowler and singleton are both out this year
by chris on Mar 20, 2006 5:54 PM CST reply actions
okay i get ya, yeah you were right Pettiti just wasn’t ready for that job, yeah if we do get boiman then that means we won’t get a linebacker in the first round, so the possibilty of taking a young tackle early is starting to rise
by thejoker_16 on Mar 20, 2006 5:54 PM CST reply actions
hmmm…maybe singleton will be out, but one thing that is overlooked is that when singleton went down our run defense really weakened, but his injury coupled with his cap hit might urge the boys to realease him
by thejoker_16 on Mar 20, 2006 5:56 PM CST reply actions
Has anyone heard TO’s new rap song. Check it out on his website: http://www.terrellowens.com/
by dt72 on Mar 20, 2006 6:04 PM CST reply actions
I just love the fact that we have signed four players aged 26-28 yrs old. Add in TO and Fabini, and they really look to be in a good position to draft the best players available in the draft.
Great job fillimg holes with reasonably priced players entering their prime. Even Fabini came at reasonable money. It really allows the team to take a chance on a guy like TO. Look at the Skins, on the other hand…overpaying guys left and right. I think Randle-El got more guaranteed money than TO.
by Playmaker on Mar 20, 2006 6:08 PM CST reply actions
Minnesota Vikings coach Brad Childress says he saw a little of T.O. in Daunte Culpepper. That was enough for him.
â€Å"It just became a deal where I didnâ€â"¢t feel like it was the team, I felt like it was â€â"¢me,â€Ââ€â"¢ Childress said Monday about Culpepper. â€Å"I went through a big â€â"¢meâ€â"¢ situation last year with a guy who was all about â€â"¢me. ……..
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11930834/from/RS.2
by linus on Mar 20, 2006 6:11 PM CST reply actions
Linus,
HMN, I wonder who Brad Childress was referring too with the “all about me”,
LUCIFER!!!!!!
by Derrick on Mar 20, 2006 6:17 PM CST reply actions
Espn reports the cowboys signed Rocky Boiman. He’s a LB with the Titans. Good Depth, can he be a starter??
by Carolina on Mar 20, 2006 6:19 PM CST reply actions
well Hutchinson is going to the Vikings. It might be harder to sign K Brown now.
by lilbeast on Mar 20, 2006 6:22 PM CST reply actions
sorry it’s not official that the Seahawks will loose Hutchinson they lost their hearing though
by lilbeast on Mar 20, 2006 6:26 PM CST reply actions
so what happens to Kalen Thorton, now that we have signed Rocky Boimen ?
by acowboy4life on Mar 20, 2006 6:28 PM CST reply actions
He better be pretty good for that kind of contract. I don’t think its all that bright
by Josh on Mar 20, 2006 6:28 PM CST reply actions
Ya know,Boiman originally came into the league as a free safety then switched to OLB……….
by sharkz on Mar 20, 2006 6:28 PM CST reply actions
Once again the proffessionals know what they are doing and now we aren’t complaining. We might not have dished out alot of money in the beginning of FA but look at us now. I have to say it was stressful not to see us be active in FA early but it was worth the wait. I mean we were so pissed that the Foreskins were signing everyone left and right but it seems like we are signing everyone left and right now it’s just that our signing make sense money wise, talent wise, and youth wise. Jerry,Stephen, and Parcells thank you for not letting us fans down. Man do I love our organization. HOW BOUT THEM COWBOYS!!
by lilbeast on Mar 20, 2006 6:29 PM CST reply actions
Boiman will be a stop gap until Burnett gets it together and Singleton prepares to depart(next year) He will not ever be considered a bust because he’s a SPT stud. Once Burnett is ready he’ll be in there for every down. Untill then look for Boiman on 3rd Down and in Blitz packages. Again, with Talent on all sides he doesn’t have to be an all star. But they will make him look better. I also think he’ll stay on the outside as per Big-E #71.
