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Cowboys Pro Bowlers: It's a Long Way Down from 13

Pro Bowl spots are still a few weeks away but we've seen enough to know who's in the running for a free Honolulu vacation and who won't be.

It's going to be a big drop down for the Cowboys, who fielded 13 Pro Bowlers last season.  Here are my candidates and my predictions:

 

Star-divide

D-Line

Last year -- none

This year -- Jay Ratliff:  Pass rushing interior linemen are rare, valued commodities.  Pass rushing nose tackles are even more rare.  Ratliff can make a case for being Dallas' defensive MVP.  He chases down running plays and he blows up pass pockets.  He has 6.0 sacks, leaving him third among all NFL interior linemen, behind Tennessee's Albert Haynesworth and Minnesota's Pat Williams.  Ratliff and Cleveland's Shaun Rogers (4.0) are the only NTs to rank in the top 40 sackers.

Linebackers

Last year -- Demarcus Ware and Greg Ellis

This year: -- Ware:  He's lost his wingman;  Ellis has faded, posting just 4.0 sacks this year.  Ware continues to improve his yearly totals.  He's tied for 2nd in sacks with 12.0 through eleven games. 

Secondary

Last year -- Ken Hamlin, Roy Williams, Terence Newman

This year -- none:  Hamlin is the only player worthy of consideration and his game has dropped a notch.  He might make it on reputation, but he won't deserve it.

Quarterback

Last year -- Tony Romo

This year -- Romo:  The competition is tougher this year.  Drew Brees is posting insane stats and Kurt Warner is getting MVP consideration.  Jason Campbell was flawless for the first seven games of Washington's season and Matt Ryan is having one of the best rookie campaigns by a QB in a while.

That said, Romo has proven his value to Dallas, leading them back into the playoff hunt with a splint on his little finger.  He's QB rating tops 100.  If he gets Dallas to the postseason, he's going back to Hawaii.

Running back

Last year -- Marion Barber

This year -- none  Barber is the Cowboys work horse.  Felix Jones fell by the way side.  Tashard Choice is just getting going.  His fullback missed time.  His o-line has been beaten up.  Doesn't matter.  Barber keeps going. 

But he's playing in an NFC chock full of tough, young runners.  Clinton Portis is leading the conference on a bum knee.  Adrian Peterson follows close behind  Michael Turner has been a sensation for Atlanta.  Matt Forte has been the best of an amazing crop of rookie runners and Brandon Jacobs is the blunt instrument in New York's bludgeoning running game.

All five of these guys have more yards than Barber, as does Carolina's D'Angelo Williams.  Sorry Marion, but it's a numbers game and the numbers don't show how gritty you've been this year.  Maybe you'll get a playoff win or two as compensation.

Wide Receiver

Last year -- Terrell Owens

This year -- none:  Losing his QB hurt Owens, who barely saw the ball mid-season.  There's still time for him to climb back into this race with a strong stretch run.  He's about 300 yards behind conference lock Larry Fitzgerald.  But he's got a lot of perennials to climb over, including Steve Smith and Santana Moss.  It will take at least a couple more big games like Sunday's but with a healthy Romo, anything is possible. 

Tight End

Last year -- Jason Witten

This year -- Witten

He's the man.  He has played with a cracked rib the last month.  He took a shot to the jaw on Sunday.  He refuses to come out.  He's the best TE in the NFL. 

Offensive Line

Last year -- Flozell Adams, Andre Gurode, Leonard Davis

This year -- Gurode?  Davis?

Offensive line is funny. Guys makes this squad off reputation a lot, because fans can't really see what's going on.  An endorsement from John Madden goes a long way. 

The entire Dallas line has suffered this year.  Adams has played through serious shoulder and finger injuries.  He was the no armed man in October and speed rushers destroyed him.  He's better, but the damage to voters has been done.  Gurode has had good games and bad games and has a fair chance to make it, thought the Giants Shaun O'Hara has the starting spot locked up and the Bears Olin Kreutz will get some votes with Matt Forte running so well behind him.

Davis is still a dominator and the Cowboys have been a right handed team since Kyle Kosier went down.  He's got perhaps the best chance but he plays the same position as New York's Chris Snee, who's probably the conference's best guard right now. 

