JJ genius or cancer...
by 325424 on Oct 22, 2008 11:38 AM CDT
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Like most fans I have gone through my highs and lows with Jerry Jones. I remember sitting around as an overwhelmed 8th grader and being devastated by the news that a guy out of Arkansas was buying the Cowboys and his first move was to unceremoniously fire Landry and replace that icon of class with Jimmy Johnson -- out with the fedora, in with the hairspray. I remember hoping that the NFL owners would vote against the sale and save the legacy of my team.
Then he traded away our only good player and I was floored. Then I realized they were stockpiling draft picks and building for the future. As Aikman and Emmitt arrived, I saw that the core of a real team forming. The horse trading of players and draft picks, the energy with which Jimmy and Jerry attacked free agency showed that they really got the changes in the NFL.
Then they started winning. Winning made me forgive a lot. Unfortunately, winning made Jerry start thinking he was an NFL GM (and even that he could coach).
Time has shown that Jerry is a great owner. He has helped the league become more profitable and been instrumental in TV deals, stadium naming, etc. The league is better off because of Jerry Jones.
As for the Cowboys, I am not so sure we are better off with JJ. Jerry seems to flip flop between Good Jerry (who wants to win and hires head coaches who stand up to him) and Bad Jerry (who replaces them with coaches who invite HBO into training camp and make Jerry a central part of the TV show). Good Jerry hires Jimmy and Bill, Bad Jerry replaces them with Switzer, Phillips, Campo and Gailey. Good Jerry trades down and stock piles picks, Bad Jerry trades draft picks to sign good but not great WR's to HUGE contracts.
If the most important decision a GM makes is to hire a head coach, then how good can a GM be who consistently picks weak coaches?
This article is interesting:
http://www.star-telegram.com/332/story/989574.html
It points out that post Jimmy, Jerry is 90-98. Ex-Jimmy Jerry is a long term loser. If you strip out the wins that Switzer got with Jimmy's team it would look even worse.
As a fan I like Jerry because he is committed to winning. I know that he wants to win every bit as much as we want the team to win. I know that he will stop at nothing to make the team competitive. Having said that, I think he has the discipline of a crack addict. Dallas made the model for winning in the 90's. New England has defined the model for winning this decade. Dallas's model was easier, be aggressive and be willing to spend. New England's is tougher. They have shown that it's about disciplined spending, stockpiling draft picks and collecting cheap role players. Jerry lacks the discipline to do this. Maybe as we careen towards an uncapped year Jerry's model will work again -- but if the league doesn't go uncapped this team is in real trouble.
I think this commitment to winning, he constant efforts and spending make Jerry a lovable loser, but I am ready to win again. I hope this season shows Jerry that he needs a real coach and that Cowher rides into town this winter.
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You can't blame the recent lack of success on Jerry
He’s put this team in a perfect position to win the superbowl. He can’t control injuries, and the team playing soft. He’s invested millions of dollars to lock up the key players on this team long-term. If we have a new head coach it will be Jason Garrett not Bill Cowher.
by NDCowboy8 on Oct 22, 2008 12:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
he hired wade
then had wade hire Jerry guys as coaches (houck, campo, etc) if you think the team is well prepared, well coached, focused and motivated then thank jerry. otherwise, maybe JJ screwed up th decision that mattered most.
garrett has done nothing to show that he is ready to be a head coach
by 325424 on Oct 22, 2008 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Genius as an owner
and at the very least a pre-cancerous growth as a GM
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
by Seanrude on Oct 22, 2008 3:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
I love Jerry as an owner and how he opens his checkbook up wide to anyone whom he thinks can help Dallas win.
On the flipside, he admitted that he gets overzealous in his lust to have the Cowboys win.
But let’s call it like it is…He was never a football guy and wears the mask of football guy (GM) every day he comes to work.
I always wonder what this team would be like if Jerry hired a true GM to run the day-to-day operations and stayed out of the war rooms and such. Would Steven Jackson be a Cowboy? Would Brady Quinn? T.O.? Romo? Ware? I wonder if Wade would have ever been hired. Would we have hired an OC before the HC?
Makes me wonder…
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Oct 22, 2008 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jerry should be in the HOF as an owner
I know there are some GM Jerry partisans here, but given the crappy drafts post-Jimmy Johnson and pre-Bill Parcells, does anybody doubt that Jerry the owner would have fired Jerry the GM except for the fact they are the same guy and doing so would probably cause a rift in the time-space continuum?
