Arkcowboy wants McFadden
by sublimezg on Oct 27, 2007 2:05 PM CDT
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PrintI generally don't like talking draft this early, especially when our team is doing so well, but it's the bye week and I know lots of us are bored.
I know Arkcowboy and some others want McFadden in a major way and I agree that if he's within reach it wouldn't be a bad idea to grab him. However, I'd say receiver is the spot that concerns me more than RB. Our running game is good now and could obviously stand to get better, but all we really need is someone as good or better than Julius that can take a backseat to Barber. We also could use some secondary help but seemingly the 2008 class is weak in that area. There are a few DB's on our roster that with a little more time could help us out. From what I've heard Alan Ball, Quincy Butler, Evan Oglesby, Pat Watkins, and Courtney Brown are all apparently making strides and improving. I still think we need to draft a safety or a corner but not in the first round.
With T.Glenn getting older and just coming off of two separate knee surgeries as well as Owens getting up there in age, receiver is the place where we need to be looking at on offense. I like the potential that Stanback brings and am excited to see what he can do for us. Crayton is good but I really think he's best in his old role as the third receiver. Hurd and Austin have shown us some good things, but I think we're still yet to see anything that makes them stand out receivers that can eventually lead to a permanent starting role.
So with all that said, the guy I think we should aim for with our 1st of 2 1st round picks is:
Name: DeSean Jackson
College: California
Height: 6-0
Weight: 172
40-Time: 4.45 (though it's said he's much faster than that)
The guy brings amazing speed and has great hands as a receiver, not to mention he is an excellent return guy. Have a look at some of his highlights.
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Nice diary, sublimezg
I like the line of thinking. By acquiring Tank, who I expect will remain a Cowboy, we take care of a key weakness for the foreseeable future. With a weak DB draft, offensive looks the way to go for the 'Boys. I like going after a WR with our first pick, and then seeing which of these top 5-6 RBs is still on the board for our second #1. I would not even mind seeing us take another offensive lineman, if there is one worthy of a late 1st round pick. A good O-line makes everyone else look a lot better.
yeah but
Julius is most likely gone after this season and Barber is a restricted free agent.
I'm not saying we should get mcfadden, but our running is far from for-sure next season.
protfootballtalk
pft had an interesting conversation saying one reason barber has not beentendered a contract yet is b/c if jj lets another team sign him (netting a first rounder) it would give him 3 number ones...
well if we lose MB3
we'll have a first and a third and we can get an RB in the draft if that is the case.
by Burt D @ Blogging The Boys on Oct 27, 2007 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Why not both?
We could get Jackson with our 1st pick in round one and still pick up Steve Slaton in the late 1st. He could be a Marshawn Lynch type of player.
Slaton and Lynch are different types of runners
Lynch is more MB3 like. Slaton is more LT like.
by Burt D @ Blogging The Boys on Oct 27, 2007 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions
I watched J Stewart today
but he had to have gapping holes to get anywhere - but he is shifty - not a bad pick
but give me Matt Forte before Stewie had only 278 yds today
Forte broke the school record for rushing yards in a season, surpassing the 1,421 that current Minnesota Vikings running back Mewelde Moore gained in 2001, finishing the day with 1,539 for the season.
Only three running backs in NCAA history have had five consecutive 200-yard rushing games Marcus Allen of USC (1981), Barry Sanders of Oklahoma State (1988) and Jamario Thomas of North Texas (2004).
but give me shot at Mac fist
by Arkcowboys on Oct 27, 2007 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions
and Forte is not expected to picked
until the fourth - we will see how he does at the combine - but might be worth looking at
by Arkcowboys on Oct 27, 2007 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Forte is playing crap opponents...
Every single week. He's worth a second day look, but he's definately not someone I draft with the intentions of replacing JJ with. Not as a second RB, anyways...
Jonathon Stewart is a physical speciman. 5'11" 230 lbs, 4.4 speed. Nice combination of speed/power/elusiveness...I don't know what you're talking about he needs big lanes to run through...The dude is averaging over 7 yards a carry...
Also watched the Oregon vs USC game
I was impressed with Stewart too. The kid looks like he could be a beast in the NFL. He carried over 30 times and seemed to get stronger as the game went on. They even had him returning kicks because he is sure-handed.
USC has a stout defense, he was taking a physical pounding and made a key play to save the game in the 4thQ. Oregon had a 3rd and 15, I believe, and they ran a delayed draw with Stewart. He burst thru the hole and then muscled his way to the first down taking several USC defenders with him. That was impressive.
