Parcells going after Flozell and Hamlin next?

by Terry on Jan 31, 2008 3:52 PM CST

DMN Blog is reporting now that Parcells has raided our scouting department and coaching staff, he will move next to our players and Adams and Hamlin might targets.

Miami is in the market for a free safety. Ken Hamlin wants a big contract after playing for the relative bargain price of $2 million and change last season. Hamlin also has a ton of respect for Bowles.
LT Flozell Adams is a Sparano guy, so it wouldn't be stunning if he decided to rejoin his O-line coach inMiami.

This scenario does makes sense so it wouldn't surprise me at all if Parcells offers them big contracts if we can't re-sign them before the start of free agency in March.

I think it would be devasting to lose both players because I really doubt we can effectively replace both players by other free agents, rookies or even current backups on our roster. McQuistan, Free or Watkins might be players someday, but they are no where the caliber of these 2 guys.

Hopefully Jerry will start negotiating hard with both of their agents after the combine to get deals done before Parcells comes after these guys really hard.

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Loose speculation

without facts, or even a hint of a rumor, to back it up. Blah. You might as well throw darts at a dartboard and write it up as an article.

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by Dave Halprin on Jan 31, 2008 4:04 PM CST reply actions

Do that and you will have yourself a job

at ESPN, Terry!

by huslinone on Jan 31, 2008 4:23 PM CST up reply actions

LOL!

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by kcbrett5 on Jan 31, 2008 4:36 PM CST up reply actions

true but...

seeing how Tuna has raided our coaching offices, i think it's legitimate to wonder out loud would he try and raid our players. he's done it everywhere else he's been. although it's different now because he's not a coach or a GM....

by Tuna Helper on Jan 31, 2008 4:25 PM CST up reply actions

I see the silly season is in full gear

consider yourself SUCKED!!!!

Just ignore all these speculations, rumors, feelings, wishes, its all a bunch of garbage....

Anything that's going to happen in the offseason, someone is going to try to make it about Bill in Miami and Jerry in Dallas....

Trade up a few spots to get ahead of Houston and draft Jonathan Stewart, thee best all around Back in the draft.

by Deke on Jan 31, 2008 4:22 PM CST reply actions

Lets at least wait until after the Super Bowl

to start speculating on trade possibilities. I read this article, it's nothing more than some writer seeing one team's needs, another's Free Agents, and building an imaginary bridge between the two.

He knows anything with Jerry Jones, Bill Parcells, trade, Free Agent, and Cowboys will cause all sorts of hoopla to follow.

You find out life's this game of inches, so is football. Because in either game - life or football - the margin for error is so small.

by Brandon Worley on Jan 31, 2008 4:26 PM CST reply actions

I meant to say

Free Agency, not trades.

You find out life's this game of inches, so is football. Because in either game - life or football - the margin for error is so small.

by Brandon Worley on Jan 31, 2008 4:28 PM CST up reply actions

Football News Gets Slower This Time of Year

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by kcbrett5 on Jan 31, 2008 4:37 PM CST reply actions

Tuna wouldn't want Flo....

Tuna harps on mental toughness....Flo used to give Tuna heatburn with all his mental errors(false starts, etc), plus I'm sure he's looking to get younger and cheaper....He will totally overhaul the Dolphins with low cost free agents and draft picks...

Hamlin isn't a FOB Tuna helper.I'd like to retain Hamlin, but I'm not going to give him a Roy type contract. Patrick Watkins have shown me enough to let Hamlin leave if he's expecting out of this world dollars..and I still think Courtney Brown is going to evolve into a real player, at least by his measuables,a highly gifted athlete. And we could always draft DRCromartie, or a Reggie Smith and have him man the free safety position until they're ready to take over at CB...

I would not want Jerry to get in a bidding war to save a really good, yet nearing the end of his career LT like Flo..If Flo doesn't want to retire as a Cowboy, and accept a fair market valued contract, then screw 'em..We go with the youngsters and save boat loads of money.....

True Cowboys diehard since 1975.

by BoyzRback07 on Jan 31, 2008 4:51 PM CST reply actions

If we go with the younger players boyzrback

we simply won't be as good.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Feb 1, 2008 8:36 AM CST up reply actions

maybe...maybe not....but...

