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Did we really give up too much for RW2?

Consider this the opposite of the O'Reilly Factor. This is the Spin Zone. I'm going to spin this like the homer I am, because I don't think we got fleeced at all.

First of all, name one receiver coming out in next year's draft, that would have been available when we picked (anywhere between 20 and 32, hopefully 32 lol) that would be better than Roy? Roy will be better than ANY receiver, no matter how good they are, for at least 3 years. With very, very, very rare exceptions, WR is the most volatile position to pick early in the draft. They usually take awhile to develop, if they do at all.

I really think we would have gone WR in the first round next year. So I consider Roy to be that WR. So we are upgraded from anything we would have gotten in the first round.

I'll skip now to the 6th round pick. It wasn't even ours. Through the risk Jerry took, and the careful negotiations that he had with the Adam Jones trade, we got that pick back just yesterday when Adam was suspended. I still think he comes back this year, so we gain a troubled, but talented CB, and a 5th round pick, for our 4th round pick last year and the 6th round pick we sent to Detroit.

The 3rd round pick now. We traded our 3rd round pick in this trade. We still have the Browns' 3rd round pick, which will be higher than ours obviously. We traded last year's 3rd round pick for what ended up, through 2 other trades, Detroit's 4th rounder in 2009 and Cleveland's 3rd rounder in 2009.

So in the Spin Zone, the trades net us the following:

Trade 2009 1st round pick, 2008 3rd round pick, 2008 4th round pick, and 2009 6th round pick for:

Roy Williams, Cleveland's 2009 3rd round pick, Detroit's 2009 4th round pick, Tennessee's 2009 5th round pick, Adam Jones, and Detroit's 2009 7th round pick.

And to make things even better, while I'm on the subject of the trades...follow this train ride....

We trade Anthony Fasano and Akin Ayokdele for the Dolphins 4th round pick. We trade that pick to Oakland for their 4th round pick and their 7th round pick. We then trade Oakland's 4th round pick to Cleveland for their 4th round pick and their 5th round pick. With Cleveland's 4th round pick we select Tashard Choice.

We then trade Cleveland's 5th round pick and Oakland's 7th round pick for Jacksonville's 5th round pick. With that, we select Orlando Scandrick.

So we trade Anthony Fasano and Akin Ayodele for Tashard Choice and Orlando Scandrick.

Jerry Jones is my hero.

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Don't worry about the MSM

Cowboy bashing is “the” in thing this year and the only, I repeat, the ONLY way to shut up the ever growing mass of haters is to string together some wins and win in the postseason. Anything other that that and we will be subjected to a new channel-

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by Billito on Oct 15, 2008 6:44 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

As eloborate as your analysis is I look at it this way

We gave up a first, a third pick and a 6th in next years draft for a PROVEN, quality WR that’s still young and ready to play NOW. The first rounder could very well have been spent on a WR anyway, so I consider that a wash. I also consider our 6th and Detroit’s 7th to be a virtual wash. They hopefully wont be more than a half dozen picks difference, save for compensatory picks in between. As for giving up the third rounder, well I look at that as the cost for the “proven” part of the WR we acquired, rather than taking a chance with our first on a potential bust.

by WB3forMB3 on Oct 15, 2008 6:58 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

+100000

Exactly what I’ve been trying to tell people.

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by DC_fan on Oct 15, 2008 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

3rd round pick

Was to insure we got him now, so we can use him NOW, and not get involved in a biding war.. Where we are force to overpay for his salary or not get him at all..

It is worth the 3rd round pick to me to keep him from the Iggles!! ..

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by Wmillion on Oct 15, 2008 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good point

We got him, but we also blocked the Iggles from getting him.

T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003

by APerfectStar on Oct 16, 2008 12:01 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

People forget that

point right there. The Iggles wanted him this past off-season too, which means we also paid to keep him away from a divison rival. gotta love that.

My thinking in the whole this is if we fast-forward to April 2009. We need a WR (IMO) and lets say we are sitting around 25—-hopefully 32—-and Roy Williams, the player we all know, is sitting somewhere between 10-15 would you trade a 3 and 6 to move up to get him? i would in a heartbeat and I know he is a rookie with his whole career ahead of him, but at 26 he has a lot of years left.

Thats the way I view the thing.

