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Barber must be part of the deal for Dolphins 1st overall pick

Chris Mortenson reported on NFL Countdown that Jeff Ireland has said that the 1st overall pick is up for grabs. Any deal to Dallas must include MB3. So two questions, First would you give up Barber and a pick to get McFadden, and more importantly, do you think Jerry will?

I personally don't like the idea of not having any experience in our backfield. Most teams in the league rely on two backs, and since JJ is gone now, trading Barber would put a lot of weight on a rookie unless could snag a decent 2nd back in FA. Thoughts?

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Where in the world is MB3?

May 2008 by Dave Halprin - 33 comments

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No way I'd do that deal.

I'm not sold on McFadden and Barber is a proven back.  I don't think any RB should go #1 overall, they are too flaky as to their production in the pro's and we can put thos picks to better use.

by John Boy on Jan 27, 2008 11:26 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

No way would I do that

MB3 is a tough back that we need to be successful. DMac will never be able to handle 20-25 carries a game. Jerry would be a fool to to it.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jan 27, 2008 11:45 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

No

Forget about having the first overall pick. I don't want it. There isn't anyone we need so badly that we have to have the first pick. Not to mention the hit our salary cap that take on signing the first overall pick.

I would be very, very, very, very upset if we traded Barber to the Dolphins for the first overall pick to get McFadden or anyone else for that matter. That would be colossally stupid. We can find another good back to put back there with Barber.

Now, I can see maybe wheeling and dealing one of our picks to move up to the mid-teens to grab a CB, but that's about it. Nothing more.

Please, please Jerry, do not be so stupid as to chase McFadden. He isn't what we need to get to the Super Bowl. We need another shut-down corner, another safety, and another wide-out. All this is quite manageable without selling ourselves out to the Dolphins.

by Philosopher on Jan 27, 2008 11:29 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Top 10 Reasons by this will never happen....

From the home office in Fargo, ND....

  1.  I like McFadden, but I don't see him having the same impact as LT or AD (AP).
  1.  I can sign Barber to a cap friendly 4-5 year deal for $25-$30M with about $10 guaranteed.  Looking at the Russell and Calvin contracts from a year ago, it's going to take at least a 6y/$60M deal to get it done and probably $30M in guaranteed money!!
  1.  Using the draft value chart that Jimmie Johnson first developed, it would probably take both our #1's and MB3 to move up to that first spot overall...so MB3 would just be part of the deal
  1.  We are a Super Bowl contender and not desperate for a franchise saviour
  1.  Ever heard of Hershel Walker?  This would be like reversing the roles, and helping the Dolphins build their championship team.
  1.  This doesn't address the fact that we can't defend the pass!
  1.  Would Redball know how to use McFadden in his pass happy offensive scheme?  We consistently abandon the run, so what good would a $10M RB do?
  1.  With no RB depth or experience, it would be conceivable that we would have three rookie RB's on our roster under this scenario...not going to happen!
  1.  I like the combination of MB3 and Mendenhall, Stewart or Felix better than McFadden and two duds.  It's been proven time and time again that you need more than one viable option at RB to get it done in this league.
  1.  Even Jerry knows this wouldn't be a good deal and he's helped Parcells enough already!

by Fargo Cowboys on Jan 27, 2008 11:46 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I agree...and hope it doesn't happen.
True Cowboys diehard since 1975.

by BoyzRback07 on Jan 27, 2008 11:55 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Dolphins pick

No way would I give up anything to get the #1 overall pick in the draft.  Absent a rookie salary structure, the first five or so picks are unbelievably overpaid, and way too much money is guaranteed.  Under the current environment, that pick is as almost as much a liability as an asset.

Having said that, it is a colossal waste to spend a top five pick on a running back.  Picks 1-5 should be quarterbacks, cornerbacks, pass rushers and high-end wide receivers – impact positions where it is more difficult to find pro-bowl caliber players later in the draft and where the average career is substantially longer than that of a running back.

I would, however, consider trading MBIII straight up for the 32nd pick in the draft that Miami owns, then use either that pick or our own second round pick on a running back that we would have at a modest salary for the next 4-5 years.  Perhaps even wait to use our third round pick if we can sign a ‘second tier’ veteran during free agency.

I am against signing MBIII to a 5-year/$25M type contract.  Very, very few running backs are worth that money, especially if they are not the ‘feature back’ that gets substantially all the carries.  I like the committee approach to running backs.  I think Dallas can replace 85-90% of the 2007 JuJo/MBIII production with rookies and modestly priced free agents.  As long as Romo, Witten and Owens are healthy, the offense will be outstanding even with average running backs.  I would rather use the $25M to shore up the secondary.

by Cowboy Louie on Jan 27, 2008 11:54 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Nice call, Louie

RB is NOT the teams best option to improve the roster. That distinction would go to CB and RB, and you could make an argument for another safety and maybe DE.

Don't go there, Jerry. Ireland is no longer a good guy to listen to...

by dunkman on Jan 27, 2008 12:11 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Take a look around the league...

Name the NFL teams that do not have either a 1st round RB playing out a rookie contract or a RB on their roster signed to a long-term deal that averages $5M or more per year.  Here is the short list...

NFC

NY Giants (only because Jacobs was a 2nd rounder and Tiki retired)

Packers (RBBC, Jackson 2nd Rnd, and Ryan Grant will be a RFA in '09?)

Atlanta (Dunn has one year left on a deal that averages just over $4M/year

AFC

Denver (RBBC, Travis Henry deal averages just over $4M/year

Tennessee (RBBC, two #2's invested in LenDale White and Chris Henry)

Steelers (Parker is a bargain at an average of just $3.6M per season, signed in '06)

Browns (Recent news is that the Browns have offered Jamal Lewis a contract)

by Fargo Cowboys on Jan 27, 2008 1:25 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Trading up to get a rookie runningback...

...worked well a bunch of years ago when we did it for Tony Dorsett.  In fact, we won the Super Bowl when Dorsett was a rookie.

