Miles Austin as CB?
by sprprsnmn on Jan 15, 2008 5:36 PM CST
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What would you guys think of converting Miles Austin to a cornerback? He obviously has hands of stone, but that shouldn't be a problem for a CB, who just needs to break up passes. Isn't that what a CB is, anyway, a WR that can't catch. If they could catch and run routes, they'd be wideouts and not corners.
He even could still return kicks for us, like TNewman used to do.
Anything to get Jaques "the human target" Reeves off the field.
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I'd rather just draft a guy or two
or sign them in free agency who already play CB.
by Dave Halprin on Jan 15, 2008 5:43 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I agree Grizz... I'd let Austin go....
Hopefully WR will be taken care of in FA and not the draft. Two CB's in the draft, and a mega CB signing in FA. IMO, there is no room for Miles Austin on this team. He will not make the team next year.
by BoyzRback07 on Jan 15, 2008 5:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
disagree there
He will be on this team. He is the best kickoff returner on the team and a very good special teamer. He has tremendous talent and speed to play the position and only getting better. He is not going anywhere. He just has too much pure talent to let go. Stanbach will be gone before Austin believe me.
by Cowboys81 on Jan 15, 2008 6:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
that austin will be back.Hell he's the only one we have that has a hint of speed to him.Also he'd have been one of the league leaders in KO returns if he could juke a kicker or two...LOL
He obviously had a bad game in washington BUT:
He obviously has hands of stone
I think is unwarranted
Has everyone forgotten the KO return in seattle in the WC game last year that kept us in the game?
Remember that detroit started kicking away from austin in this years game.Don't discount how many big returns he has for us to set the offense up in good field position.
As a CB.....NO,we need a real one
as a reciever and ST player...He'll be here next year or maybe we can draft another skyler green to replace him(sarcasm)
by TrueBlue24 on Jan 15, 2008 6:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If Felix Jones is drafted...
His chances of making the roster will be weak...and if we draft a WR or pick one up in free agency...then what ? you guys are overly estimating his ability. He just barely made the team this year..He is our 6th or 7th receiver on the depth charts....you think we'll bring in a receiver via draft or FA that is worse than him next year ?...I don't think so.
by BoyzRback07 on Jan 15, 2008 10:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
lets count
TO
Crayton
Hurd
Austin
"6th or 7th receiver "
I don't think so
but I agree we go after a CB in FA we do not want a Rookie starting
CB Florence
plus I like Bryant at WR in FA
by Arkcowboys on Jan 15, 2008 11:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And you know this because Terry says so ??? LOL
by Arkcowboys on Jan 16, 2008 12:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I know this cuz I've seen him play
and he sucks
by Burt D on Jan 16, 2008 12:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
prolly not
but we can draft a corner who is better than both.
by Burt D on Jan 16, 2008 12:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you know I never watched him play
but he's one we could afford
Marcus Trufant, UFA, Seattle Seahawks - made money with his play in the playoff
Asante Samuel, UFA, New England Patriots - want mad money
I saying is that he knows Wades ways maybe that puts him a Dallas UNI - plus he won't cost us an arm and a leg
Randall Gay UFA New England Patriots
just don't know enuf about him
but puttin a rookie out there is dangerous
by Arkcowboys on Jan 16, 2008 1:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think we need to sign a FA
we just need a third corner, and that is the perfect opportunity to develop a first rounder.
by Burt D on Jan 16, 2008 8:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
disagree
we need a good solid veteran with experience that we can count on. Not a rookie that is going to make a ton of mistakes.
by Cowboys81 on Jan 16, 2008 9:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agree with 81
Our Defense are some solid DBs away from being one of the NFL's Elite Ds.
One solid vet (like maybe Trufant) AND a CB with one of our two first rounders.
That's my wish.
by kcbrett5 on Jan 16, 2008 10:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Florence is alot
better than Reeves and would be ideal under Wade since he coached him.
by Cowboys81 on Jan 16, 2008 9:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Florence is not an upgrade at CB..
2008 projected WR Depth Chart-
1)TO
2)Free Agent/Trade- Bryant Johnson/Roy Williams/Chad Johnson/Baskett/Berrian
3)Crayton--better step up
4)Hurd-last chance to unseed Crayton
5)Stanback-will be fully healthy
6)ROOKIE WR Drafted before round 4
7)Austin-may have to fend off FA/undrafted rookies to retain a spot.
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If all the stars, moons, and planets are alligned correctly, we will draft Felix Jones..who will take over kick off return duties from Austin.
by BoyzRback07 on Jan 16, 2008 9:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Draft a guy
so you don't have to spend time teaching him the nuances of the position.
I would like to sign Asante Samuel.
by Philosopher on Jan 15, 2008 5:52 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
not many 6'3 CB's out there
for good reason. Maybe Safety.
by Burt D on Jan 15, 2008 5:52 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
no room at safety either...
