Detailed Salary / Bonus for 2008
by mgsmith100 on Jan 20, 2008 2:34 PM CST
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PrintUsing Rotoworld and Simssport, I complied an excel spreadsheet with the cap information. I would be very interested to see if you all have different information.
Practice squad and rookies was a guestimate. Not sure about any dead money. It does not anticipate any free agents signing (like Adams), you can put your own numbers in there.
Ferguson looks he might need to restructure and Kosier could also be a cap hit if they think they can upgrade.
I have all the numbers (committments) through 2011.
Have fun!
Salary Bonus Cap total
2008 s 2008 b 2008 b
Adams - - -
Anderso 360 27 387
Austin 445 445
Akoydale 2,500 1,000 3,500
Ball 360 360
Barber - -
Berger 360 360
Bowen 360 360
Brown 360 360
Burnett 501 365 866
Canty 380 190 570
Carpenter 2,210 170 2,380
Columbo 1,000 2,500 3,500
Crayton 1,000 1,500 2,500
Curtis 360 360
Davis K 360 360
Davis L 2,750 2,679 5,429
Ellis 3,324 3,324
Fasano 445 210 655
Ferguson 4,000 1,625 5,625
Folk 370 27 397
Free 360 106 466
Glen 1,740 400 2,140
Gurode 2,000 1,667 3,667
Hamlin - -
Hatcher 445 150 595
Henry 2,600 2,000 4,600
Hoyte 360 360
Hurd 360 360
James 3,000 790 3,790
Johnson B2,000 833 2,833
Johnson T1,000 1,000
Jones J - -
Jones N - -
Kosier 2,007 1,000 3,007
Ladouceur - -
Marten 390 190 580
Mcbriar 900 500 1,400
Mcquistan445 445
Newman 5,760 1,100 6,860
Oglesby - -
Owens 4,000 3,000 7,000
Procter - -
Ratliff 520 1,600 2,120
Reeves - -
Rogers 370 85 455
Romo 500 7,917 8,417
Spears 602 1,340 1,942
Spencer 300 1,200 1,500
Stanback 300 90 390
Thompson - -
Ware 725 2,000 2,725
Watkins 445 50 495
Williams 2,720 2,775 5,495
Witten 1,905 1,000 2,905
Practice 640 640 1,280
Dead Money?? -
Rookies 2,440 1,613 4,053
Total 56,955 45,662 102,617
Total Salary and Bonus 102,617
Cap (116mm) + carryover 119,500
Difference 16,883
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Great work sir!
I was looking for this.
- One of the things that jumps out at me is that we have a lot of $ tied up in LB's:
James 3,000 790 3,790
Akoydale 2,500 1,000 3,500
Ellis 3,324 3,324
Ware 725 2,000 2,725
Carpenter 2,210 170 2,380
Spencer 300 1,200 1,500
Burnett 501 365 866
Rogers 370 85 455
Especially the backups. I am not sure how these bonuses are structured (i.e. are they roster bonuses or accrued signing bonuses that can't be avoided)?
Maybe its worth replace Akoydale? I haven't seen enough of him, but if Burnett could step in it would be nice. It also might be time to cut Carp.. or trade him for a 5th round pick. I would rather have Hamlin than Carp and that might be the choice.
- These guys are all paid more than they are worth (all things considered) maybe we can restructure their contracts, trade them, or cut them...
Ferguson 4,000 1,625 5,625 (I would like to keep him but it may cost too much)
Williams 2,720 2,775 5,495 (Lots of cap room)
Kosier 2,007 1,000 3,007 (McQ, Gurode?)
JohnsonB 2,000 833 2,833 (again, a lot of cap here)
Spears 602 1,340 1,942 (probably wort $2mm but just barely)
- Finally these guys could give us room by restructuring their contract (or extending them for upfront cash and a lower salary)
Owens 4,000 3,000 7,000
Newman 5,760 1,100 6,860
Henry 2,600 2,000 4,600
Columbo 1,000 2,500 3,500
Ellis 3,324 3,324
Ware 725 2,000 2,725
Spears 602 1,340 1,942
Again, great work
Adoyele might be cut
I wasn't sure of his cap figure, now I am. I had said before I would like to see Carpenter replace Adoyele because I think he brings more size and speed to the position. This could be a realistic change because we need to see Carpenter play and because of Adoyele's cap number.