I don't know how much Miami wants.  If it was Barber and both of our firsts, we obviously can't take that trade.  If it were significantly less, though, I think we have to at least explore the option.

In reality, though, this is probably just Jerry covering all of his bases.  He talked to Detroit about trading up for Calvin Johnson, but he wasn't stupid enough to trade them DeMarcus Ware.  I don't think Jerry will make a dumb decision regarding this trade either.

by Nextyearfordaboyz on Jan 27, 2008 12:35 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

the league was different then

pre-salary cap this may have made sense
post cap it doesnt
i hope we don't resign barber long term
i hope tender him at the 1st and 3rd level and lose him
i doubt that will happen

by 325424 on Jan 27, 2008 1:45 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

There is an article on Profootball Talk

that makes a good argument on why this may happen.

'BOYS TO MAKE A DEAL WITH THE FINS?

ESPN's Chris Mortensen suggested during a special edition of Sunday NFL Countdown that Cowboys owner Jerry Jones is eyeing the possibility of swinging a trade with the Dolphins for the No. 1 overall pick in the 2008 draft.

Such a deal would allow the 'Boys to bag running back Darren McFadden, who played college football at Jones' alma mater of Arkansas.

Per Mort, any such deal would have to include the rights to Cowboys running back Marion Barber, who is slated to be a restricted free agent.  To make it happen, the Cowboys would have to work out a sign-and-trade deal before Barber gets a chance to ink an offer sheet that would force the Cowboys to match the terms or let him go in exchange for compensation.  Thus, the safest bet for the 'Boys would be to tender Barber at the highest possible level, which would force any team that signs him to give up a first-round pick and a third-round pick.  Those extra picks then could be used to sweeten the pot for the top spot in the draft.

And it's clear that the Cowboys are going to have to find a way to enhance the two first-rounders that they can offer up for the No. 1 pick.  Under the revised draft order, the Cowboys pick at No. 22 (from Cleveland) and at No. 28.  Under the trade chart, the No. 22 overall pick is worth 780 points and the No. 28 selection is worth 660 points.  The No. 1 selection has a value of 3,000 points; thus, the Cowboys would be a whopping 1,560 points short.

Though the trade chart arguably needs to be adjusted to reflect the fact that the enormous financial investment that is now required when using the top pick makes the prospects of a move up even more fraught with risk, the Fins could justify the 1,560-point gap by placing that value on Barber, who coupled with Ronnie Brown could give Miami a deadly one-two punch in the backfield.

Some readers think that the framework for a deal is already in place, and was part of the unspoken understanding that allowed the Dolphins to have their way with the Dallas front office and coaching staff.  If that's true it wouldn't surprise us.  Jones surely covets McFadden, and our guess is that he is willing to do whatever is necessary to get him.  

by cowboy78 on Jan 27, 2008 12:37 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Do I have to beg and plead

for you guys not to post full articles from other sites? Well, I'm doing it. Please, please don't do it.

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by Dave Halprin on Jan 27, 2008 1:57 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The only thing more absurd...

Than trading Barber for the number one pick would be trading him for the 32nd.

Does anyone else feel like they're in Bizarro World when the conversation turns to trading away a 24-year-old, Pro-Bowl running back who's scored 28 TDs and averaged 4.8 ypc over the last two years... for draft picks?

And what really makes my head spin is that you guys seemingly want to take these draft picks and spend them on another RB... just the thought of that is mind-boggling.

If Jerry wants the first pick, all it's going to cost him is the two late-first rounders and a linebacker, at most.  You know why?  Because no one else is dumb enough to make a better offer than that.

I think if you put two of my best seasons together it wouldn't come up with the numbers he's going to have at the end of the season. -Troy Aikman on Tony Romo

by Big D Bam Bam on Jan 27, 2008 12:46 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Infatuation with the Home Run....

...that's the only thing that I can think of.  Other than the homerun (requiring break-away speed), what is there that MB3 doesn't give the Cowboys?

Speed doesn't equal production.  If that were the case, we would be signing Tyson Thompson and JuJO and letting MB3 hit the open market.

by Fargo Cowboys on Jan 27, 2008 1:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Bizzzaro World

Bizzaro World would be when bloggers don’t like Marion Barber, think he sucks and advocate cutting him.  It isn’t that we don’t like Marion Barber.  We love him.  Our point is that running backs – with the exception of a very, very few elite players – are not impact players in today’s NFL.  Running back is not an impact position.  The NFL is a passing league.  Yes, you have to run the ball, but we feel that a combination of lower paid guys could put up a competent running game and that precious salary cap dollars and precious draft picks are better spent at other positions.  

Yes, I advocate trading MBIII for draft picks.  The reason is that I think we can replace his production with a combination of draft picks and low-dollar free agent signings and spend far, far less of our salary cap on the running back position.

by Cowboy Louie on Jan 27, 2008 6:44 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

it scares me

scary that the best thing we can say about our GM is no one else is dumber than him.

ugh.

by 325424 on Jan 27, 2008 8:20 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

if we wanted to do that......

just let Ireland sign MB3 and don't match it, then we get their 1st and 3rd round picks, and get to keep our 2 1sts as well...but im not sure i'd wanna do that either

-"There ain't no law against not wearin' any pants" ~Drunk-Cokehead on Reno 911

by slash on Jan 27, 2008 1:02 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I pray

That Mortensen is misinformed. A desperate, all-or nothing attempt to get McFadden could only hurt us in the long run.

by Or Moyal on Jan 27, 2008 1:09 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Thats why I said

never say never when it comes to Jerry Jones. He loves DMAC that much he might be willing to do it. It really depends on how bad they want him. It might cost us MB3 and our #1 to move up to the top spot. As much as I like DMAC, I wouldn't give up both #1's and MB3 for him.

The Beast of the East is back!!!!

by Cowboys81 on Jan 27, 2008 1:15 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Media Driven

I just think so much of this is media driven.

How many times a year ago did we hear about the possibility of a team trading with the Raiders, yet at the end of the day the Raiders still had the pick.

