Felix Jones to be placed on injured reserve

First!

We drafted Tashard for a reason its about damn time this kid gets his opportunity. Everyother player from this draft that has been given a shot has shined.

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by stoproyce on Nov 20, 2008 1:51 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Froma GT alum and diehard Tashard Fan

Once you give choice a chance you won’t go back. When I see what Forte has done in Chicago, that could have been Choice as well.

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by Jaxon on Nov 20, 2008 3:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

$#!+

Sux.

Smart move by da King to draft T-Choice.

This pi**es da he** out of me.

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by silverblue5 on Nov 20, 2008 1:53 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

I feel like

I’ve been punched in the gut…ouch!

by DavidH22 on Nov 20, 2008 1:54 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Too bad Denver just picked up Tatum Bell.

He be a nice backup for Marion since the coaches refuse to use Choice.

by houseofprime on Nov 20, 2008 1:54 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

I was all for picking up Bell during the last offseason before the draft because of his speed and versatility

but he probably would of stole a couple of lombardi trophies in a duffle bag……..

by Deke on Nov 20, 2008 3:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Haha you're right.

by houseofprime on Nov 20, 2008 3:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

lol...Deke ....Bell and Pacman would end up holding' up a bank...No thanks..

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"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones

by BoyzRback on Nov 20, 2008 4:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

But yes

this had better mean more playing time for Tashard Choice. I think he has shined in his limited opportunities at RB. He’s even been an occasional playmaker on special teams.

Damn they’ve suffered some significant injuries this year…

by DavidH22 on Nov 20, 2008 1:56 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Is anyone else

having flashbacks to Mike Sherrard? I hope there are no similarities…wtf happened to his GD toe during rehab?!?!

by DavidH22 on Nov 20, 2008 1:57 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

He hurt it trying to make a cut.

From what I understand he stumbled making a cut during rehab and his toe rolled under his foot or something.

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by Brandon Worley on Nov 20, 2008 2:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

How does that happen in a cleat?

by hiafex on Nov 20, 2008 2:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Heck if I know..

It sounded like speculation. We do know that he hurt his toe,while cutting, while rehabbing, and it wasnt related to the Hammy.

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by Brandon Worley on Nov 20, 2008 2:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

It happens...and it's very painful...stretched ligiments....still affects me today, 15-20 years later..

I hope it doesn’t linger for him, as i’m sure he’ll have the best medical treatment available to him….but being his left big toe, his primary cutting foot, it kills me thinking about it….The dude is going to be a star, and this could be something that hinders him his entire career….

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"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones

by BoyzRback on Nov 20, 2008 4:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Once the ligament is sprained or torn

It doesn’t become tight like it was before… it becomes lax and this type of thing would happen all the time… like an ankle sprain…

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by Mullin on Nov 20, 2008 6:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

is that same

with a shoulder/ rotator cuff?

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by Wmillion on Nov 21, 2008 2:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

excuse me for a moment

i may need to go yell into a pillow or something. that’s ridiculous. i defended the strength and conditioning team all season. he did this during rehab. that’s on them!

I commented. You're welcome.

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by bulldog jeeper on Nov 20, 2008 2:07 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

It wasn't the hamstring though

Dunno how you could blame that on the Strength and Conditioning team since it wasn’t a pre-existing injury. Unless they’re lying to us. :]

by hiafex on Nov 20, 2008 2:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

you're excused

The injury actually happened when Felix was testing his knee while running and changing directions when he stumbled jamming his toe, so it had nothing to do with the strength and conditioning coach Joe Juraszek. It was just a freak accident… but this team certainly has the injury bug this year. The football gods aren’t looking down favorably on the cowboys when it comes to these injuries, I guess it’s payback for the recent years of few injuries..

by Deke on Nov 20, 2008 3:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

come on

this is not good

by carsondude on Nov 20, 2008 2:08 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

I feel

sick to my stomach.

We need to pick up or move up someone who is a speed threat in the backfield to counteract Barber. Not only to give him a breather, but to make D’s adjust.

…can Choice be that?

by Kansas on Nov 20, 2008 2:15 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Oh, man. Here we were bragging about how Felix was a better pick than Rashard once Rashard got injured.

by ym on Nov 20, 2008 2:15 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

He is STILL the better RB.....period..before and after the injury...

