Is this TO's final season as a Cowboy?
Well just as this team seemed to get its collective head above water and start making a run, TO shoots off his big mouth. He questions Redball's playcalling and blames his lack of production on the offensive system.
What bad timing. The guy has been a model teammate all season, especially under the duress of trying to catch wounded ducks from rubber-arm Johnson but this latest rant is totally uncalled for. I am sick of this kind of stuff and would have no problem cutting TO after this season.
His production has dropped off dramatically while his drama has not and now with RWII in the mix, he is not as vital a cog as last year. See how the guy plays the year out but I would have no problem next season with the boys rolling out RWII at #1, Austin at #2, Crayton at #3 and keeping Hurd for #4. That gives us youth, speed and good hands without having to listen to TO's crap.
I know I'll get some heat for this but ask yourself one question - Is TO the elite reciever we all saw last year and is it worth him dropping public bombs like this one?
Update - Well TO finally got off and had a great game. I remain extremely disappointed in his comments, both the tone and the timing and wish he had just let his play on the field do the talking. Hopefully he can see the opportunity he has with RWII and stop worrying about his own touches so much. Let's hope he turns today into a springboard and helps propel this team to the SB!
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The thing that I don't get is
Why can’t TO decline the interview? Obviously he can’t control his mouth when he talks to the media (how hard is it to keep your comments PC?) so why doesn’t he just not participate in these types of interviews? If TO has a problem with how he’s being used, then he should bring it up with JG in private, not through the media.
"So you can’t stiff arm at all? What about the throat?"- Marion "Barbarian" Barber
by DC_fan on Nov 21, 2008 10:05 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I Also See Him As A Goner
He also complained about the Parcell’s system as well. Sorry Owens, but you are NOT the offense -Barber is.
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by TheHeat on Nov 21, 2008 10:07 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Wrong!!!
Barber is.
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by TheHeat on Nov 21, 2008 1:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
we can win without Barber, we can't without Romo
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Nov 21, 2008 2:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We can't win without TO either....HE is what makes this OFFENSE go.........
anybody looking to see TO gone doesn’t quite realize the factor he really plays on making this machine hum, without HIM, nobody else becomes a factor………..TO has every right to vent his displeasure with the play calling….I, as well as many others on here have been venting about poor play selection all season, WE SEE what TO SEE’s……I have not been impressed at all with the play calling, and it wasn’t until this latest game Garrett finally started to adjust his vanilla game plans, and that still only netted us 14 points…..I’m not worried at all about this affecting our offensive chemistry….TO was being a model team mate and role player for too long……I am not sure why he finally decided to go off and rant, but I’m not holding it against him, nor am i going to turn on him, and resort back to “bad mouthing” him, or looking to “oust him after the season” like many “fair weather” fan’s i’ve seen do on here so far…..Playmakers want the ball….The OC’s job is to get it in the hands of his playmakers….Garrett has failed to do so, miserably…..If anyone needs to be gone after this season..It’s Garrett…….We just better bless our lucky stars that TO wants to be a COWBOY, and has extended for 2 more seasons…..Garrett will again be entertaining HC offers elsewhere during our “playoff run”….Who’s committed to winning here ????
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"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones
by BoyzRback on Nov 21, 2008 5:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What in the world has TO "made go" this year?
He hasn’t done squat! He wasn’t worth the money spent resigning him, he’s an individual not a team player, and all he cares about is stats.
Garrett can share some blame, but when you are supposed to be the status of elite WR that TO supposedly is, you’re supposed to be able to get open! By definition, he is not a great receiver and not worth the money if he needs an OC to design special plays for him.
He plays like a wuss and is not physical enough, esp. for a guy who has the size he does. How does he keep getting jammed at the line by CB’s? Has it ever occured to him to push back? Does he realize this is football?
But I don’t think he’s going anywhere, it would cost JJ now, he’s made a commitment. Unless he does something REALLY dumb. I will stand and applaud the day he is off my team and I don’t have to follow him any more.
by Realist Larry on Nov 22, 2008 1:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
TO
TO has consistently taken TWO defensive players on him all season long. If this does not open things up for players like Witten and Miles Austin (see Green Bay game), patrick crayton, and eventually Roy then I do not know what will.
My ONLY problem with the whole TO saying he is not getting the ball is that it is not factual. TO is on track, according to BOB from sports 1310 the ticket, to be targeted a 150 times this season season. Right now, I believe he has been thrown at 90 some odd times 20 more times than Witten has been. Now what sort of chance he had on those plays I cannot tell you IE did those attempts lead to drops, double coverage making a play on the ball, bad throws etc. However, it is apparent that Garrett has tried to get him the ball, but my issue with Jason is that it seems that when TO was doubled last year he used a lot more motion with TO to the slot etc to give TO a chance to beat it. This year I have noticed MUCH LESS of that. Hence, less big plays from TO.
So in conclussion, I believe that TO is very important to this offense he takes focus off of other players, he block extremely well, and he is always a threat. But he has dropped many attempts thrown his way, he has not beaten double coverage on his own, and when Corners get aggressive he can’t seem to get back to his route quick enough. His frustrations stems from the fact that he has lacked big plays, and has gone a month without a healthy starting QB (he was wide open many times BJ had the ball which has to be frustrating). That being said Garrett has not done a good job (until recently) in my opinion, of motioning him, and now that defenses have to choose between Roy or TO they cannot afford to double cover him at all times. I cannot wait to see how Roy frees up TO and visa versa.
Just my two cents
by cowboyfan on Nov 25, 2008 5:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i'm actually with boyzrback on this one
i’m getting sick of red-ball. i’d like an OC who can adjust.
I commented. You're welcome.
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by bulldog jeeper on Nov 22, 2008 2:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Romo is...
Barber might might be the match at times… but Romo always brings the fire….
by CowboysFan4Life on Nov 24, 2008 12:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
All About Romo
Terry and I have our differences regarding Romo, but he is dead on here. Romo is The Man in this offense – everyone else is a supporting actor. The success of NFL offenses are dictated by their quarterbacks. That includes the Vikings with AP and San Diego with LT.
It is possible for our offense to be a championship caliber offense without any one particular player – except Romo. I truly believe that if our running backs were Felix Jones and Choice, we would be just fine as long as we had Witten, TO, RW, Austin, Bennett, etc. Same holds true for TO – given all the other guys being available, we could now (with Roy Williams) get by without TO.
Without Romo this team is 8-8 at best. With him, the Cowboys are Super Bowl contenders.
by Cowboy Louie on Nov 22, 2008 2:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I do not feel the team will worry too much about this,
they know he gives his best effort on the field, and romo looks for who is open, the last game had a prettty even distribution of passes to the main three TO, MB, and JW. RW2 had a low amount but this was his first game with romo and their improved production will lead to better production with TO. So in the long run as long as he brings it to the field I think they know that they can rely on him, a team member that could be a bigger distraction is catman because they will have a hard time trusting in him to be there for him because of his past suspensions.
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
by cowboy78 on Nov 21, 2008 10:10 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Getting Rid Of TO
Seriously?…then it the Cowboys in the same situation they were in prior to signing RW…one elite receiver…now I like Austin…I think next season he will be a beast and Crayton will be getting less time…but in no way is he a #2 reciever right now…get real…TO stays…and I support the move…Brad Johnson and Brooks Bollinger running the show?…and TO’s production is even a topic of discussion?…again I ask, seriously?…this offense rises and falls with the OC and QB…period…sure TO drops passes…even has a couple of very uncharacteristic fumbles..(before this season you would have to go to 2004 find one)…but he is still elite…and he can still help us get W’s…did he say the play calling sucks?…not in so many words?….has it sucked?…one word: YES…RW…MBIII….TO..JW…and any other initials you can think of are no use if not used properly…so let’s look at it for what it is…and not as a chance to bash TO…the playcalling sucks…and the offense has suffered…and add TR’s pinkie to the equation…
by tribedog96 on Nov 21, 2008 10:17 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
…even has a couple of very uncharacteristic fumbles..(before this season you would have to go to 2004 find one)…
Having said that, that means he only has ONE uncharacteristic fumble, granted it was at a rather inopportune time…
by AikmanNailedMySis on Nov 21, 2008 12:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
one BIG tribedog96
finally a blogger making sense…
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"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones
by BoyzRback on Nov 21, 2008 5:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
T.O. Is Done
Face it, he isn’t THE guy anymore.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Nov 21, 2008 10:19 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Jerry and Romo love T.O. too much..won't happen
T.O. will play out his contract…end of story.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Nov 21, 2008 10:38 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Terry..... I don't think he sees the end of his contract
If this keeps up 2009 will be his last.
Look up... get up...Don't ever, ever give up!!
by Boyzfan94 on Nov 21, 2008 10:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
keeps what up?
T.O. has always bitched about getting the ball more, what he’s saying now is no different than what he said after the Skins loss in September.
Once we get on a roll again, this will all blow over.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Nov 21, 2008 10:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1 Terry.....TO will be here 2 more seasons.....
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"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones
by BoyzRback on Nov 21, 2008 5:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
For once I agree with Terry.
Further, I think TO is still an elite receiver and that he’ll show it if/when this team gets back to being an offensive beast. I also think that he’s right, JG’s playcalling has sucked.
I personally think TO may even outlast JG if JG doesn’t get his act together.
by Parl on Nov 22, 2008 11:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly Terry Jerry loves T.O. too much.