Patrick Watkins, Courtney Brown, and hopefully Anthony Henry, will be fighting for starting FS position...
by BoyzRback07 on Jan 15, 2008 5:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
remember there
is going to be a void at WR because Glenn will not be back.
by Cowboys81 on Jan 15, 2008 6:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nah
This team has plenty of depth at WR. They lack the players who are ready to step in, though, and that's where a Berrian or Roy Williams could fit in.
by Or Moyal on Jan 15, 2008 6:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
thats what I mean
people are worried that we wont have a spot available because of the anticpation of a FA WR signing or a first round pick. Glenn will be gone so carrying 5 WR's again will not be a problem. Drafting Stanback was a big mistake and I can see this kid being cut next training camp.
by Cowboys81 on Jan 15, 2008 7:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Stanback will be our #1 WR someday
will probably turn out to be one of our best picks ever.
by Terry on Jan 15, 2008 9:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I totally agree Terry....
And that's something i seldom do...lol..
This upcoming year Stanback will be completely healthy, and will have gained much experience working with Ray Sherman and being tutored by some of the best WR's in the game....just on tapes that i've seen of him I already can tell he will turn out to be a gem...He will be one of the top 4 receivers on our team next year. I do not want us using a top 3 rounds draft pick on another mediocre WR to wallow in the latter depths of our WR corp.
Either sign a FA or trade for a top notch WR, or wait till the following year to grab a WR.
If we can't find someone to come in immediately start across from TO next year....why bother ? we are not looking to add depth at the position...We are looking for a starter..and no...Crayton is not a #2 WR....never will be.
by BoyzRback07 on Jan 15, 2008 10:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, he has special skills
by Terry on Jan 15, 2008 10:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he does I have not scene any
he will rot on the bench
by Arkcowboys on Jan 15, 2008 11:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
scene?? I think you mean seen
you haven't seen a lot of things ark, keep that in mind.
by Terry on Jan 16, 2008 7:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
oh ok LOL
Tony Romo going to take us to the SB
by Arkcowboys on Jan 15, 2008 11:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Do you know who is not going to take us to the
Superbowl Ark?
by Burt D on Jan 15, 2008 11:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I bet DAMC would before StanPicker
by Arkcowboys on Jan 15, 2008 11:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I bet if we had him Sunday
We would have won they game - that run 30 yd run by Barber would have been a TD by Dmac
by Arkcowboys on Jan 15, 2008 11:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If we had him sunday
instead of Barber knocking Antonio Pierce on his arse, Pierce would have snapped McFadden's delicate frame in two.
by Burt D on Jan 16, 2008 12:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
doubtful
you forget the Dmac once played Saftey - he knows how to hit people
by Arkcowboys on Jan 16, 2008 12:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If it was in the open field...
...Pierce would've been suckin' wind and the dust from the cloud D-Mac would've left behind.
by kcbrett5 on Jan 16, 2008 11:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
niether is T Rome with out decent O line
that can run block or pass block for 60 minutes
by Arkcowboys on Jan 15, 2008 11:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
heres my draft right now
1a CB Reggie Smith OK
1b RB Felix Jones 6 #200
RB Kevin Smith 6-1 #210
RB Rashard Mendenhall 5-11 #215
2 CB Dwight Lowery – 6- 1 #190 San Jose St
CB Terrell Thomas 6-1 #200
CB USC Charles Godfrey 6-1 #210 Iowa
3 WR Steve Johnson 6-3 #200 Kentucky
WR Lavelle Hawkins 6-2 #190 Cal
WR Adrian Arrington 6-3 #200 Mich
WR Marcus Henry 6–4 #210 Kansas
4 FB Peyton Hillis 6 -2 #240 Ark
5 . OG Mike Fladell Rutgers 6-8 #325
OG Chris McDuffle 6-5 #330 Clemson
OG Robert Felton 6-4 #320 Ark
- DT Nick Hayden 6-5 #300 Wis
DE Lawrenace Jackson 6-5 #270 USC
7 QB Paul Smith 6-2 #200 Tulsa
FS Joe Fields Syracuse 6-1 # 210
FS David Roach 6-2 #215 TCU
by Arkcowboys on Jan 16, 2008 12:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hillis? lol
by slash on Jan 16, 2008 1:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hillis can clear a path for a TB...
... that's for d___ sure!!!
by kcbrett5 on Jan 16, 2008 11:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
absolutely, you can take it to the bank
by Terry on Jan 16, 2008 7:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Some day he will. #9 will only get better!
by kcbrett5 on Jan 16, 2008 11:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How can you say that?
I certainly can't agree with any thought of Stanback being a #1 someday. Even the best scenario would be a Randle El and he's not even a #1 WR.
