Our RB quandry...
by jacksastud on Dec 28, 2007 11:15 AM CST
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could anyone clear up our actual situation as far marion and jones contractual situation?
With all the talk of us draftin a rb in the first round(i dont think it will or should happen by the way), i was just wondering what the odds of re-signing either/niether or both of theses guys. Futhermore, do they have any rights as far as qualifing offers to retain rights to either? it seems likely that marion will get a lion's share of any thing and that JJ might just get a minimum offer to make sure the boys get some compensation if he does walk. Would it be so bad if Jewls just accepted a secondary role and a stuck around for small time bucks? i just dont like the idea of us giving up on what amounts to the guy we picked over steven jackson. Make no mistake, i have no want to bring back jewls over marion, but to just let him walk so that we can draft his clone? marion is the real deal in my opinion and should be paid as such, JJ is a back up and should also be paid accordingly. Draft the best players available, thats what good teams with not to many holes do. Once again though, anyone who can offer some clarity to the restricted/unrestricted status and what that entails for our two rb's would be my hero......
and on a side note to terry, nice move on shooting down my trade offer of a Qb and a rb for a single player(who i cant even remember) so that you can leave your injured reserve QB lienart in your starting lineup all year.
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Jone and barber
Julius Jones is a free agent, Dallas has NO interest in resigning him, Barber is a restricted free agent, if he isn't signed before the beginning of free agentcy, dallas would prbably tender a first and third round pick on him if he's signed as compensation, or match anothe rteams contract, You dont want to be in the business of matching contracts when teams put in poisen pills, ala like was done when Minnesota signed Seattles probowl guard a few years back in hutchinson. Tyson thompson days in dallas is also coming to an end, he hasn't progressed enough and his duties as a kick returner have been also taken away from him, so look for him to be cut after this year, running back is a definite huge need in this upcoming draft.
by Deke on Dec 28, 2007 11:28 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Agree
Jones and Thompson are both gone after this year.
But, I wouldn't try to move up in the first round to get a RB. If a stud like Jonathan Stewart falls to the Cleveland pick I'd be tempted to take him. IMO you can find a complementary back to MB3 in the middle rounds (MB3 was a 4th round pick).
by DeRat on Dec 28, 2007 12:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
complementary back
is what I see barber as, his role on this team shouldn't change, he's not a lead back IMO, that's why we need to find a lead back, Stewart is the guy I think really fits the bill, Dallas has eight draft picks, surely not all eight picks will make the team, so I think you'll see dallas trade some of their lower round picks to make a move on a player they really want, but I wouldn't count out at all dallas trading one of their first round picks for a second rounder and a first rounder next year. I could see a quarterback falling that a team early in the second round would want to make the move to get who they really like, ala Cleveland last year with Quinn.
by Deke on Dec 28, 2007 1:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We need a speed RB
to compliment MB3. DMAC may be a long shot, but I'm not discounting Jerry making a play for him in the draft. If not, then Felix Jones or Steven Slaton would be my next choices. Slaton would be dangerous in the backfiled and could be used like a Brian Westbrook.
by Cowboys81 on Dec 28, 2007 1:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll pass on Slaton
I don't like the fact that he came from an option heavy offense and had a QB that was a running threat as well. I'm sure he's good, but I would rather go after someone that has had more success in an offensive scheme that is similar to what we run.
by groves on Dec 28, 2007 1:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Jerry's not paying big money
to 2 backs or giving up the house for one player. With our position in the first rd, Jerry will never consider drafting McFadden.
by Terry on Dec 28, 2007 1:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Terry you
will learn eventually, never say never with Jerry Jones.
by Cowboys81 on Dec 28, 2007 3:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Jerry is getting smarter so I feel more
comfortable saying that.
by Terry on Dec 28, 2007 3:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Is the term Lead Back relevant anymore?
I don't think you can use the term "lead back" when talking about the Cowboys. Julius was not the "lead back" this year. He just happened to get the first series of downs.
To me, "thunder and lightning" is a better designation for backs in a two back rotation. Barber brings the thunder but, unfortunately, Julius has lost his spark and didn't bring the lightning this year. That's why he won't be back next year.
What we need is an elusive back with speed to compliment Barbers power running style. Someone who can get to the edge and make people miss in space. Someone who is a good receiver out of the backfield and it wouldn't hurt if he was a good punt returner as well.