These phat rookie contracts for the top slots are making it more and more difficult to move them.  And if you keep them, you better not miss because of the financial consequences involving all the guaranteed money.

I like where are two first round picks are.  It's a deep draft and we're not mortgaging the new stadium to sign the players.

by Fargo Cowboys on Jan 27, 2008 1:35 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Hopefully,

someone is in Jerry's ear saying it is not worth it.  Don't do it!

"Out of need springs desire, and out of desire springs the energy and the will to win."

by DaveTroll on Jan 27, 2008 1:21 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I hope so too

but who would that be?

Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey

by Seanrude on Jan 28, 2008 6:52 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Run-DMC is one bad runnin' back, but...

... I wouldn't want the King giving up TOO MUCH to get him -- especially when corner is the priority right now!!!

What scares me is that with Jerry Jones not having less people around him to provide "wise counsel," the safe approach (using first three draft picks - two first rounders and one second rounder - on maybe 2 corners and 1 RB) may be bypassed by the risky wildcatter mentality (giving up the farm for Miami's #1 overall pick to land Darren McFadden).

You'd think he's been around the NFL long enough to know that deals involving one player for multiple players and/or picks usually benefit the team receiving the plural parts.  Why?  Because of the injury factor always relevant in pro football.

Don't do it, King... Don't do it, please!!!

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by kcbrett5 on Jan 27, 2008 1:23 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Dont buy into all this nonsense

Dallas isn't trading up to the first overall spot for a running back, nobody wants the first overall pick, the money isn't cost effective, especialy for a running back, thats why Miami wants out of that spot but wont be able to get out of that spot. If there was a blue chip Quarterback in this draft, then they would have some teams taking a risk to move up to get him, but there isn't in this draft, so Miami will be stuck drafting either Dorsey or Ellis.

Miami has value with their second pick in the draft, the first pick in the second round is where they can pick up some extra draft picks by trading that pick, but nobody will trade up for the first overall pick in this draft, this is a very good draft, but not alot of blue chip prospect.

If Dallas was going to move up, it should be for Jonathan Stewart, he's going to be a bigtime pro prospect.

If Dallas stays where they are in this draft, which I think they will with their first pick in the first round and if Jonathan Stewart and Desean Jackson is both gone, my money is on Dallas drafting a corner first. They will probaby trade their second pick in the first round to move down and pick up an extra pick or two.

Trade up a few spots to get ahead of Houston and draft Jonathan Stewart, thee best all around Back in the draft.

by Deke on Jan 27, 2008 1:24 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

ugh

please please please be wrong

draft picks are great b/c they get a team younger and you can sign players to below mkt contracts

having fewer draft picks and using one of them to make a guyt he highest paid back in football doesnt help

it would be a shame to spend the last 5 years getting out of salary cap hell and getting the team better then blow it over th course of a weekend.

by 325424 on Jan 27, 2008 1:55 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, U would think that most teams...

... would attempt to copycat the model set by Scott Pioli and the Patriots front office.

I loved the subject line of someone's comment that said "WWSPD."

Personally, I wish the King would pattern the Cowboys' ways after New England.

www.xanga.com/five11nation

by kcbrett5 on Jan 27, 2008 1:58 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

i love that

that is the best line ever

i may use that as my signature if i can get the authors permission

either that or:

Washington Redskins 6 Time NFL Offseason Champions

by 325424 on Jan 27, 2008 2:08 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Flattery will get you everywhere

You are welcome to use it.  The Redskins sig is pretty funny too.

by goodjobtimmyheresabluestar on Jan 27, 2008 3:52 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It was YOU, Timmy!!!
Props to U, man... well said!!!!!!!
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by kcbrett5 on Jan 28, 2008 8:48 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not moving up

to the number one overall, I'm talking around seventeen to get ahead of Houston to draft Stewart, if the Cowboys were to move up, thats where they should move up too, not in the top five or ten.

Trade up a few spots to get ahead of Houston and draft Jonathan Stewart, thee best all around Back in the draft.

by Deke on Jan 27, 2008 2:01 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Fire Stephen Jones...

If this would happen, Jerry would have to fire his son, Stephen, and hire David Copperfield to manage our salary cap.

by Fargo Cowboys on Jan 27, 2008 2:07 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

i am

laughing so loud

by 325424 on Jan 27, 2008 2:09 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

it all you sad little men that have no vision

Eric Dickerson - 6-3 #215 had like 13,000 yards

plus he spilt carries with C James at SMU

this is Jerry's team and no matter how whining you do your not making or paying for the pick

I myself would do it

I would like to keep MBIII tho

tho do you think he can start - Ala the playoff game he ran out of gas

by Arkcowboys on Jan 27, 2008 2:18 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

i dont think he ran out of gas
More like the Giants realized they could cover glenn and TO and decided to blitz all the time

by thebigham on Jan 27, 2008 2:23 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

well he did not get the job done

Dmac would have had a TD on that long MBIII run
nobody would have caught Dmac

by Arkcowboys on Jan 27, 2008 2:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

DMAC wouldnt have made it past the line

Did you see what he did in the bowl game? Me either.

by thebigham on Jan 27, 2008 2:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

So soon to forget how he dominated

The eventual national champion...

by mhuff13 on Jan 27, 2008 9:06 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

What does that matter?

Football is a team sport. Getting DMAC would kill the salary cap and get rid of any chance of getting the help in secondary and everywhere else. Having Dmac couldnt help ARK win the bowl game just like if cowboys dont use their picks to get help in the secondary they wont win a championship. Remember the colts lack of D yeah where did that get them? It wasnt until they got a leader like bob sanders did the colts win a super bowl.

by thebigham on Jan 28, 2008 6:15 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Until they got a leader like Bob Sanders?

You do realize they drafted him in 2004 right? So what happened to the years before last year? They won the Super Bowl because they realized that you can't (unless you're the Patriots I guess) throw the ball nonstop to win. They won the Super Bowl because they had balance on offense, due to Addai and Rhodes.

I'm sorry but I'd give alot to have Adrian Peterson right now. I would have broken the bank last year to get him. And I would this year for DMAC. You can't go wrong with a superstar RB, especially with a passing attack like ours.