Marc Colombo has probably been the Cowboys best lineman this year and it would be great to see him get a Mark Tuinei-esque late career nod, but RTs are largely ignored by Pro Bowl voters.  The squads usually have three LTs on them. 

Special Teams

Last season -- Mat McBriar

This year -- none:  Nick Folk is having a good season but he doesn't have a shot.  His kickoffs are short and while he's 8-9 on kicks 40 yards or longer and two-of-two past 50, Jason Hansen is 12-12 in the former and 6-6 in the latter category.

Folk only has fifteen attempts this year and that won't get you past the Pro Bowl bouncer.

Overall

2007 -- 13 Pro Bowlers

2008 Prediction -- 5.  I see four sure things -- Ware, Ratliff, Romo and Witten.  I have a feeling one of the o-linemen, either Davis or Gurode, will sneak in if Dallas keeps winning.

That's a disappointing drop off, but I think the players, and all of us, would be gleefully trade six or seven Pro Bowl spots for some playoff victories.

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I wish the Cowboys could play tomorrows game in a shallow pool of turkey and gravy.

by Becho on Nov 26, 2008 12:41 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Ratliff doesn't make it...no way

He’s been good, but too inconsistant.

I would nominate Davis and Colombo because they have been the best players on the OL this season.

Barber makes it just because he is popular.

Look up... get up...Don't ever, ever give up!!

by Boyzfan94 on Nov 26, 2008 12:56 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Huh?

He was awesome in the Packers game.

He was the only d-lineman making plays in the first Redskins game.
He was the only front seven guy who had a good game against the Rams.
He was very good in the Tampa Bay game.

He’s been there every week. That he’s had his biggest games in prime time strengthens his case.

by Rafael Vela on Nov 26, 2008 1:04 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

What planet have we landed on Raf?

Are these guys serious Raf? They are hating on one of the best D Linemen in the NFC right now? They must be Giants fans in disguise.

by Cash_BSR on Nov 26, 2008 1:17 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Ratliff is a beast

He was consistently showing up and makes numerous big plays when our defense was searching for an identity; Our two biggest contributors on defense have been him and DWare

by commoncents on Nov 26, 2008 1:32 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Demarcus Ware had two sacks against the Rams

and celebrated after each one, despite being down 28-7 and 35-7.

by DieSlowKeyshawn on Nov 26, 2008 1:41 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Ware should celebrate

I don’t think people realize how hard it is to get a sack when you are being double and triple teamed all game long.. I commend him for not giving up..

"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"

by Wmillion on Nov 26, 2008 1:54 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

No.

All of our guys on D do too much celebrating when they’re losing, or for stops on 2nd down . Stop the other team on 3rd down, in the 4th qtr., to end the game—THEN celebrate.

Got a sack? Get up, go back, and focus on the next play.
Besides, the write-up Raf did was excellent on Ware’s sacks-a lot of junk/coverage sacks.
I love the guy, but gotta be honest…..

by Realist Larry on Nov 26, 2008 2:10 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed.

People get on TO for saying he wants the ball when they lose saying he’s more concerned about his stats. Well, when Ware’s team is losing by 28 points, he makes an outstanding play gets up and starts celebrating it raises an eyebrow. Shouldn’t he be just as angry and depressed as the rest of the guys that the team is about to hang up another “L” in the stat sheet? Instead he’s doing his celebrations because he’s hanging up another sack on his personal stat sheet.

by DieSlowKeyshawn on Nov 26, 2008 2:17 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

-1

"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"

by Wmillion on Nov 26, 2008 6:13 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Ware tied sack record

keep in mind that when Ware got that sack, he tied the NFL record for sacks in consecutive games. So despite the fact that they were getting blown out, he deserved to celebrate that one, more so than just any other sack at least, imho.

by scottmaui on Nov 26, 2008 6:32 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I completely agree...

Get off the field on 3rd down, then celebrate when you are on the sideline. I’m sick of seeing a running back run for 8 yards on first down, someone lay a lick on him, and while it’s 2nd and 2, we have 3 defensive guys doing the Jason David “crypt walk”

by commoncents on Nov 26, 2008 2:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

-1

I completely disagree, I think if you work that hard and you usually only get 12-20 for 365 day period, you better enjoy them..