Joker-
I heard these rookies come to Dallas and grow a whole new body. Some of T-NEWs college teammates didn’t recognize him on film his 2nd season in Dallas. Joe Juraszek Realy has a great program that BP says makes a difference. Besides all that, I think Canty took the starting spot away last year about mid-season.? He, Burnett, Ware, SPEARS!, will all be superstuds physically. Or else! LOL
by gunnerklein on Mar 20, 2006 6:29 PM CST reply actions
Kalen Thorton is the backup to Ware on the left side
by Derrick on Mar 20, 2006 6:30 PM CST reply actions
Once again the proffessionals know what they are doing and now we arenâ€â"¢t complaining. We might not have dished out alot of money in the beginning of FA but look at us now. I have to say it was stressful not to see us be active in FA early but it was worth the wait. I mean we were so pissed that the Foreskins were signing everyone left and right but it seems like we are signing everyone left and right now itâ€â"¢s just that our signing make sense money wise, talent wise, and youth wise. Jerry,Stephen, and Parcells thank you for not letting us fans down. Man do I love our organization. HOW BOUT THEM COWBOYS!!
by lilbeast on Mar 20, 2006 6:32 PM CST reply actions
I see JJ and BP taking marcus mcneill in the 1st rd
by chris on Mar 20, 2006 6:32 PM CST reply actions
Thorton is also a Parcell project. One of his “diamonds in the rough” I don’t see it yet, but I’ll keep an eye on him.
by gunnerklein on Mar 20, 2006 6:33 PM CST reply actions
I’ve noticed that we all seem to be a lot more confident going into the draft than we used to be. I think that our management is much better at:
1) Managing the cap
2) Evaluating Free Agents
3) Drafting
Remember the late ’90’s? I know, I know, I’d rather not be reminded either! But my point is that the front office has really improved.
I wonder if it is:
1) Mr. Jones getting more experienced and wiser as a GM?
2) Mr. Jones relying on more input and having better personnel people around him?
3) Mr. Parcells influence?
Mr. Jones was definitely a poor GM in the ’90’s. Look at all those draft busts! But although the book hasn’t been written on him in this decade, maybe his experience level compared to other GM’s and his absolute job security :) have paid off in recent years.
I’d love to hear ya’lls thoughts.
by drjeff on Mar 20, 2006 6:34 PM CST reply actions
this is from a dc article. who did bledsoe talk to? bledsoe was with the bils one year, than the cowboys, so it couldn’t have been the eagles. who on the 49ers was traded to the bills?
“There are a couple of guys whose opinion I respect that played with the guy and really liked him as a teammate, enjoyed having him around and felt like he gave their team a great chance to win,” Bledsoe said.
by TOs Agent on Mar 20, 2006 6:35 PM CST reply actions
Raf,
Cowboys | Team signs Boiman
Mon, 20 Mar 2006 15:23:56 -0800
The Dallas Cowboys have signed free agent LB Rocky Boiman (Titans) to a three-year contract. Financial terms of the deal were undisclosed.
by Toast on Mar 20, 2006 6:35 PM CST reply actions
Don’t downplay His coach who can now tell him to stick it on a bad pick as opposed to the Yes men we’ve had in the past! BP is director of player personel or some such title. But, yeah, they are better. WE LOVE YA GUYS!!!
by gunnerklein on Mar 20, 2006 6:36 PM CST reply actions
Can someone give me a list of our LB"S and the positions they have on the 3-4. I would apreciate it, thanks in advance
by acowboy4life on Mar 20, 2006 6:39 PM CST reply actions
Tos agent-
He didn’t say they played on the same team just that they were people he knew and respected. The interview was also on ESPN today he said the same thing. It could go back all the way to college. HMMM.
by gunnerklein on Mar 20, 2006 6:39 PM CST reply actions
Here’s the depth chart. It’s pretty accurate. Replace shanle with ayodele and SOLB with Singleton/Boiman
http://www.dallascowboys.com/team_depthChart.cfm
You guys notice that Singleton is missing from the depth chart? He was there yesterday i think!
by gunnerklein on Mar 20, 2006 6:42 PM CST reply actions
Does anyone think that Parcells isn’t running this ship? So forget about the fact he is supposedly watching spring baseball
by linus on Mar 20, 2006 6:47 PM CST reply actions
I really believe everyone is going to be surprised by Pettiti this year. It ordinarily takes three years for a olineman to get his legs under himself. Pettiti got more than one year of what most tackles get in their first year. I am looking for him to give Fabini a run for his money. The kid was inept at time last year I will admit, but he had a lot of first for him. His first pro experience, his first time to play a 20 game schedule, his first glimpse of how fast the game is at this level, all of these things combined to lessen his ablilities and wear him down by the end of the season.