I guess we could be like the Vikings, never spend a dime on anything and be 15-20 mil under the cap every year. Because we all know the money we don't spend this year rolls over like Cingular.

by mhuff13 on Jan 28, 2008 3:10 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree

bigham is right, the Colts won the SB last year because Sanders made their defense legit, it had nothing to do with Addai or Rhodes. Those type of backs are a dime a dozen and can be had in any draft.

Adrian Peterson would not have made our offense any better because we are a passing offense so getting DMac wouldn't make us any better either unless we put him out wide and make him a WR.

Pats and Colts prove you don't need a superstar RB to win, just good, solid RBs are all you need. What you need is a superstar QB and thankfully we have one now.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jan 28, 2008 3:19 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

What ?????????

A RB like McFadden keeps the opp. defense honest. He can take it to the house at any time.

He would take pressure off of Romo, Witten, and the receivers and teams would have to gameplan for both our running/passing game as both could beat teams.

and Romo has done what ?

lose both playoff games

by Arkcowboys on Jan 28, 2008 4:57 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh yeah i forgot

This isnt a team sport anymore. Romo lost both games by himself it wasnt TG fumbling into the endzone during seattle or it wasnt the D letting the giants score with 46seconds it wasnt a collective of things but just romo it was all romo i forgot that part.

by thebigham on Jan 28, 2008 5:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

WHAT?

Adrian Peterson would not have made our offense any better because we are a passing offense so getting DMac wouldn't make us any better either unless we put him out wide and make him a WR.

I'll be nice here..LMAO!That's just crazy talk. Your in the minority on that one Terry.

The Beast of the East is back!!!!

by Cowboys81 on Jan 28, 2008 5:41 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Why cant people see..

DMAC is not the answer plain and simple. Barber had 100 yards in the first half against a stout giants D. But no matter how many points the Offense in general can put up it wont matter when the D mainly reeves lets the giants score in 46seconds. The cowboys need to address more pressing needs such as secondary not give up all their picks for RB when they already have a decent one if not one day a great one.

by thebigham on Jan 28, 2008 3:25 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Cap

I hope I am wrong about this, and we'll know for certain soon enough, but it's not like we have a ton of cap space to play with here.  I am not sure what happens if we trade Barber in terms of a cap penalty (especially if we have to do some sort of "sign and trade" type thing), but signing DMac alone as a #1 pick would be incredibly expensive - he would likely become the highest-paid RB in the NFL without playing a down.  We then would no longer have draft picks to secure help for the secondary at reasonable rates, and we'd have a similar problem for our #2 RB.  That means we'd need to sign free agents to fill our holes, and FAs come at a high premium, especially at CB.  Plus, we have several guys on the squad that need big, new, long-term deals like Newman and Ware.  That is a lot of cap money to expend over the course of one offseason, and that's not even getting around to talking about what to do with Flo, keeping Hamlin, what to do if Owens holds out, or if Ellis starts whining again.

To make a long story short, just keeping the players we currently have and locking up Newman and Ware is going to eat up pretty much all of the cap space we have.  Those averse to trading for DMac for cap reasons have a legitimate reason to be concerned.  It's one thing to be capped out when you've won Super Bowls, but it's another thing to be capped out without winning a playoff game in forever, for the sake of having a huge offseason (hello, Redskins!)
Bottom line, we don't know the real numbers, but re-

by grapejoos on Jan 28, 2008 5:20 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think 10 to 12 mil

but there is going to be some players released and restructuring of contracts that will put us near the 20 mil mark. Don't worry about the cap were fine.

The Beast of the East is back!!!!

by Cowboys81 on Jan 28, 2008 5:43 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Phew

Well if we're fine, let's use that money to sign Asante Samuel or Jerry Asomugah and draft a RB.  Does anyone think that we'd be better off with DMac and a little left over cap space than with Barber, 2 first round picks, and Samuel/Asomugah?  I realize that's a bit of a false comparison, but you get the point.  Resources are needed in the secondary much more than RB.  If Jerry is dying for an Arkansas RB, draft Felix Jones.  

by grapejoos on Jan 28, 2008 6:49 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

And BTW

I'm still concerned about the cap until I see that we truly are fine, and that the cuts won't create any expensive holes to fill.  If we're going to be trading, let it be for a guy like Roy Williams of Detroit, not giving up Pro Bowlers for rookies.

by grapejoos on Jan 28, 2008 7:07 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

look if a regular BYB poster says the cap is fine

then the cap must be fine.  why rely on all those printed reports of cap space

by 325424 on Jan 28, 2008 7:24 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

No for Asomugah

He's going to be franchised.

by mhuff13 on Jan 28, 2008 8:43 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Samuel is going to cost more

than DMAC. Just to give you and idea, Clements signed a 8 year 80 mil dollar contract. I would pass on Samuel.

The Beast of the East is back!!!!

by Cowboys81 on Jan 28, 2008 9:09 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

We can't get a big time CB
In free agency. Newman is up for a contract after next year. Do we really want $160 million locked up in 2 players, not to mention Henry's contract. Just too much for the secondary.

by mhuff13 on Jan 29, 2008 12:01 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, I know

I suppose the sarcasm in my post above didn't really come through.  I think we are in a tight cap situation and am more concerned about signing our guys and picks than anything else.  But for what it's worth, paying Samuel or Asomugah $10m per year will make this team much more formidable than paying DMac $7+ million per year.  

by grapejoos on Jan 29, 2008 12:49 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

ug....look at it without blinders on..

First off, I'd like to say Nanmdi Asomugha is better than Terrence Newman, there is no doubt there..I believe he is the best cover corner in the entire league. IF Oakland chooses not to franchise him, I would pay 10 million a year to aquire him. I actually think it would take closer to 11-12 million per to get it done.