I also think the league should let players celebrate in the end zone..

"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"

by Wmillion on Nov 26, 2008 6:15 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

uhhh

so when you are down by 20 pts playing basketball and you drain a 3 at the buzzer, you are the guy running around giving high fives and doing your “signature dance”?? I don’t get it? Show some humility in doing what you are supposed to do. Line back up and do it again..

by commoncents on Nov 26, 2008 6:25 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

-1

"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"

by Wmillion on Nov 26, 2008 6:13 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Ware had Three sacks I think

playing Adam Goldberg, a RG who was plugged in there because of injuries.
You notice all of Stephen Jackson’s big runs were wide in that game?

The DEs, OLBs and the safeties were abysmal in that game against the run. I hope that’s the last I ever see of Roy Williams in a Dallas uniform. I know he had a bum arm but he had no taste for contact, and he’s supposed to be a head hunter.

by Rafael Vela on Nov 26, 2008 1:43 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Roy Williams changed drastically from his first few years in the league. This seems odd, but he made a lot of noise about “finding God” in the past couple years and he certainly hasn’t been the ‘head-hunter’ we used to know him as.

by DieSlowKeyshawn on Nov 26, 2008 1:45 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Right

and his hiding behind God when lashing back at the haters this spring was embarrassing. I guess we’re all going to hell for criticizing his poor play.

That was the final straw for me. I’m a faithful person but my failing belong to me.
Roy can only whine and point fingers when he’s confronted with his. I’m reacting
harshly but he’s getting huge money. He needs to be a man and work on his game.

by Rafael Vela on Nov 26, 2008 1:52 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It doesn't matter who he was matched up against...

Think about it, if Romo were sacked 3 times because Fat Holland is playing instead of Kosier, we wouldn’t say oh well, the opposition only had 3 sacks because Holland was filling in for Kosier, we’d say Holland is a fat piece of crap.

by DieSlowKeyshawn on Nov 26, 2008 1:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Sure

But the Rams won that game because Stephen Jackson was running toss plays and stretch plays left and right at the flanks of the Dallas D.

And Ware plays out there. And he was as lousy against the run that day as any of his peers.

I talk to sources to review game tape. I haven’t spoken to them since the bye but at mid-season they told me Ratliff was having a better year than Ware.

And Ratliff has had his two best games since then. In by book he’s the defensive MVP right now.

by Rafael Vela on Nov 26, 2008 1:49 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

the run that Jackson took to the house

went to the right where Ware was playing on that play. He slanted inside and Jackson went outside.

http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80bdc0d4

by scottmaui on Nov 26, 2008 2:12 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Isn't that the same thing???

You wouldn’t credit the other guy for the sacks…

by Realist Larry on Nov 26, 2008 2:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Ah right.

Meaning that he’s matched up against another NFL player. And to my point, if Romo was getting sacked all over the place would we say? Oh it’s because our reserve guards are playing? No, at least I’d hope not. Our reaction should be to get on that reserve guard for not doing his job.

by DieSlowKeyshawn on Nov 26, 2008 2:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Actually

Many of us WOULD say the sub OLineman sucks!
As in the discussion about Proctor for the last few weeks.

I agree with you that is it “another NFL player”, and theoreticaally that guy should be ready to play and not look too horrible.

But that’s not reality.

Ahh, Torrin Tucker-is he available?

by Realist Larry on Nov 26, 2008 3:56 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I shoulld add

that Ratliff was out of his mind in the Cards game. Look at the Cowboys losses and the one and only constant you can take from the defense is that Ratliff was playing with his knob cranked up to 11.

by Rafael Vela on Nov 26, 2008 1:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Not sure where you are getting your info from....but

Ratliff had a whopping one tackle in the Rams games and Zero sacks. Ware was clearly the best defensive player that game with 3 sacks and 7 tackles…..He certaintly wasn’t dominate.

Look up... get up...Don't ever, ever give up!!

by Boyzfan94 on Nov 27, 2008 12:55 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

as usual Boyz, you're clueless

Rat has been by far and away our best defensive player and you can’t name a better DL in the NFC.