I still like DMac, but I don't think we'll get a shot to pick him. Stewart is rapidly becoming my second favorite RB.
by APerfectStar on Oct 27, 2007 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Living in Oregon
I have watched Stewart for three years. Until Johnson was hurt he was in a 2-back system so his total yards have never been tops. In addition he has had some injuries but nothing major. I watched Steven Jackson at Oregon State as well. Jackson got a lot more press than Stewart but I believe Stewart is a better back than Jackson in college. I like Stewart's toughness and size/speed combination as well. He is a similar back (although better) to MB3 and we might be looking for more of a pure speed type. It will be interesting to see what Stewart clocks at the combine. If he runs under 4.5 he will likely go in the first 10-15 picks.
Notice I am not comparing Stewart to McFadden. I will leave that to the experts. But I do not think we would be disappointed if we draft Stewart.
I would JU JU no Vision and
falls down when touched
have you ever seen the kid play ?
and did I say draft him no I said he some one to look at
I think Stewie is nothing special kinda like D Jackson overrated - sure any body can get 7 yards per carry when I could gain 7 yds with the hole big enuf to drive a truck thru
and LT went againest some tough defenses
Air Force
BYU
Colorado St .
New Mexico
San Diego St.
TCU
UNLV
Utah
Wyoming
tough road to ho ho ho ho
by Arkcowboys on Oct 27, 2007 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions
You're posts are hard to read...
Because you don't use complete sentences and you jumble thoughts together...
First off, LOL @ the LaDainian Tomlinson comparison...LT had out of this world talent coming out of TCU. He had great size, speed, vision, hands, a running style that translated well into the L. Basically EVERYTHING as a RB coming out of college. He was an elite prospect, not some middle round talent that played in a gimick
OK, so Julius Jones has no vision, but that makes Matt Forte a viable option as a replacement? Julius won't be back next year, but I don't think we wait til the 4th round to take a bottom-feeder conference RB with extremely marginal speed and an up-right running style and hope he replaces Jones' production.
RB will be taken on Day 1 of the draft, as I've said before. Whether it's trading a couple of picks to get McFadden, or taking Stewart in the back end of Round 1, or looking to the group of Felix Jones, Ray Rice, Ryan Torrain, Slaton, Hart, whoever, I think it'll definately be addressed on Day 1.
so now you switch
saying that "not some middle round talent that played in a gimick" oh by the way that's gimmick
the Forte plays in some kind of gimmick offense ? ia that what your tryinhg to say
"I don't think we wait til the 4th round to take a bottom-feeder conference RB "
hmmmmmm seems to me that Barber was a bottom feeder then - being picked in the four round
I never said take him I said he somebody to look at
Felix - won't come out
Torrain - gets hurt to easily
Slaton - said he wanted to wait another year
Hart - does not have a big enuf heart IMO
It D mac all the way dude
by Arkcowboys on Oct 28, 2007 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions
you can't be serious
Hart - does not have a big enuf heart IMO
And where did you hear Slaton won't come out?
Slaton will come out IMO because next year Noel Devine will get a larger share of the load and he knows that.
by Burt D @ Blogging The Boys on Oct 28, 2007 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions
I read it last year
that Slaton wanted to go a National Champship
if I can find it I will post it - I still have football to watch
by Arkcowboys on Oct 28, 2007 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Slaton at the beginning of the year
Steve Slaton has researched insurance policies that would secure him financially in case he suffers a career-ending injury at WVU in the next two years.
WVU's Slaton wants to stick around for championship
by Arkcowboys on Oct 28, 2007 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions
What?
Obviously you're just not following...
What am I switching on? And LOL at you correcting anyone's grammatical errors...Find your period button, a comma, SOMETHING.
Barber played in and produced at a high level in the Big10...You know, not Conference USA. A conference that boasts some of the nation's best teams and toughest defenses on a yearly basis...Barber was a guy we took a chance on in Round 4, sure, but he was not only more tested and proven than Matt Forte, but he has more speed, and a running style in college that translated well into the NFL (he doesn't run standing straight up and down)...I didn't say Forte was a bottom-feeder talent, I said he was a marginal talent that played in a bottom-feeder conference with below-average speed and an extremely upright running style. Sitting duck coming up the middle. He didn't exactly dominate games against QUALITY football teams this year. 16 for 73 against LSU (one carry for 21 yards, 15 others for 52), and 14 for 49 against Mississippi State (one carry for 37, and 13 others for 12 yards)...Go back and compare that to Barber's career against BCS Conference teams in college...Not even close.