Nothing against Stanback, but I haven't seen enough yet. He's got great size and speed, but he still has a mountain to climb. Stanback is also one of the reasons that we need Ray Sherman to stay right where he is....and that's as our WR coach.
by Fargo Cowboys on Jan 16, 2008 8:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
thats not true
you can't compare Stanback to Randle El, 2 completely different type of receivers.
I'm not saying he doesn't have a ways to go, but so did Romo when I predicted he would become great someday.
by Terry on Jan 16, 2008 8:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Please name another QB converted to WR...
...that settled in as a true #1 WR.
I'm not saying that it can't happen, but it's very unlikely. I hope I'm wrong, and I like Stanback, but I'm skeptical that he can ever be one of the top WR's in the league (which is what I would expect from a #1 on a Super Bowl caliber team).
Not comparing the styles of Randle El and Stanback...just comparing the transition. Randle El in my mind, is one of the best (and quickest) transitions in recent history to a solid #2 WR after playing college QB.
by Fargo Cowboys on Jan 16, 2008 8:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You're right Fargo
It is very unlikely. Stanback has the potential to be a contributor, and maybe do some special things down the road. But I don't think he'll be a number one. Maybe if I predict this right I can come back later and tell everybody about it to show how smart I am!
by Dave Halprin on Jan 16, 2008 8:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Antwan Randal El is also pretty short
5'10 and Stanback is 6'2.5.
by Burt D on Jan 16, 2008 8:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Again..
Not comparing the players, but the successful transition from collge QB to WR.
Ronald Curry, Brad Smith, Reggie McNeal, Drew Bennett, Randle El....am I missing anyone? I don't see any #1 Wr's on this list....just saying tall or short, big or small, the odds are stacked up against Stanback.
by Fargo Cowboys on Jan 16, 2008 9:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Matt Jones
by Dave Halprin on Jan 16, 2008 9:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Its unlikely he'll be a number 1
But considering what Crayton has become and Stanback has better size and speed, I think there is a good shot he'll become a very good number 2.
by Burt D on Jan 16, 2008 9:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Durability?
If size and speed were everything, all the WR's would be 6'4" and run 4.4 40's.
I think at this point in his (Stanback) career, one would really have to question his durability.
There are all-american WR's taken in the first 10 picks of the NFL draft that can't make the transition, so to project Stanback as a #1 or #2 WR at this stage of his career is simply without merit.
by Fargo Cowboys on Jan 16, 2008 9:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
All WR's aren't 6'4 and don't run a 4.4
because that is an extremely small segment of the population. Go back to the '07 draft and find me the number of people who are 6'2 or taller and run under a 4.4 in the 40.
Secondly like I said it isn't a longshot especially considering Stanback came to the University of Washington as a WR prospect, but he convinced his coaches to let him play QB. And look what we did with Crayton and he doesn't have the size or speed of Stanback.
I just think there is a very good chance he'll be at least a number two one day.
And just because he had one injury doesn't mean he has bad durability.
by Burt D on Jan 16, 2008 9:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
More than you think...
There are more than you think. All you have to do is watch the WR's at the combine to see all these great athletes.
Stanback had a major foot injury in college and then suffered a shoulder injury this year. Although I will say that the shoulder surgery this year was minor compared to the foot injury and that Stanback was forced to the IR because of the numbers game with the roster.
I don't have a problem with your assessment that he could develop into a nice #2. I certainly hope that you are right. Most of my concern is that we need to be patient with Stanback and not pass on a WR in this years draft because we feel he's going to be a future #1 ro #2 in this league.
by Fargo Cowboys on Jan 16, 2008 10:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No its not more than I think
Go down this list and find me five other players that are at least 6-2 and can run the 40 under 4.4.
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings...
There may be three and two of them were first round picks and all three of them were first day picks.
by Burt D on Jan 16, 2008 11:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wasn't Hines Ward a QB as a fr @ UGA?
And I think he converted to WR during the seasons after his first.
by kcbrett5 on Jan 16, 2008 11:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you're right silverblue, good call
by Terry on Jan 16, 2008 1:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Boldin was a QB in college wasn't he?
by huslinone on Jan 16, 2008 5:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Anquan Boldin?
Just saying, he was a QB.
by grapejoos on Jan 16, 2008 10:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Good call...
...Boldin was never really an accomplished college QB (due mostly to off the field issues), but there is a great example of a player that came in with limited experience as a WR, made the transition in training camp and is now one of the best in the league.
That would certainly be the ceiling for Stanback, and we can only hope and pray that he can develop into the player Boldin has become.
by Fargo Cowboys on Jan 16, 2008 10:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Stanback is faster than Boldin
and slightly taller
by Burt D on Jan 16, 2008 11:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I believe Boldin was a QB in HS, Grape.
by kcbrett5 on Jan 16, 2008 11:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I stand corrected. My bust. He did QB @ FSU!