I don't pretend to know who fits that bill but, to me, that's the type of back we should be looking for.
by BulletBob on Dec 28, 2007 1:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
thats
the type of RB we will go after in the draft. Don't ever, ever think Jerry won't try to get DMAC. Everyone thinks are two first rounders are something special to give up. Heck, one of them is essentailly a high second round pick and the other will be a mid first round pick. That's nothing to get stud RB. I realize it would cost us an additional draft pick this or next year, but still well worth it. I think Jerry will be more active in FA than the draft addressing other needs.
Again, quote me on this one. If Jerry doesn't package both picks he will trade down one or both first round picks. I don't see anyone worth taking for what we need in the mid to late first round.
by Cowboys81 on Dec 28, 2007 3:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
McFadden isn't worth it
Like i said he's just a taller version of Reggie Bush and I wouldn't give up multiple draft picks and players for him and I'm sure Jerry feels the same way.
by Terry on Dec 28, 2007 3:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
There is one name that refutes
the idea of packaging two 1st round pick for a single player: Joey Galloway. Jerry Jones learned his lesson there and was further taught by Coach Parcells that more picks are better than high picks.
by lee3022 on Dec 29, 2007 3:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Probably the King's dumbest personnel move yet
Yeah, Lee... I hope he has truly learned from that and never turns back.
However, the thought of King Jerry not blocking Jeff Ireland from going to Miami concerns me. I don't like the idea of him being the sole guy in charge of the draft and personnel matters.
That too -- like the idiotic Galloway trade -- brings back bad memories.
by kcbrett5 on Dec 29, 2007 8:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You Just Described Felix Jones ....
IMO, Felix Jones should be in the forefront of our draft needs. This man will be a star at the next level.He will be one of those top return men that puts fear in opponents.He will be a home run threat every time he touches the ball.I feel he is exactly who we need splitting carries with Barber next season. If he is going to be around for the 22-26 pick...not sure.I'd trade the Cleveland pick and maybe a 4th and 6th to move into the top 15-17 and grab 'em.....Just like we did with Emmitt Smith.
by BoyzRback07 on Dec 28, 2007 7:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Felix Jones
will be a mid first to second round pick, but that could change if he competes at the combine. He won't be near the 15th pick unless he blows the combine away. We will be able to get him with the Browns pick if we want.
by Cowboys81 on Dec 28, 2007 8:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
we'll see...
like you said..."The Combine" will predicate everything....as will his on campus Pro Day....running right along side DMac....If I knew it was going to be a lock that he will be there at pick 24..I'd say great...stay put....but I see his stock rising in the next few months. I can assure you he will not make it to the second round.
by BoyzRback07 on Dec 28, 2007 8:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it wil be close
but I think DMAC is the faster of the two. I thought I read somewhere that DMAC has low 4.3 speed.
by Cowboys81 on Dec 28, 2007 8:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Felix 40 an Dmacs 40 so close who cares
"Darren's faster and I'm shiftier," Jones said. "I've been working on my speed and strength."
http://www.realfootball365.com/colle...
Felix is 6-feet, 200 pounds, and a 4.4 man in the 40.
Dmac is 6 feet 2 inches tall, weighing 215 pounds, and possessing 4.3 second speed in the 40-yard dash,
by Arkcowboys on Dec 28, 2007 11:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Dude...Make up your mind..
You make a post disputing the speed of Felix Jones... quote " I mean we need speed back there" unquote , then you give evidence to his elite track speed,and even more data to support he is just as fast as DMac...not only is he as fast, but he's much more fluid, elusive, and shiftier....I like...
then you say it's so close , who cares ? Just face it, DMac is not needed here, Felix Jones is the perfect match to compliment MBIII.
by BoyzRback07 on Dec 29, 2007 9:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
DUDE I don't have a post disputing F Jones Speed
I would rather have Dmac - JMO
by Arkcowboys on Dec 29, 2007 1:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll take either one, but not at the expense...
... of trading multiple high draft picks.
by kcbrett5 on Dec 29, 2007 8:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
For those who doubt Stewart's speed...
by kcbrett5 on Dec 29, 2007 9:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd take Stewart over any other back
He's thee best overall back in the draft if he declares, the guy has a pro type body and NFL strength, power with great vision, speed and elusiveness.
by Deke on Dec 29, 2007 9:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
we already have a Stewie - MBIII
Nagging ankle injuries slowed his progress as a freshman and sophomore years
http://www.statesmanjournal.com/apps...
