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PacMan Jones: "I want to go to Dallas"

Per an article in the Tennessean...

Coach Jeff Fisher on Friday said the Titans still haven't decided on the future of suspended cornerback Pacman Jones. Jones apparently isn't going to be upset if he's not back in Tennessee. Appearing in a video shot by rollingout.com, Jones responds to a question about where he will be in 2-3 years. "Hopefully 2 Pro Bowls. Hopefully I can get out of Tennessee. I want to go to Dallas," Jones said. "So we'll see how it goes and I am just going to keep my head up.'' It's unclear when the video was shot, though it's believed it was filmed several months ago and was just posted on the site.

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Ugh... I know we need help in the secondary, but... Jerry, just practice some self-restraint here, please?

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I'm sure he does want to come to Dallas

He knows he has no chance whatsoever on any other playoff team.

We definitely need help in the secondary, but we're not that desperate. We've got an extra 1st round draft pick for a reason.

Wait, he stayed out of a strip club long enough to do a video interview?

There are two Adrian Petersons, but there is only one Marion Barber.

by Nelson on Jan 19, 2008 11:15 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

with Phillips as HC, any thug would want to

play here because he knows Wade doesn't run a very strict or displined team. The players disipline themselves and we're lucky that character has been one of the traits Parcells always wanted when drafting players. So fortunately, we have players who are good guys and don't need a strict, disiplinary coach, which is why Wade was a good fit here.

So a thug like PacMan sees this team where he can come in and still be a thug and there won't be any consequences of his actions, at least by the coaches.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jan 19, 2008 11:23 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't know whether Phillips

is as soft as he is portrayed. What I do know is that Jerry the businessman is not going to let the franchise lose the luster it's built up again by returning to the "character be damned" days of Johnson and Switzer. He's not bringing in Jones.

by dunkman on Jan 19, 2008 11:26 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'd rather see

Reeves burned five times a game than to bring in Jones. He's not a guy who made a mistake or two but is now on his way to the straight and narrow. He is an unapologetic thug on his way to a prison term somewhere, some time.

by dunkman on Jan 19, 2008 11:24 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hmmmm -- no & no...

Hey Dunk, I can understand your point, but if there was an option "C - None of the Above," that would be my answer.

I, too, don't want the unremorseful/unwilling to change Pacman, but I do not want to see Reeves on the field on "D" during a real game unless we're killin' a team by like 28 pts with about six minutes to go, and he's in there with our bottom-level subs.

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by kcbrett5 on Jan 19, 2008 12:29 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Good

come on down pacman. and calling him a thug is just ignorant.

by Longhorn on Jan 19, 2008 11:37 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah, thug is just too nice, so what would you

call a guy that likes to beat up women??

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jan 19, 2008 11:42 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thug is too nice a term for Pacman!!!

Legal troubles

On July 13, 2005 Jones was arrested on charges of assault and felony vandalism stemming from a nightclub altercation. On September 5, 2005 Jones was a guest at the annual Nashville Sports Council Kickoff Luncheon. After a loud verbal tantrum when he was told to wait in line for his vehicle later that evening, Jones was counseled by the police. He also refused to pay for any valet services used that evening, because he didn't have money at the time. On October 2005, in a petition filed by the State of West Virginia, it was alleged that Jones had not made regular and sufficient contact with his probation officer and that he did not report his July arrest in Nashville in a timely fashion. The court ordered the probation extended for a period of 90 days, although the state requested it to be extended one year.

On August 25, 2006, Jones was arrested in Murfreesboro, Tennessee for disorderly conduct and public intoxication after claiming that a woman stole his wallet. She claimed that she did not steal anything and Jones spat on her. Police officers said they ordered Jones to leave several times, but he refused, continuing to shout profanities at the woman. A judge granted him six months probation on the conditions that he stays out of further trouble and away from the nightclub.[19] On October 26, 2006. Jones was cited for misdemeanor assault for allegedly spitting in the face of a female student from Tennessee State University during a private party at Club Mystic, a Nashville nightclub. He was suspended by the Titans for one game and was scheduled to be booked on the charge on November 17, 2006.

