So, How Fat is Montrae Holland?
Numerous sources are reporting that Kyle Kosier re-sprained his foot yesterday and may be shut down for the rest of the season. That's extremely disappointing but not surprising. Re-view your game tape if you have it and you'll see Kosier was being bull rushed by 'Niners DTs in the first quarter. This isn't the same guy who was helping Andre Gurode blow open holes in Washington last week.
Wade Phillips said in today's presser that Cory Proctor would return to the LG slot. Which raises the question, how fat is Montrae Holland? Dallas got him in the last week of the pre-season to be an insurance policy for just this type of injury.
Holland was a 16-game starter for Denver last year but ate himself out of a job over the offseason. To say Holland was pear-shaped when he arrived in Dallas would distort the phrase. Holland was a double-wide pear, if that makes sense. He was immediately teamed with the training staff to regain his condition.
That was in August. We're 13 weeks down the road and Holland still isn't fit enough to play?
Does Calvin Hill counsel compulsive eaters too? Because the time line makes no sense. This would be funny if it were not so sad -- and important. Proctor is barely backup level. The Cowboys running game probably dropped two notches when Kosier went out. Proctor has no ballast and can't anchor against power rushers. He also can't generate any push on running plays.
Kosier's loss puts a lot more stress on the passing game to carry the offense.
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Are we making up for the last 2 seasons of injuries?
This is awful.
And what is the deal with Holland? I remember him being a solid guard. He’s got to get it together. How fat can he be?
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on
Nov 24, 2008 7:27 PM CST
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Koiser's loss also puts pressure on
The running backs to pick up the inside pressure.
by mhuff13 on
Nov 24, 2008 7:28 PM CST
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How is Cory Procter the best choice?
With all these young offensive lineman, how does the ‘easiest’ of the line positions to replace cause such a major problem?
I don’t get for the life of me how Procter is the best fit. Regardless of Hollands weight. Why are we so inflexible here?
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by KDP on
Nov 24, 2008 7:38 PM CST
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Why not experiment with McQuistan or Free at this spot if Holland is too fat? Obviously Proctor is just not getting the job done. I mean how bad are our back-ups if Proctor is the best guy we’ve got?
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by DC_fan on
Nov 24, 2008 10:51 PM CST
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I Dont get what's going on with this guy
I thought it was a good trade to deal a fifth round pick in 2010 for a starting quality guard that would give us protection in case one of the guars went down with an injury, but what the hell has happened to Holland. The system terminalogy is pretty much the same as when he was in New Orleans but the guy still isn’t in shape yet!!!! We’re two and a half month’s into the season for crying out loud….
We have to find someone to take the left guard spot away from proctor, he just isn’t starting material, IMO on this team, barely a backup center in fact. He shouldn’t be on this team next year. Where is Qcquisten, can he not step up, he’s played some guard….or even Doug Free, both are better options you would think….
by Deke on
Nov 24, 2008 7:41 PM CST
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I was just about to ask the same thing
Where is McQuistan? I would think he would anchor himself a little better than Proctor. He has the size. And Raf is right, Holland should be ready to go by now. If he’s not ready by now, he’s not worth a roster spot.
by illcowboy on
Nov 24, 2008 7:45 PM CST
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Denver let this guy go for a reason
They knew what the hell they were doing and we didnt with this trade, I didn’t like the trade at the time and this is why, the dude is a fat, lazy slob who has no business playing pro football.
Horrible trade, doubt he even makes the team next year.
And for all you clamoring about our running game, it now just got worse, so expect to see a lot more passing and Romo in shotgun.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on
Nov 24, 2008 7:52 PM CST
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So what you're really saying is Jerry didn't know what he was doing as a GM
No business playing football??? I would argue he was denvers best Offensive linemen last year…
Holland didn’t get along with Shanahan and he’s not a pulling guard and really doesn’t fit Denvers system for what they want to do on offense…he showed up out of shapeto camp and Shananahan made a statement to the team by trading him…..I wish we had a coach and GM that would do that once in awhile
If he shows up to camp next year out of shape, i doubt he makes the team either…
by Deke on
Nov 24, 2008 8:00 PM CST
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thats why they traded him
you don’t trade your teams best OL for a 5th rd choice. If you can’t beat out Cory Proctor, no, you have no business making a pro roster.