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
by Seanrude on Oct 22, 2008 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jerry the Football Guy
"But let’s call it like it is…He was never a football guy and wears the mask of football guy (GM) every day he comes to work."
Really? Jerry Jones played high school football. Jerry Jones played major college football. Jerry Jones has been the General Manager of an NFL franchise for 20 years. Under his GM watch, the Cowboys have won three Super Bowls and he has positioned the team to compete at the highest level for the next five or so years.
The old school ‘journalists’ in the Dallas area refuse to admit Jerry Jones is a Football Guy because (1) he fired their buddies (2) they predicted that ‘this hick from Arkansas’ would be an unequivcal failure in the NFL and (3) they are all completely jealous of Jerry because he was able to live out their dream. Jerry Jones made them all look like fools and idiots and they will never forgive him.
Please tell me…..what would it take for you to consider Jerry Jones a football guy? 30 years of being a GM? Forty? Five Super Bowls? Seven? Or is your view of Jerry so set in stone that you will never consider Jerry Jones a football guy? Is Stephen Jones a Football Guy?
Sheesh. I really hate this ‘Not a Football Guy’ nonsense. C’mon. How does someone become a Football Guy if it isn’t through experience and success? Perhaps Jerry wasn’t a Football Guy when he arrived in 1989, but he sure as hell is now. He has had his successes and failures as a GM, as any Football Guy would over a twenty year period. But to imply that he is in over his head saying he is not a Football Guy is unacceptable.
by Cowboy Louie on Oct 22, 2008 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He drafted Quincy Carter
No football guy would have done that
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
by Seanrude on Oct 22, 2008 9:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well....
let’s be fair.
Jerry is a football guy. He won a national championship in college, he is a GM, etc…
but being a “football guy” doesn’t make you a good GM or coach (think of Bart Starr as the Packers coach) or Matt Millen as GM of the Lions
it’s not as simple as being a “football guy” or not. being a good GM is part scout, part poker player, part accountant and part psychologist. Scott Pioli’s football resume isn’t that impressive but he may be the best personnel guy in the league today.
so i would argue JJ is a the best owner for the league, an OK owner for Dallas, and towards the bottom of the league in terms of GM’s
by 325424 on Oct 22, 2008 11:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Out of respect for Grizz, and my desire to remain a BTB regular, I'll curtail my wrath of such absurd commentary i've read in this post...
And I’ll once again leave my logistical explainations to Cowboy Louie, by far, one of the most sensable, respected, and informed bloggers on this site to downplay the others opinions, or lack there of.
Not a football guy ?….Are you friggin kiddin me ? He’s the longest tenured GM in the NFL…He captained a national champion college football program, which in turns means he was a pretty damn good high school player as well, probably did the pee wee and pop warner thing too…..the way I see it , he’s been involved in organized football for well over 30 years…When does somebody become a football guy ? Better yet, ask yourself if the Patriots GM has any sort of football pedigree, playing experience, or success on the grid iron…compare resume’s…I’ll take Jerry over any GM in this league…….After 20 years of scouting combines, pre draft camps, and Valley ranch invites…I pretty much think he knows what he’s doing….He has assembled probably thee best, most talented roster in the history of the franchise, and now you question how he did it ???..If we were 6-1, I wonder if this posting would have been made………..Here’s some cake…you can eat it too……geezz..
A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.
"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones
by BoyzRback on Oct 23, 2008 1:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course he is the longest tenured GM in the league
Just who do you think is going to fire him?
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
by Seanrude on Oct 23, 2008 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And how do you think that interview went?
“So Mr. Jones…who would you draft as our heir apparent to Troy Aikman?”
“Well Mr. Jones, I like this guy named Quincy Carter, he’s not much of a QB, but he smokes a lot of pot and has a lisp and I think we can mold him”
“Outstanding Mr. Jones! You’re hired. And here’s a lifetime contract…just sign here. By the way, who should be our coach?”
“Oh it doesn’t matter. Barry, Chan, Campo, whoever. With the roster I will give them, we can even hire the coordinators first and the head coach will be nothing more than a figurehead!”
“You’re a genius, Mr. Jones.”
Thank you, Mr. Jones, I agree."