Jones also is set to appear in a Fayetteville, Georgia court in 2007 for his February 2006 incident on subpoenas for felony and misdemeanor obstruction of justice charges for an incident outside a home. The charges of marijuana possession in the same state were dismissed.[20]

On June 18, 2007 Jones was sought by police for questioning after a shooting at an Atlanta strip club allegedly involving members of his entourage. According to police at the scene, Jones was not present during the shooting, and is not being charged.[21]

On May 7, 2007, Jones was stopped at 12:45 a.m. on Interstate 65 heading into downtown after an officer clocked him on radar at 79 mph in a 55 mph zone. Jones was driving his red 2004 Cadillac XLT he bought at police auction last fall. Police seized the Cadillac last spring in a drug bust. The car was not registered to Jones then, but he told a local TV reporter he had loaned the Cadillac to someone for a music video. Police called the man who had the car the main target of their investigation.

Las Vegas shooting case
On the morning of February 19, 2007 during the 2007 NBA All-Star Game weekend in Las Vegas, Jones is alleged to have been involved in an altercation with an exotic dancer at a local strip club. Jones and American rap artist Nelly patronized the club on the evening in question. Nelly began to shower the stage with hundreds of one-dollar bills, an act known as "making it rain." Jones then joined Nelly by throwing his own money for "visual effect." Club promoter Chris Mitchell then directed his dancers to collect the money. According to the club's co-owner, Jones became enraged when one of the dancers began taking the money without his permission. He allegedly grabbed her by her hair and slammed her head on the stage. A security guard intervened and scuffled with members of Jones' entourage of half a dozen people. Jones then allegedly threatened the guard's life.[22] During this time Mitchell and a male associate left the club with a garbage bag filled with $81,020 of Jones' money and two Breitling watches, which police later recovered.[23]

After club patrons exited following the original confrontation, the club owner says a person in Jones' entourage returned with a gun and fired into a crowd, hitting three people, including the security guard involved in the earlier skirmish. The guard was shot twice, and one of the people hit, former professional wrestler Tommy Urbanski, was paralyzed from the waist down. Jones maintains that he did not know the shooter, although the club's owner insists that Jones did. On March 26, 2007 the Las Vegas Police recommended to the city's district attorney that Jones be charged with one count of felony coercion and also a misdemeanor count of battery and a misdemeanor count of threat to life.[24]

More trouble followed Jones after the altercation, when drug dealer Darryl Moore reported to the police after being busted during a deal about his phone conversations with Jones. "We gotta slow down, man. We gotta get him focused on football, man. He's focused on too much other s*^t," Moore is alleged to have said. Wiretapped phone conversations between Moore and his friends revealed Moore talking about how Jones bet on college games to earn quick money. "You know, I was talkin' to him the other day about smokin', and he was like 'man, if I didn't smoke I couldn't take all the stress that I'm dealing with right now,'" Moore said.[25] Jones has not been connected to the Moore drug arrests or convicted for the Vegas stripper incident. But Titans management have said they will talk to Jones about his future with the Titans, and that there is always a possibility of letting him go. The NFL has issued an investigation into the situation, which is looking into setting up stricter penalties for off-field conduct.[26]

On June 20, 2007, the Las Vegas Police and Clark County District Attorney's office announced that Jones would face two felony charges stemming from the strip club melee.[27] But on November 13th, 2007, Jones accepted a plea deal[28]; on Dec. 6, Jones pleaded no contest to one charge of conspiracy to commit disorderly conduct, a misdemeanour. He was given a suspended prison sentence of a one-year, probation, and ordered to perform 200 hours of community service.[29]

On June 25, 2007, Tommy Urbanski and his wife Kathy sued Jones in civil court, claiming that Jones had bitten his left ankle, and was responsible for the shooting.[30]. The lawsuit also named the Tennessee Titans franchise and the NFL as defendants, on the grounds that Jones's employers knew of his erratic behavior prior to the Minxx incident but did not suspend him until afterwards. Had the Titans suspended Jones prior to the NBA All-Star game, the suit argues, he would not have been invited to the Las Vegas events, and the incident would not have taken place.[31]

[edit] Jones' Legal troubles & The NFL
On April 3, 2007 Jones met with NFL commissioner Roger Goodell to discuss his future and the future of Cincinnati Bengals' receiver Chris Henry.