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"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones

by BoyzRback on Nov 20, 2008 4:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Hambrick just arrived in Dallas.

…..just kidding. Time to show us what you got Choice!

by goat3000 on Nov 20, 2008 2:16 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Opposites!

Now there’s an image of two exact opposites – Barber, who bulls over / through would-be tacklers and Hambrick, who gets tackled when a defender passes wind …

Uh, no thanks…. =)

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by Raul Villaronga on Nov 20, 2008 2:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

i just threw up

but suddenly, you’ve made the loss of Felix not seem so bad

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by KDP on Nov 20, 2008 2:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Hambrick arrived in Dallas AND brought some coke!

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by SSreporters on Nov 20, 2008 2:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Bummer

If Choice can just come in enough to spell Barber and keep him fresh we’ll be alright.

Its not like we’re lacking in playmakers on Offense.

What really concerns me, is who’s returning kicks now? Our 2 best guys Austin & Felix are out…does Stanback worry anyone else? I just don’t know…

by TLCM on Nov 20, 2008 2:19 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Choice can do it

THe coaches need to have faith in him and let him know that he is now a vital part of this team. As much as this sucks, at least Choice has fresh legs.

by Billito on Nov 20, 2008 2:20 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

I loved Choice on every run i've seen thus far.....WP said he's gonna be getting more carries...starting this week...

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"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones

by BoyzRback on Nov 20, 2008 4:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

In other injury news

Brady Quinn’s index finger on his right (throwing) hand is broken, but he finished Monday’s game and will reportedly not miss any time.

I am not casting aspersions, but I wouldn’t mind an analysis as to why one QB with a broken finger on his throwing hand would miss 4 weeks while another would allegedly not miss any time. One was a pinky, another was an index finger. The break on one was the 5th metacarpal, the other the distal phalange (or tip). Both digits seem pretty important to throwing a football, and both injuries seem pretty painful.

The Browns may be bluffing, maybe Quinn will miss time. Recall Romo playing head games as to whether he’d play against the Rams or not, but then backing off because it took too long to get the football in the proper grip placement.

I am just trying to figure things out. Is there a doctor in the house (blog)?

by DavidH22 on Nov 20, 2008 2:22 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

the break wasn't on Romo's finger

the 5th metacarpal is actually in your hand, not your finger, so in reality Romo has a broken hand, not finger, not sure why it was ever reported as such.

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by Terry on Nov 20, 2008 2:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

ah...

Thanks for the clarification.

by DavidH22 on Nov 20, 2008 2:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm not a doctor...

… but I did stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night …

Seriously, I posted an image within the past week on another thread about where the bone is located – it’s in his hand. I’ll repost the link once I track it down…

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by Raul Villaronga on Nov 20, 2008 2:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

5th Metacarpal

Here’s the link I posted showing where the 5th metacarpal bone is located.

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by Raul Villaronga on Nov 20, 2008 2:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Thanks

+1

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by TheHeat on Nov 20, 2008 2:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Usually when someone breaks the 5th metacarpal

It’s called a “Boxer’s Fracture” and is named because you break it by throwing a punch incorrectly

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by Mullin on Nov 20, 2008 4:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

.....but hey...I knocked the dude out..

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"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones

by BoyzRback on Nov 20, 2008 4:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Ummm...my post cut chopped..I had the so called "Boxer's Fracture" ...and that was NOT what Romo had....

He fractured his pinky just above the knuckle…boxer’s fracture is below the knuckle..

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"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones

by BoyzRback on Nov 20, 2008 4:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Go here for more info

http://orthopedics.about.com/cs/upperfx/g/boxers.htm

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by Mullin on Nov 20, 2008 6:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

his fracture was below the knuckle

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by Terry on Nov 20, 2008 8:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

That's why they didn't call it

A boxer’s Fx….

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by Mullin on Nov 20, 2008 9:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Ron "Jaws" clearly stated the injury game day the fracture was between the the knuckle and the upper flexable joint...

a boxer’s fracture is the outside of your palm….not requiring the splint that Romo was wearing…

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"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones

by BoyzRback on Nov 21, 2008 3:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm only going by what Raul reported

I’m going to take his word over Jaws

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Nov 21, 2008 7:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

... and

I got it from the Cowboys website, DMN and CBS Sportsline. Now, I’m not saying they’re lying, but stating it as a fracture to the 5th metacarpal isn’t the same as stating that someone has a strained ligament, which could be anything from a pull to a tear.