My predicting starting lineup for 2008:
OLB Ware
ILB Carpenter
ILB James
OLB Spencer
by Cowboys81 on Jan 20, 2008 4:15 PM CST up reply actions
Carp won't beat out Ayodele
He isn't physical enough, wouldn't be surprised if Carp is cut.
Some caveats
I posted with the best information that I have, trying to cross check the Roto World info with the Simssportnet information. It looks like the Rotoworld is more accurate, but it is lacking in some detail.
For Carpenter, Fasano, James, Marten, Newman and Stanback I used Simssport.
I could not get a good handle on Glenns contract from either website.
As far as Akindoyle's contract, his accelerated bonus would accelerate at $3mm vs. his salary. He has 3 years left on his contract. It looks like it would be a net $500K hit on the 2008 salary cap if cut in 2008.
Player Loyalty
As good as Jerry is at convincing players to come to Dallas or stay in Dallas, one of his faults is his loyalty to players and letting them play for big money when they are past their prime. One of the characteristics of well run franchises like NE or Philly is that they will cut ties with a player if they feel that player is no longer worth the value of his contract.
I see a couple of very cap friendly contracts of players that should not be back next year. One is Terry Glenn, with only $400k guaranteed. The other one is Bobby Carpenter with only $170 * 3yrs remaining or about $510k cap hit if we rid ourselves of Captain Caveman this year. Because he has a friendly cap number, we might actually be able to trade him....Maybe Parcells and Ireland will trade us a mid-round pick for him!
by Fargo Cowboys on Jan 20, 2008 3:59 PM CST reply actions
Carpenter is not
going to be traded see above. Adoyele's number is huge and Carpenter is more than capable of playing ILB. Time to see our investment play.
by Cowboys81 on Jan 20, 2008 4:18 PM CST up reply actions
another reason
is because his number is so cap friendly and we need experienced 3-4 LB's. This would be the perfect scenerio to get Carpenter in the starting lineup. I don't think Adoyele has done enough to warrant his cap figure next season.
by Cowboys81 on Jan 20, 2008 4:22 PM CST up reply actions
Haven't seen anything yet...
I would love to see Carpenter get some playing time, but he hasn't been able to get on the field and he's not even a difference-maker on special teams. IN FACT HE LOOKED DOWNRIGHT AWFUL IN PRE-SEASON AGAINST 2ND AND 3RD TEAMERS.
Adoyele has been a solid player for us and I like Brady, Burnett and Adoyle rotating in the middle.
Time to concede that Bill missed on this 1st round pick.
by Fargo Cowboys on Jan 20, 2008 4:45 PM CST up reply actions
I agree, Carp is a bust
just isn't physical enough to play ILB, more of a 4-3 OLB, doesn't fit in our scheme.
stupid statement Terry
We havent seen him play enough to make that conclusion. People don't know what they are talking about when they say idoitic statements like that.
He's not being traded. I can gurantee that. Nick Eatman just said last week that he is getting the impression Carpenter could replace Adoyele. He thinks it would be a good move. I agree. Adoyele is not that good.
by Cowboys81 on Jan 20, 2008 4:54 PM CST up reply actions
no more stupid than saying
Spencer would beat out Ellis this year.
We'll see who ends up being stupid, time will tell.
how is that stupid
Spencer is the future, Ellis is not.
Ellis has one more season here, that's it.
Spencer will be the starter sometime in 2008. Mark it down. Ellis won't be able to hold him off after a full off season of workouts. Ellis wore down the stretch and it showed.
As far a Adoyele, he is getting old. Will be 30 next season. He doesn't make plays and is not very good in coverage. It's time for an upgrade.
by Cowboys81 on Jan 20, 2008 5:09 PM CST up reply actions
Not an upgrade...