On April 10, 2007 the NFL announced that Jones would be suspended for the entire 2007 season, a suspension not assessed a player in 44 years (for reasons other than substance abuse) since Paul Hornung and Alex Karras were each suspended for one season for gambling. This suspension also stated that Jones will not receive pay during this suspension and that it is subject to additional review after the tenth regular season game, pending disposition of pending charges. His suspension also comes with a stern warning that future misconduct may result in the end of his career with the NFL.

On August 13, 2007, regarding the February Las Vegas strip club incident, Jones told Bryant Gumbel of HBO Sports' Real Sports with Bryant Gumbel that he was innocent and had never hit the stripper or told anyone he was going to kill them. When asked about friend and convicted drug dealer Darryl Moore, Jones said that he didn't know Moore was a drug dealer and felt surprised and betrayed. Jones also said he didn't think he got a fair say in his April meeting with NFL commissioner Roger Goodell.[34]

On January 15, 2008, Jones was accused of hitting a woman in a strip clup in Atlanta, Georgia on the morning of January 3, 2008. The woman, Wanda S. Jackson, was seeking an arrest warrant.[36] However, on January 16, Jackson withdrew the warrant.

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Prioner number 18274 sounds better than thug for this idiot, because if you or I had a record like this guy, we'd certainy be serving time somewhere!!!

Trade up a few spots to get ahead of Houston and draft Jonathan Stewart, thee best all around Back in the draft.

by Deke on Jan 19, 2008 3:09 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Does this look like a guy trying to change?

Repeated law violations -- so many in just the last year -- and no visual evidence of being remorseful or repentant.

No thanks.  Like I mentioned before.  Sign a FA corner and draft one... or draft two CBs within the first three picks.

The Dallas Cowboys do not need the headache of Adam "Pacman" Jones.

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by kcbrett5 on Jan 19, 2008 6:38 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ah, the offseason

where no idea is too crazy. Good times.

Pac-Man, on the field, could really solve a couple of questionable spots for us, corner and return guy. His talent is unmistakable.

But I don't think Jerry would pull the trigger on this. Unless...they were practically giving him away, then Jerry could be tempted.

The problem is this: if you're in the middle of a season and you're depending on Pac-Man and have built the secondary and return game around him being there, and then he does something, you're screwed. Any infraction and Goodell will suspend him, and the odds of it happening going by past behavior are significant. It's not that Pac-Man is some kind of menace to society, but even one minor slip up and he's not in the line up anymore. Very risky.

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by Dave Halprin (Grizz) on Jan 19, 2008 11:39 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

People are

fooling themselves if they don't think Jerry would take a risk on him.

He has taken risk on TO, Tank and others through his time as owner and GM of this team so why not Pacman?

They could structure his contract much like TO's or give him veteran minimum like Tank. After the bad taste Jerry just had he will do anything to improve this team and that means taking a risk on a player like this. The expectations of this team were the highest in more than a decade and we fell short. In Jerry's mind this was one of the worst losses of his time as owner of the team. There is going to be at least one or two big signings this off season. Either by trade or through the draft. I also expect some starters on defense losing their jobs.

It could be "very risky" but the reward would be such that I think Jerry would do it. I'm all for it if the contract is structured where it wouldn't cost the organization much if Pacman was cut or suspended.

The Beast of the East is back!!!!

by Cowboys81 on Jan 19, 2008 12:14 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

T.O. didn't have a police record

Pac Man does.  The media hypes up T.O. as a bad person when he really isn't.

Did Jerry take a chance on Randy Moss?  Jerry would never in a million years sign Pac Man, and if Jerry did sign Pac Man I would lose a lot of respect for this team.

Burt-D

by Burt D on Jan 19, 2008 12:32 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Tank did

So did others in Cowboys past

The Beast of the East is back!!!!

by Cowboys81 on Jan 19, 2008 12:35 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

See my post below in reference to Tank

and Michael Irvin and Nate Newton did not have police records until they became Cowboys.  Jerry is a very talented individual, but he doesnt have ESP.