I’m not ready to give up on T.O. as a good WR just yet. I have seen him get open a number of times the past month and either the ball hasn’t been thrown or its been a awful pass courtesy of Brad Johnson. Even if he is declining he can still be productive with Roy on the other side.
by houseofprime on Nov 21, 2008 10:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He's definatley declining....
Let’s all take the blinders off. It’s not the system either. He hasn’t had a 100 yard game in like 16 games. TO is a really good WR still, but is not in the elite category anymore.
Look up... get up...Don't ever, ever give up!!
by Boyzfan94 on Nov 21, 2008 10:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ok I'll give you that hes not a top 5 WR anymore.
He has had some bad luck in regards to the no 100 yard receiving games this year. Hes had 2 catches this year that were called back for penalties that would have given him 100 yards in 2 games. I see the end of T.O.‘s career similar to Chris Carter’s in that he will still be productive thanks to playing with a younger elite wideout.
by houseofprime on Nov 21, 2008 10:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
agreed...
He will still be a productive WR for the next 2 or 3 years, but the days are gone, I believe of him tearing up secondary’s for 150 yd’s. and 2 TD’s. I think he is more of a #2 Wr at this point in his career than a #1. RW is going to turn into the goto WR very soon.
Look up... get up...Don't ever, ever give up!!
by Boyzfan94 on Nov 21, 2008 11:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Was gonna say the same exact thing, Terry...
But with all due respect, I think it’s moreso da King liking him that seems to matters most.
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by silverblue5 on Nov 21, 2008 1:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
true, but Romo and T.O. have a great chemistry
and Jerry knows breaking that up would be foolish.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Nov 21, 2008 1:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
co-sign
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by silverblue5 on Nov 21, 2008 1:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You called it.
Anyway, Jones said he has no issues with Owens’ competitiveness. And he doesn’t worry if T.O.’s passive-aggressive stance affects the locker room.
“There’s so much made of this impact,” Jones said. "What impacts these players is playing and how you play and how you practice. It impacts us all when we aren’t successful.
“All this stuff that we’re tired about comments or attitude, that’s not even 1 percent of it. I don’t spend any time worrying about that kind of stuff. It’s not an issue with me. I make no decision around here based upon people getting sensitive about what somebody else is saying.”
"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"
by Wmillion on Nov 21, 2008 3:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
it's just common sense
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Nov 21, 2008 3:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
after watching for myself
It is really no big deal.. I think TO is right JG is not using all of the tools to there fullest extent.
"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"
by Wmillion on Nov 21, 2008 4:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for that link Wmillion...That puts an end to this thread...TO is going NOWHERE..now if everyone would just relax........
TO will retire here with 2 SB rings, and go into the HOF as a Cowboy…….bank on it….
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"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones
by BoyzRback on Nov 21, 2008 5:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Let's face it.....
TO is not a top 5 WR anymore. He is 35 and on the decline. He had the reputation as a physical WR that couldn’t be jammed on the line and that’s not the case anymore. His decline was to be expected so this shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone. I really don’t think he will see the end of his contract. RW is the future, TO is not.
Look up... get up...Don't ever, ever give up!!
by Boyzfan94 on Nov 21, 2008 10:40 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
T.O. is still going to end up with double digit Tds ths year as well.
If you wanna call that decline all take it.
by houseofprime on Nov 21, 2008 10:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's not saying much...
Right now he has 40 Rec 6 TD’s for 505 Yds….that’s medicore for a #1 Wr. At his pace his may reach 10 TD’s in a 16 game…not good…….
Look up... get up...Don't ever, ever give up!!
by Boyzfan94 on Nov 21, 2008 10:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How many wideouts are going to score at least 10 tds though?
I think hes tied for 3rd right now in receiving tds.
by houseofprime on Nov 21, 2008 10:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
sure...
Larry Fitzgerald
Boldin
Calvin Johnson
Are a few, but your right he’s not far behind as far as TD’s, but he is struggling finding the endzone and getting yards. Other than the Giant game he hasn’t had a TD since Oct 5th against Cinci. He only has one multi TD game this season and that was against Philly (2) the second game of the season.
Look up... get up...Don't ever, ever give up!!
by Boyzfan94 on Nov 21, 2008 11:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
those numbers are skewed
because of BJ at qb for three games, they’d be much better with Romo at qb.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Nov 21, 2008 10:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Terry he wasn't doing anything when Romo was playing
so that’s a lame excuse. His numbers would probably be a little better if Romo was playing those 3 games I agree, but TO was struggling long before that.
Look up... get up...Don't ever, ever give up!!
by Boyzfan94 on Nov 21, 2008 11:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Im sorry...
but i have a really hard time believing that TO can be accused of rapidly declining because his numbers arent so great when he has been double teamed all season long. obviously the coaches that are playing the cowboys have realized that no single CB can cover the man and he requires a double, no matter what. Why would coaches feel that it is necessary to double team a player that is old, no longer productive, and deserves to be cut after this season. (if we cut TO, he would probably receive huge contract bids from several teams in the league)
by longhorn3621 on Nov 21, 2008 4:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He had 6 TD's in less than 8 games...was on pace for 15+ and still may end up with 10-14 TD's...
where’s the drop off ?
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"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones
by BoyzRback on Nov 21, 2008 5:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He has 2 TD's since week 2...c'mon....
6 going into week 12th with just over 500 yds receiving. That’s far and beyond less the other elite WRs in the league. I never said get rid of him because he is still a productive player, but he is not a top 5 anymore. Not this year anyway. And if people don’t think he has been declining over the past 3 seasons are seriously not paying attention.
If he doesn’t pick up the pace TO is on track for less than 10 TD’s and under 1000 yards this season.
Look up... get up...Don't ever, ever give up!!
by Boyzfan94 on Nov 21, 2008 6:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
absurd.....who actually gives a crap what his numbers are ?? besides you and him, and the poor saps that have him in fantascy football leagues.....
you jokers and your numbers…..geeeez
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"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones
by BoyzRback on Nov 22, 2008 2:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
not good ??.....name me 3 WR in the NFL that average over 10 TD's a season ?
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"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones
by BoyzRback on Nov 21, 2008 5:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Before T.O. came to Dallas, who was the last Cowboy (and when) to catch 10+ TD catches?
by mhuff13 on Nov 22, 2008 11:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Last Cowboy WR to 10 TDs
was – I believe – Michael Irvin in 1995, and just barely, with 10 TDs. Before that was Tony Hill in 1979, again just barely with 10. Last Cowboy WR to get double-digit TDs receiving in consecutive years was Bob hayes 1965-66. So there is no doubt that T.O. is a rarity. He could very well get 3 straight 10+ TD years, which is unprecedented in team history.
by DavidH22 on Nov 22, 2008 6:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hayes did it 4 straight years
65-68, and again in 1970
by mhuff13 on Nov 22, 2008 6:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
TO
"When I came here, I came here with the idea and the notion that we had a chance to win a championship. Me coming to the city of Dallas, I want to bring a sixth Super Bowl championship to the city of Dallas. And for me to have the numbers that I have, not really being involved, it is discouraging. It is frustrating."
Look up... get up...Don't ever, ever give up!!
by Boyzfan94 on Nov 21, 2008 10:44 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Crazy Talk
There is a cycle on the blog that amuses me. It goes something like this
1. Jerry wants to make a splash
2. Jerry signs a high profile, potentially overrated player. Someone who is very good, but whose antics give him way more time on ESPN than he deserves.
3. Jerry hosts a big press conference (and gets on TV – YAY)
4. The press writes about Jerry and his risky move (more attention – GOOD) and how it could destroy the team
5. The player plays and does well (more press!)
6. The player does something boneheaded (even more press).
7. The blog goes ballistic and says (TO, PAC, Martellus, Bryant, etc) should be cut IMMEDIATELY.
Jerry targets bad chemistry guys. He wants them because they have high upside and the only downside is more press for Jerry. He doesn’t cut them for acting out. He may even like it…
It would be insane to target bad attitude guys then get mad when they have a bad attitude.
by 325424 on Nov 21, 2008 11:01 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
great observations, 325424.
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by silverblue5 on Nov 21, 2008 1:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wrong 325424
.
The blog goes ballistic and says (TO, PAC, Martellus, Bryant, etc) should be cut IMMEDIATELY
Go back and read what I wrote then admit you are wrong. Only an idiot would not want TO to finish out the season. But if this team bows out early in the playoffs or misses them again, it is time to do some serious tweaking and I can’t say that a rapidly aging WR with a big mouth is the best kind of player to have going forward.
by Billito on Nov 21, 2008 3:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
rapidly aging??
T.O. has aged less than any football player I’ve ever seen in my 30+ years of following pro football.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Nov 21, 2008 3:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1 Terry.....TO is in better shape than 98% of the entire league....PERIOD
these comments are borderline making me puke milk out of my nose in laughter…..
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"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones
by BoyzRback on Nov 21, 2008 5:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Billito
I didn’t mean to imply you said TO shoudl be cut immediately.
I mean that the team signs guys known for rocking the boat, and once they rock the boat the blog calls for the end of their services
You framed your argument on TO’s comment. If it were based on his age, his production, or his inability to get off the line it would be one thing. But a core part of your argument was that he rocked the boat.