First to six!!!

by sduncan24 on Oct 16, 2008 7:34 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+++++++++1

Dallas Cowboys 2009 first round pick – Roy Williams
Dallas Cowboys 2009 third round pick – insuring Roy Williams gets to play in 2008
Dallas Cowboys 2009 sixth round pick – for Detroit Lions 2009 7th round pick (ours will be early in the 7th round theirs will be late in the 6th round, so vitrually a wash)

So, i will say it like many have said it already, we got a PROVEN top WR for a first and third round pick, NO gambling, NO learnng curve, NO ‘wondering’ if he will ever become a true NFL reciever.

by stephena on Oct 16, 2008 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+11111111......it's as easy as that ....a sure fire starting WR for a 1st and a 3rd....i'd do this trade every year if it assured a top flight starter at a postion of NEED

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by BoyzRback on Oct 16, 2008 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Really?

Two words: Joey Galloway.

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by 5Blings on Oct 19, 2008 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Speaking of Bill O'Reilly

Where will you be when the Sixers hoist the Larry O'Brien trophy? Hopefully Liberty Ballers.

by jsams on Oct 15, 2008 7:32 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

but how do you really know

we would have selected a WR in 2009 draft with our 1st rd pick? What if there is another position like OL or LB sitting there thats a really good prospect?

Not convinced we would have been going WR with our 1st pick.

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by Terry on Oct 15, 2008 9:33 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Perhaps...

But don’t you think that Jerry would’ve tried something to get him? I mean he did stack up on alot picks for next year.

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by TheHeat on Oct 15, 2008 11:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think so

Why move that far up into the draft to spend that much money on an unproven commodity?

When you can trade the pick, and some lower ones, for a proven commodity to spend your money on.

by mhuff13 on Oct 15, 2008 11:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

As much as I love Crabtree as a WR, he’ll be in the top 10 and Dallas would have had to use even more than the 3rd and 6th round picks to move up, and the contract would be close to what Roy W got, for a guy that is unproven. Plus Dallas get him a half a season early.

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by APerfectStar on Oct 16, 2008 12:06 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

we would have no shot at Crabtree

because there is no way we could have moved up in the top 10 of the draft and furthermore, there is no guarantee he’ll come out this and declare for the draft.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Oct 16, 2008 8:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

There is no question that we would've

drafted a Wr in the first or second round. Either that or we would’ve been in a bidding war over RW in the off season. We needed another threat period!! The logical choice is a established, proven veteran like RW, not a rookie. RW is worth a first and third pick. Heck, we really only gave up a first rounder because we had a additionl 3rd from the Browns that will be higher. Who cares about the 6th. Chances are he doesn’t make the team..

Let’s be honest, our first and third round picks haven’t been very good recently. It was time to do something else with those picks and get a player we needed. You know Jerry loves to wheel and deal. We all hate when he trades down to acquire more picks. The chances are the same thing would’ve happened next draft, especially if our first was in the upper 20’s and we would’ve been pissed again.

If people are so worried about draft picks we will have 11 to package and get back in the first round. 11 rookies are not going to make the team.

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by Boyzfan94 on Oct 16, 2008 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree

If there would be a very good LB or OL prospect sitting there, we need that position much more than #2 WR since Austin was well on his way to becoming the #2 next season.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Oct 16, 2008 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Alert to Terry

We are trying to win the Superbowl this year.RW improves those ODDS…

Doesn’t mean there will not be a great OL or LB in the second.. You love to remind everyone it is not an exact science. If we sign Columbo, OL is not a pressing need.

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by Wmillion on Oct 16, 2008 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

thats a big IF and a #2 WR

will not be the difference whether we win the SB or not.

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by Terry on Oct 16, 2008 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes....a #2 is exactly what this team was lacking...barring further injuries, I like our chance now more than i did Sunday evening..

points and yardage we put up so far weren’t quality points, or yardage…controlling the clock, freeing up TO & Witten, removing a safety from the box, getting Crayton to his natural slot position, proving a deep threat, giving Tony better options, etc. etc…..that’s what this trade did…

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by BoyzRback on Oct 16, 2008 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

dude...Terry...