Burt-D

by Burt D on Jan 19, 2008 12:37 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

actually

Irvin had a police record as a kid
but it is sealed and i think his wife doesnt even know what he was in trouble for

having said that, he was drafted by Landry & Schramm not JJ

by 325424 on Jan 19, 2008 2:08 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

None of those guys are even close

to Pacman. You might as well compare Chucky Manson to Nate Newton. Have both had some legal problems? Yes. Are they the same? No, not remotely. Irvin was baseballing and hanging with strippers while the Pacster was pummeling them and having his posse shoot people.

by dunkman on Jan 20, 2008 9:21 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

With all due respect, 81...

... I know what you're saying, but in a CB/RB heavy draft and two first rounders, we always have the option of drafting two CBs -- with one of them being a return guy (the second rounder could be used to select a RB).

Dallas already has two checkered-past players to keep an eye on -- TO and Tank -- and adding a third would be very, very risky.  IMHO, the risk of drafting two CBs (with also being a return man) within the first three picks is a better risk than signing Pacman.

But then again, that's just my take on the matter.

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by kcbrett5 on Jan 19, 2008 12:41 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

what T.O. and Tank have done are in no way

comparable to Pac Man.  Pac Man is a thug.

Burt-D

by Burt D on Jan 19, 2008 12:46 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm not saying Jerry

would, but I don't think anyone would be surprised if Jerry pursued Pacman.

As far as RB/CB in this years draft, RB is the only position you mentioned that will be fairly deep, CB is not. This CB crop is very weak and with Malcolm Jenkins now staying in college it just became weaker. He was one of the best CB's projected to be in this years draft. I'm not touching any CB in this years draft until the second or third round at best.

I think our 22nd pick will be Felix Jones and our first round pick will be traded to Detroit for Roy Williams or it will be traded down into the second.

Roy Williams is far and away better than anyone we could draft at the 28th or 29th pick in the first round.

It would ensure a playmaker on this team for years to come after TO's time is done here. We could get draft a top tier WR in next years draft class depending on whether TO's contract is extended or not.

I have no doubt if the Roy Williams scenario doesn't pan out that pick will be traded down.

The Beast of the East is back!!!!

by Cowboys81 on Jan 19, 2008 1:11 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

About Roy Williams...

Few things: I bet Detroit would demand the #22 pick.

While the WR class is relatively deep (no Calvin Johnson's, but lots of Dwayne Bowes-including Sweed, Kelly, Doucet, Bowman), remember that it takes at least a year and a half to develop most WR's.  If you think, the Cowboys window is more than 3 years, then it's not a bad idea.  If you think the Cowboys window is less than 3 years, then I would pull the trigger on trading a number 1 for a gamebreaking receiver.

I worry about Roy Williams mouth though.  He has developed into more of a team player of the last year or so, but he still loves to talk.

"It was a 4-yard run taking the scenic route." -Joe Buck on Romo's Run

by GhettoBear04 on Jan 19, 2008 1:34 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Detroit would want alot more

You're talking about a first round player in Williams taken 7th overall in the first round, and you people think you're getting him for the 22nd pick in the draft, its not happening!!!

You have to start with a number one and number two draft pick to get him, and thats just a start..

Trade up a few spots to get ahead of Houston and draft Jonathan Stewart, thee best all around Back in the draft.

by Deke on Jan 19, 2008 1:51 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It wouldn't take more than

a first rounder. Roy hasn't exactly torn up the league and has been somewhat of an underachiever in Detroit. I don't care where he was drafted. It's about what have you done in the NFL lately and it's not much in his case. A first round pick might be too much for Williams. Detroit would gladly take our #1 pick for him. They were dicussing this situation on DallasCowboys.com the other day

The Beast of the East is back!!!!

by Cowboys81 on Jan 19, 2008 10:04 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Word on the street is Detroit might want a

second rounder for him.

Remember Martz left Detroit, Roy Williams has only another year on his contract and he openly said he wants to go back to Texas, and Detroit is in rebuilding mode.