Carpenter is not an upgrade. Just because he's young and he was drafted in the first round doesn't make him an automatic upgrade over a veteran.
The kid hasn't been on the field...plain and simple...and that's with Bill or Wade running the defense. The only basis for your comments are his first round draft position and you have to be able to set that aside when you formulate an opinion on a player.
If Carpenter is soo much better than Adoyle, then why can't he get his ass on the field? Chad Greenway (Vikings) and Rocky McIntosh (Redskins) along with Carpenter were the first three LB's drafted in '06 and Carpenter is the only one not starting....or in his case playing only special teams.
by Fargo Cowboys on Jan 20, 2008 5:18 PM CST up reply actions
You assesment is off base
Your whole argument is that he is not an upgrade because he is not starting. Keep in mind the reason some players can't get on the field is, because of the incumbents salary and the other, because lack of experience.
Perfect example is Roy Williams. We can't replace him because of his salary. Were stuck. If not for his salary he would've been replaced long ago. Another example is Burnett. A former second round draft pick we can't get on the field. Many thought he was a bust. Now, after 4 years he is a solid player. Some players like Burnett need some experience, or opportunities to get on the field. Carpenter is one of them. He looks like he may get his chance now with Adoyele's cap figure and age. I Would be more in agreement to trade Adoyele and have Carpneter or Burnett start.
Again, it's a blind statement to call someone a bust when they haven't had a real opportunity to start. Is Spears a bust?? Yeah, I think so. He has had 4 years of starting to prove he is not. Is Julius Jones a bust, yes because he has had ample time to prove otherwise. Get the point?
by Cowboys81 on Jan 20, 2008 5:34 PM CST up reply actions
Sure Terry..lol
Roy Williams? LMAO!
by Cowboys81 on Jan 20, 2008 5:43 PM CST up reply actions
Like Julius Jones?
by Burt D @ Blogging The Boys on Jan 20, 2008 10:10 PM CST up reply actions
Opportunities have been there..
Greg Ellis ruptures is achilles and we have so much confidence in Bobby Carpenter being able to step-in that we draft Anthony Spencer in the first round.
That and the fact that we have permanently moved Carpenter to ILB allows me to "read the writing on the wall".
I follow the Big Ten fairly closely because of where I live and I felt that Carpenter was a "reach" when we took him 18th overall in '06 and he's pretty much been a bust in my mind.
I guess we didn't need Antonio Cromartie, who was taken by SD with the very next pick. It's too bad that Cromartie wasn't from Jersey, or had a father that played in the NFL or was Italian because Bill probably would have then drafted him instead of Carpenter.
Lets face it, the only reason that Bill took Carpenter was because his father played for him. Almost every major scouting publication had him rated as a very late first rounder or early second rounder.
by Fargo Cowboys on Jan 20, 2008 5:52 PM CST up reply actions
Carpenter is a ILB Not OLB
I know we drafted him to be a OLB, but the fact is he is a ILB. He has the speed and size to be an effective ILB.
Like I said it's not like Adoyele is tearing it up or making us think he is that much better than the next guy. He is expendable the reason being he will be moved in the near future. He is getting a little long in the tooth for a ILB. Remember, Adoyele was a OLB at Jacksonville before playing ILB here.
by Cowboys81 on Jan 20, 2008 6:36 PM CST up reply actions
He hasn't proven he can play either position...
We certainly drafted him to play OLB.
ILB in my opinion, is the lesser of the two evils. It takes significantly less talent it play inside and he was moved inside to hide his inadequacies.
by Fargo Cowboys on Jan 20, 2008 6:54 PM CST up reply actions
I have a hard time being critical of our front 7
I thought all our front seven starters and rotational players were spectacular all season long and I would have not problem with the same group next season.
by Fargo Cowboys on Jan 20, 2008 6:57 PM CST up reply actions
says who you?
I come to realize me and you are like vinegar and water when it comes to cowboys personnel Terry.
You have no factual proof Carpenter can't be as productive as Ayodele at ILB.
There is a very real possibilty Carpenter or Burnett could replace Ayodele because of his cap number. I'm not saying it will happen, but Adodele's cap number is growing by the year as is his age. One of these two players are going to be his replacement. It's just common sense.