My point is that our team selects guys who are boat rockers, so it doesnt make sense to freak when they rock the boat. Its what should be expected of them.
by 325424 on Nov 21, 2008 11:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I get what you are saying
and truth be told, I have always pulled for TO and hope he finishes the season strong. I was just blown away by the timing of these comments and really disappointed that TO took such a giant step back after all the progress he seemed to make over the last couple of years with his attitude.
by Billito on Nov 22, 2008 6:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I remember seeing a quote from Springs on the DMN blog,
that if TO gets in space, he’s uncoverable. My question, why not get him in space more!? I know you can’t put him in motion every play, but do what you did last year. Create matchup problems with him. Motion him. Put him in the slot. Put him in the backfield. I agree when he says that it’s the system. There are obviously flaws in a system that doesn’t put their best players in the best positions they can to make plays. It’s that simple. Not to mention that the fact that someone who is “uncoverable” must still be pretty darn good. It’s up to JG to take advantage of his strengths.
by Mandmeisterx on Nov 21, 2008 11:06 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
+1
T.O. is not a start and stop guy he needs to build up momentum to get going.
by houseofprime on Nov 21, 2008 11:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The big gain he had on that slant play was when he was in motion.
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
by cowboy78 on Nov 21, 2008 11:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yes
it might not be cool of TO to talk about what a lousy job Garrett is doing this year, but it doesnt mean it isnt true.
garrett has stunk up the joint this year
by 325424 on Nov 21, 2008 2:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i agree totally 32424 ....I'm glad he made it public that Garrett needs to step it up...
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"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones
by BoyzRback on Nov 21, 2008 5:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1 It's very simple Mand.....put the friggin guy in motion, in the slot, or coming out of a backfield set....
I bet anyone on the intermural flag football team at Princeton could realize that………Garrett was nothing but a wanna be mediocre QB, that plodded his way for 12 years as a career back up, never learned, coached, and implemented a system under the guidance of a OC at all, and was a friggin QB coach for a bunch of scrubs that did nothing on the field to show Garrett was beneficial to their play..and now for some reason he’s a geneius ???? heck…..We got Wade Wilson….who was a much better QB, in a much better system, and actually been coaching for quite a few more years….I say we give him a shot…..
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"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones
by BoyzRback on Nov 21, 2008 5:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Are you guys serious?
TO is still a top 5 receiver. Just last year he was the second best receiver in the league behind Moss. He’s having a down year because of injuries to our line and Romo, and double-teams. He’ll probably still end up catching 10 TDs this year, which is a pretty solid season for any other receiver. He’s not going anywhere for at least two years due to his cap hit, the fact that he is still productive, and because management and the team love the guy. He’s just saying what all the players and fans are thinking. The Cowboys have way too much talent to be in this position of possibly missing the playoffs, and he thinks getting the ball in his hands more will help remedy that problem. Give me a player like that any day over someone that sucker punches his teammates, or takes plays off when he is not getting the ball.
by Valainferno on Nov 21, 2008 11:48 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
You're absolutely right
I haven’t seen anything this year to indicate that TO is no longer an elite WR or the best WR on this team. He was great earlier in the year, then started getting constant double-teams. He’s played in one game with both Romo and RW and was effective. You can’t fault him for his lack of production with BJ/Bollinger in at QB, even though he still played alright during that time.
TO is frustrated with the playcalling and so am I. The guy comes to play on game days and cannot be covered one-on-one. He also has a very good relationship with Romo. What’s the problem?
I expect him to light up his old team on Sunday.
by grapejoos on Nov 21, 2008 1:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You haven't seen anything?
Tell me what you have seen? TO is not the same player this year but I cheered on him team effort and attitude. I just can’t believe that he chose now to start this crap and it shows that as much as we all love the guy, he will never mature or be a “team first” guy when it really counts.
I am frustrated with the playcalling as much as anyone but what this team needs now is to come together. Anything else will result in severe disappointment for everyone.
by Billito on Nov 21, 2008 3:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I completely disagree
I think he is a team first guy “when it really counts”, and that’s between the sidelines. He blocks on running plays, chases down defenders on INTs, and always plays as hard as possible, even when not getting the ball. I think his teammates would prefer that to someone who says all the right things but doesn’t consistently bring it during games.
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by BigDinSC on Nov 21, 2008 4:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
3 TD's since week 2 and hasn't had a 100 yard game in 16 games...
so is that declining because it’s not like he hasn’t had the ball enough. You guys figure it out….
He is not a top 5 anymore whether people want to admit it or not. He is still a very good WR, but not in the elite status anymore IMO….
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by Boyzfan94 on Nov 21, 2008 6:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
who cares ??? He's top 5 on our team....That's all that matters..
top 5 receivers ??? there are 64 friggin starting WR’s in this league…Do I care if he’s ranked #1 or #4 or #7 or #12 or #28…..The fact is he’s better than over half the WR’s in the league…
I know I can’t name 10 WR’s I’d take over him right now….To base a man’s ability on numbers, from a season of such turmoil, and loss of a starting QB for half those games, and the amount of other high profile options is simply nonsense…….Look at Chad Johnson’s numbers…I guess he’s no longer any good either…..right
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"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
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by BoyzRback on Nov 22, 2008 2:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Johnson is still a top 5 WR in the league IMO
But I guess numbers are everything to these people…
by mhuff13 on Nov 22, 2008 10:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree that this is an unwelcome distraction
I don’t think now is the time for TO to be popping off to the media, though I agree with most of what he said. I take him at his word. This year he has been less productive than past years, but he is still clearly the best WR on this team in my view, and I don’t think his stats are even that bad considering the atrocious QB play the team got when Romo was out.
Every team Dallas has played this year (at least since the very beginning of the season) has focused on taking TO out of the game. He has been seeing constant doubles but has still produced and made big plays in the games where Romo was playing (and even, to some extent, i nthe games where he wasn’t). This is a change from most of last year, and that’s what TO was talking about when he complains about the stagnant offense. I think having RW in a starting role will help a lot in taking away those double-teams, and that is something we have not seen yet for any significant number of plays (with Romo in).
You could look at the stats and say he is slipping, but the stats still say he’s our best WR. And the stats don’t tell the full story – because of Romo’s injury, the way defenses have played us, and because they don’t account for a lot of other hustle plays that TO makes.
You are right about the team, though. They have to come together and have that us against the world mentality.
by grapejoos on Nov 22, 2008 1:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Popping off?
Are you kidding me? I just saw the video finally, and NOTHING IN THAT INTERVIEW was even slightly controversial…
by mhuff13 on Nov 22, 2008 1:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps I went too far
I guess I just don’t like players talking to the media about problems with the system or just in general. I feel like that stuff is better talked about in-house. But, I understand that this is TO, and this is what he does. It’s just annoying because the media seizes on it and twists it and creates distractions with it. TO has earned the right to do it with his play on the field and he’s been a great teammate, but I wish he handled the media differently (I think he’s plenty media-savvy and knows what will happen when he does speak to them, I’d just prefer he didn’t).
And, of course, just about everything he said is true.
by grapejoos on Nov 22, 2008 2:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Distractions for who?
I really think that media attention isn’t quit as troublesome in the locker room as it is for us fans.
T.O. is an odd being. He will never handle the media the ‘perfect’ way. And we just have to accept that.
by mhuff13 on Nov 22, 2008 3:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ha!
You have to be kidding… TO is a huge part of this team and offense and without him we would crash and burn. Roy II is a great receiver as long as he is the #2, thats why he got replaced by a rookie in Detroit. TO may so some controversial things, thats who he is he likes attention. But he is also the hardest working player in practice and on game day. Even though he complains about production, he is still the guy you always blocking down field when someone else breaks contain. He is a great inspiration to all of our receivers and young players in general in how hard you have to work to be one of the elite. he wants the ball I see nothing wrong with that and deserves it. I lay more blame on play calling than anything with our offense, JG needs to play to each players strength and he doesn’t seem to be doing that especially with TO.
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by Staggolee87 on Nov 21, 2008 12:08 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
First of all
I have never once said “cut that guy” immediately. I am not even saying cut TO now. I am saying, let him finish out the season and if he ends up with low numbers and keeps bitching, think about getting rid of him.
A lot of you guys seem to be stuck in the past because I haven’t seen much at all from TO and to pick RIGHT NOW to start complaining, just sucks. We all know the playcalling has left a lot to be desired but he feels the need to air his dirty laundry on the NFL network with Deion? Really? That is bush league and not the kind of crap this team needs when they are finally turning the corner.
No individual is above the team.
by Billito on Nov 21, 2008 12:12 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Which week would have been a better time to complain?
When the OC laid an egg in Washington?
When Romo got hurt in Arizona?
When they found out the backup can’t play and were humiliated by the Ram?
When they stuck with him despite everyone in the NFL knowing that he can’t throw the ball, yet the team won because the Defense played well and Tampa had its worse game of the year?
How about before, after the Giants loss, when the whole team was embarrassed and the Defense just had a division rival run the ball down their throats while the coaching staff badly mishandles the QB position?
There are problems with the current Cowboy staff. This year, we have been out coached more often then not. In entertainment, publicly voicing concerns is acceptable and sometimes necessary. Fans loved it when Jimmy crucified players in public, but want their players to smile and give party line answers.
There are some ugly problems at my work. I don’t go to the media and expose them. If I was a public persona and I was being put in a bad light publicly I might respond differently.
by Trey, on Nov 21, 2008 1:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with the problems
but the week after our season saving win was the worst possible time to drop this bomb and TO is a jerk for doing so. I have stuck up for this guy since day one and love him playmaking ability but this was an immature, stupid move and the last thing this team needed right now.
Are Wade and Redball supposed to change everything because TO called them out in public? They know things weren’t working and now this just puts more media pressure on the team and gives the idiots at BSPN a whole month of storylines.
by Billito on Nov 21, 2008 2:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Last Sunday
Was only a season saving win if ‘boys don’t drop one of these next two games.