Regarding Jerry as GM, he was just listening to his pro scouts, like good GMs do.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on
Nov 24, 2008 8:15 PM CST
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So when Dallas makes a good move, Jerry gets credit, but what the organization makes a bad move, the scouts are the problem
If Cory Proctor wasn’t the backup at center, he wouldn’t of made the team… But if cory Proctor is our best option at left guard, what does that tell you about our scouting staff and GM….
by Deke on
Nov 24, 2008 9:04 PM CST
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or the rest of our backup OL
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on
Nov 24, 2008 9:21 PM CST
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And Parcells, your "football guy"
How did he do bringing in linemen?
Obviously it’s an inexact science. Jones had a hand in all the linemen and the starters have been between great and OK, the backups not so much. It’s a mixed record.
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by dunkman on
Nov 25, 2008 6:42 AM CST
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Parcells wasn't very good drafting OL as we all know.....
The reason why our depth isn’t very good now.
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by Boyzfan94 on
Nov 25, 2008 10:30 AM CST
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But not always
The Skins picked up Pete Kendall for virtually nothing and he’s been solid.
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by dunkman on
Nov 24, 2008 8:23 PM CST
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Kendall was in a contract dispute if I recall
He wanted the Jets to give him a huge deal, and they refused.
Washington was willing to pay it, after losing Derrick Dockery to
FA and the deal was done.
by Rafael Vela on
Nov 24, 2008 8:47 PM CST
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Yes, you're right, Kendall contended he was promised something like a 1 million dollar wage increase by the Jets
the Jets changed their stance, Kendall wanted out after that…apparently that’s a routine practice by the Jets of going back on promises they make
by Deke on
Nov 24, 2008 8:51 PM CST
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that was a contract dispute, Kendall wanted out. I wish the cowboys could of gotten him
by Deke on
Nov 24, 2008 8:48 PM CST
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My point was
he is good and they let him go. I wasn’t arguing that they were identical players or cases.
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by dunkman on
Nov 25, 2008 6:43 AM CST
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i dont get it
is it the same injury he’s been battling or is it something else. did the training staff miss diagnosis the problem like they did with newman at training camp?
by juniorb on
Nov 24, 2008 7:42 PM CST
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Emotional rollercoaster
Man this season is wearing me out. Just when this team starts to get on track, they lose not one but two vital players for the season. Who knows what the prognosis is on Jenkins either. The way this year is going, I’m waiting to hear he is out for the year too.
Time for the money players to step it up big time. This kind of crap will keep this team down, though. Backups who can’t play by week 13? What the hell kind of insurance policy is that?
by Billito on
Nov 24, 2008 7:59 PM CST
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Thanks for posting this bit
Exactly what I’ve wondering. Holland has got to be TERRIBLE not to even be considered for replacing KK.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on
Nov 24, 2008 8:21 PM CST
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If he's that fat,
why not let him be our space eating NT?
by Mandmeisterx on
Nov 24, 2008 8:26 PM CST
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Kosier Out for the year?
Is the sprain so bad that we couldn’t rest him until the post season? If there is a post season.
by Prime-Time on
Nov 24, 2008 8:38 PM CST
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What’s Larry Allen up to these days? :)
LOL
by Prime-Time on
Nov 24, 2008 8:39 PM CST
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A lot we don't know
In preseason, our backup line looked bad, but Protor did not seem to be the best of the bunch. He is not performed well except in small spurts, yet the staff does not seem to consider anyone else worthy or reps in pactice.
Are some of the backups dinged? Do they all have bigger warts then Protor? Really?
It seems the coaching staff has had 8 weeks to consider life without Kosier and should have come up with something better then Proctor. Makes you wonder what they know that we don’t know.
On the upside the blocking at the TE and FB position are better then they were earlier in the season.
by Trey, on
Nov 24, 2008 9:17 PM CST
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Brees is distributing fantasy points all over the team...
by scottmaui on
Nov 24, 2008 10:02 PM CST
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Darned GB defense
I have Rogers and Brees in fantasy. Started Rogers based on GBs defense and the Saints lack of defense. Didn’t matter much anyway since I only needed 10 points from Rogers and Grants combined to win…..
by SLIDE 910 on
Nov 24, 2008 10:25 PM CST
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Doug Free. James Maarten.
Where are these guys? Why aren’t they ready to play?
by Urinal Mint on
Nov 24, 2008 10:36 PM CST
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well marten was cut and
picked up by the raiders
by quincyyyyy on
Nov 24, 2008 10:50 PM CST
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Besides Gurode...