 I would let Newman play out his 2008 season..I would then franchise him for another year. In the year 2010 Newman will be 32-33 years old and not able to command a large, long term contract. Anthony Henry's contract will also be off the books. At that point, Asomugha will have gotten a few Pro Bowls and a SB ring or two by then, and he'll only be 28-29, in the prime of his career. The first round CB we select in this years draft will then take over for TNew, or be moved to Henry's vacant FS position. or TNew will resign at a lower, cap friendly contract...Why is this so hard to fathom ? I understand being a Cowboy fan and loyal to our own, but there is no doubt paying now for a superior CB will bring us to elite status. It would completely transform our secondary into a strength, and not a sive for mediocre QB's to expose.

True Cowboys diehard since 1975.

by BoyzRback07 on Jan 29, 2008 2:53 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

its also a lot of money to commit

to a guy with potential character issues like DMAC

by 325424 on Jan 28, 2008 7:23 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Forget it Ark

When DMAC is tearing up the league in a year or two all these doubters will have there foot in their mouths. The kid is going to be a major stud in this league for years to come.

The Beast of the East is back!!!!

by Cowboys81 on Jan 27, 2008 11:35 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

oh i know Cowboy

I will be telling Terry about it when he does - and all the rest of this little boys will be crying why didn't we pick Dmac

oh well their opinion

by Arkcowboys on Jan 27, 2008 11:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

LOL!! just like the Texans are crying

that they didn't draft Bush. DMac won't tear up the league anymore than Bush has done or will.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jan 28, 2008 7:26 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Huge difference between Bush and DMAC

Terry. Just looking at them it's clear. There not built the same. They were both used different in college. Bush a more hybrid RB and DMAC the more traditional one. For whatever reason you have a hard time telling the differnce between the two, but I'll tell you, "I told you so" when DMAC is doing what Peterson did to the league this season.

I'm not saying DMAC is worth the #1 overall pick, because he's not. He is worth a 5 to 7 pick.

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by Cowboys81 on Jan 28, 2008 3:09 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

and when DMac ends up getting hurt

all the time, I can say the same thing.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jan 28, 2008 3:20 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

are you physic ????????

how do you know this ?

What I know is that Romo has lost both playoff gasmes

A RB like McFadden keeps the opp. defense honest. He can take it to the house at any time.
He would take pressure off of Romo, Witten, and the receivers and teams would have to gameplan for both our running/passing game as both could beat teams.

by Arkcowboys on Jan 28, 2008 4:59 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

They said the same about Peterson

when he was in college. He did pretty good for his first season I would say. In fact, DMAC was a more durable RB in college than Peterson so your theory went out the window on that one.

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by Cowboys81 on Jan 28, 2008 5:45 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

how do you know this

college years
ED - 4,450 yards on 790 carries
Dmac - 4,485 on 764 carries

I say he is better considering that the players are bigger an faster today

"I like his total package – size and speed. People say guys who run upright are easier to hit, but you have to catch us first. And if you do, we’ve got enough size to give out some punishment."

Former SMU All-American and NFL star Eric Dickerson

"I can see what people are talking about when they compare him to me. He’s not a little guy trying to hide behind linemen."

Former SMU All-American and NFL star Eric Dickerson

"If you think the guy is just fast, you’re wrong. He can deliver a blow like a linebacker."

Former LSU All-American and current Washington Redskins safety LaRon Landry

by Arkcowboys on Jan 27, 2008 10:50 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Landry's Quote = Spot On.

"If you think the guy is just fast, you’re wrong. He can deliver a blow like a linebacker."

I don't see how people think McFadden isn't a physical runner... He's not AD, but he'll put a shoulder into your chest and drive through a tackler...

by N41D on Jan 27, 2008 11:31 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

because he's built like a WR

I just don't think he has the body to carry the ball 20-25 times a game as a RB in the NFL and not get busted up. JMO.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jan 28, 2008 7:28 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Thank You...

Thank you for inadvertently making my point.  Dickerson was an outstanding running back.  He is one of the best ever to put on a uniform; a hall of fame running back.

And exactly how many Super Bowls did Eric Dickerson’s teams win?

A running back cannot carry his team to a Super Bowl victory. Teams with running backs being paid low salaries win the Super Bowl all the time.  Sometimes they are great backs playing on their rookie contracts, and sometimes they are veteran running backs that are considered average.  But the point is that precious salary cap dollars are better spent elsewhere.

The NFL is now a passing league.  Offensively, the best chance of winning a Super Bowl is by having a great quarterback, a great wide receiver and a very good offensive line. Given that, the other parts, including running backs, can be pedestrian.

by Cowboy Louie on Jan 27, 2008 6:30 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

A running back cannot carry his team?

Ask Elway how he finally won a Super Bowl

Here's the past 10 Super Bowl champions and how their leading rusher fared that year

Indy - 1081 yards 7 TD (rookie)
Pittsburgh - Parker 1202 yards 4 TD (rookie)
New England - Dillon 1635 yards 12 TD
New England - Smith 642 yards 3 TD
Tampa - Pittamn 718 yards 1 TD
New England - Smith 1157 yards 12 TD
Baltimore - Lewis 1364 yards 6 TD (rookie)
St. Louis - Faulk 1381 yards, 7 TD, 1048 yards 5 TD receiving
Denver - Davis 2008 yards, 21 TD
Denver - Davis 1750 yards, 15 TD

So of the past 10 champs, only 2 did NOT have a 1000 yard rusher. Tampa and New England.

So how again is it a passing league? Just because Bradly set all these records, doesn't mean it's a passing league. Ask the Cowboys and Packers where their high ranked passing attacks led them to in the postseason.

by mhuff13 on Jan 27, 2008 9:03 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

& lately, da Pats have been running the ball more

Anyone notice that Laurence Maroney's numbers have gone up the last few games?  And bomb threat Randy Moss' stats have dwindled?

Plus, the Giants' 1-2 RB punch of Jacobs & Bradshaw has been so effective that OC-Kevin Gilbride has continued to call a balanced game plan... something that mediots have not noticed and harped on, which has put less pressure on Eli and been a primary reason he hasn't turned the ball over in the playoffs.

"Balance is the key."