Don’t know what you’ve been watching all year, but Rat is the definition of consistency.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Nov 26, 2008 3:53 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Really?

Julius Peppers.
Justin Tuck.

by Joey2zs on Nov 26, 2008 4:24 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I dont think Peppers has been that great this year

5 of his 9 sacks have come against the Raiders and detrioit..

by Deke on Nov 26, 2008 4:30 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Peppers is a better lineman...period....as is Pat Williams, Kevin Williams

I believe Ratliff deserves recognition, and possibly a reserve role at the Pro Bowl….but he is certainly not the best DT in the NFC………

I also agree that these players should be on this years Pro Bowl roster:

Romo
Witten-starter
Davis-starter
TO
Ware-starter

note* Peppers is a UFA after this season….Jerry….how deep are the pockets ??

A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.

"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones

by BoyzRback on Nov 26, 2008 4:38 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Peppers is a freak

but has no role in a 3-4 d line. IF he could play OLB… well then… that’s certainly interesting.

Ratliff is fantastic, but he’s far from the best DLineman in the NFC.

by Joey2zs on Nov 26, 2008 5:08 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Very interesting.

I agree about Peppers’ talents being wasted/underutilized in a 3-4 as a DE.

But don’t the “designated pass rusher-type” guys that switch positions end up moving from OLB to DE? That’s what happened with both Charles Haley and Leslie O’Neal. How often has it happened the other way around where defensive ends made the switch to OLB?

Eh, probably no way it would happen anyways. Peppers’ new contract will probably set the bar for Ware’s, though. Besides, if Peppers was signed to play OLB, what the heck do you do with Spencer in a 3-4?

by MadMick on Nov 26, 2008 5:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I certainly feel Peppers can play 3-4 DE....the dude is unblockable

stands 6’7" and weighs 285 lbs…….yet everyone seems to want Ratliff playing DE , even though he’s 4" shorter, and only weighs about 10-15 lbs more ???

please…someone explain this..Peppers is far more than just a pass rusher..

*note- I do realize the signing is far fetched, and would probably never happen….but I believe Peppers can play anywhere on the line or out at OLB and be a monster…

A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.

"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones

by BoyzRback on Nov 26, 2008 10:16 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Ratliff is good, but he is not making the pro bowl as a starter

maybe an alternate

Look up... get up...Don't ever, ever give up!!

by Boyzfan94 on Nov 27, 2008 1:01 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for the tip. I never would've figured that out without your keen insight.

It’s called hypothetical. Yeah, it’s pretty pointless to speculate on such farfetched nonsense but so what? Besides, my post was more about pointing out that’s it’s usually linebackers who make the transition to defensive end and not the other way around. Also, I pointed out that whatever mega-deal Peppers gets will raise the bar for how much Jerry has to give Ware.

Thanks, you’ve been helpful though.

by MadMick on Nov 26, 2008 6:20 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Am I the only one irked by "dominate?"

The word’s dominant. As in, dom-i-nant players dom-i-nate.

As for Peppers, maybe he has benefitted tremendously by switching sides, but he sure looked pretty dormant last year. 65 sacks in 101 games certainly doesn’t bare out him being one of the most consistently dominant players in the game over the entirety of his career so far. Ware already has 45.5 in just 59 games. Any time a guy jumps up from just 2.5 sacks a season ago to have the season Peppers is currently having in his contract year, you do have to keep two words in mind before giving him that big juicy bonanza deal: Buyer beware.

by MadMick on Nov 27, 2008 1:40 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

+1......wake up terry.....

Tuck, Peppers, Jared Allen are ahead of Ratliff. If they switched Ratliff to DE like they were toying with he may have had a MVP like season.

Look up... get up...Don't ever, ever give up!!

by Boyzfan94 on Nov 27, 2008 11:41 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

i agree

I think our 13 last year was overinflated anyway and some of them went more on reputation and fan votes than actually earning it on the field that season. and when I went though the ballot myself, there were only a few that I though really deserved it this year, including Ware, Rat and Witten. Romo and Barber may deserve it but the competition is tough. Dre, Bigg and Colombo may deserve it too, whether or not they make it.

by scottmaui on Nov 26, 2008 12:58 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

On second thought....