"In my mind, if he's a top 10 pick, (if) he's in the top half of the first round, he probably should go. That's the best scenario," Bellotti said. "If he's not, then he should probably stay. Late first round, second round, anything like that, he'll make more money the next year."
by Arkcowboys on Dec 30, 2007 12:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agree
Can't see trading into the top 10 to get DMAC.
Of all the other possible RB's in the draft, Stewart has the NFL body and skill set to succeed. He has the best combo of size and speed, see's the hole well and consistently breaks tackles.
by DeRat on Dec 31, 2007 4:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't say
Thompson is done. He will be on this team. I think the reason he hasnt been active is because of us using more FBs and TEs on the active game day roster.
Jones is gone I agree.
by Cowboys81 on Dec 28, 2007 1:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
jacksastud
I missed our fantasy draft and really didn't like the team that the computer drafted for me so since I was in like 4 other leagues, I really didn't care about this league. I never checked it all season and don't even know who won.
by Terry on Dec 28, 2007 1:46 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
this is all have to Say F JONES if not Dmac
http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW...
I mean we need speed back there
by Arkcowboys on Dec 28, 2007 3:41 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
??????
the article says Jones has elite track speed, so what are you saying??
by Terry on Dec 28, 2007 3:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
umm exactly Terry...LOL...he needs to read before
Ark is delusionally in lust with DMac...Funny part is...I can only assume from his screen name he is a Arkansas fan, and has probably seen a few of their games over the past few years....but he is not on board with many people on this site that would give their first born child if we were able to draft Felix Jones....DMac.....could not , can not, and never will be drafted by the Cowboys...why ?...cuz we don't need him....we need Felix Jones...at less than half the price, and half the draft picks to aquire.
by BoyzRback07 on Dec 28, 2007 7:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ummm Ark...hello...McFly.....Are you out there ??
Hey Ark....maybe when you post a link to a site to dispute someone's (Felix Jones) speed compared to your "man crush" DMac....you might want to read what they say about Felix Jones before you do so :
" His teammate, Felix Jones, is not nearly as big at an estimated 5-11, 205 pounds, but he possesses elite track speed and has been terrific in space complementing McFadden, gaining more yards per carry than any other back in college football." - quoted from link Ark posted.
Ummm.... "I mean we need speed back there"-Arkcowboys
Hello????? I guess possessing ELITE track speed isn't fast enough nowadays?
I guess winning the award as the nations "best return" doesn't get any kudos, for having enough speed to outrun 11 on coming defenders.
I guess leading the country in YPC means he's slow of foot ?
I so much look forward to Arkansas Pro Day and combines to dispell Ark's notion that Felix Jones is not fast...I am willing to bet he runs under 4.4 40 yards....I am also willing to bet he is as fast or faster than DMac, is more elusive, has better vision, had less fumbles this year than DMac, Has better career average per rush, He is a better return man than DMac, and and a more acomplished receiver out of the backfield, and best, but not least, will not cost us the farm to get him, and will not cost us 10-14 million per year to have him on our team, as a part time runner.
ummm...And this guy's assessment and comparisons to Brian Westbrook is exactly what I posted in past posts. We need a Westbrook on our team...When was the last time the Cowboys have executed a proper TB screen play ?..ummm...Tony Dorsett was playing for us.
by BoyzRback07 on Dec 28, 2007 7:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Duhhhhhhh
the last screen would that Aikman to Emmitt or the Moose
by Arkcowboys on Dec 28, 2007 11:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Has better career average per rush
the only reason for that is that he runs the sweeps and reverses -and not between the tackles
what are you basing this on ?
"and a more acomplished receiver out of the backfield"
you got a link ?
by Arkcowboys on Dec 29, 2007 12:36 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I've seen then both play...that's my info..
I've watched nearly all of Arkansas's games these past two years. And you obviously haven't if your saying Felix Jones doesn't run between the tackles..He did not run 150+ sweeps or reverses this year guy..your just a hater and a DMac luster..Most od DMac's big runs came while he was in the Wild Hog formation, given a direct snap from center...It's a whole lot easier to gain positive yardage when you start off with the ball, and are able to dictate the play on your own...And by the way....I do believe Felix Jones has much more receptions than DMac...while playing in less than half the snaps.
by BoyzRback07 on Dec 29, 2007 9:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yea right you watched every game
"....I do believe Felix Jones has much more receptions than DMac...while playing in less than half the snaps" you only believe that I thought you watched every game ????????? whats up ???