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Oct 25, 2008 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jerry isn't a GM
just ask yourself, if Jerry was on the open market, tell me what team would hire him as their GM… answer——nobody!!!
Just because you go to the combine and sit in on meetings with regards to the draft and stand on the sidelnines chatting it up with anyone and averyone, that doesn’t make you a GM that can judge talent…
Just look at Jerry’s drafts since Jimmy left and before Bill was hired….Jerry would of been fired a long time ago if someone else owned the cowboys
by Deke on Oct 23, 2008 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well then your response should have been
Jerry isn’t a qualified GM but he sure as hell is a GM and will be until the day he dies.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Oct 23, 2008 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hence the Title, Jerry isn't a GM
He gave himsef that title, that doesn’t make him one…….And he isn’t a football guy, he’s an oil guy
by Deke on Oct 23, 2008 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
He’s a football guy now. That’s why he’s made the NFL millions upon millions of dollars and has pretty much been the most influential owner of the past 25 years.
I think his drafting has been pretty decent for the most part. It’s his coach hiring skills that need touched up.
by mhuff13 on Oct 23, 2008 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
again, thats the business of football
not building teams on the field, that’s where a football guy is need in this franchise, jerry’s a business guy, not a football guy.
As Far as the business of football in promoting the league and team and creating revenue, nobody comes close to Jerry, but business of football is different than the business of putting a football team together.
by Deke on Oct 23, 2008 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And you don't think we have a talented team?
I think Jerry’s done a FANTASTIC job of putting a winning football team together.
He just needs to hit on the coach to bring that talent together.
by mhuff13 on Oct 23, 2008 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Never said we didn't have talent
Talent alone doesn’t insure winning and going out and paying out big somes of money on players doesn’t insure winning either. A Tough no nonsense in charge coach is what this team needs…not a dufus….
When Jerry hired Bill Parcells, who was in charge of hiring and changed the way the draft, scouting department and organization was run, the drafts and team got better, it that a coincidence, I think not… See the same direction in Miami going on now, but many will say it’s not Bill. He only has a long track record of turning teams and franchises around..
I’m as fustrated as any other cowboy fan the way this team has performed this year. they’re a disgrace!!! II wasn’t a fan of Wade Phillips, I never liked easy going coaches, this team has taken on the personality of its coach, too easy going and too soft. The player have no respect for Wade, they know there’s no accountability because all the players know Jerry is running the show, not wade…
This team plays like they practice, something I dont like. You need tough practices, accountability and a coach that’s in charge dishing out penalties when players dont tow the line. Now there’s talk of Bill Cowher possibly being the next coach, but unless he’’s given full reign to call the shots and holding the players accountable, it would be a waste of time because Jerry underminds the coach with his comments and action with this team. Jerry should not be given injury updates with this team, in fact he is on TV too much giving his opinions..
I’m a big fan of coaches like Jeff Fisher and Jimmy Johnson….that’s the kind of coach this organization needs
by Deke on Oct 23, 2008 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jerry Jones WANTED Jeff Fisher (was rumored)....and i'm sure he still does, but Fisher signed an extension...
Fisher is what this team needed…..It’s about timing, and about what coaching prospects were available after Bill Parcells unexpected departure……I’d like anyone here to name a better coach that was available at that time, that would have been a better hire, and more qualified than Wade Philips….It’s a shame that everyone on this site is just bitching, but nobody has absolutely nothing to offer in way of a solution……….just a bunch of old hens bitchin’ bitchin’ bitchin’………shoulda coulda woulda’s ….makes for great reading…………….not
A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.
"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones
by BoyzRback on Oct 23, 2008 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Singletary
he might not have had that much experience, but he would have been a better hire than Wade because he’d have this team motivated and ready to play up to their potential every week.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Oct 23, 2008 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That may be true terry
but the fact was that Jerry wasn’t going to hire someone with no head coaching experience after the chan Gailey experience.. I would of had no problem with Wade Phillips as the defensive coordinator with the cowboys, but not as the head coach
by Deke on Oct 23, 2008 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
or Sparano
Miami has done more w/Sparano, Ireland and a roster that is the football equivalent of a Jack High hand than we have with Wade, Redball, and 13 Pro Bowl Players….
Jerry had Sparano, he could have had Haslett, he could have had Singletary, he could have had a lot.
