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Early games open thread

Open thread for the early games.

I just heard on NFL Countdown from Mort that the Falcons will ask the Cowboys for permission to speak to Jason Garrett about their head-coaching position. Don’t freak yet, a few other guys were on the list and Mike Singletary has expressed his interest, he interviewed with them last year. But, it’s begun. Teams will be sniffing around seeing what they can lift from this year’s Cowboys; 13-2 will get you that.

Update [2007-12-30 12:0:17 by Dave Halprin (Grizz)]: Deke has a diary on this, he let's us know that Rex Ryan from the Ravens and Jim Caldwell from the Colts are also candidates.

DC.com standard preview of the Cowboys/Redskins.

Cowlishaw has some thoughts about the Cowboys.

The DFW S-T has a list of individual achievements that are in range; ones beyond Romo, Witten and MB3.  

This is an open thread for the early games.

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I'm freaking

The Falcons are exactly the type of up-and-coming team with a strong disciplinary policy and a pool of young talent that Garrett would leave us for.

by goodjobtimmyheresabluestar (46717) on Dec 30, 2007 10:55 AM CST reply actions  

Today's game

Jimmy Johnson says Dallas should try and eliminate WAS....

I agree...  any thoughts?

Cowboys fan since 1978.. I was 3 years old

by Mullin on Dec 30, 2007 11:20 AM CST reply actions  

Sure we'll try to win

but I want them to limit the exposure of our stars. Imagine if this week T.O. wasn't hurt and we kept playing him into the second half and he did to his ankle what he did last week. That's the thing that scares me. Romo, MB3, Witten, Ware, Bradie, if one of those guys got hurt this week I'd freak.

Try to win, but limit exposure.

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by Dave Halprin on Dec 30, 2007 11:44 AM CST up reply actions  

The Fort Worth Star-Telegram

National guys do this all the time, but I would think locals would know the difference: it's the "Fort Worth Star-Telegram," not the Dallas-Fort Worth Star-Telegram."

Rock me.

by redstripe on Dec 30, 2007 11:41 AM CST reply actions  

I'm torn between going into the playoffs with

a convincing win, or risking injury.
I say go for the win!

Wharter

by Wharter on Dec 30, 2007 11:50 AM CST reply actions  

I'm all for limiting injuries

But I have to admit now that gameday is here, the competitive juices are flowing. Still, we need to be careful.

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by Dave Halprin on Dec 30, 2007 11:56 AM CST reply actions  

It's a Difficult Balance

We don't want to get any additional injuries, but I think there's a risk treating in getting the guys out as soon as possible.  This will be the last playing experience for the starters for the next two weeks, so we want to keep them sharp, so the rust doesn't appear in a playoff game.

I think we're in a great situation, where we would like to get a look at guys like McQuistan, Stanback, Alan Ball, Brown and some others, and we want to limit the exposure to injury.

But I don't think that should be our prime concern.  New England regularly plays their starters deep into meaningless games, after they've wrapped up home field, and they've done pretty good in the playoffs.

by kindablue on Dec 30, 2007 12:08 PM CST up reply actions  

These early games stink

most of them are meaningless. At least we can root against the Browns, and that game has playoff implications.

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by Dave Halprin on Dec 30, 2007 12:03 PM CST reply actions  

Holy crap

Chris Weinke is the QB for the 49ers. That can't be good.

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by Dave Halprin on Dec 30, 2007 12:05 PM CST up reply actions  

fourth

Smith, Difler, Hill...and now Weinke.

A lot of teams will be taking QBs in the 2008 draft.

There are two Adrian Petersons, but there is only one Marion Barber.

by Nelson @ Blogging The Boys on Dec 30, 2007 12:18 PM CST up reply actions  

I dont know about SF taking a quarterback

in the draft next year, Smith has improved this year until he was injured and placed on IR.

by Deke on Dec 30, 2007 12:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Are you kidding?

Smith looked terrible all year and lost the faith of the team and the coach

by Jordan2 on Dec 30, 2007 12:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed

Smith's numbers have been mediocre to atrocious his first three seasons.  The really good QBs start to show something by now.  Free agent replacement QBs have shown more than Smith.

by kindablue on Dec 30, 2007 12:47 PM CST up reply actions  

maybe not SF

but nearly half the other NFL teams may.

There are two Adrian Petersons, but there is only one Marion Barber.

by Nelson @ Blogging The Boys on Dec 30, 2007 12:28 PM CST up reply actions  

This whole day is meaningless

Most of the teams that are in the playoffs are playing backups. I hate this weekend. I can't wait until next week when things get interesting.