Dmac - 21 catches 164 yrds
Jones - 13 - 111 yrds
oh my god man you are something to say that I am a hater - I like them both - but with the team we now have would be a perfect time to go after a game changer
"..Most od DMac's big runs came while he was in the Wild Hog formation, given a direct snap from center...It's a whole lot easier to gain positive yardage when you start off with the ball, and are able to dictate the play on your own.."
And you know this how ?????????
you have any expierence ????? at the wild hog
http://www.draftdaddy.com/features/v...
here watch again
by Arkcowboys on Dec 29, 2007 1:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
well...proof is in the puddin'
I have taken the time to put these stats out there for some people who have DMac tunnel vision.. :
Career statistics of DMac and Felix Jones:
Rushing: D Mac Rushing: Felix Jones
764 - 4,485- 5.87ypc 376 - 2,911- 7.74ypc
Receiving: Receiving:
40 - 365- 7.93ypr 41 - 318- 8.83ypr
Kickoff Returns: Kickoff Returns:
37 - 893- 24.13ypr 58 - 1,661- 28.63ypr
Total Yards From Scrimmage: (rushing,receiving,returns)
D Mac:
837 touches - 5,743 yards - 6.86 per touch
Felix Jones:
468 touches - 4,890 yards -10.44 per touch
Over 10 yards gained everytime Felix Jones touches the ball, that's unreal....You would have to do some serious research to find a running back that can come close to that average, going against SEC opponents.
Statistically speaking; Felix Jones is better than McFadden in every statistical category.
by BoyzRback07 on Dec 29, 2007 4:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Felix mancrusher BoyzRB
2005
RUSHING
GP-GS Att Gain Avg TD Long Avg/G
------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------
Darren McFadden
11-8 176 1181 6.3 11 70 101.2
Felix Jones
11-2 99 662 6.3 3 80 56.9
RECEIVING GP-GS No. Yds Avg TD Long Avg/G
--------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------
Darren McFadden
11-8 14 52 3.7 0 12 4.7
Felix Jones 11-2 8 100 12. 0 23 9.1
2006
RUSHING GP-GS Att Gain Avg TD Long Avg/G
------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------- ------------------
Darren McFadden
14-14 284 1714 5.8 14 80 117.6
Felix Jones
14-6 154 1225 7.6 6 85 83.4
RECEIVING GP-GS No. Yds Avg TD Long Avg/G
----------------------------------------------------
Felix Jones
14-6 15 107 7.1 3 29 7.6
Darren McFadden
14-14 11 149 13.5 1 70 10.6
2007
RUSHIN
GP-GS Att Gain Avg TD Long Avg/G
------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------ -----------------
Darren McFadden
12-12 304 1788 5.7 15 80 143.8
Felix Jones
12-3 123 1154 9.1 11 73 93.1
RECEIVING GP-GS No. Yds Avg TD Long Avg/G
----------------------------------------------------
Darren McFadden
12-12 21 164 7.8 1 57 13.7
Felix Jones
12-3 13 111 8.5 0 22 9.2
hmmmmm my numbers are right off the Razorback Site
and what ever you say is not going to change my mind - I believe Dmac is the better player
IMO
whos got the most yards per game ?? whos got the most TD's
by Arkcowboys on Dec 29, 2007 11:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
here read and weep Felix mancrusher can you add
PASSING G Att Cmp Int Yds TD Lg Pct Avg/P Avg/G
TOTAL 37 22 14 1 205 7 42 63.6 9.3 5.5
TOTAL OFFENSE G Rush Pass Total Avg/G
TOTAL 37 4485 205 4690 126.8
RECEIVING G Rec Yds TD Lg Rec/G Avg/C Avg/G
TOTAL 37 46 365 2 70 1.3 7.9 9.9
KICK RETURNS G No. Yds TD Lg Avg/R Avg/G
TOTAL 37 37 893 1 92 24.1 24.1
ALL PURPOSE G Rush Rec PR KR IR Total Avg/G
TOTAL 37 4485 365 0 893 0 5743 155.2
SCORING G TD Rush Pass Retn PAT 2PAT FG Total Avg/G
TOTAL 37 43 40 2 1 0 2 0 262 7.1
by Arkcowboys on Dec 29, 2007 11:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
more for you Dmac is the MUCH better player
Darren McFadden
RUSHING G Att Yds TD Lg Avg/C Avg/G
2005................ 11 176 1113 11 70 6.3 101.2
2006................ 14 284 1647 14 80 5.8 117.6
2007................ 12 304 1725 15 80 5.7 143.8
TOTAL............... 37 764 4485 40 80 5.9 121.2
TOTAL OFFENSE G Rush Pass Total Avg/G
2005................ 11 1113 13 1126 102.4
2006................ 14 1647 69 1716 122.6
2007................ 12 1725 123 1848 154.0
TOTAL............... 37 4485 205 4690 126.8
I never said I did not like Felix - I take him also