He chose Wade.
I am amazed by the extent to which people here want to make excuses for JJ… This is a mess he created.
by 325424 on Oct 23, 2008 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh please.....hindsight works great with your idealology..huh...
Sparano wasn’t staying here..He was Parcells guy….next…Ireland was the best cut this teams made all decade…next…Haslett ? …oh , he has grow in stature NOW ?…sure looks good huh, after two miraculous games..formerly fired years ago by the hapless Saints…..next…Singletary ?….yee of no coaching experience what so ever ??…next…..Might as well go in house with Erik Williams or Dat …..all of your proposed canidates that were available, could’ve used Wade’s resume to wipe their azzs and still had a few pages left over……..please.
A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.
"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones
by BoyzRback on Oct 24, 2008 5:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok....so everyone is saying that Jerry the GM has done a fantastic job assembling an all star roster...but failed in assembling an appropriate coaching staff...
I would agree with that…..but does that really make him a terrible GM ? The same guy that hired Jimmy Johnson and Bill Parcells, obviously you can’t hit on them all…..btw….both of those hires were questioned at the time.
A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.
"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones
by BoyzRback on Oct 24, 2008 5:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1...sadly
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Oct 25, 2008 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
huh
just ask yourself, if Jerry was on the open market, tell me what team would hire him as their GM… answer——nobody!!!
3 super bowl wins to his credit. Someone would hire him..
"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"
by Wmillion on Oct 23, 2008 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
jimmy Johnson gets the credit for those three superbowls
Jimmy was the guy that hired the coaches, traded for players, drafted the talent, not Jerry..he just signed the checks
by Deke on Oct 23, 2008 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
When was the last time Jerry drafted a WR in the 1st round?
Detroit would take him…
by mhuff13 on Oct 23, 2008 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
do you really think that?
do you really think any other team in the NFL would hire Jerry as a GM?
i can’t imagine it?
by 325424 on Oct 23, 2008 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah...teams that don't have Roy Williams and 10+ remaining draft picks for next season...
A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.
"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones
by BoyzRback on Oct 24, 2008 5:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LMAO
did you really say he is the longest tenured GM?
You mean the job he gave HIMSELF?
Speaking of absurd commentary…
Again LMAO!
Please post more…I need the laughter in my life!
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Oct 25, 2008 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok funny man....Take Jerry Jones out of Dallas, and your new moniker would be
2Blings…..and hopefully you’d be following another team, cuz you sure aren’t true Cowboy fan material….your consistant pessimistic lambasting views of Jerry and this team have certainly brought down the spirits of this blog site to some extent, and your delibrate, and quite irrational rants are way overplayed…maybe you should follow another team, cuz Jerry isn’t going anywhere, and your commentary is old.
A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.
"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones
by BoyzRback on Oct 25, 2008 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
here is another quote
"Jones is great for the NFL, but sometimes you wonder if he’s bad for the Cowboys. Granted, no other owner in the league is more involved, engaged and invested in his team than Jones. Redskins owner Daniel Snyder tries, but he’s a poseur compared to Jones.
But that utter devotion to his franchise sometimes creates some blind spots. Jones admitted as much before the Rams game."
by 325424 on Oct 22, 2008 11:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the bottom line
is that Jerry will never hire a GM, he wants to run the show and believe me, if he actually thought he could coach, he would do that too.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Oct 22, 2008 8:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think league rules bar owners from coaching...
and I think he did list himself among the 500 people he thought could coach the cowboys to the superbowl…
by 325424 on Oct 22, 2008 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, that expalins why he hasn't tried it LOL
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Oct 23, 2008 6:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably right
Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Oct 25, 2008 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Jerry would make a great HC ...
A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.
"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones
by BoyzRback on Oct 23, 2008 1:14 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd like him to coach the Eagles
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Oct 25, 2008 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The real question is who REALLY gets credit for the drafts while Parcells was here
Do we believe those who say JJ was in charge, which is supposedly why we drafted Ware with the first pick instead of Spears?
Or do we believe the Barbie haters and say that was a Parcells pick?
Because that 2005 draft is one of beauty that any GM would kill for.
by mhuff13 on Oct 23, 2008 10:32 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i think no one will ever really know
for example…
Parcells may have been the force behind Spears, but he also was likely the guy behind Witten (TE, coaches son, etc). Parcells liked getting former players sons which helped with MB3 and hurt with Carpenter.