I can understand being cautious, as we all are, but come on, man. You’re allowed to get excited. We won’t tell anybody…

by AikmanNailedMySis on Oct 17, 2008 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll get excited when I start seeing big plays by him

on a consistent basis, not just matching Crayton’s production.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Oct 17, 2008 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Terry

I respect your opionon, but if you think he is going to put up similar as Crayton you are way off.

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don't help me, help the mountain lion"

by Wmillion on Oct 17, 2008 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

we'll see

I hope I’m wrong about RW and he turns out to be the stud everyone here thinks he is, but need I remind you that everyone also thought Pacrat was going to be a stud CB and return guy for us when in fact he was average at best.

I don’t think he’ll put up numbers similar to Crayton, but you never know. The chemistry between him and Romo might not happen like exsists between Romo, T.O. and Witten.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Oct 17, 2008 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The difference between RW2 and Pac is

RW2 hasn’t been out of football for a year and a half.

by mhuff13 on Oct 17, 2008 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I never thought that about Pacrat and said as much on this blog

Bad character, out of football too long and oh…bad character. What a waste of time and energy.

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by 5Blings on Oct 25, 2008 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

There are only two college LB's deserving of a first round grade....btw....and we'll get neither...both go in to top 15

plus the top 5 first round O line prospects will be gone by pick #20…….and this is the end of me explaining the benefits of this trade, seeing there is only ONE blogger on here who can’t seem to embrace it.

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by BoyzRback on Oct 16, 2008 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know why everyone thinks this is such a great deal

As much as everyone used to rip Dan Snyder for the moves that he made for the redskins for veterans, this is exactly the same kind of thing.

We gave up alot for this guy, I don’t agree with the move and I think its got trouble written all over it.

I agree with Terry, we could have used those pics on a top OL player. Also, I’m not too good at this stuff so someone correct me if I’m wrong, but with the salary they are talking about in this deal for RW, wouldn’t that be putting the Cowboys at paying around $18M / year for 2 receivers?

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by stevefs12 on Oct 15, 2008 10:36 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

How can you possibly compare this move to Snyder?

The guys Snyder signed were people who were in their 30s, over the hill, and on the downward part of their career. Perfect example is Deion Sanders.

Roy is 26, in the prime of his athletic abilities, and now on a team where he can actually use those abilities.

And as far as the salary is concerned, Jerry Jones is a smart man. Bet the house that most of these salaries will be paid in 2010, when there is no cap.

by mhuff13 on Oct 15, 2008 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+++++1

exactly, snyder went after big names on the dowslope of their careers.

by stephena on Oct 16, 2008 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+100

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by Boyzfan94 on Oct 16, 2008 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Plus, da King made sure...

…we had a surplus of draft picks to replace the ones traded.

Snyder — on the other hand — rarely did that… leaving his team with the least amount of draft picks over the course of his ownership of the Washington Redskins.

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by silverblue5 on Oct 18, 2008 12:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Could You Please...

Read the article again and see if Dan Snyder could pull off something like that. And if you say yes he could, then please find another team and owner to root for.

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by TheHeat on Oct 15, 2008 11:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pull off something like what?

giving up too much for a free agent? If it doesnt work out, you’ll be screaming it next year

Super Bowl party at my place, Dallas vs. ?, who's in?

by stevefs12 on Oct 16, 2008 6:59 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

the "too much" he gave up already had replacement picks in reserve

RW2 = 2009 first round pick (THIS GOES TO DETROIT)… better than a rookie WR

We have a 2009 second round pick

We still have a 2009 third round pick — EVEN AFTER TRADING THE OTHER THIRD ROUND PICK AWAY TO DETROIT

We have TWO 2009 FOURTH ROUND PICKS

We have TWO 2009 FIFTH ROUND PICKS

We still have a 2009 sixth round pick — EVEN AFTER TRADING THE OTHER SIXTH ROUND PICK AWAY TO DETROIT

We now have TWO 2009 SEVENTH ROUND PICKS

Now you tell me, if you had that stockpile of draft picks — and you had a team already loaded with proven and productive players — couldn’t you afford to trade some of them for an upgrade in an area of weakness… because you still had picks to replace what you trade away?

Look at the ENTIRE picture rather than eating the molded cheese that The Worldwide Leader in S#!+ (BSPN) considers sports news.

Rarely have they mentioned all of the picks that Dallas still has for the 2009 NFL Draft making King Jerry look like a genius. And what disappoints me is that NFL Network, MSNBC, and SI are not giving the big picture either.