We certainly would be stronger at another position that needs more strength...Say we pass signing Flo, and let him go....We go ahead and trade a high 28th or 62nd pick in the draft and obtain Roy Williams-WR Detroit who I can only assume will cost us the same annual salary , about 7 million per season...

Question is , Would we be a stronger Offense with TO and Willims as our starting Wideouts....and Free/McQuistan/ or Bigg Davis at LT ?

I'd have to say yes....in a big way...If Free or McQuistan can come in and play decently, say as good as that Uggha guy in Indy...with maybe a little help from a TE or FB once in awhile...I'd take my chances of becoming that much younger and possibly better overall on offense....all why not elavating out salary cap figure.

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by BoyzRback07 on Feb 1, 2008 3:40 PM CST up reply actions

Dont use these words in the same sentence

Leonard Davis and Left Tackle---NEVER!!!!

Guard is his natural position, I dont want him anywhere near left tackle.

Trade up a few spots to get ahead of Houston and draft Jonathan Stewart, thee best all around Back in the draft.

by Deke on Feb 1, 2008 4:12 PM CST up reply actions

I agree Deke...

That was just to cover the few who feel Davis could always shift over if in fact Flo leaves...I am dead set against moving Davis....

In fact, if we lose Flo...It would also open up an opportunity to aquire Alan Faneca to play LG, which would boost the effectiveness of either McQ or Free.

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by BoyzRback07 on Feb 1, 2008 4:22 PM CST up reply actions

I strongly disagree boyzrback

I don't care how awesome your wideouts are, if Romo is getting blindsided on a consistent basis, then it won't matter.

LT a position that is just as important as any other on offense except for the QB. You just can't put just any guy there and expect production. Flozell is a proven pro bowl player capable of shutting down the league's best pass rushers. I seriously doubt that either McQuistan or Free could do that and Davis certainly can't. He's a pro bowl guard, but very average tackle. He got spun around like a top in Arizona at LT and he would with us as well.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Feb 1, 2008 4:19 PM CST up reply actions

wow...I like your faith..terry

In our O line depth...Say Flo tears a knee ligiment in preseason, and we have to count on Free or McQ to step up and start for us next year...You have no faith in our backups, the same guys that were specifically drafted to take over Flo when this very moment arrived??? geeez...From what I saw last preseason, and from what reports I heard from Grizz during training camp....I sure think Free played sufficient, and I could only imagine he's improved over the last 6 months....add into account we have Hudson Houck ( The same guy that you said made Flozell the player he is today )

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by BoyzRback07 on Feb 1, 2008 5:28 PM CST up reply actions

I really liked what I saw from Free in TC

I think the guy will progress nicely and could end up being very valuable to the franchise.

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by Dave Halprin on Feb 1, 2008 7:13 PM CST up reply actions

I don't have any faith in our O line if it means

they would have to start the entire year. A few games here or there yes, but not the entire season. I think Free will probably end up being a great LT in this league someday, I just don't think he's quite ready yet to take on the league's best pass rushers every week.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Feb 2, 2008 9:43 AM CST up reply actions

i'll go a step further

more teams can win with their backup qb than their back up left tackle.

by 325424 on Feb 1, 2008 6:23 PM CST up reply actions

So what are suppose to do ??

sign FLO to a ten year offer an keep him around
I say if dosen't come cheap then let him go

Free an Mcq will just have to learn on the fly -
and your precious TR won't get hurt that badly - then you be wishing we had Dmac

A RB like McFadden keeps the opp. defense honest. He can take it to the house at any time.
He would take pressure off of Romo, Witten, and the receivers and teams would have to gameplan for both our running/passing game as both could beat teams.

Free looked real good in the preseason games I saw

or we could draft this guy with our 2 pick
OT Chris Williams 6-6 #315
Co-captain of Vanderbilt's football team, Chris Williams simply doesn't allow sacks. His 40 at his size is remarkable
he just plain mean

by Arkcowboys on Feb 1, 2008 11:47 PM CST up reply actions

We are not trading up for Mcfadden

Trade up a few spots to get ahead of Houston and draft Jonathan Stewart, thee best all around Back in the draft.

by Deke on Feb 1, 2008 11:52 PM CST up reply actions

so let me get this straight

Ark,
You think the Cowboys would benefit from having Macfadden? It seemed like a while ago you were luke warm on him and preferred Jones...

by 325424 on Feb 2, 2008 12:24 AM CST up reply actions

D-Mac can cure cancer,

bring peace to the middle east, make Britney sane again, and get the Cowboys to the Super Bowl.

Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey

by Seanrude on Feb 2, 2008 5:57 PM CST up reply actions

yes they would benefit from having Dmac

that means taking pressure off our O line

by Arkcowboys on Feb 3, 2008 1:01 AM CST up reply actions

so would a combo of MB3 and either

Stewart, Mendelhall or Jones.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Feb 3, 2008 12:02 PM CST up reply actions

I don't agree

with overpaying for an aging LT with bad knees a big contract. Free or Mcquistan should be more than capable at starting. I think the money would be better spent in free agency or retaining Hamlin and giving Canty a new contract.

The Beast of the East is back!!!!

by Cowboys81 on Feb 4, 2008 3:18 PM CST up reply actions

I don't see it happenig with either

Particularly Ham. I think Jerry will keep him at any cost; he's been bitten by poor safeties too often.
If Flo gets a huge offer from someone, however (4 years, 28 mil?) I don't see Jerry ponying up. He knows the value of staying below the salary cap.

by Or Moyal on Jan 31, 2008 4:57 PM CST reply actions

i think 4x7

is the best possible price for Flo

i would be shocked to see him sign for less

but wouldn't want to pay much more...

by 325424 on Jan 31, 2008 11:34 PM CST up reply actions

Nothing we can do....

If the Dolphins want to get into a bidding war for Hamlin and/or Flozell there is nothing that we can do. The Dolphins have sufficient cap space to aggressively pursue FA's. If the players want to stay in Dallas for reasonable contracts, they both should know by now that Jerry will offer them a reasonable contract.

The 13-3 Cowboys or the 1-15 Dolphins? I guess we'll find out if these guys like winning football games or stuffing their pockets with greenbacks.

I'm much more worried about Flozell because I think he could command a fairly significant contract on the open market. Using comparables of Willie Anderson and Jonas Jennings, we are probably going to have to offer Flozell at least a 4 year deal in the neighborhood of $25M with about $8-$12 of that guaranteed. Year number four is going to be the key because other teams will be able to structure the deal to be cap friendly if they were part ways with Flo in year #4, but our cap situation might not give us the flexibility to offer a large portion of the signing bonus as a roster bonus.

by Fargo Cowboys on Jan 31, 2008 8:06 PM CST reply actions

IMO, there's

going to be a very good market for Flo. I don't think there's ever been a LT of his ability, playing like he played last year, who has hit the FA market. Teams just don't let them get away that easy.

If I were Bill, I'd offer him a big contract that paid him his guaranteed money up front so that after 2 or 3 years he could be cut with minimal cap impact. This is the one position a team should overpay for and the Dolphins have the cap room to do it. Especially since they're probably going to have a young QB behind center. A big name signing would give Bill some cushion with the fans and the mediots down there while he started overhauling the rest of the roster. Then, after a couple of years, after he's brought in a bunch of young guys ready to compete for starting jobs, he can think about letting Flo go.

I also think the Chiefs would be FOOLS if they didn't go after Flo. They saw what happened to their line after Willie Roaf retired. A guy like Flo and maybe a blue chip OG in the draft might just make Larry Johnson look like a good RB again. Instead of looking like Troy Hambrick.

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by kameleon1 on Jan 31, 2008 9:41 PM CST up reply actions

Flo Was Drafted with HH here

I think he made Flo what he is today - why would he go to Maimi when in Dallas at least there's a chance of a SB

by Arkcowboys on Feb 1, 2008 12:18 AM CST reply actions

there is no way ...

flo would leave dallas for miami no shot...and if bill offered him a hugh contract jerry could slap the old franchise tag on him and flo would sign for sure, and hamlin wants to win so he's staying putt...besides i think most of these players have had enough of bill.

"I guess I'm gonna fade into Bolivian." Mike tyson.

by hashishkabob on Feb 1, 2008 12:34 AM CST reply actions