The Beast of the East is back!!!!

by Cowboys81 on Dec 30, 2007 1:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Thank you Derek Anderson

picked off at the two yard line, 49'er ball

by Deke on Dec 30, 2007 12:10 PM CST reply actions  

Boring games

I got the bills vs eagles and the saints vs bears.. both of them have zero feel and excitment in them haha

by thebigham on Dec 30, 2007 12:16 PM CST reply actions  

If Romo and the starters don't

play that much, our game will be boring as well. It will feel like a preseason game.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Dec 30, 2007 12:20 PM CST reply actions  

regardless of who plays and for how long

I hope we can still win. Somehow. 14-2 would be nice.

There are two Adrian Petersons, but there is only one Marion Barber.

by Nelson @ Blogging The Boys on Dec 30, 2007 12:20 PM CST reply actions  

I dont think Dallas will risk some players

in a meaningless game in what looks like a rainy day when they have nothing to play for. Washington needs this game and they'll win, IMO.

by Deke on Dec 30, 2007 12:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah but

Is brad johnson that bad? Are dallas's backups that bad that people will right them off. They will be playing with some fire atleast i would be. They can help this team get to a franchise record 14wins

by thebigham on Dec 30, 2007 12:25 PM CST up reply actions  

no, but I dont think players give a rats a@%

about whether they'll end up 13-3 or 14-2. With the weather conditions, I think it'll be a very conservative game plan ad get out of there without any injuries.

by Deke on Dec 30, 2007 12:30 PM CST up reply actions  

IDK

id like to see what stanback and ball can do. And glenn if he plays

by thebigham on Dec 30, 2007 12:21 PM CST reply actions  

Testaverde's finally riding off into the sunset
There are two Adrian Petersons, but there is only one Marion Barber.

by Nelson @ Blogging The Boys on Dec 30, 2007 12:23 PM CST reply actions  

Josh Cribbs is a freak

punt return TD for the Browns

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by Dave Halprin on Dec 30, 2007 12:32 PM CST reply actions  

Cleveland with a special teams for a TD

When cleveland gets their defense squared away, they'll be a team to contend with next year

by Deke on Dec 30, 2007 12:34 PM CST reply actions  

Westbrook

is an absolute beast just an all around good player.

by thebigham on Dec 30, 2007 12:35 PM CST reply actions  

yeah, a very underated player in this league

he just can never stay healthy for an entire year.

by Deke on Dec 30, 2007 12:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Madden 08
They predicted 34-6 NE over NYG.....
Cowboys fan since 1978.. I was 3 years old

by Mullin on Dec 30, 2007 12:37 PM CST reply actions  

Haha

That thing is always wrong...

oh i dont know his name but during the bears game the annoucer just said jerry jones said to has been like living in his hyperbolic chamber.

by thebigham on Dec 30, 2007 12:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Madden isn't always wrong

They predicted the Boys would only score 6 points vs PHI

Cowboys fan since 1978.. I was 3 years old

by Mullin on Dec 30, 2007 12:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Really?

I stopped checking it after like week 6 when i realized it wasnt accurate or even close

by thebigham on Dec 30, 2007 12:42 PM CST up reply actions  

I wouldn't doubt it

We haven't heard a peep from him all week.

There are two Adrian Petersons, but there is only one Marion Barber.

by Nelson @ Blogging The Boys on Dec 30, 2007 12:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Bears Dominating Saints Early

On both sides of the line of scrimmage.  Colston took a ferocious hit on NO's first drive, causing a good-sized altercation.

Sean Payton is doing everything to keep the ball out of Devin Hester's hands.  His punts are angled for out of bounds, and he's hinted he'll onside kickoff to avoid kicking to him.  Of course, you have to score points to do that and the Saints are scoreless now, but it's a novel idea.

by kindablue on Dec 30, 2007 12:42 PM CST reply actions  

If i were the bears

I would just line up on offense with devin hester about 30yards behind the qb. The qb should take the snap turn around and punt it to hester.. why not i mean he scores what 1 out of every 10 punts or something.. haha

by thebigham on Dec 30, 2007 12:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Looks Like the Packers

Are taking out their frustrations on Detroit.  Poor Lions, their fans are so overdue for a good team.  Matt Millen isn't helping.

by kindablue on Dec 30, 2007 12:44 PM CST reply actions  

One team I'm glad isn't getting into the playoffs

and thats the Eagles, they're playing really good football down the stretch and would of been a real challenge to a top seed if they had gotten into the playoffs.

by Deke on Dec 30, 2007 12:52 PM CST reply actions  

Agreed

John Runyan suffered a concussion early in this game, and has been replaced by Winton "The Human Turnstile" Justice.  The Eagles have gone to shorter drops and are eating the Bills secondary for lunch.

