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K.C. Joyner Blogs the Cowboys

Long-time blog friend K.C. Joyner, the author of the Football Scientist series and a regular with ESPN.com and now with the New York Times, takes a lot of his time to discuss the Dallas secondary, T.O. and Roy Williams, Tony Romo and how Flozell Adams' and Kyle Kosier's injuries have hurt the Cowboys' offensive line:

K.C. Joyner Interview I - 11/14

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Joyner is a beast

that is CLUTCH. Thanks.

Jindal '12

by Longhorn on Nov 13, 2008 10:49 PM CST reply actions  

Friends in High Places

I love it!

"When it's third and ten, you can take the milk drinkers and I'll take the whiskey drinkers every time." -Max McGee (I know he wasn't a Cowboy, but that's gotta be my favorite football quote)

by BigDinSC on Nov 13, 2008 11:19 PM CST reply actions  

And I think we all know how great cowbell is.

"When it's third and ten, you can take the milk drinkers and I'll take the whiskey drinkers every time." -Max McGee (I know he wasn't a Cowboy, but that's gotta be my favorite football quote)

by BigDinSC on Nov 13, 2008 11:40 PM CST up reply actions  

awesome

great stuff, thanks! (I’m just curious about the metrics on Scandrick, too.)

by scottmaui on Nov 14, 2008 12:06 AM CST reply actions  

Really good stuff!

by DooSTan on Nov 14, 2008 12:21 AM CST reply actions  

"no reason to think his vertical prowess has dropped off any"

yeah, I’m sure Jess doesn’t think so either. sorry, i couldn’t resist.

by scottmaui on Nov 14, 2008 12:29 AM CST reply actions  

ZING

"When it's third and ten, you can take the milk drinkers and I'll take the whiskey drinkers every time." -Max McGee (I know he wasn't a Cowboy, but that's gotta be my favorite football quote)

by BigDinSC on Nov 14, 2008 12:32 AM CST up reply actions  

+1

"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"

by Wmillion on Nov 14, 2008 10:37 AM CST up reply actions  

cool

Thanks Rafael, just downloading it now, but I’ve used my Gigs for the month so the connection is crawling…

by Luke. on Nov 14, 2008 2:54 AM CST reply actions  

finally got it...

Nice, most of us have already come to these conclusions but it’s nice to here an actual decent analyst (as opposed to corporate analysts e.g. "T.O. frowned in a team meeting, how much longer can the team put up with his behavior?") confirm what most fans suspected.

I hope that Jenkins maintains his spot and continues to improve as we move towards the playoffs (hopefully). Rookies need time and Jenkins is playing as well as Henry (if not better) right now and he has much room for improvement where as Henry is what he is, old, injury prone and getting slower. Jenkins getting comfortable at the end of the year is more valuable than Henry right now.

by Luke. on Nov 14, 2008 5:08 AM CST up reply actions  

GLAD TO SEE

the blueandsilverreport.com’s regular feature— i’m a avid lurker/sometimes poster of both blogs and this is by far one of my fave features

'he nails an open three from the corner....just like you and me, this one was made by penetration' - Truthaboutit - Round 1 Game 5 Recap

by KD Drummond on Nov 14, 2008 4:51 AM CST reply actions  

Raf thanks for bringing this in

I always loved reading these on your other site(s). Joyner brings a take that almost no one else can approach. Great, great stuff.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Nov 14, 2008 5:47 AM CST reply actions  

KC sometimes gets a little too much tunnel vision

He spent some time taking shots at Roy williams because he was not happy in Detroit. Well DUH of course he was not happy in a lousy losing franchise that kept screwing up.

by burmafrd1944 on Nov 14, 2008 8:10 AM CST reply actions  

KC's Good Stuff

Glad to get this before the big game. KC has clearly passed up Football Outsiders for me in terms of stat-based football analysis. FO still does a decent job, but their prediction engine has been WAY off on the ‘Boys two years in a row now, and their DVOA #’s aren’t really valid in midseason because opponent adjustments are still in flux. KC’s metrics seem more reliable at this point, although football still has a long way to go before it’s statistically modeled as well as baseball is.

by Tim Wilson on Nov 14, 2008 8:14 AM CST reply actions  

Tim, in my opinion...

Football outsiders has gone the path of Ed Werder, looking for the sensational angle of every story. Give me the facts, I will form my own opinion based on that.

Some of that is necessary to keep the entertainment value at a reasonable level, but when every story has to have “ramifications” so the rest of the national market will stay tuned, you lose me.

The last article I read by FO was a complete Dallas bash job, I was very surprised. You probably read a piece on the DMN blog where they called the fans winers?

by rha on Nov 14, 2008 8:53 AM CST reply actions  

Yeah, that makes sense a bit in terms of their move away from fact-based articles— now that they’re writing for ESPN and getting larger exposure, they do a bit of the sensational stuff to drive hits.

I read the “Five Downs” they do with DMN every week, and I generally find KC’s opinions on our team (especially our secondary) much more grounded in fact, and FO’s stuff increasingly grounded in solely opinion.

I will say that I still much prefer them to ESPN, and that the “Audibles at the Line” feature they do every week where they have a running e-mail dialogue going while watching the games is always entertaining and gives me a good take on the games I can’t watch.

by Tim Wilson on Nov 14, 2008 10:17 AM CST up reply actions  

I agree Tim,

I didn’t even bother reading the entire article for their latest DMN Blog entry by FO. The lines about each player sounded to be based on opinion and that is what Timmy Tabloid MacMahon just loves to post.

Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!

by cowboy78 on Nov 14, 2008 10:43 AM CST up reply actions  

Don't confuse me with facts

Our culture values splash much more then it does in-depth analysis. We consume sound bites and headlines while we skim any thing over a page. As a whole, we hate to contemplate for more then a moment. The overriding message is don’t confuse me with facts. Just tell me what it all means, and I’ll tell you if I am buying. Even when the purpose of the analysis is to help executives make multi-million dollar decisions that impact the future of their organizations most want 300 pages of facts and analysis boiled down to a 120 word power point presentation or a two page executive summary with a glossy cover sheet.

Most sports fans want the same thing and the mass media complies. KC Joyner’s USA Today work does not going to resemble the hard core stuff found in his books. If it did, they would not publish it. Even here we get complaints when someone writes a piece that is mostly facts without clearly spelling out the ramifications in a nice summary paragraph.

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Rafael,

Thanks for getting the interview and for having a great set of questions. Since Dallas needs to score often to win consistently, we need a healthy offensive line. Do we know if Flozell is healthy at this point?

by Trey, on Nov 14, 2008 11:48 AM CST up reply actions  

Amen brother

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Nov 15, 2008 8:51 AM CST up reply actions  

Thanks Rafeal

Great job

Cowboys fan since 1978.. I was 3 years old

by Mullin on Nov 14, 2008 12:57 PM CST reply actions  

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