LA, if we lose him I think we are making a mistake, but I see where most of you who want it to happen are coming from. I just have a problem with letting a lifetime Cowboy go and play for someone else like Emmitt was forced to do.
by Sharpgator on Mar 20, 2006 6:50 PM CST reply actions
Full Name: Rocky Michael Boiman
Born: January 24, 1980
Cincinnati, OH
Height: 6-4
Weight: 236 lbs. Age: 26
Pos: LB
Experience: 4 years
College: Notre Dame
Drafted: Year:2002 Round:4 Pick:35, Titans
by linus on Mar 20, 2006 6:51 PM CST reply actions
Can you imagine if LA goes to KC? Arent they looking for an O-lineman? KJust for a one year run? I would Be in the largest Rage over that!
by gunnerklein on Mar 20, 2006 6:54 PM CST reply actions
Hey boys FEEL THE CHEMISTRY CHANGE… getting younger and stronger
by linus on Mar 20, 2006 6:55 PM CST reply actions
Boiman came into college as a safety, not the NFL. He has been an OLB since at least his sophmore year at Notre Dame.
I think Boiman looks like nothing more than a hedged bet at LOLB in case we go with Burnett. I don’t see this even remotely effecting Shanle but maybe Fowler. Boiman and Shanle can play inside or outside. Fowler is strictly inside. Boiman is no world-beater though. He’s just depth, but another big LBer.
Singleton is starting to look like the answer to a Which One of These Aint Like The Others game.
by Sam.Iam on Mar 20, 2006 6:55 PM CST reply actions
SamIAM-
That’s what I was trying to say in #121. Thanks for putting it into better words for me. Also as I said, Singleton is no longer on the depth chart. That is deffinitely a new change, because sun or sat I was noticing how some teams updated theirs already and some post a disclaimer to check back after camp, and DC.com is the same as probably game 6. n Hmmm.
by gunnerklein on Mar 20, 2006 7:01 PM CST reply actions
Does this mean, we will no longer look at Arrington or Peterson? I still think we have to adress Kicker(of course) and FS
by acowboy4life on Mar 20, 2006 7:03 PM CST reply actions
sharpgator,
petitti needs to be everyting you think he’s gonna be because its starting to look like were taking a rt in the 1st rd, that means
he will have to beat out fabini and someone else or he will be backup Flo or be cut
by chris on Mar 20, 2006 7:04 PM CST reply actions
im glad all the peterson hype is over, he wasnt a very good fit, IMO
by itrustintuna on Mar 20, 2006 7:04 PM CST reply actions
We never looked or had any interest in Arrington,
Perterson wants too much money and isn’t the same player since his archillies tear.
by Derrick on Mar 20, 2006 7:05 PM CST reply actions
I read where Bomains strength is his Pass Rushing motor. It says he is non-stop. This looks like a Parcells find. Not an All-pro but a SOLID “Lunch-pail” football player that will fit in the 3-4 system. This defense could really explode. With Canty, Spears, and Ware in their second year, Adoyele, Newman, R. Williams, James, SIngleton, Boiman, A. Glenn, Henry, Fergusen. When they gell together it will be a TOUGH defense!
by Carolina on Mar 20, 2006 7:06 PM CST reply actions
Chris,
If anything, we’ll take a left tackle over a right tackle, we have to start the development of a left tackle, Adams isn’t getting any younger and his contract is becoming unmanageable in the next two years alla, larry Allen and tucker isn’t a viable backup to Adams IMO.
by Derrick on Mar 20, 2006 7:08 PM CST reply actions
shocking that chris isnt an nfl general manager somewhere, with all his “insights”
by itrustintuna on Mar 20, 2006 7:08 PM CST reply actions
That would be pretty lowdown gunner. :)
Al: “Hey Coach, I was on NFL.com and didn’t see my name on the depth chart anymore.”
BP: You’re not! That’s so, uh…huh…weird. Well, I was in Florida watching me some Spring Training. Cardinals look good this year. Why don’t you ask Jerry about the depth chart thing. Bring your playbook."
by Sam.Iam on Mar 20, 2006 7:09 PM CST reply actions
One thing no one has thought of…
All this talk about getting rid of Larry Allen proves that no one has considered his greatest benefit to the team.
He can “Cortez” Owens if Terrell gets out of line. That in itself is worth the money.
by Rev. Michael on Mar 20, 2006 7:12 PM CST reply actions
Derrick,
good point, but flo is one ol who is not going anywhere, he’s are best ol we have and he will start untill he’s gone, can you say the same about petitti?
by chris on Mar 20, 2006 7:16 PM CST reply actions
Chris,
Flozell is almost 32 years old, his contract is back loaded and is not very cap friendly, with two to three years to develop O-linemen, the time is now to get his replacement in because in two years, I think Flozell will be cut, with contracts of Newmen, Witten, Williams, James, and the fact we’ve spent six years going cheap at the QB position, the time is coming when a fair chunk of cap money is going to be have to be put into that position, so if the left tackle can be brought in and develop into a starter Adams will be gone in a couple of years. Petitti with another year in the weight room to get stronger and work on his footwork, if he takes the next step, we’ll still have a great backup in Fabini, if Petitti isn’t ready this year, he’ll be the backup to fabini.
by Derrick on Mar 20, 2006 7:26 PM CST reply actions
Mickey spag already posted his article on the signings. He said we may still be looking for an OLB. He specifically mentions peterson.
