Jerry Jones discusses the Pacman Jones incident
Jerry Jones just addressed the media about the Pacman Jones situation. It was a long press conference and Jerry talked about a lot of stuff. I'll try to sum it up as best I can.
- The Dallas Cowboys will not discipline Adam Jones in anyway because he did not break any team rule.
- Jerry described the incident as a case of Adam and his security guard Tommy Jones getting into a scuffle that was not that big of an incident. He described it as two guys, because of the amount of time they spend together, had gone beyond the professional and into a personal relationship. Because of that, they were involved in friendly, but obvious uncomplimentary banter, that escalated. At some point, the wrong thing was said and they got physical.
- The only damage was a piece of the vanity display in the bathroom.
- The league is investigating the matter and Jerry didn't want to give all the details because he didn't want to preempt the league's investigation.
- The incident was over by 11:15 PM or so and was not a late into the evening affair. Alcohol was consumed but Adam was not drunk.
- Jerry was disappointed in the incident.
- Jerry had given permission for Adam to go to the party because it was supposedly a private affair and a limited guest-list, so he thought it wouldn't be a problem. He never guessed that a problem would arise between Adam and one of his security team. He reasoned that he learned a lesson that when two people spend that much time together that it could turn into a personal relationship, a friendship and because they were friends, they could have playful arguments. And those could turn into something more like a fight.
- Jerry made a point that Adam has done everything that he has asked of him. He's passed drug tests three times a week for the past couple of years and whenever Jerry asked him not to go somewhere or do something Adam has never argued. Jerry has given him pages of places in the Dallas area that he should never go to. It was also revealed that Jerry handles all of Adam's finances.
- Jerry has no idea how soon the league will finish with their investigation and what the results of that will be.
So, what does everybody think now?
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Ron Burgundy aka Ed Werder just said that Adam went into Jerry’s office with a NFL League investigators which will report to Roger Goodell
Cowboys fan since 1978.. I was 3 years old
by Mullin on Oct 9, 2008 5:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
stay classy San Diego!!
I am sure Adam has been instructed on how the incident went down!!
"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"
by Wmillion on Oct 9, 2008 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boys wil be Boys
Just a couple of guys trash talking, probably started a little horseplay until one guy got too rough and the other took it personally. This happens all the time. Sounds to me like the Cop got the better of the athlete.
So if this off-duty Cop says “nothing happened” then nothing happened. But they probably did the smart thing in leaving or there would have been a police report and probably an arrest because most cops don’t like conversation unless they’re on TV.
Goodegg doesn’t have sufficient reason to discipline Adam this time around but I’m sure he’ll give him a Stern Reminder of the NFL’s expectations going forward.
by Doomsday on Oct 9, 2008 5:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
it happens
Especially over a game of Madden..
"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"
by Wmillion on Oct 9, 2008 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think I'll wait for the league Grand Pooba to make his dission!
Weather it be a no dission or a season changing dission, I will except it and go on; no negative thoughts in either direction.
by bad knees on Oct 9, 2008 5:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Knees is a great football guy
he just misses on the spelling sometimes. No big deal.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Oct 10, 2008 6:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm okay with it
My threshold is whether or not charges were filed. Since none were filed it should be a dead issue (but of course it won’t be). My only question is whether the guard will continue to escort Adam.
Signature! I don't need no stinking signature!!
by DerekSTheRed on Oct 9, 2008 5:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like Jerry
will consider rotating new guards in the future to prevent the “Stockholm Syndrome”.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Oct 9, 2008 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jerry stated in the presser
That the guard didn’t quit and he doesn’t plan to get rid of the guy.
"So you can’t stiff arm at all? What about the throat?"- Marion "Barbarian" Barber
by DC_fan on Oct 9, 2008 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
just let it go......blown way out of proportion.......Pac's gotta get his crap together..
This is disappointing, and i am pissed about it…But there is no substancial evidence that this can be construded as a league violation…Of course ESPN will suck every last drop out of this non issue, and will continue to smear Pac, Jerry, and the Cowboys…..Goodell needs to come right out and say he’s not happy about it, but it’s not an infraction of the agreement he had with Pac…and put an end to it all…quickly…Hopefully he or Jerry puts more restraints on him, like curfews, and mandatory AA counseling or something. Pac has to realize this isn’t just a 9-5 job, Jerry owns his ass, and should comply to whatever Jerry deems fit…..total lockdown would be appropriate…….douche bags over at BSPN are asking for his head and a lifetime ban…..what idiots…
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"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones
by BoyzRback on Oct 9, 2008 5:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
AA is an interesting point
several people apparently said he has real personality issues after drinking. That may be something they need to look at it.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Oct 9, 2008 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
It sounds like Pac’s problems arise from alcohol. For his own sake, I hope Goodell adds that caveat (attending AA) to his road to redemption.