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by silverblue5 on Oct 18, 2008 12:42 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This started out as you can tell

Me trying to homerize my way through the RW2 trade, which I love.

The part at the end really pumped me up, as I was looking at the different trades we made last year. Fasano and Akin for Choice and Scandrick? Man you gotta love those moves.

by mhuff13 on Oct 15, 2008 11:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I Agree

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by TheHeat on Oct 15, 2008 11:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It blows that we had to use the 1st round pick

I thought they could have used it on for a really good OL prospect.

But, other than that I can’t complain. We have a guy that can help now, and take over as #1 when TO retires. (Hopefully)

T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003

by APerfectStar on Oct 16, 2008 12:09 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Big deal a first round pick......

that would’ve been a 25 to 32…whoop..dee…dooo…..You know as well as I do Jerry would’ve traded down that pick if it was in that range. He does it all the time. So in the end we would still have no first round pick and we would all be pissed that he traded down….

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by Boyzfan94 on Oct 16, 2008 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You never know who would have been there in the 1st

I’m not saying it was a bad trade for Dallas, I only hope they find either a good OL or ILB prospect in the 2nd round, which is still very possible.

I’m not hung up on the round, but the range of the pick, and that is around -32 net. That is a big deal in terms of talent available.

T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003

by APerfectStar on Oct 16, 2008 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That means

Tank and Canty are battling for a contract, and bringing Columbo back is a must.

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by Wmillion on Oct 16, 2008 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would sign Canty

over Tank at this point. I like him, but he is not as a dominant as I thought he would be. We can find someone in the draft that can do the same for alot less. I still think Ratliff needs to be moved to DE.

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by Boyzfan94 on Oct 16, 2008 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Tank is losing that battle right now. I know he’s injured, but after all the off-season hype, I’m disappointed that he’s pretty much been a non factor.

T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003

by APerfectStar on Oct 16, 2008 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have to agree

I would love to grab a 330+ NT for a backup!!

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by Wmillion on Oct 16, 2008 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

? Too Much?

Of course it was not too much. There is no question about it, it was not too much.

What would it cost pick-wise to move up to where Roy Williams was picked?
Look at the pick/trade charts…. This was a no brainer. Not even a question.

by Conan the Cimmerian on Oct 16, 2008 7:44 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

the thing is we could have signed him next year

as an UFA without giving up any picks.

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by Terry on Oct 16, 2008 8:39 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

How do you figure that one

When it was pretty much a guarantee that Detroit would franchise him.

It would have taken 2 first round picks to get him next offseason.

by mhuff13 on Oct 16, 2008 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree with that presumption

I think the Lions want to make Calvin Johnson their offensive centerpiece and would have allowed RW to walk.

I really seriously doubt he would have been franchised.

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by Terry on Oct 16, 2008 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know they're the Lions, but..

Why would they let him walk when they could at least take a look at him for 1 more year if they franchise him.

T.O. is the centerpiece of our offense. Yet we still have Witten and RW2 now.

2 good WR > 1. I think they franchised him for at least 1 year. And by the way, all the press in Detroit agrees with me. I live up here, and most of them thought he would be franchised.

by mhuff13 on Oct 16, 2008 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Millen would have, but

I think the new GM is smarter than that as evidenced by the trade itself.

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by Terry on Oct 16, 2008 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You are going to have to pay

Bidding War? We get him for the next 13 games!! :)

Plus we don’t have to worry about getting out bid or Detroit franchising him..

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don't help me, help the mountain lion"

by Wmillion on Oct 16, 2008 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, that was a big factor

Who knows what teams would have been willing to give to sign him. Jerry was smart to do it this way. You could look at it as a 1st round supplemental draft pick. He’ll be contributing for over half this season.

T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003

by APerfectStar on Oct 16, 2008 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

there would be no bidding war

RW made it clear he wanted to go home and play, that means us.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Oct 16, 2008 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

no way to know

what would happen – lots of talk about where you want to go play or how you’re committed to a team but once the $$$blingbling$$$ starts flashing, you never know.

now that being said, i hope we can resign him! :)

by Scoobay on Oct 16, 2008 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did someone call my name?

:-)

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by 5Blings on Oct 25, 2008 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

SO did Javon Walker!!