They were very specific, and I think that says something.

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by Raul Villaronga on Nov 21, 2008 5:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Hey Raul

To be medically correct, you sprain ligaments, you strain muscles and tendons…

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by Mullin on Nov 22, 2008 4:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

let's just say it was his pinky knuckle joint and leave it at that.......either way, he's healed and has lots of work to do getting us to the promised land...

i just know it wasn’t a “boxers fracture” is all..

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"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones

by BoyzRback on Nov 21, 2008 9:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Mullen is our resident medical professional....

Index finger is FAR more important in the throwing proccess though…I can tell you that…especially the tip…I’d be impressed if he were to play through that………

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"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones

by BoyzRback on Nov 20, 2008 4:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I WAS Having A Great Day...

Losing a difference maker like him is very painful. Let’s see what Choice can do. He was a leader in college and, if given a significant role, could help this team come together.

by GhostofGaryHogeboom on Nov 20, 2008 2:23 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Does Choice Have Blocking Problems?

That’s the only expaination I can have for his startling lack of carries since Felix went down. A lousy pass blocking tailback (read: Julius Jones, whatshisname from last year) can ruin a drive.

by GhostofGaryHogeboom on Nov 20, 2008 2:25 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Boy this really sucks..you know what!

Felix really made our offense unstoppable, now we’re going to missing that explosive threat out of the backfield.

Really bummed out

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by Terry on Nov 20, 2008 2:27 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

I’m pro-Choice.

by ym on Nov 20, 2008 2:28 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

ha-ha-ha. nice.

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by silverblue5 on Nov 20, 2008 2:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Me too! :D

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by Nelson... on Nov 20, 2008 8:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Why would Dallas use Choice more now?

It’s now like they were using him much on offense in Felix’s absence, which makes no sense to me.

by WestTxHornFan on Nov 20, 2008 2:31 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

exactly

i know we give the coaching staff crap, but we need to be realistic. There’s no way they wouldn’t have been using Choice if there wasn’t a reason.

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by KDP on Nov 20, 2008 2:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

not so sure about that

The coaching staff didn’t use Felix Jones at all in the first Redskins game, did they have a “reason” for doing that? It doesn’t appear so, aside from being stupid.

by DavidH22 on Nov 20, 2008 2:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

they only ran Barber a handful of times

that was just simply a HORRIBLE game plan. The issue (IMHO) with Felix not being used more, overall for the season, is Garrett’s overthinking of how to set up the opponent for later in the game. For instance in this last game the whole, toss to Barber to the outside for the first three quarters then bang up the middle in the fourth, worked.

To me, when you have talent like Barber and Felix, you don’t need to disguise what you are doing. Just let the talent win out.

Choice is different. You don’t gameplan him much differently than you would Barber. IMO again of course. Then again, I might have just talked myself into believing the coaching staff says to themselves, he’s just like Barber, might as well keep Barber in.

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by KDP on Nov 20, 2008 3:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm leaning more on the fact they are "stupid".....poor utilization of talent and depth....a clear flaw of Garrett's and Wade for that matter.

He even stated in his presser today that he likes to use his stars as much as possible…He didn’t mention any liabilities of using Felix or Choice besides that they are young rookies…Now there is no excuse to give Choice 5-10 carries a game…or more if he’s going off……and we’re in a comfortable lead…

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"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones

by BoyzRback on Nov 20, 2008 4:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

400 touches is

too much for the style of runner Barber is….We have to bring someone in to help Choice take some carries from Barber or we will be looking for a new starting RB in a couple of yrs. There has got to be someone out there or on a practice squad who can get 4-7 carries a game and be able to come in if someone gets injured.

by jvw on Nov 20, 2008 2:39 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

NOOOOOOOO

I have spent many an hour dreaming of what Felix would bring back to our offense. I wanted the Giants D to have to worry about him in the backfield and in the slot.

This sucks. What a loss….

by Philosopher on Nov 20, 2008 2:39 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Thats really some bird dodo.

by coolaid on Nov 20, 2008 2:39 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Alanzo Coleman?