Jerry has done about all he can do to keep Pac from screwing up, the rest has to be up to Pac. Obey the NFL rules and don’t put yourself in legal jeopardy.
Either walk the line and make millions, or screw up and get a job paying minimum wage. Seems clear to anyone with half a brain.
T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003
by APerfectStar on Oct 9, 2008 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pac-man
If he is tossed out of the leauge at any point will have the same fate as Rashan Salamm or Travis Henry
"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"
by Wmillion on Oct 9, 2008 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure seems likely
Lawrence Phillips, Maurice Clarett, etc. If he loses this dream job, I see him in jail within a few years. He won’t have the money or prestige to get out of any legal jams.
T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003
by APerfectStar on Oct 9, 2008 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
U hit the nail on da head, Boyz.
i co-sign on your following statement:
“…Jerry puts more restraints on him, like curfews, and mandatory AA counseling or something. Pac has to realize this isn’t just a 9-5 job, Jerry owns his ass, and should comply to whatever Jerry deems fit…..total lockdown would be appropriate…”
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by silverblue5 on Oct 10, 2008 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it'll bne an interesting dilemma for Goodell
On the one hand, as everyone above said, there’s not much here and any player without a track record would get no league attention. But Pacman still has a wanted poster out and Goodell doesn’t want other players to get the idea that he’s going soft. The third consideration is that the players’ union would have to support Pacman (if this is all there turns out to be to the story) and that will complicate matters as well.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Oct 9, 2008 5:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think there is one more factor
If Goodell bans Pacman as a result of this (which is very difficult to imagine), he is basically throwing him to the wolves. Won’t be long before he ends up in a Travis Henry situation if so.
I think at the most he’ll get suspended, but I really can’t see anything coming of this.
by grapejoos on Oct 9, 2008 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i just said something similiar
I couldn’t agree more..
"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"
by Wmillion on Oct 9, 2008 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I sort of disagree
I don’t think Goodell is concerned (or should be) about what happens to Pac if he is out of the league.
To me the awkward part of this decision is that Pac is on his last strike and is supposed to (I THINK) get the death penalty if he screws up again. While this is not good, its tough to throw someone out of the league for life for this weird scrap. Put another way, it is one thing to ban a guy for life for something that any other player would have been disciplined for, it is another thing entirely to ban a guy for life for something that you would ignore for anyone else.
by 325424 on Oct 9, 2008 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that's right
While I don’t think that Goodell is going to feel responsible for what happens to Pac if he’s out of the league, your second statement was what I was getting at. Goodell has pretty much painted himself into a corner in that any punishment coming to Pacman is going to be overwhelmingly severe, and this incident simply doesn’t warrant it.
by grapejoos on Oct 10, 2008 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm glad all you guys are being sensible about this.
I dont think this is all that serious.
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Oct 9, 2008 5:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Once again, don't underestimate Jerry's power with the league
He will make this disappear. He’s too valuable to Roger.
by mhuff13 on Oct 9, 2008 5:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
I totally agree. But my guess is that it’s more of a compromise than meets the eyes. It might all be swept under the carpet as far as the public and media is concerned, but behind closed doors I would not be surprised if Pacman had to sit down with Jerry and the two of them listen to Goodell read him the riot act on speaker-phone. (or maybe even in person yesterday?).
Bottom line – I have no doubt this incident was used to tighten the leash — in no uncertain terms. It was also used by Jerry as a learning experience, as motivation to encourage Pac’s new-found maturity (as fleeting as it is at times!) … and hopefully… ultimately… we’ll all be witnessing the slow education of a new Mr. Jones.
Amen?
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by DalaiLuke on Oct 9, 2008 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
I guess we’ll see how serious fairy boy Goodell really was when he said he was going to clean the trash up in the NFL.
by Joe_D on Oct 9, 2008 6:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Here's how serious he is...
When his most famous coach got caught cheating, he promptly destroyed the evidence so that nobody else could see just how bad it was…
by mhuff13 on Oct 9, 2008 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's get Congress involved...
In the past, that has seemed to be the next logical step. Lord knows they don’t have anything better to do…
by AikmanNailedMySis on Oct 10, 2008 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The worst part of it all
is that I can’t even watch Sportscenter anymore. I am so effing sick of BSPN’s attacks on the cowboys and this just gave them a fresh set of ammo.