Barber might make it as an alternate. The other RBs you have pointed out have outplayed him this season.

Look up... get up...Don't ever, ever give up!!

by Boyzfan94 on Nov 26, 2008 12:58 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Barber NO WAY deserves Pro Bowl consideration ??????????

A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.

"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones

by BoyzRback on Nov 26, 2008 4:38 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

3.9 yards per carry ranks him about 20th in the NFC alone.....not a chance he makes it..

Adrian Peterson
Clinton Portis
Michael Turner
Frank Gore
Brandon Jacobs
Brian Westbrook
Matt Forte
 
I can name more if needed that have had a better year, and are more deserving than MBIII

A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.

"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones

by BoyzRback on Nov 26, 2008 4:42 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

 barber doesn’t deserve the pro bowl based on stats, but he is loved around the league and even a lot of fans of other teams love barber and the way he plays…. just saying that that could go a long way, and maybe he’ll get the votes to go to Hawaii

Texas Stadium has a hole in the roof so God can watch his favorite team play football.

by iCowboy on Nov 26, 2008 7:36 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

well..i filled out a ballot...and his name sure wasn't selected

no objectional fan would vote him in….

A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.

"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones

by BoyzRback on Nov 26, 2008 10:18 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe on popularity alone is what I was thinking

Kinda like Flozell has and Roy Williams has. I love MB3, but he is undeserving this season.

Look up... get up...Don't ever, ever give up!!

by Boyzfan94 on Nov 27, 2008 1:04 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

"Nick Folk is having a good season but he doesn't have a shot. His kickoffs are short"

Did you know that the genius coaching staff actually instructs Nick Folk to kick the ball the way he does. They actually tell him not to kick it deep. That is just insane. How many examples do they need of this approach not working?

by gee-roj on Nov 26, 2008 1:04 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Really?

What would be the reason for not kicking it deep? Because obviously the kicking it high and short is not working.

by Prime-Time on Nov 26, 2008 1:07 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

directional kickoffs

they may be trying to kick directionally to a spot with good hang time and then bend their coverage that way, and hope to get teams inside the 20. it worked a three times against the 49ers, but he also kicked one out of bounds and they returned two to the 40 or past, so overall they would be better just to kick touchbacks, if Folk is actually capable of it.

by scottmaui on Nov 26, 2008 1:18 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

He is not capable of it

that’s why he is “instructed” to do directional kickoffs.

by DieSlowKeyshawn on Nov 26, 2008 1:43 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I hope nobody makes it.

With the way this season is going they will probably just go over there to get injured.

Besides, more pro bowls = more $ in contracts. Right?

by Prime-Time on Nov 26, 2008 1:12 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Prime

Romo, Witten and Ratliff just re-upped.

Ware is the one guy needing a new deal soon but he’ll get whatever he wants.

by Rafael Vela on Nov 26, 2008 1:13 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Colombo is up for a new contract to. Right?

But like Raf said; RT doen’t typically get an invite.

I really like Colombo’s heart and drive. I’ve been very pleased with his production. Considering we got him fairly cheap.

by Prime-Time on Nov 26, 2008 1:37 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Prime

Whoops,

You’re right. Colombo is probably priority II right now, jumping Chris Canty in the queue.

by Rafael Vela on Nov 26, 2008 1:38 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Columbo is priority #1 .....Ware is not up till following '09 season....no need to rush into signing him..

forget about Canty, Tank, and Hurd….let them all walk…in fact…..cut Roy Williams, Anthony Henry, and Barbie Carpenter and we’ll have plenty of cash for Ware to extend during next season…

A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.

"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones

by BoyzRback on Nov 26, 2008 4:48 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I just hope...

We play good football for an entire game tomorrow. Come 1st qtr, score a couple of TD to T.O or Barber, smack em in the head a couple of times, 1 or 2 sacks, probably an early turnover….you know…get the $hit over with quickly so we can go have some turkey and read about how now we have a real chance of making the playoffs, we’re solid again, etc etc…..

Please don’t make us go through another SF 1st qtr, Cincinatti, St Louis (if that ever happens again, I’ll die), etc.