Also, while I was reading it, I thought about SPT and wondered-what if he’s not a replacement for OLB but a replacement for SPT ala Keith Davis? That would free Davis up to play FS full time. HMMM He does have a full year as starting FS. That’s one helluvan edge over any rookie or backup we could pickup at this point.
by gunnerklein on Mar 20, 2006 7:27 PM CST reply actions
SAM-
LMFAO!!!
Derrick-
Right, and BP already said repeatedly all year (especialy in camp) that Pettite had some of the best feet he’s ever seen. I got that from DC.com camp notes.
by gunnerklein on Mar 20, 2006 7:30 PM CST reply actions
i think BP is a petiti fan, but maybe not a starter, tucker is the one who has to go IMO
by itrustintuna on Mar 20, 2006 7:34 PM CST reply actions
Derrick,
What top 5 T is cap friendly? Flo will be one of the best for 4 or 5 more years, petitti will never be more than average
by chris on Mar 20, 2006 7:37 PM CST reply actions
I agree with those who have mentioned here that Petitti may be an option at guard also, but he has to work on his footwork, he’s got the heavy feet, he has slow feet, but their are drills to work on his footwork.He has trouble with speed rushers getting out of his stance to the outside, when he gets his hands on you, he’s fine
by Derrick on Mar 20, 2006 7:40 PM CST reply actions
We are trading down. Safety can be had in second round. Who?
by linus on Mar 20, 2006 7:42 PM CST reply actions
they already started to give us crap about TO here in Miami. Same guys that said last week that Miami should make a big push to sign him are the same ones saying we’re crazy to sign him and he’s crazyfor signing with us because Bledose is old and can’t move.
I’ll take Bledsoe 10 times over Culpepper. Let’s see how slow and old he is with T.O., Glenn, and Witten catching balls from him and with at least some kind of a line.
by ManTab on Mar 20, 2006 7:44 PM CST reply actions
Chris,
Mark Tuinei and Nate Newton, One was a defensive player and one was considered just a fat guy, but they developed into a pretty damn good left side for the 90’s Cowboys, Lets not jump to the conclusion on Petitti being just average after one season,when we’ve asked him to start fron Day one in a new position against some of the top Defensive ends in the game.
by Derrick on Mar 20, 2006 7:46 PM CST reply actions
petiti just needs time to develop, i wont put him in the “eternal average” category just yet
by itrustintuna on Mar 20, 2006 7:47 PM CST reply actions
exactly, we have to be grooming flozells replacement, and we have to face the fact that he may not be the same after his injury
by itrustintuna on Mar 20, 2006 7:50 PM CST reply actions
I love harping on Kosier… Petitti performed better last year as a starting T than Kosier has throughout his career. Speed rushers got around him, but he never got bullrushed and he never had to be pulled because he was being beaten on every play.
by Grantp on Mar 20, 2006 7:52 PM CST reply actions
interesting , chris, you will throw LA away now, but seem to be astonished to have to do it to flozell in 2 years, when his contract is to big
by itrustintuna on Mar 20, 2006 7:54 PM CST reply actions
While T.O. is an upgrade at receiver, I am concerned that we still haven’t addressed what I considered our top 2 needs coming into FA: O-Line and pass rush. Fabini is a positive, but if we cut LA, we get a net loss on the O-Line rather than an upgrade. Since O-Line was our biggest weakness last year, that is a negative. Then, after a season w/ a poor pass rush, we cut a great pass-rushing lineman and sign 2 LB’s who have never gotten more than 3 sacks in a season – once again, a net loss for an already poor pass rush.
by Grantp on Mar 20, 2006 8:03 PM CST reply actions
itrustintuna,
If flo recovers 100pct from is injury he will still be a top 5 T in 2 years and you have alot for somebody like that, plus who says he can’t restructure for the team
by chris on Mar 20, 2006 8:08 PM CST reply actions
chris got real quiet, great point derrick on mark tueinu, and nate “the kitchen” newton
by itrustintuna on Mar 20, 2006 8:10 PM CST reply actions
Jerry’s playing head games with LA to show him how expendable he is. Problem is, if he is cut he will probably re-sign withing a week with another team.