They might be playing the best football in the NFC right now.

by kindablue on Dec 30, 2007 12:54 PM CST up reply actions  

unfortunately McNabb didn't find it funny

LOL

There are two Adrian Petersons, but there is only one Marion Barber.

by Nelson @ Blogging The Boys on Dec 30, 2007 1:08 PM CST up reply actions  

DC Weather Report

Rain is forecast for gametime, and although it's not raining here yet, rain clouds are all around.

Doesn't look good for Glenn making his debut today.  I'm a little concerned that with Owens and Glenn out, and the rush to get Romo on the bench, that we'll spend the first quarter of our first playoff game trying to find our passing rhythm.

by kindablue on Dec 30, 2007 12:52 PM CST reply actions  

Glenn

We shouldn't take chances with him

Cowboys fan since 1978.. I was 3 years old

by Mullin on Dec 30, 2007 12:54 PM CST up reply actions  

He is not going to play

It's raining in the DC area now I heard. It was 60 percent chance of rain and sleet this afternoon.

The Beast of the East is back!!!!

by Cowboys81 on Dec 30, 2007 1:47 PM CST up reply actions  

ugh

well that just stinks.

There are two Adrian Petersons, but there is only one Marion Barber.

by Nelson @ Blogging The Boys on Dec 30, 2007 1:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Barely Drizzling

on the balcony at my place in downtown DC.  But the forecast calls for rain later in the day.

Glenn will sit, and I hope we don't have to spend much time getting him acquainted with the offense in the playoffs.

by kindablue on Dec 30, 2007 1:50 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah any type

of rain he wasn't playing. They might sit Romo and Witten now also. I think MB3 will come in for his 17 yards and leave also.

The Beast of the East is back!!!!

by Cowboys81 on Dec 30, 2007 2:09 PM CST up reply actions  

TD Saints
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by scottmaui on Dec 30, 2007 1:05 PM CST reply actions  

The OTHER adrian peterson

Hes really running well maybe if they went with him the whole season things could of been different.. oh well haha

by thebigham on Dec 30, 2007 1:10 PM CST up reply actions  

peterson2

He just threw a pass TD. Lovie smith wants there late season success to carry to next year like the packers did.

by thebigham on Dec 30, 2007 1:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Brady Quinn in at qb for Browns

they'll lose for sure now.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Dec 30, 2007 1:20 PM CST reply actions  

Man i hope the cowboys can find a way to win.

I would much rather see the cowboys play the saints or vikings instead of the redskins.

by thebigham on Dec 30, 2007 1:24 PM CST reply actions  

We Won't Play Them

Unless they beat Seattle on the road in the first round, which is a pretty tall order.  At one point I thought Minnesota was going to make some noise in the playoffs, but after losing at home last week, I'm not so sure.  Seattle also plays very well at home, not so good on the road.

by kindablue on Dec 30, 2007 1:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Well yeah

Of course they would have to play seatle but i just didnt want a chance to see the redskins again. Im sure everyone here feels the same way......

Hester just caught a long bomb for TD man the bears O is looking good if only they had a better qb.

by thebigham on Dec 30, 2007 1:29 PM CST up reply actions  

They Missed Their Chance

for the Bears QB to punt to him, like you suggested!

At any rate, the Saints defense is still awful.

by kindablue on Dec 30, 2007 1:32 PM CST up reply actions  

haha

yeah itll be in the playbook next year.. just like the cowboys should have a play where they hike it over romos head you look at his stats after theball is hiked over his head its like 3 first downs vs 1 int haha.

by thebigham on Dec 30, 2007 1:35 PM CST up reply actions  

I would rather play the Skins in playoffs

because I think the Giants or Seahawks are better, but like I said it doesn't matter, we can beat them all.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Dec 30, 2007 1:33 PM CST up reply actions  

it won't matter who we play

we're the very best team in the NFC and we'll beat any team we face, I don't care who they are or how well they are playing now.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Dec 30, 2007 1:31 PM CST up reply actions  