Does he get the call now?

by Ridgelake on Nov 20, 2008 2:39 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

In theory the offense should still function well

sure we lose an explosive player….Austin too for a few weeks at least. Those two have probably been our two best big-play players in 2008. But even without those two, this offense is still the one that scored a ton of points last year, plus they have an increasingly involved Roy E Williams and a wildcard in Tashard Choice.

by DavidH22 on Nov 20, 2008 2:45 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Not to mention

a second tight end in rookie Martellus Bennett who has demonstrated big-play ability repeatedly so far. His receptions include catches of 20, 38, 33, 34t, 24 and 25t yards.

by DavidH22 on Nov 20, 2008 3:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

yes and alot of those are YAC

by WestTxHornFan on Nov 21, 2008 12:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Julius Jones, Part II?

anyone? even a little worried?

by BuckyB on Nov 20, 2008 2:45 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Nah, Felix can actually hit holes and take it to the house

Ohh, you mean the injuries. Well, Felix wasn’t injury prone in college (at least I don’t think so) and JJ was. So this is only 1 season. If it happens again next year, I’ll be worried.

by mhuff13 on Nov 20, 2008 3:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

It sucks

But we have 2 Pro Bowl Wr’s, A Pro Bowl RB, and a the best TE in football we will be fine.. He is was an extra element, but we still haven’t figured out how to properly utilitize some of the other options..

We will be fine and we should still lead the league in scoring..

The biggest element was his ability to return kicks.. I hope Stanback steps his game up in the return game..

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by Wmillion on Nov 20, 2008 2:49 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

someone just urinated in my kool-aid...

i’m depressed….

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by Tuna Helper on Nov 20, 2008 2:49 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!

very unfortunate. From potential Rookie of the Year to Injured Reserve. We can’t catch a break. I was looking forward to having a fresh Felix Jones for the latter part of the season and the playoffs. Felix added a completely different dimension to our offense. Sucks big time.

by bryangene on Nov 20, 2008 2:50 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

not to mention

the excitement Felix brought every time he touched the ball. I’d be at the edge of my seat or standing up each time he got his hands on the ball.

by bryangene on Nov 20, 2008 3:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

+1 bryan....I was licking my chops, and foaming at the mouth with anticipation of my boy Felix coming back this week....

There is my low light of the entire season….not the original injury, or the time missed, but knowing he’s not going to be there in the Meadowlands when we face the Giants for the NFC crown…..then in my backyard of Tampa when we’re winning our 6th Lombardi trophy……this sucks..

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"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
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by BoyzRback on Nov 20, 2008 5:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I've never seen any NFL season with so many key players on IR.

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by SSreporters on Nov 20, 2008 2:53 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

one of the reasons why I'd like to see the rosters expanded from 53 to 58 60 players.

you lose one or two players and your team is really thin

by Deke on Nov 20, 2008 3:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

+1 Deke....roster most definately need to be expanded.....especially if/when they decide to go to 18 games seasons/ in lue of exibitions games..

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"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones

by BoyzRback on Nov 20, 2008 5:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Dictator Goodell addressed this......

……when he was interviewed on (Jim) “Rome Is Flaming” and said they would indeed expand the rosters if they changed the schedule to 18 games.

by MadMick on Nov 20, 2008 5:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

+2

open up the roster..

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by Wmillion on Nov 20, 2008 5:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I hope they don't up the number of games.

If we think teams suffer an onslaught of injuries now….

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by Nelson... on Nov 20, 2008 8:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

?? I wish they would play 20 games.....I need football year round........

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"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones

by BoyzRback on Nov 21, 2008 3:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Tashard

is a good back. I’m a big FSU fan n he always killed us when we played him, he’s big enough to break tackles and fast enough to make plays, he’s not going to blow by people on a constant basis, but he is a good back.. I believe n him

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by iCowboy on Nov 20, 2008 3:02 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

+1 iCowboy ....I've seen plenty of Choice at GT to know he's a NFL player...git 'em the damn ball...

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"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones

by BoyzRback on Nov 20, 2008 5:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Yes, we have playmakers, and

i’m not saying that we don’t, but losing Felix’s potential 10+ touches means that we either:

1. give barber more touches (challenge: wearing him out!/no fresh legs in the 4th Q)
2. give choice more touches (challenge: untested)
3. throw more (challenge: unbalanced Offense)

Throwing to RWII and TO are good alternatives but would require a change to what we were hoping to do with the Cat back. Perhaps it is a move back to last year’s Offense. I just worry about MB3’s stamina come December and, God help us, January on.