Play good solid football for an entire game and let our hearts live longer, that’s all I ask for. To hell with the probowl and who goes and who doesn’t….that only ends up costing us more money and crap….

by ManTab on Nov 26, 2008 1:42 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

How many Pro Bowlers did NYG have last year?

Teams win, not players. I am sure a trip to Hawaii thrills all rewarded (and their families) but hoisting a Lombardi Trophy is the ultimate NFL reward.

by Keys80 on Nov 26, 2008 2:12 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

1 - Osi Umenyiora

That’s the only Giant on the Pro Bowl roster. They’ll have a few more this year…Jacobs, several O-line, Eli maybe, Aaron Ross, and Tuck are some I’d expect to see.

by Kansas Cowboy on Nov 26, 2008 3:32 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

not to change the subject but did anyone else notice we just

signed a 170 pound SS from the SD practice squad? Wow opposing wrs muyst be quaking in their boots. WTF ?

Don't believe everything you think.

by stoproyce on Nov 26, 2008 2:12 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Tra Battle

They signed him to contribute on special teams just in case Watkins can’t play.

But your’re right. How in the hell does he expect to be a safety in this league at a buck 70.

by Prime-Time on Nov 26, 2008 3:12 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

How does Watkins plan on being a safety in the NFL?

If Merton Hanks avoided neck ‘stingers’ he should be able to!
Maybe he should go back and study tape on Hanks.

I think we’re seeing the last of Watkins this year-for a while he looked like he had promise, but it doesn’t look like he’ll pan out.
Just a late-round pick, he was worth a shot-can’t blame Parcells too much.

by Realist Larry on Nov 26, 2008 3:59 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Well if you're going by weight.

Then Watkins is middle of the pack. He’s tall and weighs about 215.

My point is I’ve never heard of a safety playing at this level under 200 pounds. I mean 170! Come on.

Ronnie Lott was great but even he wieghed at least 200 pounds.

by Prime-Time on Nov 26, 2008 4:41 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I was just being sarcastic towards Watkins. he’s obviously done in my book, and his lanky frame reminds me of Hanks.

Tra Battle?
Never heard of him. What kind of name is “Tra”?

by Realist Larry on Nov 26, 2008 9:09 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'll make the argment that not only will Romo make the pro bowl

if the Cowboys make the playoffs, he should be considered strongly for MVP consideration as well.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Nov 26, 2008 3:56 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

he's certainly in the running for both

but not a lock for either. it depends on the rest of the season…

by scottmaui on Nov 26, 2008 4:10 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Gee, what a surprise!!!

If the cowboys went 1-15, you woud make the argument Romo should be the MVP…

by Deke on Nov 26, 2008 4:10 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Romo doesn't have a shot

Not with Warner, Brees and what Kerry Collins is doing in Tenn……

Look up... get up...Don't ever, ever give up!!

by Boyzfan94 on Nov 27, 2008 1:07 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Kerry crotchety old man Collins? What exactly is he doing?

One thing I will give him is that he’s not washed up like I thought he was. After seeing what he did in the past few years for the Titans when he called upon, I was sure he just as feeble-armed as Brad Johson. Apparently, he’s not.

However, Collins deserves about as much consideration for MVP as Steve Bono or Elvis Grbac did when their Chiefs teams of the mid-to-late 90’s finished with the best record in the league.

by MadMick on Nov 27, 2008 1:44 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think many writers out there disagree with you

He has led Tenn to a 10-1 record. Without him many think the Titans would just be an average team. That alone deserves MVP consideration. Tenn would be a disaster with Vince Young right now. Collins may be old, but he is managing the game very well right now.

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by Boyzfan94 on Nov 27, 2008 11:22 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Game managers have never gotten much consideration for MVP.

At least that I can recall…….

Tennessee might be a disaster with Young at the helm but for me personally that speaks more to how ill-equipped he is to be an NFL quarterback. There are plenty of other QB’s out there a couple of notches below superstar who I’m certain would’ve been able to manage Tennessee to their current record:
Kyle Orton
Jeff Garcia
Chad Pennington
Maybe even Todd Collins.