I like that attitude
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by scottmaui on Dec 30, 2007 1:31 PM CST up reply actions  

its like Parcells used to say

you are what your record says you are, and that means we're the best the NFC has to offer.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Dec 30, 2007 1:34 PM CST up reply actions  

hey i didnt mean to start anything

i was just saying out of the wild card teams still fighting for a spot i dont want to see the redskins because no matter how good the cowboys are divison rivals are always tough.. case and point eagles game.

by thebigham on Dec 30, 2007 1:37 PM CST up reply actions  

You Didn't Start Anything

Terry can't conceive of Dallas ever losing a game, or Romo playing poorly.  Other members of our group can...no big deal.

by kindablue on Dec 30, 2007 1:39 PM CST up reply actions  

thats not true, I doubt we win today

but you're right when we play our starters, we have too much talent to lose to anyone and that includes the Pats.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Dec 30, 2007 2:13 PM CST up reply actions  

We were beating the Pats up until

some very questionable, game-turning calls by the zebras opened the door wide for NE.

Wharter

by Wharter on Dec 30, 2007 2:44 PM CST up reply actions  

The team I dont want to see anytime soon

is the Giants, they will beat the bucs next week, they are a dangerous team right now.

by Deke on Dec 30, 2007 1:50 PM CST up reply actions  

I Was Thinking the Same Thing

They have a good chance winning in the first round, and I don't want to play them a third time.  No thanks.

by kindablue on Dec 30, 2007 1:52 PM CST up reply actions  

I dont feel like looking.

Does anyone know is there a way we wont play the giants if they win?

by thebigham on Dec 30, 2007 1:55 PM CST up reply actions  

personally I think the second round looks

like this in the NFC,

Giants @ Dallas
Seattle @ Greenbay

by Deke on Dec 30, 2007 2:00 PM CST up reply actions  

The Giants Could Melt Down

in Tampa, but I would agree those are the probable outcomes.

by kindablue on Dec 30, 2007 2:03 PM CST up reply actions  

I like the Giants because they can score

Tampa doesn't really have a great offense and the Giants seems to play better on the road. I like the Giants to control the time of possession and run the ball alot in tampa trying not to put the game in the hands of Manning to win it.

by Deke on Dec 30, 2007 2:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Playbook video

Nothing remarkable, but here's the NFL.com Playbook video preview of the game, if anyone cares...

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by scottmaui on Dec 30, 2007 1:33 PM CST reply actions  

Jacksonville's Achilles Heel

Definitely resides in Houston.  They can smash good teams on the road, but they cannot beat the Texans.

by kindablue on Dec 30, 2007 1:33 PM CST reply actions  

And the Texans

Just returned the second half kickoff for a TD.

Houston leads, 28-14

by kindablue on Dec 30, 2007 1:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Wow

was it the same guy? andre davis?

wow bears int and then fumbled on 30 saints get it back with 2seconds

by thebigham on Dec 30, 2007 1:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Bears Fumble Inside Their Own 30

Late in the second quarter.  Saints have a chance for another score.

by kindablue on Dec 30, 2007 1:40 PM CST reply actions  

Garrett

would be stupid to take a HC position in Atlanta. That organization is a mess to put it mildly. They have so many needs and are in a cap salary hell because of Vick. If I were Garrett I wouldn't even consider it.

The Beast of the East is back!!!!

by Cowboys81 on Dec 30, 2007 1:43 PM CST reply actions  

how is Blank an idiot?

The guy from all accounts is a class act, he's had one of thee worst years in pro football as an owner, when players and a coach flat out lie to your face about whats going on, what do you expect him to do. He's step up and put big money buying the Falcons, an ordganization thats been a door mat of this league, I just hope they have a good offseason and get a GM, a head coach and some players in there to turn it all around, Zimmer will get the defense turned around for sure, I hope it works out for them, not only for Blank, but for the fans of Atlanta and their community.

by Deke on Dec 30, 2007 2:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Me Too

I don't understand Terry's comment at all.

by kindablue on Dec 30, 2007 2:25 PM CST up reply actions  

anyone who ever thought

Michael Vick was actually a franchise qb and worth the contract he paid him, is an idiot.