If you're looking for a small school RB, go look at Kevin Smith out of UCF. Dominated Texas. Dominated NC State...Doing work against teams with actual talent.
As for your assumptions on who will/won't come out...
Felix Jones - He may or may not, but what else does he have to prove on the college level? If he tests as well as people think, he'll easily be a first round pick and could just as well end up in the Top 15 picks and be the second or third RB off the board. He needs to put on some weight, but he's got an NFL build. The fact that his legs haven't been run into the ground this year like some of the other top RBs will also bode well for him in scouts eyes...
Ryan Torain - Hurt too easily? He's missed two games in his ASU career...Both of which came this season. Prior to that, zero injury concerns. Misinformed...225 carries last year in 13 games, so it's not like there's questions about whether he'll stay healthy enough to help shoulder an NFL load...
Slaton - Why the hell wouldn't he leave? His stock has nowhere to go but down, especially as Noel Devine flashes brilliance and Slaton continues to crumble and fold in big time games and situations...I think he sucks, but if he stays, he's only hurting himself.
Hart - Not enough heart? Someone hasn't watched a single Michigan football game this season. Kid has put that team on his back all season long. He's the only reason that team kept its head above water this year.
like Barber played at RB U lol
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useless
WVU's Slaton wants to stick around for championship
http://www.steveslaton.org/steve-sla...
Felix Jones has to prove he can handle the full load in college not depending on D mac to break a D
Torain - For a running back, whose front foot is vital to shifting and acceleration, a Lisfranc injury can be extremely difficult to come back from. And that is the uncertainty that Torain — a first- or second-round draft choice when healthy — now faces in his football future
Running back Ryan Torain is out for the season with a Lisfranc sprain of his left foot, dealing a heavy blow to his NFL draft stock
by Arkcowboys on Oct 28, 2007 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Who said Barber...
played at RB U? I said he played at an extremely high level in a MAJOR CONFERENCE, and dominated games against HIGH MAJOR football teams, not Conference USA scrubs. Forte's performances against high major teams this year aren't impressive.
Felix Jones hasn't carried the load in college, but he has produced at an elite level in a college full of elite football teams and defenses. It's obvious he's got top flight NFL talent. He's got the size and frame you look for in an NFL back. He's one of the five best RBs in college football this year already, I don't see anything to gain by coming back to Arkansas for another year. The QB situation isn't getting any better, they're losing Monk, McFadden, Hillis, two starting offensive linemen...The fact that Houston Nutt's job may be in jeopardy could come into play. Just not alot of reason, in my opinion anyways...
I don't see Slaton sticking around again, but if he does, I'd probably bet you any amount of money his stock falls from where it's at right now. This time next year, we're not talking about a first round RB when we're talking about Steve Slaton. I don't think he's one of the 5 best in football right now, don't see how that's any different next year.
and LT did not play againest scrub teams
Air Force
BYU
Colorado ST.
New Mexico
San Diego St.
TCU
UNLV
Utah
Wyoming
yea some real powerhouse D's there
by Arkcowboys on Oct 28, 2007 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions
TCU didn't play in the Mountain West...
But regardless, LT was one of the very few players from crappy conferences that has elite talent across the board...Elite speed, size, hands, vision, EVERYTHING. LT is one of the best RB prospects in the last 20 years...Matt Forte doesn't have elite anything. He's got below-average speed, he's too tall and runs too upright...He's not elite anything. And he's playing in a garbage football conference. It's a bad comparison, and you know it. You're reaching.
And Forte...
hasn't produced against big time opponents when he's gotten the chance. In fact, he's been extremely marginal...
kinda hard to run with 9 guys in the box
With Forte making plays at the line of scrimmage and beyond as both a physical and elusive runner, the Green Wave is forcing opponents to stack eight and nine defenders in the box and take their chances in man coverage on the outside
by Arkcowboys on Oct 28, 2007 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions
no one comes out of those lowly conferences
Southern Mississippi - Brett Farve -
by Arkcowboys on Oct 28, 2007 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions
ReadingIsFundamental.com
Visit that website, because you've obviously got reading comprehension problems...
What I said was that LaDainian Tomlinson was one of the rare ELITE prospects to come out of a crappy conference...And that your crappy comparison between him and Matt Forte was indeed completely off-base and founded on nothing more than your extremely poor logic.
Mind you, Favre was not an elite prospect coming out of Southern Mississippi, so I'm unsure what argument you're trying to make my bringing him up...