In relation to this topic, it would be interesting if somebody could dig up how many votes (if any) Jim McMahon got for MVP in ’85.

If we’re using the criteria people are making for Collins being MVP, Eli would actually be a more deserving MVP. You can’t give a guy an award because of how much better he is than the next best option at his position which kind of seems like the case some are making for Kerry Collins as MVP.

by MadMick on Nov 27, 2008 12:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The Giants have success through their defense..not Eli Manning..

Everyone knows that. This was even more true the final 6 games of last season and through the playoffs. If not for the defense the Giants were not making it to the superbowl. The defense clearly carried that team last season. Eli hasn’t done anything spectacular this season to give him considerations for MVP either. He has played well this season, but again, the defense and running game have carried them.

I’m not saying Collins is deserving, but considering he is an older QB with no WR’s to speak of where he has led his team to a 10-1 record, many might consider him a MVP.

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by Boyzfan94 on Nov 27, 2008 12:23 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Tough year to be a top NFC QB

The last 4 games will say a lot to voters about whether Romo is worthy or not but it would be a stretch to try and pick him over Warner or Brees. Manning is playing well, but lacks the numbers, which could allow Romo a shot.

I don’t buy Ratliff, given how susceptible the defense is to the run thus far.

Witten is now the premier player at his position, surpassing Antonio Gates.

Ware gets in. Barber doesn’t.

Davis would be the only o-lineman with half a shot, but in truth, he should not go.

T.O. has no shot.

It’s a shame, because I think if Felix had stayed healthy, he would have gone as a KR, and maybe even as a RB.

I love Folk, but his kickoffs stink. He’d have to be near perfect the rest of the way and hope Hansen has a Vanderjagt kind of stretch run.

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by 5Blings on Nov 27, 2008 12:23 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Folk

also missed one FG at Arizona that turned out to be so crucial for not just that game, but the entire season, as they might have won the game and avoided that cursed overtime that took Romo and Briar out. of course maybe it will work out for the best… adversity makes you stronger and all… but anyway, it was long, but that was a clutch field goal and he hit the upright.

by scottmaui on Nov 27, 2008 2:34 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

vanderjagt

has anyone heard from him since being cut? maybe he’d take a small contract and put kicks in the end-zone so folk can quit letting the returner catch the ball at the 20.

seriously, put your leg into it.

I commented. You're welcome.

another transplant from The Blue & Silver Report

by bulldog jeeper on Nov 27, 2008 6:56 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

wow

Those are impressive stats from Jason Hansen.

by eliason on Nov 26, 2008 4:51 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

time will tell....we got 5 games left...win them all, and i'm sure Romo will have something to do with it...

but Brees is about to break the all time yardage mark, and Warner is playing even better than him…Romo is in the top 5 thus far….will need 5 wins….12+ more TD’s, and cut down on the TO’s….then he’ll have a shot..

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by BoyzRback on Nov 26, 2008 4:53 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

MVP's probably out of the question for Romo.

If the Saints somehow make the playoffs, (even though they WON’T) Brees would have to be a shue-in for the MVP considering he’s going to shatter Marino’s yardage mark and that there was 3-4 week stretch early in the season where Colston was out not to mention that Bush has been out for a while now. The Saints are in the bottom 6 in rushing and points allowed so Brees has had little to no support from his running game or defense.

Since the Saints pretty clearly won’t make the playoffs though, that leaves you with the two old men; Warner or Favre. Considering the mediots and sportswriters and other assorted buttpuppet voters are glorified groupies, if the Jets win the division Favre’s just as much of a shue-in as Brees and even without the division crown, it’s still a virtual toss-up between him and Warner; for the voters I mean.

Considering the voters, and even if he did deserve some votes, Romo ain’t sniffing the MVP; even Kerry Collins will get more votes those clowns.

by MadMick on Nov 26, 2008 5:44 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

MVP

Offense – Brees (if he keeps playing even close to how he has been & breaking Marino’s record
Defense – Albert “Face-Stomping” Haynesworth

by commoncents on Nov 26, 2008 6:30 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Not like this is a bad thing

I’d rather have a full team of “almost Pro Bowlers” than half a team of “superstars”.

by Benthere on Nov 29, 2008 12:49 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

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