by gunnerklein on Mar 20, 2006 8:10 PM CST reply actions
Chris, LA has a better chance of restructuring being a draftee than Flo- Just typicaly speaking.
by gunnerklein on Mar 20, 2006 8:12 PM CST reply actions
and LA is top 5 now too, probably top 3, and i hope he and flozell retire cowboys, but why ditch LA now, and not face that you may have to to flozell?
by itrustintuna on Mar 20, 2006 8:12 PM CST reply actions
About Nate and Tunei,
I love the point. But I think Gogan is a better comparison than Newton. As soon as Nate signed, “The Kitchen” was our best lineman. Gogan, who looked alot like Petitti by the way, looked like a clumsy slob his first year or two, but developed into a top-notch Guard who had a great career with us and the Raiders.
by Grantp on Mar 20, 2006 8:13 PM CST reply actions
gunner, i bet he would last 2 days, tops on the FA market
by itrustintuna on Mar 20, 2006 8:14 PM CST reply actions
All im saying is y draft a lt when we already have a very good one who really knows what petiitti will be, we know if healthy Flo will very good for years to come
by chris on Mar 20, 2006 8:16 PM CST reply actions
gesek wasnt bad either, that was a great time
by itrustintuna on Mar 20, 2006 8:16 PM CST reply actions
Chris,
IF, thats the key, you really dont know how Flo will come back from his first major injury, As far as Top 5 tackles in the league, I have to disagree with you, above average, yes, but not top five, he’s a second tier tackle to the top tackles in the league, really hasn’t lived up to his potential since coming out of Michigan state
by Derrick on Mar 20, 2006 8:17 PM CST reply actions
how is LA top 5 and he has hard time finishing games
by chris on Mar 20, 2006 8:18 PM CST reply actions
i like petiti, i think he has potential, and we cant keep on buying others back ups, or starters for that fact and expect to have a good, consistent line.
by itrustintuna on Mar 20, 2006 8:19 PM CST reply actions
If LA gets cut Chris gets a kudos from itrust and Derrick.
If LA re-signs within a week, chris gives Kudos to itrust and Derrick.
If LA doesn’t get Re-signed in a week Chris gets Kudos from above two.
If Flo has Pro-bowl season chris gets kudos from above with a you were always right statement.
If Flo fails to recover to the pro-bowl itrust and Derrick may laugh at Chris online with anoying little smiley faces for one whole posting.
See guys this contract negotiating is nothing! LOL
by gunnerklein on Mar 20, 2006 8:20 PM CST reply actions
guess you watched different games than i did chris
by itrustintuna on Mar 20, 2006 8:21 PM CST reply actions
TOP 5 Tackles
Jones,sea
Pace,stl
Glenn,ind
Odgen,bal
Adams,DALLAS COWBOYS
by chris on Mar 20, 2006 8:26 PM CST reply actions
A little Gogan history at http://www.phins.com/news99/News_9903020837.html:
by mlf on Mar 20, 2006 8:27 PM CST reply actions
Whoops, this should work, http://www.phins.com/news99/News_9903020837
by mlf on Mar 20, 2006 8:29 PM CST reply actions
gunner,
I’ve said for a long time that Larry Allen should and will get cut, and since I haven’t read anything about the cowboys even being in contact about restructuring with his agent, and the fact they signed Kosier, Allen will be cut .
by Derrick on Mar 20, 2006 8:29 PM CST reply actions
didnt he have some drug issues late in his career?
by itrustintuna on Mar 20, 2006 8:31 PM CST reply actions
Sorry, I must need some training in copy/paste links.
by mlf on Mar 20, 2006 8:36 PM CST reply actions
Going into last season, USA Today ranked Flozell #7 Tackle and LA #2 Guard in the league.
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/2005-07-13-sw-rankings-oline_x.htm#chart
by Grantp on Mar 20, 2006 8:39 PM CST reply actions
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/peter_king/03/20/mmqb/index.html
Very interesting article about TO at Dallas. Pretty much the same way I see all of this.
by ManTab on Mar 20, 2006 8:42 PM CST reply actions
One thing i will say is LA is the best ol we have ever had and one of the best to ever play in the nfl, I can’t say the same about Flo
by chris on Mar 20, 2006 8:46 PM CST reply actions
that seemed like a john kerry change of opinion in an hour answer chris
by itrustintuna on Mar 20, 2006 8:59 PM CST reply actions
itrust can u rephrase that I don’t understand what your trying to say
by chris on Mar 20, 2006 9:03 PM CST reply actions
does anyone think boiman will start or will they let that strong side play out with singleton, burnett and maybe even kalen thornton
by thejoker_16 on Mar 20, 2006 9:05 PM CST reply actions
We just signed Rocky Boiman on a 3 year deal to give depth to LB corp and he supposedly a great special teams player.