But took the money from the Raiders..

Once again Terry we wanted him for this season.. You will be fine once him and Tony connect.

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by Wmillion on Oct 16, 2008 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I told you I would be if that happens

Right now I’m just a little skeptical, thats all.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Oct 16, 2008 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

We all are..

I think Romo’s health is more important.. If Romo can take a converted QB who decent speed, good hands, and make him serviceable, imagine what he can do with a 6’3, 210+ pound guy, 4.3 speed guy..

"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"

by Wmillion on Oct 16, 2008 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

correction..

I think Romo’s health is more important.. If Romo can take a converted QB who posses decent speed, good hands, and make him serviceable, imagine what he can do with a guy who is 6’3, 210+ pound , and runs a 4.3.

"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
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by Wmillion on Oct 16, 2008 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

not to be technical

but RW best 40 time is a 4.45, not 4.3.

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by Terry on Oct 16, 2008 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

4.36 best time..

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=58671&draftyear=2004&genpos=WR

not sure where you got your info..

link again!!

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by Wmillion on Oct 16, 2008 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

franchise for RW(O)

Terry, I think Detroit would have franchised him and pulled off a deal like Green Bay did last March with that defensive tackle they traded to Cleveland for a second round pick. He’s too good to let walk even if you have no intention of signing him.

However, I’m with you on your opinion of this move….I just don’t feel as strongly as you do.

I’ve moved on – I’m just going to sit back and enjoy the 2008 ride from here on out.

by Cowboy Louie on Oct 16, 2008 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Get over the picks Terry

We will have 11 picks next draft to move around. The first rounder we gave up would’ve been, esentially a high 2nd if we finish 28 to 32. Jerry is trading down that pick without question. He loves to trade down.

If we think we overpaid for RW now, we would’ve been in a bidding war for him in the offseason.

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by Boyzfan94 on Oct 16, 2008 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm only counting 9 picks right now for 2009, still a lot

2nd – 1
3rd – 1 (from CLE)
4th – 2 (one from DET for a 2008 draft trade)
5th – 2 (one from TEN for the Pacman deal)
6th – 1 (from MIA)
7th – 2 (one from DET for RoyW deal)

as reported by the DMN.

T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003

by APerfectStar on Oct 16, 2008 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

We will get another 2 from

losing FAs Reeves and Jones. Probably a additional 4th and 5th rounder.

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by Boyzfan94 on Oct 17, 2008 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

there would be no bidding war

RW made it prefectly clear he wanted to go home and play for a winner. That only leaves us.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Oct 16, 2008 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

what ?

He may want to come hear, but not taking less money to do so..

"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"

by Wmillion on Oct 16, 2008 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, the odds would be against that happening

Today’s young athletes go for the biggest bonus, and I don’t blame them. One bad injury and they could be done on any given play.

T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003

by APerfectStar on Oct 16, 2008 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

he'd take his FMV which is what we're paying him now

Its not like Jerry would underpay the guy.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Oct 16, 2008 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

But Jerry would have to gamble that he could out bid 31 other teams

And still have enough to re-sign Ware and also Burnett, Colombo, or Canty. One or two of those guys probably leaves for a better deal already. If Roy W was signed for more, maybe all 3 go.

You can’t assume these GM’s and owners wouldn’t over value him next year.

T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003

by APerfectStar on Oct 16, 2008 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

don't even bother Tom.....

A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.

"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones

by BoyzRback on Oct 16, 2008 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

anyone got any weed ?

I want to put this dead horse to sleep…

A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.

"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones

by BoyzRback on Oct 16, 2008 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And who knows....

maybe someone like Philly of Washington was offering Detroit a first and 6th round for Roy this week……. and we come in and up the antie getting hime and keeping him away from division rivals..

no guarantee when RWII became a free agent he would come to dallas and not a competitor..

by stephena on Oct 16, 2008 10:23 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

RW said he wanted to play in Texas

and it sure as hell wouldn’t be for the Texans, they’re almost as bad as the Lions.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Oct 16, 2008 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I want to play for Dallas...