Pac needs to pull his head out of his arse but this kind of stuff happens all the time. It’s not like he stabbed a teammate in the neck with scissors or anything.
by Billito on Oct 9, 2008 6:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I have to agree
They torch TO for “crying on the sidelines” and say relatively little about Texaco Burrass and his absolutely bizarre behavior. I have no respect for most of those guys. It’s like watching E! only with way fewer babes…
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Oct 9, 2008 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plax caught his fair share of crap w/ the NY Post, the Times and other local NYC media
Tar Heels football will surprise this year
by DalaiLuke on Oct 9, 2008 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha! I passed that threshold years ago
they were not christened BSPN for nothing.
when you’ve been in a dry land even a little dew looks inviting —Dave
"When you want to win a game, you have to teach. When you lose a game, you have to learn." - Tom Landry
by lee3022 on Oct 9, 2008 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah...
seems like it’s it was a bad decision but not a fatal one. I think it would set a bad precedent if he was suspended for an incident that he wasn’t arrested or convicted for. just my opinion. but his reputation surely must be considered. and i think another incident like this might warrant a suspension.
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by Tuna Helper on Oct 9, 2008 6:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
IMO there will be no more suspensions for Adam
Next one is permanent.
by mhuff13 on Oct 9, 2008 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Police Report
If this is all they’ve got, they’ve got nothing.
http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/10/09/pacman-jones-police-report/
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Oct 9, 2008 6:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
verbal argument even better.
"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"
by Wmillion on Oct 9, 2008 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Police Report
If this is all they’ve got, they’ve got nothing.
http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/10/09/pacman-jones-police-report/
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Oct 9, 2008 6:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You do realize this police report is fake?
Uhh all you have to do is read any AP story to know that the hotel is titled, the “JOULE” hotel. Luckily I only had to read the first line to determine it was fake, sorry you guys wasted your time.
by DieSlowKeyshawn on Oct 9, 2008 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you have any other support for that?
Just curious. I could definitely see someone putting “Jewel” by mistake instead of “Joule”. That said, I thought there was no police report filed here, so this is a little confusing to me. But, in my opinion, it looks pretty real.
by grapejoos on Oct 10, 2008 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it is real, unless DMN is wrong too
http://cowboysblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2008/10/police-report-from-hotel-incident.html
"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"
by Wmillion on Oct 10, 2008 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Suspension or not I can't help but think everyone involved is dissapointed!
From the Commish, to Jerry, all the way to every Cowboy fan. Are we just fulling ourselves or is there really hope Attackman can change his spots? I mean it only take 1 bad dission at the wrong time to change anyones life and how much is that magnifide in Adam Jones case?
This is not a judgement of a person, just a observation of life in general. Like the old saying goes " Life is 10 percent situation you are presented with and 90% of how you react to the situation " ( I know thats not really it exactly, but thats the jest of it)
by bad knees on Oct 9, 2008 6:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh I am sure
And reminded how volatile this guy really is..
"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"
by Wmillion on Oct 9, 2008 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think we're that deluded
I think Pacman can, and in many ways has changed his spots. This is TAME by his standards. The problem is that he has no margin for error. Other players have done this kind of thing a lot, but they don’t have Pacman’s rap sheet or zero-tolerance situation.
I’m not saying the guy is smart or reacts well to good situations. I think he has thuggish tendencies and obvious emotional problems. But I think he is not a lost cause.
by grapejoos on Oct 9, 2008 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Feels like Jerry is telling it clean
so I don’t expect any more to come. Remember Jerry pays both witnesses.
when you’ve been in a dry land even a little dew looks inviting —Dave
"When you want to win a game, you have to teach. When you lose a game, you have to learn." - Tom Landry
by lee3022 on Oct 9, 2008 7:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
one more thing
how did it change from something that occurred at 1:30am yesterday to 11:30pm today? that’s a big difference IMO, and I’d love to know which is correct. if what JJ said is true, it’s even more proof of the MSM’s bias against the ’Boys
by strobman on Oct 9, 2008 9:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
seems like the police weren't called
until 1:30, so that was what was first reported, but the incident occurred over 2 hrs earlier
by scottmaui on Oct 9, 2008 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm surprised how much Jerry stuck is neck out for PacMan...
The fact that there was an incident is much more disheartening once you consider all of the measures that Jerry took to make sure an incident did not happen. I would be personally offended more than anything if I were Jerry.
by GhettoBear04 on Oct 9, 2008 10:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If Jerry is offended, he is stupid
Which he is not. He knew what he was getting into. He’s trying to turn someone’s life around, while at the same time profit from it. It’s called risk/reward. Jerry is the King of this.
by mhuff13 on Oct 9, 2008 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ironic
that the measure taken to avoid an incident (bodyguard) actually ended up being directly involved in the incident…
by scottmaui on Oct 9, 2008 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea, if I were Jerry, I'd be doubly pissed at this cop...
It’s obvious Pacman has issues, but you’d think the bodyguard could figure out how to avoid fisticuffs!
I am not taking anything away from Pac’s poor decision-making, but come on, gentlemen, this is pathetic.
Tar Heels football will surprise this year
by DalaiLuke on Oct 10, 2008 12:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
just cut him
Jenkins and Scandrick can play just as well, we don’t need these stupid distractions all season.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Oct 10, 2008 11:23 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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