All this stuff in the media is a bigger problem with the fans than it is the players. The Cowboys won a super bowl with Barry Switzer with many of the players on that team being openly critical of his coaching throughout the season.
Fans tend to make a much bigger deal out of the "mental" side of this game. It really comes down to talent and game planning in conjunction with focus and execution.
by gee-roj on Nov 21, 2008 3:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
actually....I MISS the media exposure...good pub or bad pub....it's all good..
media pressure ???? not too sure they’re scared of that……
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"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones
by BoyzRback on Nov 21, 2008 6:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
great write up Trey..
A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.
"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones
by BoyzRback on Nov 21, 2008 6:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
A couple additions...
First of all, T.O.‘s interview was with Deion. And for some reason, people talking to Deion act like it’s just a conversation with their boy that will never be heard by anyone else. They seem to forget there’s a camera present. Then their ego comes out and they begin shooting off at the mouth because they have to keep up with Deion’s still ragingly enormous ego.
As far as performance, of course T.O.‘s has dropped off. But you have to remember, our offense was new last year. Nobody really had film on our “well oiled machine.” This season, they do. We have to adjust, which we all know Garrett is wonderful at (yeah right). Romo’s injury didn’t help anything and T.O. was being called out right when Romo went down. So now he had to deal with people talking smack about how he performs (or doesn’t for that matter) on the field when he has a senior citizen throwing ducks over his head. We’re FINALLY healthy and our offense is at full strength, minus El Gato. Let him finish the season before you call for his head. Let the tandem of he and RW11 play how they’re supposed to before you say T.O. sucks. Plus, the other receivers LOVE him. I doubt I need to remind you all, but they are VERY YOUNG receivers. And T.O. grew up in this league with the best in the game. No doubt, he will be imparting that knowledge on our Boys. Keep him. Let him play out his contract and retire with a star on his helmet. Until then, was it surprising that T.O. shoots off his mouth? I mean really? Everytime he does, fans and haters are like give the same “Oh my god, will you just shut up already?” reaction. Guess what, tough to teach an old dog (or at least an aging dog) new tricks…
by AikmanNailedMySis on Nov 21, 2008 12:28 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Not to mention..
This isn’t the first time this year he has expressed frustration. When I first heard what he said I felt like oh well, there he goes again. He’s frustrated because he thinks they need to give him the ball. Non news item to me. I thought every offensive player (minus the linemen of course) felt that way, or should. And the fact that it was Neon Deion the Peon doing the interview.. that gives it all the more of a non-factor in my mind.
by Benthere on Nov 21, 2008 11:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He finally complained. So What?
TO has an interview and states that his drop off in performance is not all his fault. He says the OC is not doing a good job using him or handling the offense. OMG! …what a shock…How can they put up with this!
Newsflash, TO is another premadonna wide receiver who think way to much about himself. He voiced a complaint. Making it even worse is the reality that much of what he said is true.
Garrett has been schooled by the leagues defensive coordinators this year. Last year Garrett brought some freshness and good ideas to the offense, but it was Soprano who had experience to prevent the team from being surprised or confused by what the opposition was doing. It appears that Soprano was also making the half-time adjustments too as we have sucked at it this year and were great last year.
Regarding T.O.s performance, no one was complaining about his performance going into week three. He had not put up a 100 in a game yet, but he did he provided big plays and scores despite double coverage. Those pointing back to last year’s end of season drop-off are being disingenuous. He was hurt and then held back because the team had locked up a bye week. Last year, his overall play was world class.
This year he started ok but did not have good games in weeks 3-5. In week three Woodson and Green-bay took it to him and the Dallas offense. The OC decided that was an anomaly and changed nothing. The offensive staff did an embarrassing job in that Washington game. Flozell was spending the afternoon protecting his hand and they did not provide help. Romo was getting killed. Dallas forced passes when Washington knew the play and they not use Barber well or Felix at all. Washington used the GB plan with Springs playing the role of Woodson and got similar results.
In weeks 6-8 Dallas had the worse QB play I have ever seen up close. I have no idea if the OC got it under wraps and if the game-plans were sound because the execution was so horrible.
Week 9 – Dallas beats Washington in a windy stadium while Romo has a bad throwing hand. They choose to rely on the run and defense and win the game. Good plan, it worked too.
So now T.O. chooses to voice his frustrations with the offense. Bad timing; maybe. Would you have preferred that he complained right after the Washington loss? No doubt the OC laid in egg in that one. Many would like for our football players to be quiet and content and keep all complaints in house. Good luck with that. Unless it is making Tony Romo lose sleep on game night, I don’t see a reason to care if T.O. speaks out.
Bottom line is that T.O. is still one of the top receivers in the game. Edwards, Fitz and Moss are the only guys who see double teams as often as he does. Take away T.O. and the Barber gets an extra man in the box. He is not going anywhere and Dallas fans should see some great passing games once Williams gets acclimated to the offense.
by Trey, on Nov 21, 2008 1:03 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I agree, in space he's still the best WR in the game
Most people don’t realize this, but T.O. never was good at beating jams at the LOS against physical receivers dating back to the late 90’s, his success in this league came mainly in west coast offenses where he was constantly in motion and didn’t have to worry about jams too much.
He came to Dallas and had success by getting free releases off the LOS, so teams figured that their only chance to contain him was too jam him at the LOS.
While we don’t run a weat coast offense, Garrett has to figure out ways to get T.O. out in space as there isn’t a DB in the league that can cover him.
To say his skills are diminishing because of age is ridiculous, he’s faster, stronger, and quicker than he’s ever been in his entire career.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Nov 21, 2008 1:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I never do this because I think it's a bit lame, but
+100000000
by Parl on Nov 22, 2008 11:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You're dead on, Trey...
…Especially when you astutely stated the following:
Take away T.O. and the Barber gets an extra man in the box. He is not going anywhere and Dallas fans should see some great passing games once Williams gets acclimated to the offense.
Give Owens, Romo, and RW2 a few games together… and even the entirety of training camp and preseason to work with one another.
Only time will tell.
And honestly, as long as da King owns the Dallas Cowboys, I don’t see The Original #81 playing for anybody but America’s Team.
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by silverblue5 on Nov 21, 2008 1:14 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
TO's Problem
The problem is many fold and we cannot do anything but rant about it. It’s TO who does not have the sparq that he once had. It’s Jason Garrett and I don’t know whats up with him. It was the missing “Romo”. It is the focus being shifted to Felix/RW11 and much more. It’s just not TO. But I agree he is losing the edge.
I wonder why there were no comments on the pass that he dropped during the skins game when he was hit hard from behind. TO dropped that kind of pass? Having 6 pack abs and a great lean body does not mean you are in great conditioning to play football and specially the WR position when you are double and triple teams. Common guys, the 2 and 3 team other WRs. Don’t they make plays.
May be, it’s just that it took this long for TO’s weakness to open up. May be he is very one dimensional WR like Moss. May be, who knows. But I agree, he will live his contract and then open up an “iRetire” t-shirt factory (kidding…….)
by letsgogetonefellas on Nov 21, 2008 1:26 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Gimme A Break
TO is STILL one of the best wideouts in the league and to dismiss what his presence means to this football team is ignorant.
by cowboyup3181 on Nov 21, 2008 1:31 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
+1 cowboyup.....twice even..
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"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones
by BoyzRback on Nov 21, 2008 6:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Gimme A Break
TO is STILL one of the best wideouts in the league and to dismiss what his presence means to this football team is ignorant.
by cowboyup3181 on Nov 21, 2008 1:32 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
The OC
Last year Garrett was the best thing since sliced bread. This year he is clueless and cant adjust. I was too early for the annoiting oil last year and its too early to condemn him this year. We expect growing pains from young players and we should expect them from young cordinators as well. Those arent dummies on the other sideline.
JG had a good 1st year where he was actually looked at for HCing jobs. All DCs had all year to study him and have made adjustments to him. The Wash or GB game is where we started seeing the adjustments they made for us and before he had enough chance to adjust Romo goes down. I cant count BJ against him because you could dig up Bill Walsh and not devise a game plan for a guy that cant reach the line of scrimmage with a pass.
Calm down a little. Garrett is a very sharp dude that has proven in other areas of his career that has shown he can and will adjust. It was his potential last year that was just as intriging as his record. I really think he will get it done. You just have to deal with the growing pains of young players as well as young coaches. This league aint easy.
by squidlo97 on Nov 21, 2008 1:35 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Still a Jason Garrett fan
I did the best job of beating up the OC in this thread so I figure you may be addressing my earlier comments. The OC is part of a staff, not a one man band. The offense looked pretty good the year before Garrett arrived, but it had Parcells stamp and had become a bit stale. They seemed slow to adjust that year too.
Last year Garrett came in, fresh ideas and suddenly it’s a record setting offense. They always seemed a step ahead. If not for Tom Brady turned the NFL into his personal Madden video game it would have been recognized as one of the all time great offenses.
Your right about the league’s DC spending time thinking about Dallas. The Cowboys also lost talent on the offensive staff. People inside the organization correctly predicted the team would definitely miss Soprano’s input once when he went to Miami. The end result was we went from being a step ahead to a step behind and that explains a lot of individual player performance drop-offs. This thread is on TO. My point on the offensive coaching is that the drop-off in TO performance and his frustration level is a reflection of that performance.