by red raider on Mar 20, 2006 9:05 PM CST reply actions
you kind of “flip flopped” on your opinions of LA and FA
by itrustintuna on Mar 20, 2006 9:07 PM CST reply actions
dallascowboys.com said he was going to be backup and spt player
by chris on Mar 20, 2006 9:07 PM CST reply actions
yeah boiman might just be played mainly on special teams, there’s also been talks of shanle moving to the outside where things are a little bit less physical than the inside
by thejoker_16 on Mar 20, 2006 9:08 PM CST reply actions
Know I still think FLo is a better ol than LA right now, just not a better career
by chris on Mar 20, 2006 9:09 PM CST reply actions
We need to get a kicker. Also, has anyon heard I know Marcus Coleman was in Dallas today any rumblings on signing him??
by red raider on Mar 20, 2006 9:10 PM CST reply actions
well, i disagree there too, chris, but anyhoo…..
by itrustintuna on Mar 20, 2006 9:12 PM CST reply actions
its really looking as if nothing is going to happen with free safety as far as free agency goes, their is still a possibility of getting one in the draft though. as far as kicker goes it still seems as if brown and adam vin. are still major prospects, but keep your eye on olindo mare who just might get released by the dolphins
by thejoker_16 on Mar 20, 2006 9:12 PM CST reply actions
yeah i still like shanle as well, he played really well at the end of the 04-05 season racking up i think over 20 tackles in 3 games which isn’t bad, i really like the idea of moving him to outside linebacker
by thejoker_16 on Mar 20, 2006 9:13 PM CST reply actions
If we can get a starting OLB, despite how much I love Bobby Carpenter and Manny Lawson I think we would go Jon Scott and Charles Spencer. Scott can play RT next year if Fabini is slowed down and take over LT when Flo is gone. Spencer can take over for Rivera or Kosier if he doesnt get the job done. I still like Manning or Smith in the 3rd.
by lou c on Mar 20, 2006 9:17 PM CST reply actions
I hop not Mare, and with the Hawks maybe losing Hutchinson if they do not match will have the money to get Peterson, match offers for Brown, and maybe pull off the Abraham deal. So Vin would have to be the focus we need to quit dicking around with kicker. I do not want Vanjack!
by red raider on Mar 20, 2006 9:18 PM CST reply actions
i really think that unless the boys get a starting linebacker such as peterson than they are pretty much over as far as trying to find one and that they will stick with the guys they got, which means no 1st round linebacker, and the same with OT, right now the only position i see the cowboys taking in the draft is FS unless someone really falls down
by thejoker_16 on Mar 20, 2006 9:20 PM CST reply actions
With the recent linebacker signings I am assuming either Shanle or Fowler wont be back next year. Anyone know who seems to be the more promising player and what are their differences.. other than Fowler is 2 years younger.
by boysfan on Mar 20, 2006 9:21 PM CST reply actions
Peterson is not the answer anyway. We need to draft either OLB Carpenter, FS Bullocks, Allen, of Simpson, and/or OT Scott. If we can sign Coleman we get Carpenter and Scott
by red raider on Mar 20, 2006 9:24 PM CST reply actions
both are big guys with good physique but neither are really studs. Fowler looked patient last year and made plays but wasn’t as physical as you would want a middle linebacker, Shanle is versatile, can play coverage well, and has a nose for the ball but never really showed to have that playmaking ability that we saw with guys like Bradie James, if i got to pick just one it would probably be shanle but just by a little bit
by thejoker_16 on Mar 20, 2006 9:25 PM CST reply actions
red raider,
i really liked the idea of going after Marcus Colemna, but it really doesn’t look like its gonna happen, it looks as if we will get one of those guys you named such as bullocks
by thejoker_16 on Mar 20, 2006 9:27 PM CST reply actions
joker,
I went college with him and ran into Friday in Houston and I know he was supposed to meet with Parcells and Jones today in Dallas. I do not know how it turned out though.
by red raider on Mar 20, 2006 9:31 PM CST reply actions
yeah i remember you talking about that, but if they went ahead and signed boiman and not him, it worries me that it doesn’t look like this is going to work out,
by thejoker_16 on Mar 20, 2006 9:32 PM CST reply actions
I know. I hope they do though because we can take the best avaiable in the draft. In our need for youth at FS, OLB, and O line. I really like the post Raf did yesterday on trading for the Bronco 2 1st rounders and swapping 2nds because we could get all 3 that way!!