Vick was a bust from day one, should never have been drafted number one over all.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Dec 30, 2007 2:27 PM CST up reply actions  

And Vick Was Drafted

Before Blank bought the franchise, in any event.

by kindablue on Dec 30, 2007 2:32 PM CST up reply actions  

thats my point

he had no allegience to Vick, but paid him that ridiculous contract anyway.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Dec 30, 2007 2:38 PM CST up reply actions  

don't kid yourself

owners haved more of a say in football operations and personnel than you think. They write the checks, the bottom line falls on their shoulders.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Dec 30, 2007 2:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Devin Hester

Wow that guy is amazing 64yard punt return for TD. How is that guy so good...

by thebigham on Dec 30, 2007 1:59 PM CST reply actions  

Great Camera Angle

on the return too.  You could watch the wall develop, Hester find the seam, and race into the open field.

Sean Payton's worst fears have come true.

by kindablue on Dec 30, 2007 2:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Too funny

The announcers made such a big deal about Coach Payton not kicking to Hester under any circumstance, and wouldn't you know it, one returnable punt and he takes it to the house.

by APerfectStar on Dec 30, 2007 2:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Devin Hester

Takes it to the house on a punt return.

by kindablue on Dec 30, 2007 1:59 PM CST reply actions  

Favre Has Been Pulled

in favor of Craig Nall in Green Bay.

by kindablue on Dec 30, 2007 2:06 PM CST reply actions  

WHO?

haha.. what happen to rodgers?

by thebigham on Dec 30, 2007 2:07 PM CST up reply actions  

That dude

Seems to be injured every time he gets a chance to go out there. It's bizarre.
He never freaking gets on the field, how does he pull a hamstring?

by Or Moyal on Dec 30, 2007 2:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Actually Happened During a Practice

the week after the Dallas game:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slu...

Not sure on what you're basing your evaluation of him being a first round waste.  He hasn't played much, but when he got extended time against Dallas he played well.  A forecast I watch projects him to be a very good QB.

by kindablue on Dec 30, 2007 2:52 PM CST up reply actions  

He played so well

That the Packers still lost the game. I didn't see anything out of this guy to impress me. He's another overrated Cal QB.

by APerfectStar on Dec 30, 2007 7:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Well.. i just saw one of those WhopperFreakout

commercials. since none of these games are really interesting... whopper or big mac? I choose big mac haha. Oh and while we are at it ill choose big mac with a coke not pepsi!

by thebigham on Dec 30, 2007 2:28 PM CST reply actions  

I'm Anxious

The Bears-Saints game will drag out and I'll miss the beginning of the Dallas game.  I know it's meaningless, but I still want to see the whole thing.

by kindablue on Dec 30, 2007 2:34 PM CST up reply actions  

I dont think so

Dont they have that rule in place where that doesnt happen anymore? Im pretty sure they cut to the other game no matter what.

by thebigham on Dec 30, 2007 2:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Not Sure

I guess we'll find out.

by kindablue on Dec 30, 2007 2:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Saints Dim Playoff Hopes

Are fading fast.  Brees sacked and fumbles near midfield.  Bears have the ball, up by 14, just under 13 minutes to go.

by kindablue on Dec 30, 2007 2:38 PM CST reply actions  

Well

the saints just picked it off..

by thebigham on Dec 30, 2007 2:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Tony Romo was wearing gloves..

He doesnt normally.. right i wonder what the deal is. Maybe just for warm up?

by thebigham on Dec 30, 2007 2:46 PM CST reply actions  

It's Was a Meaningless Game

But a win's a win, and the Texans for the first time in their franchise history did not have a losing record.  They finished 8-8.

by kindablue on Dec 30, 2007 2:59 PM CST reply actions  

Holding in the endzone,

called as a saftey bears are getting the ball and up but 16 just switch the game already haha

by thebigham on Dec 30, 2007 3:01 PM CST reply actions  

Please Switch

We still have 15 more minutes or so, but I don't want to watch the conclusion of an ugly game.  Especially if Dallas is playing.

by kindablue on Dec 30, 2007 3:03 PM CST up reply actions  

The Good News

Is the Saints don't have any timeouts left, so hopefully the Bears can pound out a few first downs and keep the clock running and get this game over with.

by kindablue on Dec 30, 2007 3:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Saints Are Driving

But only 13 seconds left.  We'll get to see the whole Dallas game.

by kindablue on Dec 30, 2007 3:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Cleveland's Hopes Are Still Alive

Although beating SF at home was never in serious doubt.  Now they have to root for a disinterested Indianapolis team to beat the Titans.

Let's root for Tennessee, that will actually affect the draft order.

by kindablue on Dec 30, 2007 3:10 PM CST reply actions  

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