You can't even read well, and you claimed to be old enough to have watched the great Dallas Cowboys teams? Hmmm...
oh thats right it was the WAC
even worse conference
Hawaii, UNLV, BYU, Tulsa
Fresno State, Air Force, Utah, TCU
San Diego State, Colorado State, New Mexico, SMU
San Jose State, Wyoming, UTEP, Rice
some even tougher D's
by Arkcowboys on Oct 28, 2007 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions
I already know what's coming...
'Lavelle Hawkins is a better receiver than Desean Jackson'
LOL...
That said, I don't want a receiver with that high first rounder...I'm not sure I even want a receiver in the first at all...There's quite a few guys with big potential that could fall into the second round.
Yep he is
'Lavelle Hawkins is a better receiver than Desean Jackson'
Jackson is way overrated.
Here as some interesting WR prospects:
Adarius Bowman (probably the best in the draft this year)
Harry Douglas
Keenan Burton
D.J. Hall
Donnie Edwards
CB's Aqib Talib and Mike Jenkins would also be great.
by Burt D @ Blogging The Boys on Oct 27, 2007 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions
I want a RECEIVER that just makes big plays
this kid make plays unlike hoping a QB can become a all pro
WR Steve Johnson 6-3 #200 Kentucky
Woodson threw a 57-yard touchdown pass to Steve Johnson with 28 seconds left - Louisvile
Woodson found Steve Johnson open in the end zone for a 7-yard score in the third extra period. -LSU
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player...
article on Barber trade http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumor...
by Arkcowboys on Oct 27, 2007 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Do realize that barber article is speculation
right?
by Burt D @ Blogging The Boys on Oct 27, 2007 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions
uh yes BURTIE
I don't want to lose Barber - now if we could give up Carp and some other guys ok - but I want Barber for as many years as we can keep him - and you source is who ? again ?
LOL
by Arkcowboys on Oct 27, 2007 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions
a 4-3 team in need of an OLB
I think his main problem is his strength that an ILB in a 3-4 needs to take on guards.
by Burt D @ Blogging The Boys on Oct 27, 2007 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Source for what?
I am not the one posting speculation from some douche and acting like it has any significance at all. I could have wrote what that profootballtalk guy wrote.
by Burt D @ Blogging The Boys on Oct 27, 2007 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Jackson is too skinny
175?? you got to be kidding me. This kid will never survive the NFL, Marvin Harrison types only come around once a generation.
He could be our answer in the return game, but not as a guy who can become our future go to WR.
Too skinny?
Steve Smith is one of the league's best at 185, and you can bet he weighed less than that coming out.
I don't want to draft Jackson early in the first round either, but you're absolutely kidding yourself if you think Lavelle Hawkins is a better pro prospect or a better receiver at all.
Steve Smith is also really short
he's only 5-9 with a really solid frame, big difference.
Yep
He'll be lucky to make it as anything more than a return specialist. Fast as hell, but too small to be a WR in the pro's.
by APerfectStar on Oct 27, 2007 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think so
He's 6ft. and 175 right now. Adding 10-15 lbs. isn't hard to do, especially if you have the right training which he would. 6'0. 190 isn't bad at all.
Steve Smith 5'9 185
Devin Hester 5'11 186
Donald Driver 6'0 190
Marvin Harrison 6'0 185
Ted Ginn 5'11 178 (rookie)
Anyway I can go on and on finding receivers with similar or smaller size.
I know we're used to our very large receivers but that doesn't mean a smaller guy can't do well in the NFL. Besides, this guy is probably around average receiver height, he just needs to eat more steak for a few months.
Go watch him play. He's playing ASU right now!
I agree
If he was 6 ft 190, and still maintained his quickness, he has the tools to make it. But he just looks too thin. Maybe a lot of steaks and milkshakes...
by APerfectStar on Oct 28, 2007 5:09 AM CDT up reply actions
If we wanted to draft a Desean Jackson
type we should draft Harry Douglas or Donnie Avery. They are faster and have been more productive.
by Burt D @ Blogging The Boys on Oct 28, 2007 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions
I'd wait a couple of rounds...
And take Dorien Bryant outta Purdue...