by red raider on Mar 20, 2006 9:34 PM CST reply actions
Grew up around Dallas but went to college at Texas Tech. Go Red Raiders!
by red raider on Mar 20, 2006 9:36 PM CST reply actions
we should make this the tech page, 15 of 22 starters returning, can’t wait til the red and black game
by thejoker_16 on Mar 20, 2006 9:37 PM CST reply actions
we should make this the tech page, 15 of 22 starters returning, can’t wait til the red and black game
by thejoker_16 on Mar 20, 2006 9:38 PM CST reply actions
No kidding!! Only big losses were Saldi, Slay, and Henderson!! I would like to see us draft Slay in 3rd or 2nd he can cover and hit like a tuck.
by red raider on Mar 20, 2006 9:39 PM CST reply actions
To point out the obvious:
The rankings showed the boys with two top guards and one top tackle. No center, which was one of the bigger problems all year, and to my mind still is.
Each addition has been preceded by a cut. Campbell went, and Hannam came. Rogers went, and Fabini came. Key left, and Owens came.
This leads to two obvious discrepancies. Glover left, but nobody came, and Boiman came without anyone leaving. Ideas?
by cowboy bert on Mar 20, 2006 9:41 PM CST reply actions
yeah slay would be a nice fit next to roy williams, but it wouldn’t be too much of an upgrade over roy williams, boy i just can’t wait to see shannon woods though, and either chris todd or graham harrell gun slinging that pigskin
by thejoker_16 on Mar 20, 2006 9:41 PM CST reply actions
sorry too much of an upgrade over keith davis
by thejoker_16 on Mar 20, 2006 9:42 PM CST reply actions
Does anyone have an idea what year the K from the Colorado Buffs is in? The guy is a phenom kicker and will make a great pro. I am not saying Dallas should go with a rookie kicker, but the guy is nails and has an impressive leg.
by CWBoy on Mar 20, 2006 9:43 PM CST reply actions
It will be fun!! I think it comes down to us and the sooners this year in the south. I think Texas takes a step back with no quarterback. I cannot not wait! I went to the cotton bowl this year and was ticked off how did that knuckleball kick go over the post! Man!
by red raider on Mar 20, 2006 9:45 PM CST reply actions
Answered my own question with a little research. Mason Crosby, K for Co is a senior this year. Someone will draft him relatively high next year and have a great kicker for years. He’s a uninaumous 1st team all-american this year.
by CWBoy on Mar 20, 2006 9:48 PM CST reply actions
CWboy i thought the kicker out of colorado was a senior but i don’t remember seeing him on the draft board so he probably isn’t
okay back to tech, oh yeah man that wounded duck barely made it through, but we’ll get our revenge, did you hear about k-dawson moving to outside linebacker, thats gonna be like demarcus ware tearin it up
by thejoker_16 on Mar 20, 2006 9:48 PM CST reply actions
the kicker from the university of memphis will be good too, long polish like name, cant remember
by itrustintuna on Mar 20, 2006 9:52 PM CST reply actions
Anyone notice that Fabini is the No. 15 tackle on that USA Today 2005 list? Not too bad for a 3 yr, $6 million contract
by RParr on Mar 20, 2006 9:58 PM CST reply actions
“Jason Fabini of the Jets is a tough run blocker who helps make Curtis Martin continue to be one of the top runners.” Nice to know, but I’m more concerned with protecting Bledsoe. Either way, definitely an upgrade
by RParr on Mar 20, 2006 10:00 PM CST reply actions
i think, and this may be unpopular, but if JJ doesnt have a breakout, injury free season, add running back to the list of needs, thoughts?
by itrustintuna on Mar 20, 2006 10:04 PM CST reply actions
I think JJ will never have the breakout season that he predicts, due to the fact that I believe BP is committed to RB by Committee.
by Matt on Mar 20, 2006 10:08 PM CST reply actions
itrust well you know my thoughts on tyson thompson the man has had no teaching and yet plays the game wiht his speed alone and he averages mroe per carry and shows more flash than any other runningback on our team
by casual1031 on Mar 20, 2006 10:09 PM CST reply actions
I agree on Petitti. He could also make a good guard if someone else comes along at T. Still think we’re going to get a T for grooming down the road in the draft. 2nd or 3rd round.
I still think LA may stay around this year and he’ll restructure, but he only has 2 weeks to do so.