…maybe those reverses and quick outs will be a more prominent part of the Offense. I do like those short passes that function as 2-3 yard running plays.

by Kansas on Nov 20, 2008 3:05 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

The Choice is clear

Gotta go with more touches for the rookie to keep MBIII as fresh as possible. We lose the HR threat, but should do just as well with ball control, moving the chains. I’d suggest 8+ touches per game, mostly between the 30s. I’d rather do this than scan the waiver wire for a released vet. Those guys are released for a reason.

On kickoffs, go with Stanback until Pacman returns, then use him.

by VAfan on Nov 20, 2008 3:11 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

I like Choice and think he will answer the challenge. He runs hard and is not a fumbler. We have got to run the ball. The playoffs go though Giant Stadium and its windy as hell. Even more so when the opponents have the ball because they open the gates and let the wind in.

Choice knows he is the next man up and if he is at home he is probably in the living room working on his blitz pickup right now.

by squidlo97 on Nov 20, 2008 3:11 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Felix had...

30 touches in 4 1/2 games he played in ( I don’t say 5 1/2 because he didn’t touch the ball in the 1st Redskins game) That’s about 6-7 touches per game…

I wouldn’t mind getting Choice around 5 touches a game. If they don’t want him pass blocking, put him on the field in running situations near the middle of the field then. Also, we can use more empty backfield looks if you don’t want him blocking, and put 1 TE (witten) or 2 TE’s (witten and bennett) on the field with 3 WR’s… (t.o, roy e., and stanback)

If Barber is exhausted by the 4th quarter, we are taking away the best part of his game in being the FINISHER.

Consider me Pro-Choice as well ym

by commoncents on Nov 20, 2008 3:15 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Kick/Punt Returns

Crayton is Mr. Reliable back on punts, I’m not so sure I’d rather have a 4 week rested Pacman back there running side to side 60 yards for a 2 yard gain. Crayton gets about 8-10 yards every time, and catches the ball cleanly, which is fine by me.

Kick returns should have Stanback in there with either Jenkins or Scandrick. Both returned punts and kicks in college, and apprently both could find the endzone. I’d say who is lower on the depth chart between the two, and the player getting less reps with the defense will get more reps on the Kickoff Team.

by commoncents on Nov 20, 2008 3:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Mr. Reliable?

Or Mr. Fair Catch

by mhuff13 on Nov 20, 2008 3:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Fair Catches are

better than A) fumbles or B) running around side to side waiting for one of our special teamers to get a block in the back.

Pacman has way more upside, but Crayton has (knocking on wood) never fumbled on a punt. And I personally feel like our block in the back penalties increase exponentially as Pac runs around for 5-6 seconds after he catches it to go nowhere.

by commoncents on Nov 20, 2008 3:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Crayton has actually fumbled 3 punts

What Crayton has never done while returning a punt is take it for a TD.

by mhuff13 on Nov 20, 2008 3:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Will you guys please get off this nonsense that Pacman shouldn't be the damn Punt Returner...please

He’s the best damn punt returner in the game….He knows what he’s doing back there…..He can come off the streets tomorrow and still take one to the house……You saw a very limited portion of his game…and I blame any poor return of his primarily on the terrible block/punt return unit we throw out there each week…c’ mon now….Where are the Austin backers defending his terrible returns in recent past ???…He averaged 13 yards on Kick Off returns for pete’s sake……Every GREAT return man dances around back there looking for that right lane to shoot up…..Unfortunately, This return unit has NO friggin clue how to block for kicks…..I’d rather have Pacman running east and west 50 yards and ending up with a two yard gain, than see Mr. “Fair Catch” Crayton back there……….

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"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
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by BoyzRback on Nov 20, 2008 5:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Devin Hester

has exactly zero TD returns of any kind this season. If he can go through a drought so can a rusty Pacman.

by MadMick on Nov 20, 2008 5:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

awww....MadMick stole my thunder.....that was going to be my closing argument..

you put you best players on the field….Pacman is by far the best return man on this roster….use him……and i am sure they will……trust

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"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones

by BoyzRback on Nov 20, 2008 5:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Ugh

that hurts

by quincyyyyy on Nov 20, 2008 3:53 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

I know Grizz doesn't like foul language on the board but

#$% and )^! and a very loud $#)?

Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey

by Seanrude on Nov 20, 2008 3:54 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

3 punt fumbles???

Can you show me a link to that? I’m not saying you’re wrong, but I don’t remember them, nor can I find statistical proof of that…

I do have tangible evidence, however, that that crayton averages 11 yards on 7 returns, while AJ averages 5 yards on 16 returns… if this was 2 years ago, this wouldn’t even be a discussion, but its not… Therefore, I’m sticking to my opinion that it might be a better option to leave what is working

by commoncents on Nov 20, 2008 3:55 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

...

and i did see he has 4 career fumbles, only ever losing one, but none of which is stated as happening on a return.

by commoncents on Nov 20, 2008 3:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

He has 7 career fumbles, and lost one

He has 3 on punt returns. Granted, he does have a lot less than Pacman, who has fumbled 8 times on only 12 more returns (10 total, including kick returns), but has never lost one. Stats taken from NFL.com.

by Baked Potato Soup on Nov 20, 2008 4:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Here ya go, scroll down to Punt Return

http://www.nfl.com/players/patrickcrayton/careerstats?id=CRA820452

by mhuff13 on Nov 20, 2008 5:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Crayton has had 14 return opportunities.

Pacman didn’t have any fair catches, as he seems much more willing to take a chance than Crayton, which is why he is more dangerous. So, on 7 punts, Crayton got 6 more yards than Pacman’s average, and on 7 he got 5 yards less. I’d rather have a guy back there that is willing to take some chances and has the potential to make a big play.

by Baked Potato Soup on Nov 20, 2008 4:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

More dangerous to fumble the punt

Or to cut back and forth until Dallas gets called for a block in the back. Pac showed that he can’t get it done with our ST. Maybe its on him, or maybe it’s on the ST coach (probably). But either way, I’m not excited about him returning punts anymore.

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by APerfectStar on Nov 20, 2008 10:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Define working

I would rather take a chance of getting one taken back for a TD, and 6 yards less per…than to have ZERO chance of one going for a TD.

by mhuff13 on Nov 20, 2008 5:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

+1... last 3 seasons returning punts...Crayton calls a fair catch 44.6% < Pacman 13%

Crayton 3 returns over 20 yards < Pacman 11 returns over 20 yards
Crayton average per return 9.0 < Pacman 10.0 per return
Craytons returns for TD’s 0 < Pacman 4

You want more stats ??? ….nuff said.

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"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones

by BoyzRback on Nov 20, 2008 6:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

If the offense sucked, like it does in Chicago

I’d be on board 100%, but I have confidence in our offense. We don’t need to be risky on punt returns.
Crayton’s done fine. Not flashy, but effective.

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by APerfectStar on Nov 20, 2008 10:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Could the Pac-Man play running back?

He certainly shows an ability with the ball in his hands in traffic.

Could he be the reserve back Dallas needs?

by Urinal Mint on Nov 20, 2008 4:01 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Lunch Break

Nick, Derek and Josh actually had what I thought was a great idea for PacMan. They mentioned he was a surly person to deal with in interviews and believed his problem was maturity, and wasn’t that popular with the players. To make sure he’s learned his lesson in humility, they suggested he be put in to cover kicks.

I can take or leave him, regardless of how talented his is, but if he’s going to play, hand him the equivalent of the mop and bucket and tell him to earn his spot.

by kindablue on Nov 20, 2008 4:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Pacman will be on special teams..no doubt about it....WE NEED him back there.....cuz the 11 we have now sure can't do it right..

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"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones

by BoyzRback on Nov 20, 2008 5:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Pacman was an ALL American RB in high school....so yes....a few end arounds would be special...

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"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones

by BoyzRback on Nov 20, 2008 5:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

retraction...He wasn't a all american RB...He was Georgia conference "Player of the Year"

played both ways as a CB and RB….rushing for 1,850 yards his senior season at Westlake High School in Atlanta, GA.

I would have no problem at all putting Pacman in on some of those Lombardi sweeps…….as fast as Felix and just as shifty…..alot smaller though…..He’s more of a Steve Slaton type RB frame…..no bad at all..

Although I doubt Garrett has the creativity or the balls to use him in this capacity……

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"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones

by BoyzRback on Nov 20, 2008 5:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Any RBs on the practice squad

We definately need somebody who knows the offense a little. You don’t want to throw somebody back there who gets Romo killed due to a missed assignment

by CapitalT on Nov 20, 2008 4:24 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Alonzo Coleman

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by APerfectStar on Nov 20, 2008 10:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Injuries.....