Burt-D

by Burt D on Jan 19, 2008 10:12 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree

There going to lose him either way so I think they would be more than happy to get a first round pick for him this year than risk nothing at all.

The Beast of the East is back!!!!

by Cowboys81 on Jan 20, 2008 1:38 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm not sure at all

Williams is a great WR and who wouldn't want him on the ropster? But I think of him more as the TO type - play anywhere from crossing to deep. I'm not sure that he's the biggest WR need. I think after watching the Pats, you really want a smaller speed burner like the team used to have in T Glenn before the injury. So maybe like a Berrian or even Stallworth. Vertical field stretchers. They'd come cheaper and then you spend a draft choice trade or FA money on another CB.

by dunkman on Jan 20, 2008 9:26 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Crazy..

To want Stallworth or Berrian over Roy Williams.  Stallworth gets injured a lot and can be taken out of a game if you can get physical with him at the line.  He's a threat, but Moss and Welker are way beter on that team.  I go back and forth on if Berrian would be good if he were on another team.  He gets a lot of targets on the Bears, which he wouldn't get here, but he would also have a much better QB/offense around him.

Either way, neither are as good as Roy Williams.  He has size and speed.  He's not as fast as Stallworth, but neither is TO.  It's not as big a deal because they are both so good after the catch.

Besides, how fun would it be to have 2 Roy Williams on the same team?

"It was a 4-yard run taking the scenic route." -Joe Buck on Romo's Run

by GhettoBear04 on Jan 20, 2008 11:16 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I will say this...

He's probably going to be available for free (assuming he gets reinstated; he'll get cut and I'm not sure anyone else would sign him) and would probably sign for a very, very small 1 year deal.  As much as I would be opposed to bringing him in, I can see the enormous temptation of drafting a guy like McKelvin and bringing Pacman in on the very cheap side, and cutting him the first time he looks at anyone cockeyed.

I still don't think it's worth the risk though.

by grapejoos on Jan 19, 2008 12:29 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This isn't like Tank Johnson

Tank had the support of all his teammates and even Lovie Smith.  All he was guilty of was loving guns too much (this is coming from someone who wants a ban on all hand guns).

With Pac Man you have someone who was guilty of battery and is just a plain thug.  There is a difference.

Burt-D

by Burt D on Jan 19, 2008 12:35 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

In fact if Tank was in his home state of Arizona

He wouldn't be guilty of anything.  By all accounts from teammates and coaches Tank is a good person.

Burt-D

by Burt D on Jan 19, 2008 12:38 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It is interesting...

The guy is a marvelous NFL football player.  So, I would first consult with the veteran players to get their input and approval.  If they are all for it, then I would meet with Pac Man to see where his head is at, after which I may consider bringing him in under these terms:

1)No way would I give up anything in a trade to get him.  

2)No signing bonus whatsoever in the contract.  

3)Sign him to a one year contract for the veteran minimum, with a club option for a second year.  

4)Verbal understanding that says he must train at Valley Ranch the entire off-season and stay trouble free.  

5)Go about building the roster under the assumption that Pac Man will not be part of the team in 2008.

The Cowboys would then have several months before training camp to make a judgment call on the potential for Pac Man to turn his life around.  Depending on what they see, bring him to camp, but first sign of trouble, he is gone.

by Cowboy Louie on Jan 19, 2008 1:20 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Jerry, Tank, and Pac

My thoughts on the PacMan situation:

Since the late 90's, Jerry has made an effort to bring in decent to good character guys.  Passing on Moss is the biggest example, but there are others.  They could have drafted Merriman or Eric Weddle (I think that's his name, kid from last year's draft who had to leave USC for discipline problems), but didn't mess with them even though they could use safety help.  There is a difference between Jerry and the other GM's who care a lot about character.

He's willing to forgive, but not willing to be fooled.  It seems most teams fall into 2 categories.  The first is if there's any criminal history, we're not even going to touch the guy.  The second is, I don't care if coaches, teamates, and policemen tell me he's a bad apple, I just want a good player (hello Bengals and Titans).  Since the 90's, the Cowboys haven't really fallen into either category.  Jerry (smartly) realizes that being willing to forgive players if they have had either one bad incident with extenuating circumstances allows him to get players that many teams won't even look at, but does not expose him to the danger of looking at on-field talent alone.

Look at the list of players who have had question marks who have played for this team in the last 5 years:
Keyshawn Johnson
Terry Glenn
TO
Keith Davis
Chris Canty
Tank Johnson

All of those guys had character flags against them at some point, but came to Dallas and did well.  How could that be?  Part of it is a strong locker room and good leadership among coaches and captains.  But another part of it is that those players were either never as bad as the media made them out to be, or had moved past that and grown up.  Jerry investigating them helped him find if the extenuating circumstances were worth it.  Disagreement with the coach, QB, being in the wrong place at the wrong time, and having the wrong hobby are all things that are correctable.

Personally, I do not think PacMan Jones falls into this category.  He was a bad apple coming out of college.  He's been a bad apple since coming out of college.  He's been a bad apple since he's been suspended.  

However, if Jerry does the investigative work and finds/believes him to be truly remorseful, then I think Jerry has built up enough credit for us to trust him in that decision.

"It was a 4-yard run taking the scenic route." -Joe Buck on Romo's Run

by GhettoBear04 on Jan 19, 2008 1:47 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree with this

plus "Pacman" is an incredibly stupid nickname

Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey

by Seanrude on Jan 19, 2008 2:13 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Eric Weddle?

He is about as good a character as you can get.

Burt-D

by Burt D on Jan 19, 2008 8:28 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Eric Wright

is who i think he meant, Cleveland's 2nd rd pick.  He transferred from USC to UNLV after some incident

by 703Cowboys on Jan 19, 2008 9:34 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thanks!

I mixed them up all through the draft, too.

"It was a 4-yard run taking the scenic route." -Joe Buck on Romo's Run

by GhettoBear04 on Jan 20, 2008 11:16 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

More free media coverage for Jerry

I can see him wearing a Cowboys uniform.  Jerry can probably get him for next to nothing and cut ties with him if something goes wrong.

by bryangene on Jan 19, 2008 2:35 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Are you forgetting

that if we do sign him and he screws up, Sheriff Goodell will punish the team with draft picks?  It won't be a situation where we let him go.  The team will be affected by this.

Even if we put a clause in there Goodell will still punish the team.  Is that worth it?

"Out of need springs desire, and out of desire springs the energy and the will to win."

by DaveTroll on Jan 19, 2008 3:08 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Draft Pick Punishment

Is Goodell really punishing teams with revoked draft picks for the actions of their players?  I thought the draft picks lost were only when management or ownership screwed up, not players.

Boy, if you're right then no way would I sniff around Pac Man.

by Cowboy Louie on Jan 19, 2008 6:32 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

His new policy

concerning player conduct, if a team takes on someone with personal conduct issues and they get in trouble, the team gets penalized as well.  I think that was even brought up when Tank was signed too.

"Out of need springs desire, and out of desire springs the energy and the will to win."

by DaveTroll on Jan 19, 2008 6:35 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Paragraph from policy

Clubs will be subject to discipline in cases involving violations of the Personal Conduct Policy by club employees. In determining potential club discipline going forward, the commissioner will consider all relevant factors, including the history of conduct-related violations by that club’s employees and the extent to which the club’s support programs are consistent with best practices as identified and shared with the clubs. Recommended best practices include having a full-time club player development director and a full-time club security director.

LINK

"Out of need springs desire, and out of desire springs the energy and the will to win."

by DaveTroll on Jan 19, 2008 6:43 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

After strongly weighing both sides
This is the deal breaker for me.  I am not opposed to giving him a chance, especially since he immediately provides solutions to two problems on our team, but I am not willing to risk draft picks.

by goodjobtimmyheresabluestar on Jan 19, 2008 6:45 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Exactly

This is a big-time deal breaker for me too.  I am not willing to risk anything (other than bad PR) for a thug like Pac man no matter how good he is.

Dave Troll, good info!  Just another example of this being an awesome board.

by Cowboy Louie on Jan 20, 2008 9:29 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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