If he does, I wish BP would spell him some in those brutal Sept/Oct games when it’s 100-120 on the stadium turf. Let the guy play about 3 series a half, and save him for crunch time. Not sure BP can stand to give a guy any slack though.
I see nothing worng, if LA comes back giving Kozier, 3-6 series a game spelling LA, but not sure we would have paid Kozier the money we did to just be a backup.
He’s insurance for LA if he won;t restructure, plain and simple.
by CWBoy on Mar 20, 2006 10:11 PM CST reply actions
if JJ doesn’t have an injury free season, we’ll definitely get to see what Barber can do. lots of people think he could be better
by RParr on Mar 20, 2006 10:12 PM CST reply actions
Hey casual:
Just think with the Oline upgrades we will be able to screen. Thompson + Screen = A problem for the opposing D
by Matt on Mar 20, 2006 10:13 PM CST reply actions
Oh yes, I think RB could be a need if JJ doesn’t go for at least 1250, maybe more and 10-12 TD’s. BP still would like to have the bruising 230+ back that can carry 22-25 a game and have a guy like Barber be his new Dave Meggett, only a bigger version.
by CWBoy on Mar 20, 2006 10:14 PM CST reply actions
matt, my lord, you seem to have a great idea as to what your talking about, when i see tyson thompson i see a hell of alot more than speed i see a great football player with nothing but upside in which if taught he could become somthing great
by casual1031 on Mar 20, 2006 10:20 PM CST reply actions
im just really liking lindell white or deangelo williams, although i know it wont happen, just forget about it too many needs
by itrustintuna on Mar 20, 2006 10:20 PM CST reply actions
Hey Guys sorry I didn’t introduce myself. I was a cowboy fan ever since my mother put the star above my crib. Right now I am in school in Philly so I am hearing the panicked whining of eagles fans. Oh yeah have you guys checked out TO song on http://www.terrellowens.com If you get a chance check it out it is hilarious!
by Matt on Mar 20, 2006 10:23 PM CST reply actions
Thompson will be better than white. He’s more athletic, and has more potential, along with havinga better team to give him more time to learn. White will go relatively high to a sucky team and be thrown to the wolves-not good for someone who’s not an “every down back”. Good luck though Lendale.
by gunnerklein on Mar 20, 2006 10:26 PM CST reply actions
nice to meet ya matt, im gary, cowboy fan since conception too, west memphis, ar
by itrustintuna on Mar 20, 2006 10:27 PM CST reply actions
Hi Guys, I’m Rick an Army Infanrtyman stationed in KS.
I blow stuff up for a living!
by gunnerklein on Mar 20, 2006 10:33 PM CST reply actions
Im at law school in rutgers across the river but I sport my cowboys jersey with defiance in philly!
by Matt on Mar 20, 2006 10:36 PM CST reply actions
I keep playin the TO song-pretty cool for a country boy!
by gunnerklein on Mar 20, 2006 10:38 PM CST reply actions
Eh, TT is fast, but i remember him missing a key block last season which resulted in a sack, i think it was 3rd down that he just let through. I Like the way Julius runs though, and how he cuts, its pretty amazing, i just think he had too much on his shoulders coming into the season, sophmore slump? I think though The boys’ should draft Jermaine Jamison WR.that would be obviously a late rounder, buti think he would be the steal of the draft.
by ncormier88 on Mar 20, 2006 11:07 PM CST reply actions
I have not seen much wiggle from TT.
He tries to use only his speed and does not seem to have the ability to make anyone miss. Probably the main reason he has not broken any kickoffs.
by burmafrd on Mar 21, 2006 7:20 AM CST reply actions
i think if Law, or Woodson will realize that they are at the end of their careers, and just wants to be apart of a championship team. They could very well get a couple million to play. Then I would sign one of them. However, there are a few guys like that still out there. BP might be letting things pan out to let these guys know that teams dont need their services anymore, and we might get one for 2 years at a good price with incentives.
As far as the draft goes. I would get either Bobby Carpenter(6-2 7/8,254 lbs, and run a 4.52 40) with plenty of upside. Or I take Kamerion Wimbley, a DE/OLB from FSU. He is 6-3 3/8, 245, but only runs a 4.70 in the 40. Neither will be there in the 2nd. In the 2nd I would get either Ko Simpson (6-1,200 lbs, and run a 4.50) some say he is a risk, but i don’t know why. I would also consider Jason Allen (6-2,200 lbs, and runs a 4.55. that is my first two picks. and advice on free-agents still to get. Any comments.
by shorty1941 on Mar 21, 2006 10:20 AM CST reply actions

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