Doesn’t mean it’s gonna happen. Chad JOHNSON said he wants to play for Dallas. Hell, he, TO and JJ had a freaking photo op on the 50. He’s not here, now, is he? I’m sure TONS of people have said they want to play for Dallas and end up somewhere else. They go where the money is and the piece of mind of him not being in Philly is good enough for me…He’s learning the O quickly. T.O. is supposedly excited. And he’s YOUNG!!! Let’s talk about this more Sunday night. I have a feeling ALL of us will have an altered perspective, be it BJ or Romo tossing him the rock.

by AikmanNailedMySis on Oct 17, 2008 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

When it comes to giving up draft picks...

This seems like a case where it was not a problem to give a 1st, 3rd, and 6th. If we were able to sign RW2 in the off season, the price tag would have been much higher, and our team just can’t take that hit as close as we are on the salary cap.

Signing both RW2 and a 1st round draft pick would have really hurt us salary cap wise. What was the alternatives? Don’t sign RW2 and sign our picks or trade our first round pick for another teams next year. Unfortunately the salary cap doesn’t go away next year but the next, or else waiting till the off season might have been a better choice. I am very happy with this decision, smart short and long term decision.

by Masada on Oct 16, 2008 10:31 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yes and no

Late first round picks don’t really get that huge of a contract. But I still get your point.

by mhuff13 on Oct 16, 2008 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Didn't see your fanpost when I made mine

Sorry. But the short answer is no, we didn’t give too much.

by Leon on Oct 16, 2008 11:50 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Too Much!!!

 I don’t like giving up money and picks for WR. Especially when WR is not the weakness on the team. Zac is old and we need to have someone ready to take his spot…..CB is a mess, one of our starters is always hurt, I do like the new guys but we still will need depth. OL is also a concern, we lose one lineman and struggled to have a good replacement……depth at TE, Im not sold on the rook as a solid number 2 yet…..with that being said if Roy turns out to be a true number 1 and we can let TO go then I would say it was worth it. I would have rather waited and tried to get Boldin in the offseason…Time will tell…….

by jvw on Oct 17, 2008 2:00 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

So let's say we trade for a big named CB

Even though there were none on the market.

You’re basically telling Jenkins and Scandrick that we won’t need you for another 4 years. Because then you have Newman and this new mythical CB that some people on here seem to think we could have gotten.

I like the upgrade at WR. Clearly the offense is the strength of our team, so why not make it even better while the young guys on our defense continue to grow.

Sure I know you’ll say that we had young WR that could have grown into the position, but if you think that Austin and Hurd are on a level with RW2 you’re smoking something REALLY good.

by mhuff13 on Oct 17, 2008 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No I'm saying our offense

is already scoring points…….Yes we have had a couple of games were we struggled but for the most part we score points…..The defense and special teams is were we need the help…..if we had a top 10 defense we are SuperBowl champions…….Our problem is trying to outscore everyone and thats not going to win a Superbowl. Look at all the great offenses that went to the superbowl only those that had a top 10 defense went on to win it. It easy to slow down a offense for one game….see the Giants-Bills, Pats-Giants. Pats-Rams. If we put as much effort as strengthing our D as we have our O then Jerry would be doing something…..and with the CB you will always need them because of injuries and special teams and most teams now run the empty backfield and 4 wide outs alot….With the draft picks I say keep drafting that DL or LB that’s going to be a game changer, by the time you find him Zac will be done or Ellis maybe even Carp. I’m like Parcells I think your high draft picks should always be used on Defense and never give up 3 picks (especially a number 1) for a WR who is going to be your number 2 wide out. ( unless of course your replacing TO, and were going to find out if Roy is good enough to replace TO)

by jvw on Oct 17, 2008 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well I also look at it this way

Getting RW2 should free up T.O. A happy T.O. is a happy Cowboys. An unhappy T.O. is a nightmare.

by mhuff13 on Oct 17, 2008 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Roy Williams

It’s a no brainer. You know what you’re getting. He’s another chip and who is to say we can’t trade one of our chips for other needs in the future. Roy Williams is like money in the bank. Plus look what Brady did last year. The guy never threw more than 28 touchdowns. You give him Moss, Stallworth, and Welker and all of the sudden he’s Manning.

by LouieTheLip on Oct 17, 2008 5:23 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

the bet online

Will Roy Williams have over/under 550 yds? Your thoughts? I got over..

"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"

by Wmillion on Oct 17, 2008 11:00 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Under

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Oct 25, 2008 11:41 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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