RECEIVING G Rec Yds TD Lg Rec/G Avg/C Avg/G
2005............. 11 14 52 0 12 1.3 3.7 4.7
2006............. 14 11 149 1 70 0.8 13.5 10.6
2007..............12 21 164 1 57 1.8 7.8 13.7
TOTAL.............37 46 365 2 70 1.2 7.9 9.9
KICK RETURNS G No. Yds TD Lg Avg/R Avg/G
2005................ 11 12 348 0 81 29.0 31.6
2006................ 14 10 262 1 92 26.2 18.7
2007................ 12 15 283 0 29 18.9 23.6
TOTAL............... 37 37 893 1 92 24.1 24.1
ALL PURPOSE G Rush Rec PR KR IR Total Avg/G
2005................ 11 1113 52 0 348 0 1513 137.5
2006................ 14 1647 149 0 262 0 2058 147.0
2007................ 12 1725 164 0 283 0 2172 181.0
TOTAL............... 37 4485 365 0 893 0 5743 155.2
SCORING G TD Rush Total Avg/G
2005................ 11 11 11 68 6.2
2006................ 14 16 14 98 7.0
2007................ 12 16 15 96 8.0
TOTAL............... 37 43 40 262 7.1
by Arkcowboys on Dec 29, 2007 11:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
NFL Draft Scout
would support your bet. They list Felix at 4.39 and D-Mac at 4.42. They also rank D-Mac 1st, Jonathan Stewart (4.34) 2nd and Felix Jones 3rd (of the 2009 class). It seems likely that top-half of 1st round may determine all three's decision to declare. Coach Bellotti does not think he will lose Stewart.
by lee3022 on Dec 29, 2007 3:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I say
that they will let julius go to free agency and thompson will not be resigned or cut. Barber will not make it to FA, he will be resigned shortly after the season. The chances of us getting Dmac are slim and non, Felix Jones now that would be a nice pick, he's a definite speed back and would pair up nicly with MBIII.
by thefan on Dec 28, 2007 6:17 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
and slim just left the building!
by Terry on Dec 28, 2007 10:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
More than the first tow picks
It would take more than our two first round picks to trade down and get DMac. You can look at the chart here, http://www.sportznutz.com/nfl/draft/...
Teams use this when assessing what a draft pick is worth. Besides, Jerry has built this team by trading down and getting more picks, I can't see him going against what has made this team as good as it is.
by stevefs12 on Dec 29, 2007 10:57 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
thats been my point all along
To get into the top 5, which is where McFadden will be drafted, the Cowboys at picks 19 or 20 and 31 or 32 will need to package not only those 2 picks, but at least 2 more and several players.
Jones will never do that.....NEVER.
by Terry on Dec 29, 2007 10:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thats right
Everyone in the league leaves that to Dan Snyder!
by stevefs12 on Dec 29, 2007 11:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
HE'S STAYING ... UNLESS HE DOESN'T
Felix Jones appears to be tiring of the constant questions about his NFL status. Jones, Arkansas' speedy junior running back, can go pro after this season. Jones and fellow tailback Darren McFadden have said they don't want to discuss future plans until after the Cotton Bowl.
"I'm a Razorback now," Jones said. "I'll be a Razorback until I say different."
by Arkcowboys on Dec 30, 2007 12:34 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
geez..that makes sense...
there is no reason for me to even respond to your posts. I usually spend more time scratching my head in hysterics than I do typing.
Felix Jones will be a projected 1st round pick, no if's , and's, or buts...He will not stick around to play for some unloyal, untrustworthy coach.
DMac will never play for the Dallas Cowboys, get over it.
by BoyzRback07 on Dec 30, 2007 3:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
theres no reason for me to respond to
yours like your going to change anybodys mind - but I like to just to throw you a curve ball every now an then
"DMac will never play for the Dallas Cowboys, get over it."
NEVER SAY NEVER - esp after the performance I saw out of RB's today - esp to what Jerry can do
why because I got the facts right ??
by Arkcowboys on Dec 30, 2007 7:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
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