Because Good Season Are Never Easy
by Rafael Vela on Nov 29, 2008 11:57 AM CST
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Giants star wide receiver Plaxico Burress accidentally shot himself in the leg and was hospitalized, according to a report on Foxsports.com.
Details of the incident were not immediately available, but other reports said that the shooting occurred at a nightclub..
Submitted without comment. Keith Davis and Adam Jones prevent me from moralizing.
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And to think
T.O. only took sleeping pills in an attempt to off himself.
by DieSlowKeyshawn on Nov 29, 2008 12:06 PM CST reply actions
Raf, if plax is gone for the year
do you think the gints have any other WR who could serve as playmakers? I think that if def load up against the run the gints may not be able to make them pay on a consistent basis. The strategy would be to make sheli beat the def and slow down the running game.
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Hixon
He looks like a star in the making
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by APerfectStar on Nov 29, 2008 12:14 PM CST up reply actions
He will need to be good enough to command a double team at least 50% of the time
otherwise it will affect their running game and that will impact their def.
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I don't see Plaxico being a Giant much longer
I think they’ll let him go. Just too many problems, and Jerry Jones isn’t their owner.
They just signed him to a big contract
Unless there is a safety clause for them, they’re going to get hit in the purse if they release him.
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by APerfectStar on Nov 29, 2008 12:16 PM CST up reply actions
5-year, $35 million deal
Not chump change … [insert joke here]…
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by Raul Villaronga on Nov 29, 2008 12:16 PM CST up reply actions
If he truely caused the problems they say he had over the past few years
With something like 50-60 team fines, I’d bet there’s some sort of clause.
Oughta be a clause
… that covers self-inflicted gunshot wounds these days.
Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.
Maybe Plaxico was showing different shotgun formations at the time of the shooting
just a shot in the dark…
late night, GUNs and nightclubs, there’s a good combo, I cant fore see any trouble there…
The Giants are getting pretty tired of this guy, after giving him a new deal, they’ll probably rid themselves of him after the season..
haha
reading ESPN comments …. watching all the Giants fans talk crap about how “they got the 1 seed locked up” and “we don’t need Plax” ….. ignorance is bliss, isn’t it?
do they?
do they need Plax? I don’t think he’s contributed much at all this season, and they’re what, 9-1? They aren’t missing Shockey any either. They’re the best team in football with the #1 rushing offense.
exactly, They didn't have Plax or Jacobs last week in Arizona
Hixon is ready to step in for Plax. what a great find he’ has been ….
one
game doesn’t prove that they don’t need him. Especially a one dimensional team like Arizona. They can’t run the ball, and the Giants have the best pass rush in the league.
No several games
that’s why he’s a star in the making. Hixon is beast and so is this running game. Load up against the run and Eli will make people pay with his newfound accuracy and poise. And with a 10-1 record, 2 games better than everyone, the #1 is all but locked up. If the Giants go 2-3 and you guys run the table, we still win with the better divisional record.
by ProudYankee on Nov 29, 2008 12:52 PM CST up reply actions
Eli's new found accuracy and poise
Is a product of his offensive line. Granted he cut down big time on dumb mistakes, but his offensive line gives almost any quarterback enough time to pick apart a defense. He is by no means bad, but he will never be the playmaker his brother is.
Possibly
but he is the leader his brother is. That’s all I give a shit about. Surround him w playmakers and he shouldn’t have to do much but be a leader.
Sure he's a leader
He’s an NFL quarterback.
But don’t even think for a second he’s the leader his brother is.
Lol
Ok mhuff13. This team doesn’t win a superbowl last year w/o him becoming a LEADER. And then he proceeded to go 10-1 as the starter the next season. He is a LEADER and of story. Those TD drives in Feb def made that a FACT.
The great thing is
many of the vets are gone on this team, and alot of the talent is young. So Eli being in his 5th yr obviously is a leader to the kids. He’s not looking up to anyone anymore.
Eli is a good QB
but the leadership ont he team came from the Coach and the D. He did his part and did it well, but he’s not what moves the Giants.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
I said he is a leader
Just nowhere near his brother, which you said he was.