I think fighting over individual picks is tough and will end up being revisionist.
I think the only way to look at drafts and place blame / credit is by looking at them in their entirety.
Under Jimmy we had several great deep drafts that built the team (‘89-’92). Under Parcells we had a couple of great drafts (’03 & ’05). CTBoy did an incredible job writing about them recently:
In the 11 years in between Jerry had one and a half good drafts (’98 and ’94).
Even if you credit Jerry with a lot of the picks in the good drafts, something about the way Jimmy and Bill ran the organization made the drafts better / deeper. Maybe the scouting was better, maybe the human side of it was better (more Witten / Burnett / James types and fewer Bryant / Ross / Lattimore types). Maybe just hving someone credible to debate made Jerry make better decisions. Even if you say every draft is all Jerry, then you have to admit he did a lot better with serious help from Bill and Jimmy than he did with help from a weaker hand.
by 325424 on Oct 23, 2008 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But you could argue that last year's draft
Will end up being a petty deep draft.
Felix is already a stud. Jenkins and Scandrick are HUGE upgrades over Reeves and Jones. Martellus could be a force in the future. Choice is great on ST and gives us amazing depth at RB. Walden is the only pick not with us, and maybe we should have kept him for LB depth.
But that’s 5 that contribute now, and most of them could be huge for us in the years to come.
by mhuff13 on Oct 23, 2008 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
'96 - '03 drafts had much to do with Larry Lacewell and a weak scouting department....
As it was their responsible for charting, grading, and eventually advising Jerry Jones on who should be selected…..I love how guys up here continuelly throw that lean period 96-03 into the mix to make their argument, but none have mentioned the ’07 and ’08 drafts that were both A graded by the masses, and will eventually turn out to be two of the better drafts of past decade…..Give the man his due…and quit bitchin about what was done 5-12 years ago….I know i live for the present, and from what i see Jerry Jones has put together the best roster in football…..I have few beefs with what Jerry has done, keeping Brad Johnson for this season, and not stepping in on the D Coordinator decision, and choose Dom Capers….other than those two issues, Jerry has done everything possible to make this team a SB champion….
A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.
"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones
by BoyzRback on Oct 23, 2008 4:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah, Lacewell was horribe
you can’t put those drafts on Jerry unless you want to blame him for not firing Lacewell sooner.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Oct 23, 2008 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i guess i consider it the job of a GM
to build a strong scouting department and hire a good coach.
could you imaging [insert name here] is a great GM he just has a bad college and pro scouting department.
the buck stops with the GM.
its like no one would say “[name] is great head coach he just has a lousy OC, DC and Special teams coach….”
now as for the 07 / 08 drafts… i think both look good to very good. having said that its tough to evaluate a draft six to 18 months in (heck six months in derek ross was a player and antonio bryant looked great…)
part of my point is that jerry is bad at building an organization around him. so he surrounds himself with family and yes men. then things go to hell. then he hires a real talent who stands up to him and the organization works. once it starts to work, he decides he doesnt need anyone else and he could do it himself. he starts taking credit for everything and meddling. it becomes all I and no WE – its his right as the owner but so far it fails spectacularly. we have to at least admit that part of the 2007 draft was Ireland influenced. if jerry can replace good people with good people this wont be an issue. if jerry goes back to hiring family, dallas retreads, etc i think it will be tough for him to keep the organization strong
by 325424 on Oct 23, 2008 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Lacewell was incompetent, Jerry the GM should have advised Jerry the Owner to fire him
and the reason some of us use those post-JJ and pre-BP drafts in our grading of Jerry is because he was running those drafts
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
by Seanrude on Oct 23, 2008 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you cant judge a draft in the first two years
The blame of lacewell is also laughable, There have been many mentions of how Jerry was calling for players that the scouting department didn’t want selected, Larry Allen was not a Jerry guy, he had to be talked into taking him by three coaches and scouts. Quncy Carter was a Jerry pick, rated as a sixth rounder by lacewell, Jerry took him in the second round, two of many examples of Jerry running the show when he had no idea of what he was doing… The draft board was made, scouts and coaches left for a break, when they came back, players names were changed on the board by jerry.
by Deke on Oct 23, 2008 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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