Sorry Grape...
by kcbrett5 on Jan 16, 2008 11:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
okay, Fargo how bout Hines Ward
is one of the best WRs in the league, SB MVP and Steelers #1 WR.
Not to mention Stanback's physical skills are much better than Ward's, has much more talent.
by Terry on Jan 16, 2008 1:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ward and Boldin...
...are great examples and certainly #1 WR's...but for every Hines Ward there is a David Schockley.
We all know that Stanback has the athleticism, but so does Reggie McNeal (6'3", 4.31 - 40). Is there a player out there that has the heart of Hines Ward? or the unbelievable strength of Anquan Boldin?
What I've contested is that the probability of Stanback developing into one of the leagues top WR's is very low. While I certainly hope that he can, I would not count on it and my point is that we still need to look at addressing the WR position on the first day of the draft and not pass on the position because of Stanback's athletic ability and promise.
The other issue with a player like Stanback is that it can take 2-4 years to develop him at a new position and then you have the issue of him becomeing a RFA and ultimately a UFA before you have to try and determine his ceiling for potential and long-term value when competing against other teams that might have a greater need for WR or more cap space.
by Fargo Cowboys on Jan 16, 2008 1:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you that
Stanback becoming a great #1 WR is not a sure thing. I only predict it because I think his athletic ability, character, and willingness to learn are off the charts.
Romo as undrafted FA QB had really long odds in becoming a franchise QB, but it happened.
But you're right, if you see a great prospect in the draft, you have to look at him, but I think Stanback will be a player in this league, I wouldn't discount him just because he was a QB in college.
by Terry on Jan 16, 2008 1:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
As exciting as the prospects are for Stanback...
... the '08 training camp will be the first step towards seeing what type of damage he could do on da field.
But for now, we're still in "wait and see" mode.
by kcbrett5 on Jan 16, 2008 11:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Good to see more people coming round to Berrian
by goodjobtimmyheresabluestar on Jan 15, 2008 9:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Anything to gain?
Does anyone watch the Bears play? Berrian is very fast, but he struggles with press coverage and his hands are below average. Cowboy fans should remember him dropping a sure TD in our SNF game against the Bears.
You would be better off signing the Vikings Troy Williamson for much less money and see if Ray Sherman can work some magic.
by Fargo Cowboys on Jan 16, 2008 8:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Can't hurt
He has pretty bad hands, and he's probably already better than what Reeves could do out there...
by Longhorn on Jan 15, 2008 9:10 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
don't give up on Austin yet as WR
I think he'll be a very good #3 or #4 for us, and a great ST player. He has value, but not as a DB, that would just be a waste of time.
by Terry on Jan 15, 2008 9:29 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
well...no
no... miles austin is speed... and nothing else... id cut him, even on kick of returns, has he made a move on one of them? i honestly thin he can only run straight.
by meangreagle on Jan 16, 2008 1:20 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Just like Williams...
He's just like that Williams kid that we had on the roster a few years ago. We were enamored with his rare combination of size and speed, but after 3 years of development, he wasn't a consistent performer at the WR position.
I agree that he's effective enough on special teams that he can make the roster, but I don't see Wade keeping 6 WR's ever year, so if we draft just one WR and Glenn is gone, Austin could still be history if our rookie WR can return kicks.
As far as the CB idea goes, that's never going to happen. Austin is a long strider and any scout can see that he would never convert to a corner.
by Fargo Cowboys on Jan 16, 2008 8:13 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Hines Ward
Was a QB at Georgia and is now one of the best receivers in the league. Now, not saying that will happen to Stanback, but give him time. I'm also not saying we shouldnt draft a receiver. We should. Glenn won't be back, and we need a guy to be our number 3/4 along with Stanback behind Crayton and Owens, and best case scenario, becomes a starter in a year and puts Crayton and Stanback as our 3 and 4. Then, when TO turns 37 two years after that, we still have 3 experiences receivers, and hopefully another young guy. Obviousely Hurd or Austin would have to be cut after training camp, proably keeping whichever is better on special teams (Austin) and having our Receiving Corps look like this:
1.TO
2.Crayton
3.Rookie/Stanback
4.Stanback/Rookie
5.Austin/Hurd
Not too bad.
by CTBoy on Jan 16, 2008 11:08 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Anybody remember a guy named Drew Pearson?
Drew played QB and receiver at Tulsa and he turned into a pretty good NFL receiver.
by BulletBob on Jan 16, 2008 4:07 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
how could I forget him???
He was one of my all time favorite players, should be in the HOF IMO.
Talk about a money, clutch receiver, there was non better than the "original" 88.
Great job Bob.
by Terry on Jan 16, 2008 4:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
My favorite Cowboy of all time.Drew Pearson.
by BoyzRback07 on Jan 16, 2008 9:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
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