They just keep rolling in outa nowhere.

This one hurts because we didn’t even see it comin.

by Prime-Time on Nov 20, 2008 4:32 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Man Crush

Your man crush on Pacman is unhealthy. Despite what he did two year ago his stats from this year are average. I like the depth he provides but Jenkins has been improving weekly and is more reliable. He is a cover corner. His Giant wiff(pun intended) was ugly but rookies get a few breaks on screw ups. If you really want a big hitter we could put Roy Williams at corner.

by squidlo97 on Nov 20, 2008 5:37 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Average stats?

Do you think that our mediocre special teams coverage units doesn’t translate to mediocre blocking in the punt return game?

by mhuff13 on Nov 20, 2008 5:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

you refering to me ??

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"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones

by BoyzRback on Nov 20, 2008 5:39 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Not so special teams

oops. I think the special team problems starts at the top and goes all the way down.

Craytons numbers are better with every thing else being the same. I dont like depending on a guy that is undependable.

I also wonder about what someone else wrote about. Do we indeed get more penalties blocking for Pacman than Crayton.

by squidlo97 on Nov 20, 2008 6:23 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Sure 11 is better than 5

But it will never be much more than that. Crayton has 7 returns for 78 yards. 33 yards in 1 return. So the other 6 returns got him 45 yards. So that there is 7.5 yards.

So you’re basically gaining a few yards per return, with NO CHANCE for a TD…or taking a few yards less per, and having a chance of a TD every time he touches the ball.

I’ll take option #2.

by mhuff13 on Nov 20, 2008 6:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

But...

AJ was also a shut down corner 2 years ago, is he shut down now? NO
AJ could take any punt to the house 2 years ago, can he now? NO

I saw the fumble stats on Crayton, (thank you for the link), and look when the punt fumbles were. Being 3-4 years ago.

Huff I completely respect your opinion, and I understand what your saying. But it’s my personal opinion that, Pacman running back and forth like an idiot on punt returns is going to result in more block in the back penalties than Crayton’s avg punt return (which is higher than Pac’s)

Personally, I hope Pacman messes up again before he even gets a chance to put the Dallas jersey on again. I was one of the biggest advocates for the signing, but the guy just doesn’t deserve to be in the NFL. He’s a waste of talent. He could be great, but he’d rather go get drunk, start fights, and sit in strip clubs all night then he would putting his nose in a playbook and sacrificing these nights for the good of his teammates who he should look at like family. I, for one, could do without a personality like, because I know and see the heart that other players have on this team. And if i was sacrificing my everyday for the team, I would want everyone that i’m sacrificing for to be doing the exact same thing for me. Is he really going to do this… only time will tell… but I’m going to have to go with…. NO WAY

by commoncents on Nov 20, 2008 6:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

How can you possibly expect a player to be the same after being away from the game for basically a season and a half

Just think what he could do for us if he stayed out of trouble (big if) in 2 years. He’s young, and supremely talented.

If you think that every team in professional sports don’t have guys that bust their tail everyday, and also have guys that don’t do what most others on their team do, you’re not paying attention. It happens everyday, on every team, in every professional sport.

I can’t argue with you about the off the field stuff, because he’s not proven that he can stay away from it. But here’s the 3 things that make me glad he’s coming back.

1. He’s cheap
2. He could pay HUGE dividends in a few years
3. Jerry says so

It’s Jerry’s money, and everyone knows that Jerry’s money is like his blood.

by mhuff13 on Nov 20, 2008 7:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

+1 ....btw....He was by far our best coverage CB on the field while he was active here earlier in the season...

not sure what you were watching…

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"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones

by BoyzRback on Nov 21, 2008 3:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

i was watching

a secondary that struggled time and time again at the beginning of the season. and speaking of putting your best players on the field, Newman’s better right now, than pacman right now at both CB and KR

by commoncents on Nov 21, 2008 11:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

might want to detract that statement now funny man.....there's bad karma for ya...

the secondary was struggling..not Adam Jones……11 pass break ups and a forced fumble, and what should have been at least 4 int’s……but oh well…..doesn’t matter now…does it..

A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.

"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones

by BoyzRback on Nov 21, 2008 9:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs