K.C. Joyner: Not All 6-4 Records are Created Equal

by Rafael Vela on Nov 21, 2008 12:03 AM CST

In this week's chat, K.C. Joyner and I discuss strength of schedule and how history suggests that Dallas' tough division will improve its post season chances -- if it can get there. We also discuss Wade Phillips late fades and emerging cornerbacks.

K.C. Joyner, 11-20

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1st!!

by Turbo73 on Nov 21, 2008 1:10 AM CST reply actions

well done turbo

personally, i like the “1st” tradition

I commented. You're welcome.

another transplant from The Blue & Silver Report

by bulldog jeeper on Nov 21, 2008 4:47 AM CST up reply actions

I don't mind it

and even if I did, I’m not that much of a control freak to try to make someone stop doing something I didn’t personally like.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Nov 21, 2008 6:47 AM CST up reply actions

this isn't tmz or perez hilton, no one gives a sh|t

by DieSlowKeyshawn on Nov 21, 2008 6:42 AM CST up reply actions

...about...

your personal opinions? I’d agree.

by Joey2zs on Nov 21, 2008 7:51 AM CST up reply actions

No, that someone was "1st" to spot a blog entry and felt the need to write "first!" Want a cookie?

by DieSlowKeyshawn on Nov 21, 2008 9:48 AM CST up reply actions

It's tradition

and I’m not first.

by birdness on Nov 21, 2008 12:39 PM CST up reply actions

It's tradition? Among gossip blogs. BTB is an areana for football discussion, not petty counting contests!

by DieSlowKeyshawn on Nov 21, 2008 1:53 PM CST up reply actions

This is a BSR tradition, and BSR was not a gossip blog.

by ym on Nov 21, 2008 2:55 PM CST up reply actions

exactly..

by Deke on Nov 21, 2008 3:42 PM CST up reply actions

BSR and now this site are the only blogs I read, so I've never seen it anywhere else

But if you read TMZ and Perez Hilton, I guess that’s your problem.

"When it's third and ten, you can take the milk drinkers and I'll take the whiskey drinkers every time." -Max McGee

by BigDinSC on Nov 21, 2008 4:14 PM CST up reply actions

Honestly

why exactly does this matter? Use the scroller on the mouse and move on.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Nov 21, 2008 6:12 PM CST up reply actions

On hundreds of sites across the internet, it’s a common, slightly annoying, sophomoric habit. It may have seemed like a tradition on the other site, but honestly, with how many other places it’s done, is it really a tradition worth keeping?

However, the worst thing is on sites like this one where the comments are threaded, so off-topic replies to a “first post” take up the majority of the space before you can scroll down to the real comments. So this is the last time I intend to contribute to that problem, and I suggest others who dislike the practice do the same.

by jrduncans on Nov 21, 2008 9:58 PM CST up reply actions

Well that explains it

I had a GREAT time as a sophomore…

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Nov 22, 2008 7:19 AM CST up reply actions

+1

by kameleon_o on Nov 22, 2008 12:10 PM CST up reply actions

T.O.

DMN has their weekly FO piece up, and one of their topics is TO’s production. My post is not about whether FO sucks, and why KC is better, it’s just about TO. What gives – can it all be explained by not having Romo for an extended period? Can this really be the same receiver that just at the beginning of this season we were reading posts on BSR about his uncoverability?

by Elberraco on Nov 21, 2008 8:33 AM CST reply actions

TO’s is just saying what most of us where saying (at least on the BSR) when we saw the offense sputter. He just tells what he sees.

by ym on Nov 21, 2008 10:09 AM CST up reply actions

Pardon my ignorance...

…but what is FO and KC?

Thanks!

"I got a fever. And the only prescription is more cowbell." -- Bruce Dickinson

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by silverblue5 on Nov 21, 2008 1:01 PM CST up reply actions

I'm assuming

Football Outsiders and KC Joyner??

In-YOUR-endo

by accidental innuendo on Nov 21, 2008 1:03 PM CST up reply actions

Oh. Duh. Somebody Please Slap Me Upside My Freakin' Head :P

Thanks AI!!!

"I got a fever. And the only prescription is more cowbell." -- Bruce Dickinson

www.brainfriednetwork.com [NEWS/SPORTS/FOOTBALL]

by silverblue5 on Nov 21, 2008 1:16 PM CST up reply actions

Back on topic.....

Very interesting interview. It was really cool to hear how various corners around the league are disappointments this year.

www.bloggingtheboys.com

by Brandon Worley on Nov 21, 2008 8:33 AM CST reply actions

About SOS

Interesting findings by KC. I’d like to see some of the hard numbers, but it does seem to lay to rest the idea that the teams in tough divisions just beat each other up all year which weakens them during the playoffs.

by DannyWhite on Nov 21, 2008 10:50 AM CST reply actions

Just like last year

when the Giants got beat up all the way to the SuperBowl

by birdness on Nov 21, 2008 12:40 PM CST up reply actions

Good Stuff as Always

I like Joyner’s work, but it seems his strength of schedule work is not as comprehensive or as well integrated as the Sagarin ratings, which were developed over two decades ago.

Rather than just looking at a team’s record in context with their division, Sagarin creates a complete mathematical matrix of every game, taking into account adjusted margins of victory and whether it was a road or home game.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/nfl08.htm

From what I’ve seen, it’s the best overall evaluation of a teams’ performance.

Which is not to say K.C.‘s work doesn’t have value. It does. He did the research to identify where Super Bowl winners have come from, which to my knowledge has not been done with Sagarin ratings. What would be worthwhile to see is if Sagarin data is a better predictor than simple won-lost records.

by kindablue on Nov 21, 2008 12:35 PM CST reply actions