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by kcbrett5 on Jan 27, 2008 9:41 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

"Balance is the key."

I couldn't agree more, our offense has been far too pass happy later in the season and not efficient on first and second downs running the ball leaving far to many third and long (over six yards to go) to get a first down.

Trade up a few spots to get ahead of Houston and draft Jonathan Stewart, thee best all around Back in the draft.

by Deke on Jan 27, 2008 9:47 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It's the QB, not the RB

Again, I am not advocating abandoning the run and going to the run-and –shoot.  My point is that competent running games can be had with backs playing on their rookie contracts and modestly priced free agents.  Mhuff 13, dig a little further into the most recent SB Champions.  I would argue that great quarterbacks are the most important prerequisite for winning a Super Bowl, not great running backs.  

Indy won with Payton Manning – and a rookie running back that was picked near the bottom of the first round.  Note that they let Edge walk instead of paying him the big bucks – exactly the same scenario that I am advocating with MBIII.

Pittsburgh won with a hot Roethlisberger, a very good defense and a running back that went undrafted.

New England won all three times because of Tom Brady and the passing offense. Running backs at NE are plug-and –play.  Their running backs are all good players, but nobody is going to argue that an older Cory Dillon or Laurence Maroney are superstars.

Tampa won with a great defense.  Pittman is average.

Baltimore won with their defense.  I’ll give you that Lewis carried the offense.  Note though that he is no longer running the ball for them.  I believe Baltimore took a pass on signing Lewis to a long-term, big dollar contract.

Marshall Faulk was unable to win in Indy without a quarterback and effective passing game.  In St. Louis he had that.  Marshall Faulk was one of the very, very best backs to ever play the game.  He was as dominant as a receiver in the passing game as he was running the ball.

Denver was a very balanced offense, but clearly Davis was a dominant back.  I would argue that those Denver teams were the last teams of the era where the running game was equal in importance to the passing game.  I would also argue that David wouldn't have sniffed the playoffs without Elway, but Elway would have still moved that team well into the postseason with a good running back instead of a great one.  And oh by the way, Davis was a sixth round pick, again making my point about finding running backs later in the draft.

by Cowboy Louie on Jan 28, 2008 8:00 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree 100% Louie with everything you said

the NFL is indeed a passing league today and the proof is that the league's best teams are passing teams. Just look at the teams with the best records, Pats, Colts, Cowboys and Packers, all passing teams that rely on superstar QBs and receivers and use average to good RBs  to keep the defenses honest. Then look at a team like Minnesota who has an awesome rushing offense and solid defense along with an average at best QB.

Even the Giants needed very good performances by Eli to get to the SB. The NFL is a QB league and points come from the passing game, not the running game. Running the ball is needed to keep defenses honest and wear them out late in the game, but you're never going to win by making a RB the nucleus of your offense, it has to be a QB in todays game. Gone are the days where you could win a super bowl with a great defense, great running game and effecient QB. Your QB in todays game has to be a true playmaker and that will be proven once again this season because whichever team wins the SB next Sunday will need a great performance by their QB, not their RB. The last RB SB MVP was Terrell Davis in SB XXXII 10 years ago and I really don't see that trend changing anytime soon.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jan 28, 2008 8:39 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yep, and one more perspective

Terry, you completely nailed it with "you're never going to win by making a RB the nucleus of your offense".  The passing game is where points are had, and you need to score 28-31 to be a top contender these days.

Unfortunately, the days are gone when teams can afford superstars at QB, RB and WR. The triplets were the last of a dying breed - the salary cap has seen to that.  Indy was obviously going to keep Peyton Manning.  But they were forced to decide between spending big cap dollars on Edge or Harrison/Wayne.  I think they made the correct choice and filled in nicely around their passing game core with Addai.  I hope Dallas follows that model.

Look, I would love to have D-Mac, provided he could be had with a late first round pick and a cap figure of about $1M.  Far and away the biggest mistake Dallas could make would be to sign MBIII to a 5yr/$25M and then compound the mistake by trading way up to get McFadden.  I have seen that very scenario promoted on this board and I just cringe.  We would use up at least three valuable draft picks and also have two huge salaries all wrapped up in the running back position.  Ugh.  That would be a mistake equal to the Joey Galloway fiasco.

by Cowboy Louie on Jan 28, 2008 10:58 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

totally agree
In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jan 28, 2008 11:02 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Welcome to the NBA

Can someone please explain the concept of SIGN AND TRADE to me?

As I understand it, trading a guy means the team that trades him accelerates all the bonus money and gets hit with it that year....

So you sign a guy to a 5yr $30mm deal w/a $5mm signing bonuses, then trade him and he counts $5mm against the cap for you even if he doesnt play a down? HUH

This sounds liek the dumbest thing I have ever read...

by 325424 on Jan 28, 2008 11:22 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

my understanding is

and I could be wrong, that you can't trade a player unless he's under contract to the team trading him. So you sign the player to a contract, trade him and the team receiving the player also receives the contract and cap implications.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jan 28, 2008 12:21 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

no way i let MB3 go like that.. but i remember

some1 on here bringing up the fact that michael turner is gonna be a UFA. i think bringin him to dallas would give MB3 a greeaaat compliment back that can make the most out of few carries.i think it would make our running backs one of the premeir tandems in the league..

WHO IS NATE JONES?

by eMBe3 on Jan 27, 2008 2:22 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

don't want him here

to much money when we could get Ward from the Gaints to do the same thing

by Arkcowboys on Jan 27, 2008 2:29 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Eh?

Why would Turner leave the Chargers to be the backup somewhere else.

He will be starting for someone next year.

by mhuff13 on Jan 27, 2008 4:55 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You name the team Turner will be starting for ?

interested to know who you think needs a starting RB next year ......... and why ?

True Cowboys diehard since 1975.

by BoyzRback07 on Jan 27, 2008 7:23 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

x

Chicago and Houston

"The best Cornerbacks are the ones that we never hear about"

by miles on Jan 27, 2008 8:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

OK

Chicago - Benson is a bust
Houston - So is Green
Arizona - Edge won't last much longer
Denver - They are always getting a new RB
Detroit - KJ is injured too much
Atlanta - Dunn is almost done, and Norwood? Nah

Depending on how the injuries to their guys heal, you might also throw in Miami and Tampa.