BTW: I am a Jason Garrett fan, and expect him to take full advantage of the six weeks since the Arizona game. I liked the game plan in Washington and expect good things at home verse SF and Seattle. That said, I think the coaching staff would benefit from a veteran offensive tactician who Garrett respects.
by Trey, on Nov 21, 2008 5:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
speaking of sidelines...........Who here actually PREFERS the OC should be in the BOOTH
I can’t stand Garrett sitting on the bench, going over one of his failed plays with Romo….He should be in the booth watching plays develope, looking for weaknesses in the defense, seeing what’s working well, what’s not, etc. etc. etc…..you can not see from the sidelines what you can see from up top…..EVERY top OC has long since used to press box to visualize the game in progress, and make adjustments……
That could be adjustment number one JC….git yer azz up in the booth…maybe then you’ll realize putting TO in motion on a drag route will actually net you positive yardage……..or do you prefer hanging out with ball boy while calling double reverses exchanged 12 yards behind the lione……dip sh*t..
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"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones
by BoyzRback on Nov 21, 2008 6:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he has to be on the sidelines
otherwise he wouldn’t be on tv as much and other teams wouldn’t be so sweet on him and try to recruit him during the playoffs.
wait…
get him up in the press box.
unless he’s going to light a fire under somebody’s butt, get him upstairs
I commented. You're welcome.
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by bulldog jeeper on Nov 22, 2008 3:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This is going to be controversial, but...
Now, we can chalk up his 16 game stretch without a 100 yard game to a number of factors beyond his control: Brad’s suckiness, O-line problems that prevent downfield plays, Romo’s “quiet pocket feet” emphasis reducing improvisational route-breaking that TO excelled at, Garrett’s reduction of motion, opponents’ extreme “don’t let TO beat you” defenses. And yet…
TO just doesn’t LOOK like the same player. He’s still as fast, but not as powerful. He used to look physically imposing next to DB’s. Last week, he got wrestled down at the one in a way that made him look…weaker.
Today at DMN, Bill Barnwell of Football Outsiders said “the only elite receiver to have this precipitous of a decline was David Boston.” Remember David Boston? A beast who dominated d-backs…you know, the way TO used to look with Philly when they played the ’Boys, and even last year.
David Boston eventually tested positive for steroids, but he doubtless got away with drug use for several years before he was caught. Just like Shawne Merriman did. This offseason, TO missed a random steroid test due to a “new cell phone.” He’s been on the “watch list” since then, having to take multiple random tests throughout the year as a result.
I know this is provocative, but I wonder…could TO have used some juice over the years? He’s just not physically imposing his will out there anymore. Older players typically lose speed, not power. TO is still really fast…but he’s lost power.
by TimSchultz36 on Nov 21, 2008 2:07 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
i assume that TO
and most players in the NFL are using HGH
people arent supposed to look like that
by 325424 on Nov 21, 2008 2:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Is it possible?
To let TO go and sign TJ if so, let’s do that..
"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"
by Wmillion on Nov 21, 2008 2:55 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Anyone who thinks T.O.'s skills are eroding
is smoking crack while not watching the film. All this nonsense about Springs lockin him down is crazy. If you watch the tape, he had help directly over top all but about twice. Hell, I could jam T.O. like that if I knew I didnt have to worry about him running by me.
You cant tell me the same guy that was running by everyone the first two weeks has suddenly lost it. He is as good as ever, but we have forgotten how to get him into one on one situations. Crayton was not a threat and did not force the defense to be honest. We have Roy to help that now, but T.O. and Roy have yet to play with a healthy Romo yet.
T.O. can physically still do everything he did last year. He could pick up some little nuances that could help him out, but he is the same player.
And dead the steroid talk. His dedication to his body is on a level most of us can’t comprehend. He’s on a Herschel Walker level as far as that is concerned.
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Nov 21, 2008 6:31 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I agree
After further review.. I agree TO is a major part of this team and I want him to retire a cowboy..
TO is a player you have to take the good with the bad..
"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"
by Wmillion on Nov 22, 2008 1:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
TO is just saying what we were saying for a long time, especially after the first Redskins game. He just can’t help saying what he sees.
by ym on Nov 21, 2008 9:15 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I think BSPN & NFLN try to get ex-Cowboys like Playmaker & Prime Time...
…to interview controversial star players, so that they can let their guard down.
And that’s what happened a little bit in the latest Neon-Deion/TO exclusive.
I tell you what though, I’d take The Original #81 any day over this clown…
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by silverblue5 on Nov 21, 2008 10:54 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
The TO koolaid is as strong here as on the other site.
If he wasn’t on “your” team, none of you guys would be defending him. It’s like you work hard to think up reasons why it can’t be Owens’ fault. It’s fun to read!
Would you be his guard dogs if he were still an Eagle? No way! You’d be hating him, calling him old, and talking about how Newman (uninjured) should just take him one-one now. You wouldn’t be saying, “Wow, that OC in Philly doesn’t know how to utilize that Terrell Owens.”
What, is he the only “elite” WR to ever be double-teamed?
He’s a ‘physical speciman’ but can be jammed at the line by CB’s? Which is it?
By the way, there’s a big difference between being in top physical condition and having ‘great abs’, and the toughness required in the NFL, mental and physical.
But don’t worry, unf. he IS going to be here for 2 more years—-probably showing just enough flashes of the old talent to keep your hopes up.
You’re so desperate for that elusive SB (as am I) that you won’t see what is right in front of your eyes.
by Realist Larry on Nov 22, 2008 1:23 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
By the way, he's 34 and in his 13th year-
longer than Irvin’s whole career.
by Realist Larry on Nov 22, 2008 1:35 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
umm....Irvin's career was ended by injury....your point ?
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"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones
by BoyzRback on Nov 22, 2008 2:41 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Irvin worked just as hard as TO
but was tailing off those last 2years. Besides Rice, you really don’t expect 34-35 year old receivers to produce like they did when younger, it’s unrealistic.
ESPECIALLY in the case of Owens, who relies on his physical atributes solely, over route-runningand mental focus.
by Realist Larry on Nov 22, 2008 2:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You are right about what T.O. relies on
But what I don’t know if you get, is that at 35 he’s in better shape than most players in the league. He is a physical freak.
by mhuff13 on Nov 22, 2008 3:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I do
but he’s human.
As pitchers age, they have to rely on more than their 95 mph fastball, they become smarter.
WR’s need to rely on their ‘smarts’ as they age, on route-running, on recognizing defenses, on the little things.
I guess he’s just a one-dimensional player. But he may be losing 5% of that edge he had, and he has no way to make up for it.
by Realist Larry on Nov 22, 2008 4:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's a good point though...
About having to rely on route running and stuff as they get older…
by mhuff13 on Nov 22, 2008 6:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
trade TO for a pick
draft CRABTREE!!!
by kevinkinsler on Nov 22, 2008 4:16 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Its the offense
The real question we should ask ourselves is if we subsituted say Bouldin/Fitzgerald/Marshall/Moss ect.. in the place of TO would their numbers over this period be any better. Maybe, maybe not, but my gut say NO.
They are doing this coverage on Randy Moss as well and he is struggling himself. Ty Law was in press on him all day except the last play and did well on him.
The offense as a whole hasnt been clicking and when you tyhrow in all of these chicken shit drive killing penalties on top of it you get… well you get this crap we have been watching.
Their are alot of little things that add up to big things. I believe Garrett will solve it and we will be greatly improved overall because of this. Better to deal with this in Oct and Nov than Dec Jan. I have every confidence that this will work out for our benefit in the end.
by squidlo97 on Nov 22, 2008 8:58 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
And Law had him smothered on that last play too.
Just an incredible throw.
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Nov 22, 2008 1:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
3rd year sophomore
He’s eligible for the draft after this year.
by mhuff13 on Nov 22, 2008 10:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ok so who here has not questioned Garrett's playcalling?
And wondered why he isn’t using T.O. better? Now T.O. says the same thing that 99.9% of this blog has been saying all year, and gets crucified for it.
No matter what anyone here thinks, T.O. isn’t going anywhere after this year. Fans like to armchair GM everything, but they never think of 1 thing: $$$$$$
T.O. got a monster signing bonus, and if we cut him after this year whatever signing bonus we haven’t signed him to instantly goes on next year’s salary cap. I’d be willing to bet the majority of T.O.’s contract and signing bonus take effect in 2010, the uncapped year.
So yea, let’s go ahead and cut the best WR on our team, and totally destroy our salary cap for next season. GREAT plan….
by mhuff13 on Nov 22, 2008 10:35 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I thought it was your Junoir year you had to be in or at least have passed enough hrs to be considered a Sr. Or is it 3 years removed from your HS graduation. I really cant remember any one being elgible until after their Jr year.
by squidlo97 on Nov 22, 2008 10:39 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I also thought he was a true Soph and not a redshirt soph.
by squidlo97 on Nov 22, 2008 10:40 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
No he's redshirted soph
And you just need 3 years in college to be eligible.
by mhuff13 on Nov 22, 2008 10:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i think its slightly more complicated than that
i have a friend who is a top NFL agent and he said something about all college juniors not being eligible…
by 325424 on Nov 22, 2008 11:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ok
the wording of the rule is apparently that your high school graduating class had to graduate 3 years ago.
i have no idea if that means you had to have graduated 3 years before the actual draft…
by 325424 on Nov 22, 2008 11:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's actually not that hard
You must either complete your true junior or redshirt sophomore year.
by mhuff13 on Nov 22, 2008 12:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Your right on eligibility too.
So what do you think if we subsituted a top name WR in place of TO. Would they be setting the world on fire in our offense the last 10 games.
by squidlo97 on Nov 22, 2008 10:48 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I think that T.O. has a ton of money left to be paid from his bonus
And any talk of him being cut is absolutely rediculous. The entirety of what’s left of his bonus goes to our cap next year.
NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
by mhuff13 on Nov 22, 2008 10:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Gotta agree with T.O.
that Red Jesus has been wretched this this. Combined with Romo being out for an extended period of time, it’s no wonder that Owens is underacheiving so far this year. I definitely don’t want to get rid of him. I definitely want a full season of TO, RWII, JW, MB, Austin, Crayton and of course Romo.
T.O’s breakthrough year was 1998, his first season over 1000 yards and doubl-digit TDs. That was also the year he dropped several passes in the divisional playoffs against the Packers, only to catch that 25 yard TD from Steve Young on the last play of the game to win it (remember he cried afterwards). But in 1999 Owens’ numbers fell off dramatically, with less than 800 yards receiving, 4 TDs and a long gain of only 36 yards. Why? Well, Steve Young was lost for the season after 4 games, Jerry Rice had a mediocre season, Owens missed two games and the team’s owensrhip was in turmoil. Yet Owens came back with a string of remarkably successful and productive seasons.
Now, I know this is an imperfect analogy, the main thing being T.O. was 10 years younger in 1999. But I think that the problem with the offense this year is not Owens, but is Garrett. T.O. can still be a playmaker and catch TDs. All I know is that the team will deperately need the old T.O. – not an old T.O. – over the next six games and thru any sort of playoff run.
by DavidH22 on Nov 22, 2008 10:52 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I do wish that
T.O. had kept his mouth shut…but maybe this will provide some sort of impetus to Garrett to do something different. Or so something the same as last year.
by DavidH22 on Nov 22, 2008 10:54 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Why keep his mouth shut?
People have been bitching all year that the Cowboys need a ‘vocal leader’.
Well everyone here knows that Garrett has blown this year. To me this is a form of leadership. Why is it that coaches can call out players for sucking, but players can’t call out coaches? Oh wait, only T.O. can’t call out coaches…
by mhuff13 on Nov 22, 2008 10:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This isn't "Leadership"
When people cry for Leadership I don’t think whining to the media is what they have in mind.
No one ‘bitched’ for THIS
by Realist Larry on Nov 22, 2008 2:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Leadership comes in many different forms
And how exactly was that whining? I guess telling the truth, that even people on this blog have bitched about all year, is whining….that the offense is crap, has been run like a 12 year old is calling plays, and T.O. is not used correctly.
The truth is whining. That’s an interesting take.
by mhuff13 on Nov 22, 2008 3:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You don't have to go to the media
to cry about it.
THAT’S whining.
Talk to the coaches and your teammates, keep it behind closed doors, as they say.
Is it really hard to see the difference?
If this guy wasn’t on the Boys you’d be all over him, and laughing at how he’s distracting some other team’s clubhouse.
You guys are blinded by your fanhood in regards to TO.
by Realist Larry on Nov 22, 2008 4:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Go to the media?
He did an interview and got asked a question. Who says that T.O. asked for the interview to bring this stuff up? No doubt Deion went to him just to try to stir the pot.
by mhuff13 on Nov 22, 2008 6:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Dude, watch the interview today
I love TO on the field but in this interview he comes off as a first class B*tch.
by Billito on Nov 23, 2008 8:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
People kepy saying Randy Moss was washed up in Oakland.
The Patriots got him for peanuts, put him in a good system, and he exploded. BUT if Welker hadn’t been there, I suspect his season would have been quite different.
by Parl on Nov 22, 2008 11:15 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Moss was clearly dogging it in Oakland.
A man with his eyes sewn shut could see that.
Welker?
Welker?!
Laughable, man. When you have Brady and Moss on the same offense and Welker leads the league in receptions; make no mistake, Welker is the beneficiary. There are quite a few other guys who could’ve been plugged into Welker’s role given the attention that Moss commanded. Not only that, but there was also the deep threat of Stallworth who toasted the dingleberries the Cowboys had in the secondary last year. So you’re definitely going to respect Moss, then you had the option of focusing more on Welker over the middle or Stallworth deep.
It was playing alongside Brady and in that system that reinvigorated Moss. Obviously, the Patsies knew Welker would fit their system well and while he may deserve more respect than being called a mere spare part the little dude wasn’t the reason that offense set records last year.
by MadMick on Nov 22, 2008 12:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Boyzfan94
10 TD in a season is not good? Well the Cowboys have had 12 10 TD seasons in their franchise history.
2007: Owens 15
2006: Owens 13
1995: Irvin 10
1979: Hill 10
1970: Hayes 10
1969: Rentzel 12
1968: Hayes 10
1967: Hayes 10
1967: Hayes 10
1966: Hayes 13
1963: Clarke 10
1962: Clarke 14
So before T.O. arrived, we had 2 seasons where someone caught 10 TD in the past 30 years. And you say 10 TD is not good?
by mhuff13 on Nov 22, 2008 11:19 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Garrett's idea of creativity is getting lame.
These plays where he lines T.O. up in the backfield, fakes a handoff, and then throws to him as of yet have amounted to little more than chump change. He needs to keep the cutesy stuff to a minimum or else all it amounts to is wasting a down. It’s pretty sad that Garrett has to get T.O. artificial touches with these all these plays early because he’s basically conceding they don’t expect T.O. to get that many touches within the flow of the game.
by MadMick on Nov 22, 2008 12:14 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
True
Play football, and forget all that BS that’s not fooling anyone. Fake reverses, too many WR screens (to TO when he’s covered tightly, no less)
by Realist Larry on Nov 22, 2008 2:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Welker is one of the leaders again
He doesnt have Brady and Moss is struggling a little himself. He is still getting it done. There is no doubt he is in a perfect match for his skill set but then again most stat leaders are. I wouldnt mind him picking up 1st downs for us.
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by squidlo97 on Nov 22, 2008 12:23 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I was well aware of that.
Having a guy like Welker extends drives; no doubt. However, Welker will never be capable of getting you points in the passing game the way Moss is. Even when he was held in check for the first 59 minutes of the game against the Jets, he came up with the big play at the end of the game to tie it.
by MadMick on Nov 22, 2008 12:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Guys who move the chains are just as important.
Whether it is helping with clock eatting drives, key first downs, or just providing the QB with a sure thing. Im not comparing him to #1s or telling you I would rather have him over a big play #1. When you want to be SB caliber you got to have all the parts. A reliable target who is always in the right place and gobbles up 1st’s allows you more downfield shots.
One of the things I have been frustrated with is if the 15-20 yd play isnt there its a pass to the flat for little or no gain. Where is our Steve Smith(Giants) or Welker. If the play isnt there lets pick up a first and have another 2 shots down the field.
by squidlo97 on Nov 22, 2008 2:11 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
TO stays
Last week is the first time we saw TO move around some and if Romo didn’t miss on about 3 balls TO would have had a much better day than his 38 yard performance… Redball hasn’t called very many good calls..it seems he got the notion that we should beat ppl on pure talent and ran very basic plays…last week we saw the innovation that was there this year…I’m positive that we will see a different play caller in Redball because he knew he was calling bad plays and we saw how that changed and with RW2 in there we can put Owens and Witten together and I saw all three of them in a trips bunch…I would wait at least till after the Thankgiving game to say anything….Lets look at it as if the season started last week cuz all these players had there head up there @$$ till then…now we will see the team that we should’ve seen all year
by nicholas.rodriguez on Nov 22, 2008 10:55 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Good call on cutting TO
He’s definitely washed up…
by ChrisRichey on Nov 23, 2008 3:19 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
+1 ...To all the clowns that questioned his ability.....tisk tisk...
OPEN MOUTH……………..INSERT FOOT
A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.
"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones
by BoyzRback on Nov 23, 2008 4:20 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Hey Mhuff and boyz
The guy cried like a b*tch all week and I stand by my comments. yes he had a great game IN THE EXACT SAME SYSTEM he just threw under the bus. Real pros do their talking on the field and if TO had shut up and turned in this kind of game, he would have gone to legendary status in my head. Instead, i lost respect for him.
by Billito on Nov 23, 2008 5:25 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
It's 2008 dude. Receivers talk.
As long as they produce….who cares.
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Nov 23, 2008 5:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If he can produce like this every week
you’ll never hear me complain again.
by Billito on Nov 23, 2008 5:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I would have cried if I were him too
The offense has been a joke this year. Garrett has been a monumental flop. I’m really starting to think that Sparano’s role in the offense last year is what made it so deadly. It’s the only thing missing from last year.
Everyone on this blog has complained all year about T.O.‘s role in the offense, then when he does it suddenly he’s bitching. I guess everyone here just bitches too then…
by mhuff13 on Nov 23, 2008 5:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Are you serious?
You are comparing a professional athlete in an international spotlight to bloggers? We can bitch all we want, we are fans and nobody listens to us but us. This guy is supposed to be a veteran both on and off the field.
I never once argued that the playcalling and offense have been anything but stagnant this year but TO handled it like a baby, set a bad example for the young guys and proved that he will never mature.
BTW, Romo’s escapability had more to do with TO’s big day than anything else.
by Billito on Nov 23, 2008 5:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You see your problem is
You’re waiting for T.O. to set examples for children and mature. IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN.
So just get over it and be glad that he produces on the field. This is what you get with T.O. He was a social outcast as a child, and now he’s making up for it by being in the spotlight 24/7.
by mhuff13 on Nov 23, 2008 5:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The man is in his mid-30's
He is what he is. Generally you wait for a guy to mature early in his career. You’re wasting your time waiting for change, he’s a grown man and has made his decisions. It’s like Emmitt said “A leopard can’t change it’s stripes.”
"When it's third and ten, you can take the milk drinkers and I'll take the whiskey drinkers every time." -Max McGee
by BigDinSC on Nov 23, 2008 6:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think that was his point
Emmitt is a tool. ROFL
by mhuff13 on Nov 23, 2008 6:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's an actual quote
"When it's third and ten, you can take the milk drinkers and I'll take the whiskey drinkers every time." -Max McGee
by BigDinSC on Nov 23, 2008 11:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I couldn't care less about TO's effect
on children. I meant the young guys on the team. I know TO is what he is but I was encouraged by his attitude this season. If anything, he should have bitched publicly after the first skins game or the giants game, not right when this team was starting to come together.
You know what, I hope I’m wrong but too many people on this blog are short sighted and don’t see that this is the exact kind of crap that keeps this team from coming together and playing to its potential. If I told you before the season they would be fighting for a wild card spot, you would have told me I was drunk but here we are.
If TO lights it up like this all year, he can talk until his tongue falls out of his mouth for all I care, I just want to get #6.
by Billito on Nov 23, 2008 6:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If grown men who are getting paid millions of dollars to play a game
Need to look up to some social outcast, then they have bigger problems on their hands…
by mhuff13 on Nov 23, 2008 7:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I will take younger guys picking up his attitude
As long as they pick up his intensity and work ethic too
"When it's third and ten, you can take the milk drinkers and I'll take the whiskey drinkers every time." -Max McGee
by BigDinSC on Nov 23, 2008 11:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Great game by TO no doubt...
let’s not get carried away from one game…He may go another 14 games without 100 yards..lol. He was due no question about it and I’m real happy for him. Maybe talking about him motivated his game..who knows…..lol
Look up... get up...Don't ever, ever give up!!
by Boyzfan94 on Nov 23, 2008 5:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
no, that had nothing to do with it
T.O. demands double coverage because he’s an elite receiver and when teams decide to take MB3 out of the game, T.O. will destroy teams when he gets one on one coverages.
When teams decide to take him out of the game with a safety over the top , then it’s on MB3 to destroy teams.
Its called pick your poison.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Nov 24, 2008 7:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
I think Roy will also begin to destroy teams with they decide to take TO out.. I am sure Seattle will have Trufant on TO and have him jam TO with a safety over the top..
"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"
by Wmillion on Nov 24, 2008 1:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think you're making two mistakes:
You’re overestimating the effect of TO’s comments.
You’re underestimating TO as an elite receiver.
Am I a TO apologist? Maybe. But I think he deserves the benefit of a doubt considering how well he’s played for this team over the last couple seasons and how well he’s kept it all together considering that yes, he was pretty damn crazy before he got here. As far as I’m concerned, his comments are being exaggerated and it’s just a small blip on a clean slate that he has EARNED while playing in Dallas.
Moreover, when do you ever hear a team or player saying that so-and-so’s comments on the coaching staff really affected us and affected the way we played?
And this is even MORE speculative so completely ignore it if you will, but you’ll I think teams often bond in SPITE of their coaching, e.g. the Giants. They had a horrible season where everything was going wrong. They had player only meetings, bonded with each other against the staff. Coughlin basically had to change how he did things and they won the Super Bowl.
Personally, I am more than happy to admit that I think TO is a leader on this team and it’s quite possible that his comments came not just from himself, but possibly he was just the mouthpiece for the whole team’s dissatisfaction with the coaching staff.
by Parl on Nov 23, 2008 10:37 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
And also,
I think it’s quite disingenuous to say, “I’m disappointed in TO because he ran his mouth, but if he’s playing great then he can talk as much as he wants.” That’s the exact same behavior by NFL coaches that encourages WRs to be primadonnas and compounds this problem cross the league and all sports, permeating down to high school: “As long as you’re good, you can do/say whatever you want.”
Look no farther than Texas.
Three starters get DWI/DUI and they get suspended.
One backup write sa racial slur (which I am in no way defending) and he gets booted off the team.
Now in one way it’s comparing apples and oranges, but I think it’s a double standard.
by Parl on Nov 23, 2008 10:40 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
You're right
and I really am disappointed in TO but was just trying to defuse the argument because as soon as yesterday’s game was over, a bunch of guys posted on this thread saying “told you so!”
Personally, I lost a lot of the respect I had gained for TO during his tenure as a cowboy. I absolutely hated him before he came here and it took me until the end of last year to really respect him and love him as a cowboy. Of course, I still pull for him but his actions this week will never sit well with me.
Regardless, I am done with this discussion but I thank you all for helping me achieve a personal best in highest number of comments on one of my posts. Go Cowboys!!
by Billito on Nov 24, 2008 7:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
WHO CARES?
He’s a football player not a politician running for office. I’m glad he called out the coaching staff because well, they have sucked this year. Period. And has anyone thought about how this may just be a case of head games, (like something out of the Belechick school of football).
Think about. TO just happens to have one his biggest games as a Cowboy a couple days after making those comments, (as if he already new the game plan was calling for him to play a bigger roll). He, as well as the coaches, knew coming into this game that the 49ers like to play off the ball and that he’d have a clean release all afternoon.
Now all that attention is on TO heading into the Seattle game and on a short week they will look to take TO out of the game w/ some form of double coverage. That‘s exactly when you can expect to see Roy Williams have his break out game as a cowboy or perhaps a huge day from Witten as the field opens up for them.
That in turn forces Pittsburgh, the following week, to game plan for a very dynamic passing attack which hopefully opens up some running lanes for Barber and Choice.
by gee-roj on Nov 24, 2008 9:56 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I just think that the Giants completely proved T.O. wrong this weekend
Look at them playing without their number one wr and still able to take down a real good team in the Cardinals which of whom we could not.
by rioplayer7 on Nov 24, 2008 11:54 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
They didn't prove T.O. wrong
That game simply proved how overrated Burress actually is.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Nov 24, 2008 12:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Plus if you watched the game
Hixon looked like Steve Smith, Plaxico, and Dante Hall in his heyday, all rolled into one.
T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003
by APerfectStar on Nov 25, 2008 4:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hixon is a player i'd like to snare from the Giants...
A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.
"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones
by BoyzRback on Nov 25, 2008 11:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
they have
been getting down without Burress all season.. They have run the ball well all season.. I do think Dallas can learn from there balance..
"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"
by Wmillion on Nov 24, 2008 1:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Did the prove T.O. wrong
Or Jason Garrett wrong? You win in the NFL by running and stopping the run. Period.
by mhuff13 on Nov 24, 2008 2:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thats part of it
but teams without perimeter playmakers go home too. Period.
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Nov 24, 2008 6:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
In the last 10 years, I can name at least 3 teams who had no perimeter playmakers.
2000 Ravens, 2001 Patriots, and 2002 Bucs.
Unless you consider Brandon Stokley, Troy Brown, and Keyshawn perimeter playmakers.
What did all of these teams have in common though? Incredible defenses.
by mhuff13 on Nov 24, 2008 6:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Can add the 2005 Steelers to that one
Ward is a possession receiver, not a big play threat on the perimeter.
by mhuff13 on Nov 24, 2008 6:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ward's underrated as a playmaker.
After all, who can forget him leaving DeAngelo Hall on a long TD catch-and-run while only wearing one shoe? Or that could probably also be due to DeAngelolife being an overrated assclown.
by MadMick on Nov 24, 2008 6:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This might be a stretch
But Randle-El made some big plays for them as their speed guy. I’m not saying he’s better than Ward, but I think the “playmaker” description is/was accurate for him in that offense.
by grapejoos on Nov 25, 2008 5:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Eh I don't know about that
A few gadget plays doesn’t make one a playmaker.
by mhuff13 on Nov 26, 2008 1:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll give you the Ravens and maybe Pats.
But Keenan McCardell was still a hell of a playmaker then, and as much as I hate to say it Keyshawn was still good then.
And those teams are more the exception than the rule.
Championship teams need a guy to go to on 3rd and 13. And someone who can steal you a quick score when you are unable to sustain a drive.
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Nov 24, 2008 7:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Keyshawn was good
But he was definately not a ‘perimeter playmaker’. Unless I’m just misunderstanding you. To me, that means someone who makes plays on the outside, deep. Not an over the middle possession receiver.
by mhuff13 on Nov 24, 2008 7:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That Bucs team is often incorrectly characterized.
People forget that Brad Johnson threw for 3,800 yards that season.
I’m just saying that that Bucs team didnt just stop the run and play ball control.
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Nov 24, 2008 8:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
2000 - 2002
Was a transitional time in the NFL when franchises were still trying to figure out the salary cap and how to be good on both sides of the ball and it’s a poor example of the types of teams that normally win Championships.
At the very least I can mention at least 3 times as many teams that did have exceptional perimeter players, (and some of them multiple titles).
The fact is that the Cowboys offensive strength is its passing game. You just don’t have a QB like Romo w/ Wide Outs the caliber of Owens and Williams, plus Witten at TE and then run the ball 60% of the time. That’s a waist.
This team sets up the run w/ the pass, (the reverse of the norm) and they’re just not designed to win every game 14-10.
by gee-roj on Nov 26, 2008 12:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Points In The Passing Game
Even the ‘90s Cowboys teams passed substantially more come playoff time. From ’92-’95, Aikman’s average regular season season game was 18 of 27 for 208 and in 60 games he had a fairly mundane 67 TD passes. Now in 11 playoff games over that same span, Aikman’s average effort was 23 of 33 for 265 and a total of 21 TD passes. Consequently, the Cowboys averaged 31 points per game in the playoffs (yes, even without the defensive TD’s against the Bills) while they averaged around 26 points/game during the regular season.