I like the hell outta Jackson, but I don't ever want the Cowboys drafting a receiver in the Top 10 unless it's a Calvin Johnson 'can't miss/once-in-a-lifetime' type...
heres a link to that Profootball on Barber
by Arkcowboys on Oct 27, 2007 7:00 PM CDT reply actions
Its not even a rumor
its just some person speculating and drawing conclusions from very little facts.
by Burt D @ Blogging The Boys on Oct 27, 2007 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions
It is sort of annoying me how you want someone
who as done so much for our team to leave.
by Burt D @ Blogging The Boys on Oct 27, 2007 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions
I never said
anything about MBIII leaving - I want him here
by Arkcowboys on Oct 27, 2007 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions
then why do u keep posting
that stupid article
by Burt D @ Blogging The Boys on Oct 27, 2007 11:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Anything from PFT is crap.
Period. Dudes have zero credibility. At all.
He never said he did
but PFT has as much credibility as any of us
by Burt D @ Blogging The Boys on Oct 27, 2007 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions
LOL I also don't have a website...
When was the last time PFT broke any real news? Have you read that site very long? It's absolute garbage.
No, I couldn't do any better as a Pro Football website, because I don't have sources in front offices around the league either. PFT is built on pure speculation and rumors. Very few facts are distributed on that site. I read it for about two weeks, and got tired of the random, out of thin-air rumors they threw around, and never went back. The snippets they post in the rumors section are poorly written, the site is extremely unorganized. Doesn't exactly scream credibility.
Have you been on ONE Cowboys board or site that said the Boys were holding out on Barber because he could net them another 1st rounder if someone else signed him? Have you found a single link from anyone else outside of PFT? It's NOTHING but speculation, because I very seriously doubt they have sources inside the Cowboys front office that nobody else has got. It's kind of like if you started a website with your speculation on the Cowboys absolutely will do whatever it takes to get Darren McFadden. All you've got is one link with a writer speculating that it's what the Cowboys had in mind last April, and one quote from Jerry Jones with the 'Darren McFadden? Who's that? wink'...You take those two snippets and think it's credible enough and rock solid evidence to build a website around. It's fine for voicing your opinion on a message board, but kind of a ridiculous foundation to build a website on.
Apparently a million people were duped
on free-agent signing day because they spent the day watching the league through Profootballtalk.com. I do not agree with all that they throw out and I do not look for analysis except pretty good legal analysis (Mike Florio is a lawyer - maybe that is why you don;t like him!) When I compare this site to ESPN.com or Sportsline.com or MSNBC.com or SI.com it is head and shoulders ahead on breaking news. Adam Schafter might own his career to Florio as NFL network and NFL.com have struggled to gain contacts to scoop Profootballtalk.com.
There does seem to be an anti-Cowboys bias on the site and that alone can turn off any Cowboys fan. I just ignore that snide cheap shots they take at the COwboys or any of the teams (no one is immune there). The criticism you have is based upon two weeks and my response is based on over two years. I honor your opinion and basically have the same angst against ESPN which is even much more anti-Cowboys.
I do agree with you also that there is seldom enough support when they break news around the NFL. However their snippets do tell us what to be aware might be coming. For example they continue to predict Andy Reid stepping down (or being fired) from the eaglets at least before next year. Will it happen for sure - only Andy and the eaglets front office know for sure - but it adds interest for me in our contests with the eaglets this year.
It was Profootballtalk that beat the rest of the media by a whole month on the Michael Vick story. Many put them down during that month because the "real media" had not reported it. We know the rest of the story and Profootballtalk was persistent enough and widely read enough to get the NFL security involved and probably to get the Feds to take over the case from a sympathetic local prosecutor.
I know PFT can put some credible stuff sometimes
but the problem I am having is the article Ark posted was not news of any sort, nor did it give the reader any new information what so ever.
Ark tried to pass off what was idle speculation as something significant.
by Burt D @ Blogging The Boys on Oct 28, 2007 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions
I was not even the first poster to
put that info out there so get your facts staight - I never said it was something significant - please find my words where I did saying that it was - I was just puttin a link Grizz asked for it - I stumbled on so I put it down
by Arkcowboys on Oct 28, 2007 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Give me a break you posted that link at least
a million times. If you didn't think it was significant why would you post it in the first place let alone posting it repeatedly. We all know what you were trying to say.
by Burt D @ Blogging The Boys on Oct 28, 2007 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions
oh read and weep
o For you Ark we are not the only ones thinkin DMAC (none / 0)
NOTHING IMMINENT FOR MARION
As the media focuses on the question of when and if the Dallas Cowboys will extend the contract of quarterback Tony Romo, another guy to watch in this regarding is running back Marion Barber.
Barber's rookie contract will expire after the season, and we're hearing that there is no effort toward any type of an extension.
Barber will be eligible for restricted free agency. But while G.M. Jerry Jones can protect Romo from being pilfered in exchange for two first-round draft picks by using the exclusive version of the franchise tag, no such device is available to keep Barber on the team.
The most the Cowboys can do is apply the highest possible tender offer, which will fix the compensation at a first-round pick and a third-round pick.
For a team that picks in the bottom half of the 32 teams, it might be very tempting to give up the picks and put on paper a poison pill offer sheet that guarantees every penny of a $50 million contract if he plays at least four games with a silver helmet bearing a blue star on his head.
The Packers, for example, would be an ideal destination. And the higher Green Bay climbs in the postseason, the more attractive it will be for the team to give up a couple of their picks.
As to the Cowboys, their other top-level running back (Julius Jones) will be an unrestricted free agent after the season. But it could be that Jones wants to see where that first-round pick he pilfered from the Browns for Brady Quinn lands on the board, since Jones might opt to let Jones walk and to take the extra picks for Barber if Jones thinks he can land Darren McFadden.
by Cowboys81 on Fri Oct 26, 2007 at 02:39:16 AM EDT
Nice (none / 0)
and will let it go at that - told people there was so much more Jerry could do to try an get Dmac
by Arkcowboys on Fri Oct 26, 2007 at 03:28:20 AM EDT
Sorry Cowboys81, (none / 0)
I wasn't trying to cut off all discussion of McFadden. I just know that some people are tired of every thread ending up about him, and yes, I guess I'm in that group, too. But I still would like to know the source of the article you posted. I want to evaluate how much trust we should put in it.
If you're reading this, you could be commenting, too. Sign up for a free account on Blogging The Boys.
by Dave Halprin (Grizz) on Fri Oct 26, 2007 at 04:02:04 PM EDT
from Cowboys random articles
the first I say of it
by Arkcowboys on Oct 28, 2007 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't get your point of posting that?
my problem is you posted that link a billion times. Why did you do that?
by Burt D @ Blogging The Boys on Oct 28, 2007 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions
You can't be serious
You posted the link above twice. So that makes it 3 times at least counting the one in which you replied to Grizz, which was perfectly fine. But posting it over and over... geez
by Burt D @ Blogging The Boys on Oct 28, 2007 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions
But posting it over and over... geez your
redundant
by Arkcowboys on Oct 28, 2007 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions
You still haven't explained why you did it?
if your intentions are as you say they were then it should have stopped at your reply to Grizz.
by Burt D @ Blogging The Boys on Oct 28, 2007 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions
I mean I understand you posting the link
in that thread you got the quote from by why do you need to keep posting it unless you somehow believe it holds some credence or significance and that you want MB3 gone.
by Burt D @ Blogging The Boys on Oct 28, 2007 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions
I take nothing from it did you read
what I posted to it
Nice (none / 0)
and will let it go at that - told people there was so much more Jerry could do to try an get Dmac
by Arkcowboys on Fri Oct 26, 2007 at 03:28:20 AM EDT
by Arkcowboys on Oct 28, 2007 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions
My point is you keep on posting that link
Why? You obviously want MB3 gone so we can get Darren McOverrated.
by Burt D @ Blogging The Boys on Oct 28, 2007 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions
you don't read to well do you
I have stated here that MBIII here for as long as we can keep him here -
Could you see the backfield MBIII and Dmac
why is Davis playing RG and drafted 2 OT last year because Ark likes to run to the right side why did D Lee go up to Arkansas to coach you think he not on the phone to Jerry every day
but if he has to go for us to get Mac
I would take Mac
by Arkcowboys on Oct 28, 2007 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions
D-Mac hasn't proved anything in the NFL
and you are going to get rid of an elite running back who has a 5.7 ypc average and dominated in the NFL already? Thats stupid. I'm sorry for all we know D-mac could be Cedric Benson.
by Burt D @ Blogging The Boys on Oct 28, 2007 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions
neither Has Stewart-Slaton - Rice - Hart
or any player to be drafted
they all could be busts
but my money says that D mac won't be
by Arkcowboys on Oct 28, 2007 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions
We don't need any of them
we have MB3! Why take the risk when we know we have a stud.
by Burt D @ Blogging The Boys on Oct 28, 2007 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions
are you scared of taking chances
oh poor Burdie
by Arkcowboys on Oct 28, 2007 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions
I wouldn't trade MB3 for a first and third
for the same reason the Chargers wouldn't trade LT for a first and third. There is no reason to take a chance.
And I don't know if you realize this but we can draft RB's in other rounds, not just the first round. Novel idea I know but there is no reason to get a first round back.
by Burt D @ Blogging The Boys on Oct 28, 2007 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions
are you that bad off
I am pumping up a guy who will not be drafted until the 3 or 4 round
but I know we will get D mac
by Arkcowboys on Oct 28, 2007 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions
A first and a third?
Wow, you really wouldn't let MB3 walk for a first and a third? How interesting. I have a ton of respect for the guy, and I really hope he is a Cowboy for a long time. But, I would definitely let him move for a first and a third.
Dallas would have three first round draft picks. I often chuckle when people indicate "if you have two first rounders, you control the draft". That is absurd; nobody can control the draft.
However, if you have three first round draft picks, you can perhaps control your position in both the first and second rounds. And the value of that is more than the value of almost all players on a roster. That raises an interesting question: what players on the current Dallas roster would you not trade for a mid-round first and a third? Newman, Romo and Ware for sure. Maybe next season Hatcher and Spencer would be added to that list. But right now, I'd move almost anyone for a first and a third.
by Cowboy Louie on Oct 29, 2007 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions
woops
add Witten to that list of guys I wouldn't trade for a first and third.
by Cowboy Louie on Oct 29, 2007 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions
so who going to spell him
TT don't think so - see you havew now vision
all our draft picks might be busts ROFLMAO
by Arkcowboys on Oct 28, 2007 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions
My problem is...
Everything about Andy Reid, potential FA moves (like the Barber deal) and the vast majority of their posting involve no real substance whatsoever. It's simply speculation on situations they feel could happen. They aren't telling anyone anything out of the ordinary. People know Andy Reid is having family issues, he's probably got some things to get in order around his household, and the Eagles are struggling big time this year...How hard is it to say 'Well, he could very well resign at the end of the season.'? It's not. But there's absolutely no substance to it right now. Absolutely nothing to support the thought, except for the notion that he's having family issues and the team is struggling. If that's all the story is built upon, they aren't breaking anything, they're simply speculating.
The Marion Barber story is the same thing. Barber is a RFA this offseason. The Cowboys haven't offered an extension. Why offer him big money now, when you can wait and let the market play out for itself come the FA period? If Barber's money gets outside of what the Boys are willing to spend, they could potentially get a 1st round pick in return. If he doesn't, the Cowboys can still match any offer and lose nothing by waiting it out. If nobody else offers him a contract, the Boys get him for another year at a BARGAIN price. I don't see the news there. That's nothing more than good front office work from Jerry and the staff. That snippet does nothing more than speculate the Cowboys are holding out and hoping for another 1st round pick. Another baseless assumption.
Maybe it's improved drastically since I quit visiting several months ago, but I always felt they speculated too much and based their 'breaking news' on things they felt would/could potentially happen rather than basing things on facts or opinions from actual sources around the league, and that seems to still be the case with the two snippets mentioned in this post. The fact that the site always looked extremely messy/unorganized and the Rumor Mill snippets were poorly written didn't help...
No way we let Barber get away
Let the media speculate all they want. There's no way Barber is not re-signed. He's just too solid of a football player.
by APerfectStar on Oct 27, 2007 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions
i think the point of the article
was that letting barber go to get a THIRD first round pick could be interesting.
doesnt mean i agree, just i thought it was an interesting point
We get it
It's just an extremely unlikely scenario, not worth thinking about since it will never happen.
by APerfectStar on Oct 28, 2007 4:57 AM CDT up reply actions
You post that stupid article every other second
you are obviously alluding to something.
And no the article is not interesting, I could have told you that. It didn't have any new information.
by Burt D @ Blogging The Boys on Oct 28, 2007 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions
Stewart
I've watched every USC game this year. They have some weaknesses as a team, but run defense is absolutely not one of them. They are big and quick on the line and their linebackers fill the gaps exceptionally well. Stewart's effort today was really impressive. The thing that makes him tough to gauge though is Dixon. With a quarterback who's a threat to run on every play, Oregon uses fakes, play-action, and misdirection all the time. Consequently, Stewart does often blow through pretty massive holes - USC was a step slow all day because they paused to wait for Dixon. Hard to say what Stewart will be capable of in a more traditional run-pass offense.
All that said, I agree a playmaking WR is a bigger priority on offense at this point than RB. On the other hand, it's hard to justify high offensive picks when you've already got one of the top 3 offenses in the league. My gut is that Wade will continue Parcells attempts to construct an exceptional defense in Dallas. You know he wants more disruption and talent at both DE's. If there's a game-changing DE on the board for the Cowboys - and they don't address that via trade (Jason Taylor) or free agency - then Cowboys go DE with the Browns' pick....
Just an alternative pov....
Posting to your original thought
that using our higher 1st rounder to take a receiver and specifically DeSean Jackson I think it has merit. Now mind you the 1st round receivers in recent years have not done real well. Maybe only Calvin Johnson was a sure thing and Jackson is not Calvin Johnson. But I do agree that speed and good hands are what we need most to eventually replace Terry Glenn ( we seem to have a number of possession receivers) and a returner in the meantime would be a big contribution. I watched Cal's game with Oregon and again today with Arizona State and Jackson can fly. He has much to learn and our scouting department would be the ones to say whether he can learn to play physical and get off the line against pro corners. Thanks for the thought. Well said.
Boy I guess the reasons my diaries
don't get between 50 and 100 posts is that they are missing those two magic words - "Arkcowboys" and "McFadden". That is a guaranteed 50 + posts right there, quality notwithstanding.
I'd rather keep MB3
than aquire McFadden if it comes down to it. Call me crazy but I love what MB3 brings to the table not only with the numbers, but the energy as well. His style of run is comparable to no other back in the league. It's just so much fun to watch. Fans and teammates alike go crazy when he blows up a defender. Fanfreakingtastic!
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hmmmmm somebody agreees with me
ESPN draft guru Mel Kiper Jr. had Forte as the country's No. 5 senior running back. Todd McShay of Scout Inc. has tabbed Forte as one of the five seniors making the biggest move up draft charts
by Arkcowboys on Oct 29, 2007 11:19 AM CDT reply actions
here is again
http://www.saintsreport.com/modules....
number 36 with M Hart being 29
by Arkcowboys on Oct 29, 2007 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions
You have noticed...
The senior class of RBs in absolutely abysmal, no? McFadden, Stewart, Slaton, Rice, and Felix Jones would all be rated ahead of ANY senior RB. Maybe even James Davis and Ian Johnson would probably be somewhere in the middle of the Top 5 SRs...Forte isn't a Top 5 RB in the country, so those articles don't prove anything, other than that he's still a marginal prospect.
oh so sub you want a receiver thats
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/melkiper/index
14. Lavelle Hawkins Sr. WR Cal
by Arkcowboys on Oct 29, 2007 11:47 AM CDT reply actions
It's official
You believe everything you read outside of this forum. Not only is Jackson a fasterr, taller, and an all around better receiver, he's also a good return man which we could really use.
It's kinda dumb to troll all over the internet trying to find people who agree with you, rather, finding people who you seemingly agree with only to tout it with a smug "I told you so" mentality. Hell even the first link you posted doesn't coincide with your facade.
http://www.saintsreport.com/modules....
Not to mention all the players listed there are seniors which D. Jackson is not.
oh ok tell me how right you are an how wrong I am
only giving my opinion - subdude
"It's kinda dumb to troll all over the internet trying to find people who agree with you"
never have done it - is it fun subdude
I don't think Jerry will pick DJ -
by Arkcowboys on Oct 29, 2007 11:45 PM CDT up reply actions
LOL
Believe it or not, I don't sit around BTB all day long. I have class until noon, and my internship from 1-5. I check in if I have time, but rarely post before 6 during the week...
Good to see you found time to spew more grammatically flawed nonsense during your lunch break today, though...Does your job require you to form complete sentences and coherent responses, use periods and commas, etc.? Hard to believe someone who claims to be old enough to have seen the Cowboys teams of the 70s and 80s can't type...
Why don't you guys take a break from each other?
When it devolves to this level, probably everything that can be said, has been said.
by Dave Halprin on Oct 29, 2007 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm telling you Grizz
An option to ignore certain users would help a lot. I know it shouldn't have to come to that but ya gotta do what ya gotta do. No wait, it is what it is :P
never said I was any good as english or a writer
I have three degrees - But don't work any more - don't need to - I used to using - I have MSCE in networking
by Arkcowboys on Oct 29, 2007 11:48 PM CDT up reply actions
I know I can't spell thank god for computers
I am used to using those acronyms used them in my networking job
by Arkcowboys on Oct 30, 2007 1:47 AM CDT up reply actions
Marketing Research Analysis...
Working for a company here in DFW...
very cool
by Arkcowboys on Oct 30, 2007 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions
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