O-line is the one area that we really haven’t developed a good player in the last 5 years. Flozell is our own guy too, but Kosier, Bigg, and Columbo are all FA’s and all our draft picks are back-up level (or lower). Now, I’m not knocking Parcells, Jerry, Ireland, or anyone else, but this is where Peterman, Rogers, Marten, Free, and McQ could really help this team. Instead, 3 of these guys aren’t even here and the other guys can’t even play back up LG? Man…
by desus32 on
Nov 24, 2008 10:58 PM CST
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I think they should get McQ or Free (preferably) ready to go
They won’t be ready for Thurs, but get one of them snaps with the 1st team during the 10 day stretch before PIT. Enough with Proctor. Dallas’ first obligation should be to keep Romo upright. If he goes down with injury again, the season is finished.
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by APerfectStar on
Nov 24, 2008 11:14 PM CST
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wow, this is all very depressing
I can’t argue with anything here. all the other young OL on the roster and nobody worth even consideration
by StillHateTheGiants on
Nov 25, 2008 12:50 AM CST
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To answer your question...
…he’s quite rotund.
by no1cowboysfan on
Nov 25, 2008 1:23 AM CST
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ROTF
To quote a ‘90s scribe, who was asked if Nate Newton was at his suggested 335 lb. playing weight: "he’s a couple of small children heavier than 335."
Holland is probably several late-teen Brady Bunch kids over 330.
by Rafael Vela on
Nov 25, 2008 2:14 AM CST
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If we can get a lead again against Seattle
maybe they’ll put those young guys in for some series and see how they do. Maybe they just don’t look good in practice but can get it done if they get in the game.
No one’s brought this up, but it may also be that the coaches aren’t willing to risk Romo getting hurt. One missed block and he gets smacked. The same reason young RB’s won’t play if they don’t know the ‘pass-protection.’ Maybe it’s the mental part not the physical part of the game that’s holding these guys back.
Not that there’s an excuse for that, they SHOULD be ready.
by Realist Larry on
Nov 25, 2008 1:39 AM CST
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Tend to agree
They’re getting paid to be ready, aren’t they?
by Benthere on
Nov 25, 2008 2:31 AM CST
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That is probably true but
watching the game again yesterday, MBIII seemed to miss a lot of blocks, even to the point that Aikman commented on it.
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by dunkman on
Nov 25, 2008 6:46 AM CST
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My biggest worry for this team
and their status as a Super Bowl contender for the next few years is the sorry state of the backup O-Line. We lose Kosier, who would have come in at a solid #5 on most people’s pre-season ranking of our linemen, and we’re in Week 13 with no prospect of fielding a credible replacement from our collection of backups. To make matters worse, it looks like the Broncos picked our pocket of a 5th rounder in exchange for a KP (Kan’t Play) in Holland.
We seem to have dim prospects for replacing an aging/ineffective Flozell should that become a necessity in the next couple of seasons, let alone an injury to Bigg or Gurode (they seem to think Berger’s a player, but at this point I’d have to see it to believe it). I’m not sure where the salary cap $ are going to come from to keep Colombo in the house after we backed up the truck for Roy W, so that may be another looming hole that we’re ill-equipped to fill. From Peterman and Rogers to Marten and what are increasingly looking like whiffs on McQ and possibly Free, this is an area in DIRE need of attention in the off-season (and hopefully with a better process for OL talent evaluation than we’ve demonstrated in the last 5 years).
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by Jay84 on
Nov 25, 2008 8:15 AM CST
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Raf
Thanks for posting this. I was wondering why Montrae couldnt get on the field. This is a possible explanation.
by Ridgelake on
Nov 25, 2008 8:41 AM CST
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This Is So Frustrating
I have no sympathy for this pathetic fatbody. He’s paid tens of thousands per game, and he can’t get off the buffet line. It’s called self control and discipline, and those who don’t have it should be punished. Put him on PUP and ridicule his fat @ss every week he doesn’t see significant weight loss.
by GhostofGaryHogeboom on
Nov 25, 2008 9:23 AM CST
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Is Procter our only option?
What happened to McQ, Free, and Marten? It seems like this is a golden opportunity to see what those guys can do from the guard spot. And don’t give me the Procter has more experience thing, because McQ played his rookie year and was once thought of as having potential.
The only way I want to see Procter out there is if they kicked Gurode out to LG and let Procter play Center. He’s not bad there, and Gurode can be a pretty good Guard while Holland hits the treadmill. At least, Procter hasn’t shown a pinchon for high shotgun snaps.
George Teague did it all.
by Aaron Novinger (Bigrigga31) on
Nov 25, 2008 9:40 AM CST
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