On Spencer, he will be the starting OLB soon. Whether that's sometime in 2008 or when Ellis is gone, probably after the 2008 season that's certain. He is the future, Ellis is not. Well see in training camp who is the starter and who plays backup in 2008.
by Cowboys81 on Jan 21, 2008 11:29 PM CST up reply actions
Carp played hurt all year
I didn't see anyone mention this. Doesn't he have a torn quad muscle and decided to play at less than 100% all year instead of having surgery? So do we really know what he can do?
by cosbie84 on Jan 21, 2008 11:53 AM CST up reply actions
because you said the same thing in pre season
and were proven wrong and next year you'll be proven wrong..again.
He did for awhile
until Ellis starting crying about money. Wade also wanted someone with experience. Spencer has a year under is belt and will beat out Ellis.
Terry, you were dead wrong about Julius Jones. He is a BUST! The reason he wont be back. So what's your point.
Talk to me when you know something will you.
Spencer will be starting thats a fact. Ellis time is short. His contract expires next year and will be moved into a backup role before that.
by Cowboys81 on Jan 20, 2008 5:42 PM CST up reply actions
how was I wrong about Jones??
also, I knew Ellis would always be the starter, it had nothing to do with money, he's better than Spencer and thats just a fact. The only reason Spencer started for a while because Ellis wasn't ready yet.
Spencer won't start next season if Ellis is on the team and that is a fact.
You're big time wrong about this 81, big time wrong.
You used to maintain
he should get most of the carries.
by Burt D @ Blogging The Boys on Jan 20, 2008 10:12 PM CST up reply actions
no, I didn't, I maintained that JJ
should continue to start and thats because I wanted MB3 fresh for the playoffs, which is exactly how it went down. I always wanted equal carries between JJ and MB3 throughout the regular season.
Watch the tape...
All you have to do is go back and watch Carpenter in the Vikings pre-season game. After watching his dismal performance in that final pre-season game (in which he played the final 3 quarters) I was left wondering if he would even make the team.
by Fargo Cowboys on Jan 20, 2008 5:03 PM CST up reply actions
Preseason doesn't mean a thing
I could bring up a ton of players that didn't play well.
If your going to bash him for a meaningless preseason game than you better praise him in the Seattle playoff game last season, because he was one of the best players on the field in that day.
by Cowboys81 on Jan 20, 2008 5:11 PM CST up reply actions
not from the ILB position, the plays he made that
game were coming off the edge and thats my point, he's an edge player, not an ILB.
How else do you evaluate...
A player that doesn't see the field when it counts? Don't tell me pre-season means nothing. If Carpenter is treating it that way because he's a 1st rounder, then I have a real problem with his attitude.
I do agree that he played a solid game in the playoffs last year...that was by far the best game of his career. I was optimistic following that game, but the effort that was put forth in the pre-season was very very discouraging. And that was followed up with little or no playing time during the regular season, which makes you believe that the coaches never were comfortable with him. Tom Landry says you gotta see something by year 3, so this could be a make it or your gone year for Carpenter.
by Fargo Cowboys on Jan 20, 2008 5:25 PM CST up reply actions
Cowboys81
Calling people stupid and idiotic is the wrong move. Cut that crap out, personal attacks like that are not tolerated here.
by Dave Halprin on Jan 20, 2008 6:05 PM CST up reply actions
Said the statement was idiotic and stupid
not the person. There's the difference.
by Cowboys81 on Jan 20, 2008 6:41 PM CST up reply actions
No difference
I'm not kidding!
by Dave Halprin on Jan 20, 2008 6:50 PM CST up reply actions
Could go on and on....
Yeah, I could go on and on about his weaknesses.
He doesn't get off tackles.
Good size but doesn't play strong.
He doesn't change direction well.
He looks lost when he's on the field.