Could also throw in Cincy. Kenny Watson was their leading rusher this past season.

by mhuff13 on Jan 27, 2008 8:49 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Houstan,

Jets, maybe Cinci. I would throw in the Bears also.

The Beast of the East is back!!!!

by Cowboys81 on Jan 27, 2008 11:41 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Turner is a UFA

and won't be back. Jerry is not going to pay starter money for a player splitting time with MB3.

Turner wants to goto a team where he can start.

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by Cowboys81 on Jan 27, 2008 11:39 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Sounds good to me.

I think Dmac has much more home run capability and can  change our offense in a way that would take the pressure off the recievers.

by gnrhutch on Jan 27, 2008 2:58 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I come back from a three day "vacation"

to my Parents' house, and this is what I come back to.

It would be REALLY hard for me to continue being a Jerruh apologist if this happens.  Selling away the draft plus the heart and soul of your offense for an untested, overpaid rookie?  And remember, DMac was not a featured runner at Arkansas.  He shared the time with Felix Jones, who just may be as good if not better than McFadden when all is said and done.

There are just no guarantees when it comes to Running Backs, and the past is littered with shining examples of burnt out first round running backs.  Plus, MB3 was had with a 4th round pick, and he is now one of the top runners in the league!  Its just too much risk for not enough reward.  

You find out life's this game of inches, so is football. Because in either game - life or football - the margin for error is so small.

by Brandon Worley on Jan 27, 2008 8:26 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I know this is just something to let everybody

chew on. BUT, no way this deal happens. We don't want the 1st pick in the draft. By the way, DMC will not be the #1 pick due to the lay of the picks. Jets or ATL are the two teams aside from Oakland. Atl desperately needs a QB so I'm declaring my pick is either the Jets or Raiders. Look on the Oakland site, and you will find they are hoping the Cowboys make a move for DMC, just so Al Davis addresses the defense, but even they realize it won't happen.

This team needs young CB's for the future and we can get at least 2 very good ones, plus a RB, if the scouting dept and GM do their jobs early in the draft.

"On my signal...unleash Hell." Demarcus Maximus Decimus Ware

by APerfectStar on Jan 27, 2008 8:42 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Forget DMac..I want his buddy at #22

http://www.nwanews.com/adg/Sports/21...

You have to love and appreciate this guy and his persona, A perfect fit here in Dallas. Exactly the attitude we need.

True Cowboys diehard since 1975.

by BoyzRback07 on Jan 27, 2008 9:15 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Why has no one brought up...

..that Miami has RONNIE BROWN!?!?!

I love MB3, but if Ronnie Brown is healthy, he's just as good, if not better than Barber.  

This trade doesn't make sense on so many levels.

The Dolphins have a good RB already and don't need another starter at that position.  Teams want to trade down from the No. 1 to somewhere in the 4-10 range because you can still get a gamebreaker and not pay as much.  If you trade down to where the Cowboys are, it's a lot more difficult (and it takes more time to develop) an All-Star/gamebreaker time player.  

Fortunately, we have good starters are most positions, so we can afford to draft someone and develop them behind our starters.  What doesn't make sense is to trade away a good starter, then pay a rookie even more than what the already-proven starter would get, just so that in 2-3 years you can have an awesome RB.  If the Cowboys were the in the same position as Oakland or Chicago, this might make more sense.

"It was a 4-yard run taking the scenic route." -Joe Buck on Romo's Run

by GhettoBear04 on Jan 27, 2008 10:12 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

But Parcells loves Barber, and the idea of a two back set with those guys, running the ball in a rotation on 90% of snaps... he might drool enough to convince himself that he needs MB3

by Or Moyal on Jan 27, 2008 11:09 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

has anyone also considered the fact that

Miami would be foolish to trade out of the number 1 spot the whole way to #22. While Miami has a lot of holes to fill and would benefit from a lot of draft picks, going from #1 overall to #22 seems really dumb to me and that Parcells is much smarter than that.

I would think Parcells does want to trade the #1 pick, but at the same time he also wants to acquire a top 10 talent as well. Obviously, like in any draft, there is a big drop off in talent after the first 10-15 picks and so any trade Parcells makes with the #1 overall pick will more than likely be with a team in the top half of the draft, not the Cowboys.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jan 28, 2008 7:50 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Back to #8

When in the early stages of rebuilding, 2 low 1st round picks would be better than 1 top 10 pick.

If Parcells thinks he absolutely needs a top ten pick then check the draft value chart. #22 (780) + #28 (660) = 1440.  #8 = 1400.

He could always trade back up (IF he could find a trade partner).

by DeRat on Jan 28, 2008 9:51 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree

when rebuilding, you need to aquire players that will become the foundation of your team and you can't do that with low 1st rd picks. You still need to get a stud plus an extra pick or 2, just like what the Chargers did when they took advantage of the Falcons by trading them the #1 pick (for Vick) and moving down 4 spots to select Tomlinson. That was a text book trade down when having the #1 pick.

Parcells could always trade back up into the top ten, but it would make more sense to trade with a team already in the top 10-12.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jan 28, 2008 10:57 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Problem with trying to trade down...

There's only about 5-8 really strong prospects in this class, and after that, it's not much drop off throughout the rest of the first round...