It just goes to show you that there is no one way a great always win but also that the last truly great NFL dynasty made plays down the field when the games really counted.
by MadMick on Nov 26, 2008 5:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Crap. I didn't know there was an echo in here.
regular season season
by MadMick on Nov 26, 2008 5:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Root for the guys with a star on their helmet
Many fans slight T.O. because they don’t like him. Some complain about the fan bias of defending their own, while holding their own bias that has nothing to do with football. Maybe you don’t like T.O. and what he represents in sports. Fine. That does not make him any less dominate. He has scored 13 TD’s 7 times in his career and he is 4th in the league this year despite 3 games without a NFL quality QB.
Also, please do not use your dislike of his personality as a basis to claim a moral high ground. We all root for the same Cowboy teams; teams that have had plenty of drug users, a couple of criminals, a few drug dealers and a number of guys you would not want to date your daughter. Modern fandom is a strange thing, we overlook politics, religion social norms, economic interest and root for the guys with a star on their helmet.
Most Carolina fans rooted for Rae Carruth right up until the point that he murdered his pregnant girlfriend in a drive by shooting. Baltimore fans overlook a couple of dead bodies, Ray Lewis’s obstruction of justice conviction and his paying $1,000,000 to a four year old fatherless girl to settle the subsequent wrongful death suit.
T.O. rubs some people wrong with his narcissistic, Denis Rodmaneque public persona. Considering the bar, I think we can live with it.
by Trey, on Nov 24, 2008 11:35 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
TO's not well-rounded
TO is a good WR but he’s not versatile…that’s why defenses can take him out of the game fairly easily. He’s not able to beat the press. He’s not a start and stop guy. He’s not a great hands receiver. He is an incredible athlete with speed and when the ball is in his hands he is a great runner. He has too many drops to be considered a top WR by me. He has skills and in a few aspects he is more dominating than any other WR but as a whole there are a lot of better receivers in the league. I would even say that RW11 is a better, more complete receiver. With all that said, I don’t think we need to run the guy out of town. I don’t like his personality and comments but I think he is a vital part of the team and we need him to win. Just like we need Barber, Romo, Witten, Davis, Columbo, Adams, Gurode to be healthy and playing well for the offense to dominate.
by Kansas Cowboy on Nov 26, 2008 5:53 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Depends on your definition of better.
To me, the best guy is the one that gives your offense the best opportunity to score; particularly at wide receiver. So, while Hines Ward is without a doubt a more well-rounded and versatile player with his ferocious blocks and threat as an occasional running threat, T.O. is an infinitely more dangerous weapon. Of course, with the way he’s been neutralized thus far this season (at least) I guess the jury is still out about how dangerous he still is. He’s still capable of the big plays even in games where he’s struggled. Look at his big catch against the Bengals when he was still immersed in a slump.
As deficient as T.O. is in any many areas, he’s definitely a Hall-Of-Famer. He’s that good at what he does well. As for his character flaws, I agree he’s an All-Time 1st team NFL drama queen. On the other hand, while Moss isn’t nearly the diva or headcasse T.O. is, can anybody imagine T.O. dogging it the way Moss did in Oakland as soon as he figured out how awful they were?
by MadMick on Nov 26, 2008 6:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Moss isn't the headcase T.O. is? Are you kidding me?
T.O. is a social outcast. Randy Moss is a total punk. Trust me, I’ve followed this guy since I played against him both of our sophomore years in high school back in West Virginia. I met people in college who went to high school with him and told me some of the details of his early run ins with the law.
T.O. was basically sheltered from society by his grandma, which made him an outcast in school….which is why he seeks so much attention now. Moss has no excuses, other than just being a punk. And yes Glory if you read this, Randy Moss is a punk.
by mhuff13 on Nov 26, 2008 11:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe diva is the more appropriate term....
I’m not disagreeing with any of that. What I actually meant was all the theatrics and histrionics with the media and such; that sort of thing. Moss hasn’t been nearly as vocal or outspoken in that aspect.
by MadMick on Nov 27, 2008 12:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yea he's not outspoken with the media
He just runs over meter maids, squirts refs with water and such.
I’ll take the media idiot.
Oh and don’t forget the ‘I play when I want to’. Pretty sure T.O. has never been accused of tanking like Moss did in Oakland and at times with Minnesota.
by mhuff13 on Nov 27, 2008 9:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Reading comprehension much?
Seriously, this is just getting sad. If you’ll reference my above post it clearly says …….
“On the other hand, while Moss isn’t nearly the diva or headcasse T.O. is, can anybody imagine T.O. dogging it the way Moss did in Oakland as soon as he figured out how awful they were?”
Personally, I think they’re both douches in their own special way but I’d also take either one of them on my team. Also, you forgot Moss walking off the field before the game had even ended against the Redskins that one time.
by MadMick on Nov 27, 2008 9:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Furthermore......
While Moss is certainly the bigger jerkoff for actually taking X amount of plays off per game when he’s not the primary receiver or whatever, T.O.’s quota for drops in a given season is just as bush league.
by MadMick on Nov 27, 2008 9:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
At least he's trying though
I’ll take a guy trying his best and dropping a few here and there to a guy who takes plays off if they’re not called his way.
I’ve never seen Moss run down an INT from 40 yards away like T.O. did this year, or catch his speedy RB running downfield to block on a long run play.
I get your point that they’re both amazing talents and both a little nuts. I’m just saying I’ll take the nutty guy who has a legendary work ethic and tries in practice and on the field over a guy who rarely tries.
My buddy was a (forget the term in college, but basically like the practice squad) kicker for Marshall when Moss played there. He said Moss would walk up to practice smoking a blunt. That’s his idea of practicing hard.
I think Moss is the most talented WR in NFL history. For some crazy reason, he was my favorite player for a long time (probably the WV ties), but his lack of a work ethic kept him from being the greatest WR of all time.
by mhuff13 on Nov 27, 2008 10:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
From what I’ve seen so far, RWII has incredible hands and I can’t wait to see him fully integrated into this offense. I would love to see one game where TO, Witten and RWII can all get off because MB3 is getting run into the ground. If this can start firing on all cylinders, this team can be scary good so it will certainly be interesting to see how this season plays out.
by Billito on Nov 26, 2008 6:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Really...Thats a joke...right?
I like Williams, but the only standard he can be considered a better reciver then Williams is his future potential is higher then Owens because he is eight years younger.
Performance StandardOn offense, the goal is to move the ball down the field. Owens is tied for 4th on the all time Touchdown list with Marshall Faulk.. The three players he is chasing are Jerry Rice, Emmitt Smith and Marcus Allen. He is is nearing 14,000 yards, he is7th in all time recieving yards and another 1200 yards and he will pass ever former reciever not named Jerry Rice
Roy Williams has had a nice college carrer, one season with more then a 1000 yards and has never scored 10 TDs in a season. At the half way point in his career he is nearling in 4000 yards and has 30 TDs
The What have you done for me lately standardOwens has 715 yards and 7TDs. He is having an off season, yet his numbers still project to 1000 yrd 10 TD seasons that Roy Williams still has yet to have. Owens has 340 yrds – 2 TD. If you want to look at two seasons, TO has over 2000 yrds and 22 TD to less then 1200 yrds and 7TDs.
Impact on the game standard.You state that Owens is easy to take out of the game. All you need to do is press him with a high quality man on man cover guy and a extra DB to protect him on the five or six plays that TO gets past him and burns him deep. First, there less then ten high quality man on man corners in the league. Almost no one has two of them. Second, any player who takes two players to keep him in check is dominates the complextion of the game because they free up teammates.
Williams has seldom drawn a double team this year. In the past he teams mixed in some double coverage, but he has never seen it like TO or Randy Moss get it.
Repeat after me: I don’t like Owens, he is still spouting off while having an offseason compared to the hall of fame numbers he has produced, therefor he is not really that good and he really never was great to begin with. It’s an irrational arguement, but at least we can understand where it is comming from.
by Trey, on Nov 26, 2008 11:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1 Trey....way to put it all in perspective
A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.
"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones
by BoyzRback on Nov 27, 2008 11:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks,
What is with the +1? or +1000 I have seen on this site?
by Trey, on Dec 1, 2008 12:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The above post was in response to the statement that Roy Williams is a better reciever then TO
by Trey, on Nov 26, 2008 11:14 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
TO
I think we are starting to see the Roy Williams affect, teams have to respect Roy…
We are dangerous, only thing stopping us is injuries..
Anyone who questions Jerry’s decision as GM just doesn’t get it..
I was a little hesisitent by with Bennett and Felix draft selections, not anymore..
Go Jerry!!
"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"
by Wmillion on Nov 28, 2008 12:09 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Just wait until next year
Our weapons are going to be endless, with Felix coming back and Martellus getting better (which is scary)
by mhuff13 on Nov 28, 2008 12:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
TO was telling the truth. although not politically correct. Garrett, or whosoever was responsible for Brad to be kept as QB….not playing Felix, and losing to the pathetic Rams should worry more than TO to be on the team next year. Labaron James says something even worse than TO against his team and I can bnet you every Basketbasketball team would roll out a red carpet for him.
Yes, TO is a high maintence player. But if we go to the playoffs this year or SB next year much of it would be due to him. TO, I believe has another 2-4 years in him before we may see the decline. His numbers generally continue to be the same before he was a Cowboy. His decline during the Brad QB’ed games is another story.
by CBfan on Nov 29, 2008 10:02 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

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