He might be the son of former NFL player, Robb Carpenter, but this Carpenter doesn't look like he even has a future in this league. I do agree with Terry that a change of scenery might do him some good. No reason to switch him back to OLB with Spencer in the mix and I really like Burnett coverage ability for a LB and he's versitile enough to play inside or outside.
by Fargo Cowboys on Jan 20, 2008 5:00 PM CST up reply actions
Trade possibility
The Cowboys need a playmaker at WR.
Detroit needs major help at LB and OT.
Package Caveman and one of the backup OT's for Roy E. Williams. If thats not enough, throw in Spears.
This trade should include an agreement for Roy E. to agree to a CAP friendly contract extension. I think he would do it to get out of Detroit and be paired up with TO in Dallas.
Thoughts
We need to cut ties with Fergie. His cap number is almost as large as Roy's, and we're fine at DT.
Crayton will be making closer to 3.5 million next year, if I read his new salary's terms correctly (4y, 14m).
Flo will probably cost 5 mil a year for 3 years if we choose to bring him back. Barber will get the first round tender (2.5, I believe). Glenn may not be back.
I wouldn't cut Ayodele, but if Bill's willing to part with something for him I'm all ears. Same goes for Matt Millen.
Spears is essentially valueless to us. If another team wants him, I'd praise the lord.
I fear you are wrong on Flo
To franchise an offensive lineman is $9.6mm I think.
To make him the transition player (avg of top 10 O-linemen in the league) would be more like $7mm.
Its hard to argue Flo isn't among the top 10 linemen in the league. Whether or not he deserves it he has been a pretty consistent pro bowl player (even if as an alternate).
Getting Flo for $8 x 3 years would probably be pretty lucky.
Trades
My understanding is that trades will automatically accelerate the pro-rated bonuses (that had been spread over the life of the contract). I think that means Roy will not be traded this year. If we cut him this year (2008), we would have a net cap hit of around $5.5mm.
If you cut him after June 1, 2009, half of the remaining pro-rated bonus would hit in 2009 and 2010. His net savings in 2009 would be $1.5mm and around $1.1mm.
$16mm Salary Cap - Signings?
MB - Around 3mm cap hit
Hamlin - think it will be around $4mm
Flo - I hope around $5mm
This optimistic signing amounts only leaves around $4mm. I would hope we could get along without Flo, as he tanked the next season when he got his last big raise. We also need to decide on Newman soon.
I would like to keep some in reserve for either an Assante Samuel or Michael Turner. I think they are proven and might be worth the gamble.
I think you are off
We could tender MB3 at 2.6mm
Flo will coutn closer to $8mm
Canty will be about 2.6mm
that get us to about 15mm
we still need rookies, practice squad, etc...
i think we have 41 guys under contract and need 53 by opening day and a lot more than that for camp
Has estimated rookie and practice squad
For rookies and practice squad (last couple of lines above), has an estimated 5.6mm.
ok
but with Flo at 7-8
and MB3 at 2-3
and Hamlin at 3-4
that gets us to 12-15
without re-signing Canty.
I think it would be a shame to let Canty go
I am not sure how you think you "squeeze" Samuel (prob $10mm a yr) or Turner (prob $4mm) in. Are you really Vinny Cerrato?
flo
If we cannot get Flo at a decent price, we need to move on. Flo would count as much as Owens, not sure he is worth it, especially his history of tanking after getting a fat contract.
We have drafted 3 rookies to move into that spot in the last 2 years. It is time to see what they can do or admit we made a mistake. The three draftings were for this very reason.
we had
we had one of the better offenses in the league.
i dont think we need to do anything to upgrade it (so i would be opposed to signing turner, etc)
i do think we should keep the guy protects romo's blind side.
i think free and marten are there so we can let Colombo go, not Flo
Correction R. Williams
Roy Williams salary for 2008 should have been 3720, not 2720. That means the salary cap by my reckoning is close to $15.9mm.
Mike
Second update - Marco Rivers
I had a line up above for dead money, forgot about Marco Rivera. Rivera signed a five-year, $20 million contract that includes a signing bonus of $9 million in 2005. He was cut after June, 2007. His accelerated bonus hit for 2008 would be $2.7mm. This leaves us at now around $13.1, including the Roy Williams error.
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