Also, why would a team in that range really consider moving up? Seems like every team in that range is in need of a strong rebuilding process, and don't need to be mortgaging extra draft picks to move up and spend so much more money. Just don't see anyone really excited to throw away extra picks moving up and having to spend so much more money...

by N41D on Jan 28, 2008 1:16 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

There is no consensus #1 in this draft

While teams have been trying to move out of the #1 slot in almost every draft in recent years (simply due to the financial commitment required for a rookie), this year it's going to be especially difficult because there's no consensus #1.  There are very good QB, RB, OT, DE, and DT prospects, but none of them are so good that you know they're worth the commitment.  Add to that the fact that most of the teams at the top of the draft either have a QB or have recently picked one in the first 2 rounds, and it's not a good year to be trading out.  Teams will only make a move to #1 if they think they won't get their guy, and I think this draft is filled with a lot of "guys".  

by grapejoos on Jan 28, 2008 2:12 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

This is not the draft

class to have the top pick. Parcells knows this and he will try to trade down. The problem with this years draft class is that it's weak from top to bottom. The weakest is at CB. Well see how it plays out, but the more I think about it the more Jerry will use the 28th pick to acquire a player via a trade and decide to draft at 22 or trade out of the first round. Arkansas Felix Jones would be the logical choice at 22. Maybe he slips to 25 or so then Jerry would trade down a few spots. Jerry always makes moves on draft day and I see no different this year.

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by Cowboys81 on Jan 28, 2008 3:16 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I've heard just the opposite

This draft class is supposed to be really strong with all the juniors that came out early and the CB position seems really deep. Players like Jenkins, McKelvin, Tlib, Lee and DRC all seem like legit studs to me.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jan 28, 2008 3:23 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not sure what your reading

but that's incorrect. When only 3 CB's are expected to go in the first round, that's a weak class. Junior CB Malcolm Jenkins who was supposed to be a first round pick is staying in college. Mike Jenkins is the best and will be a top 10. Besides him McKelvin is the only other projected to be a top 20 pick. King from Penn State could sneak in late first round, but that's a BIG if. When scouts say that Aaron Ross if he was in this years draft class would be a 5 to 7 pick then that's a weak class. Not much value in first round CBs this year.

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by Cowboys81 on Jan 28, 2008 5:52 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Talib is projected as a first as well by many

...but that doesn't really refute the point.  My criteria for being drafted at CB is:  are you better than Jacques Reeves?  I think most of the 1st and 2nd round CBs will pass that test even as rookies.

by grapejoos on Jan 28, 2008 7:09 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

OK, let me expand your list

Reggie Smith, Antoine Cason, DeJuan Tribble, Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie. All very possibly first-round selections. Seven potential selections in one position? That's ENORMOUSLY deep.

by Or Moyal on Jan 28, 2008 7:21 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes it's remarkably deep.

I've not read on any site dealing with the 2008 draft that the CB class is weak.

Cowboys81, maybe you read an old scouting report before all the juniors declared. Justin King has slid well down the list of possible 1st and 2nd rounders.

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by APerfectStar on Jan 28, 2008 7:29 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Its not deep guys

Many of these CB's will be overdrafted, some because of there combine workouts. I'm heavily into the mocks right now and the NFL Combine every year. Most of the scouts are all saying the same thing that this draft class is not very deep. A good mock draft site is NFL Draft Countdown. Right now many of the mocks have Mike Jenkins being the best and a 7 to 10 pick. Then it gets muddy. Aqib Talib anywhere from 17 to 25. Leodis Mckelvin 15 to 22 and Reggie Smith toward the end of the first round. Smith, Cason, Tribble,Cromartie and throw in King would be reaches in the first round. These players are second round players. There is really 3 or 4 good CBs to select for in the first round that I would take.    

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/sub...

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by Cowboys81 on Jan 28, 2008 9:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

If there are 3-4 CBs that are 1st rd talent

and 3-4 that are 2nd rd talent, thats pretty deep as far as I'm concerned.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jan 29, 2008 7:42 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree Terry.....

This is in no way a weak CB draft....I'd say it's a weak Safety draft....a weak OG draft....a weak Center draft...a weak ILB draft....but in no way is it a weak CB draft.... There will be at least 8-10 CB's selected in the first 2 rounds....that's 10 out of 64  .... or 15.6 % ...I don't see any position that will produce more first day draft picks than CB.

This draft must be where we make our mark...Next years draft is going to be one of the weakest ever.

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by BoyzRback07 on Jan 29, 2008 8:41 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

you forgot Cromartie

I look for him to move into the late 1st round as well!

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by TrueBlue24 on Jan 30, 2008 6:23 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

thats why Parcells will have difficulties

in finding a trading partner for that pick.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jan 28, 2008 2:26 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

nd that's why including Barber in a trade is nuts

Give Miami our second #1 and a third rounder. If they will go for that fine, but multiple #1s and a pro bowl player is too rich

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by Seanrude on Jan 28, 2008 3:17 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Jerry might be thinking

he won't be able to sign MB3. Think about it. If he has any idea that he would have a difficult time resigning MB3 he might do it. I'm not sure what his value is. He's not a starting RB, but is a pro bowl RB. He is going to be overpaid regardless. Well see, but I told everyone months ago Jerry will do what he can to get DMAC and it seems he will.

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by Cowboys81 on Jan 28, 2008 5:55 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You know what else I find funny...

And maybe a little scary?
The deal Miami fans are pondering is usually something along the lines of Barber, 22, 28, and our third. And most of them are still teetering on that hypothetical.
If only they knew that most Dallas fans were unwilling to part with a good half of that...

by Or Moyal on Jan 28, 2008 7:23 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Has anyone thought of using the Pats strategy?

Every year, they make a draft day trade to give up one of their first round picks to get a better one then their own the next year.  Granted, we have done this twice and both times it's pretty much backfired, but come on, eventually we will trade one of our first rounds picks for someone else's pick the next year.

It's definitely a better way to move up draft wise without having to sacrifice an arm and a leg (or MBIII).  

by futurecoach on Jan 29, 2008 8:49 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I'm not a big proponent of trading out of rd1

especially since next years draft is going to be the weakest of the decade.

I was all for Dallas dealing with Cleveland this past year cuz I knew there would be top talent within the top 10,...and the same with Buffalo the other time...but both did backfire on us dearly.

With free agency, each years team results vary so much year to year..It's tough to gauge. We need to aquire top talent NOW, we are on the brink of being the most talented team in the league...We are already there...just need a few pieces of the puzzle.

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by BoyzRback07 on Jan 29, 2008 10:16 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

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