And don’t get me started about the TD drives in Feb. He should have thrown 3 int on that last TD drive. And Tyree bailed him out of his absolutely unforgivable heave into triple coverage.
Unforgivable?
Almost like the INT Romo threw last yr in JAn? Lol That’s unforgivable. What Eli did was unforgettable.
So a last second desperation pass is unforgivable?
No it was the only play we had.
What Tyree did was unforgettable. What Eli did was, well very Eli-like.
How could you say that about Romo's pick
It was a last play desperate call. He had to throw it in the endzone and obviously there was gonna be a swarm of blue shirts around there. What was unforgivable was the previous play in which Crayton stopped running his route on Romo’s perfectly placed lead pass into the endzone.
Oh
I forgot about that play. Same thing for ELi though! You think we coud’ve afforded a sack at that stage of the game. I’m pretty sure it was 3rd down. You have to put that ball up especially if you see your man coming across the field. BTW Harrison was the only one who mae the tackle, if it was 3riple coverage he would have been smashed in three diff directions
I know you're a homer, just like I am for Dallas
But any non-homer knows that Eli was a bus driver for that team. He road the coattails of an absolutely legendary run by the defense to a ring.
You should be fan anough to know
that thew heart of the NYG is the defense. And there is nothing shameful about that. I wish Dallas could say the same thing about itself.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
Thats true
As long as your willing to admit that its fine. I mean Romo is the same way surrounded with a good line and good weapons.
Everytime
he touches the ball in a game, he makes noise. He pretty much won the game for us last week. That’s beast to me .
Not this year
No one can stop us!!!! lol jk
Zono is one of these best home teams in the league the last two years
Giants are thee best road team, since the opening game of the season last year when they lost to dallas, the Giants have lost one game on the road since regular season and playoffs. They dont miss Shockey, or Tiki or Strahan..They’re thee best all around football team in the league right now with the best offensive line in the game.
I
think they do need him …. might not be a huge loss, but would be a loss. It makes them more beatable, that’s for sure.
Well see
I guess. The Skins are stout in the secondary, and if we need to pass, we’ll see the difference he creates, personally watching ALL the Jints games this year, his lack of production is disgusting, and I don’t care about the double cover crap, several times he can’t beat people down the field (WHICH IS HIS PRIMARY PURPOSE). Let’s see what some hungry young wideouts do w this opp.
by ProudYankee on Nov 29, 2008 12:55 PM CST up reply actions
And you see how good the 1 seed did us last year
Especially with T.O. hurt. Now if they lose Plax, they can have the 1 seed. We can win in New York.
We
aren’t a pass oriented team tho. Have fun coming to our house trying to run on us w/ your backs. Should be fun.
NYG Remaining games
@ Washington
Philadelphia
@ Dallas
Carolina
@ Minnesota
If by some chance they stumble, this could be interesting down the stretch…
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by Raul Villaronga on Nov 29, 2008 12:20 PM CST reply actions
I Was Wondering This Morning
How could Dallas win the division? The Giants would have to collapse, and lose all three divisional games, plus one other to end up 11-5. The Redskins need to beat them, then stumble on their schedule. And the Eagles need to beat them, but allow us to beat the Eagles, so we can end up with the same 11-5 record. We would own the tiebreaker over the Giants for the best divisional record (4-2 versus 3-3).
Then I thought, no way the Giants lose four out of five down the stretch. Eli and Justin and Plax would have to be knocked out for the season.
But then again, everything has gone right this year for the Giants, so maybe they’re due for a rough stretch. Probably not lose four of five, but then again, you never know.
Forget the division, we're not catching the giants
Dallas has to hope for a Giants this week in Washington and hope for the Panthers to win their games in their division. Dallas has a poor conference record, that’s where we need help. We cant afford loses to the giants and Eagles..
Start the clock
How long until Jerry Jones makes Plax an offer? After all, what team doesn’t need 3 WR that could be #1 on most other teams?
"The rumors of our demise have been greatly exaggerated." -Dallas Cowboys
by california fan on Nov 29, 2008 12:23 PM CST reply actions
he shot himself? at a club?
can gestapo goodell suspend you from being a menace? to your himself?
a friend of mine said she used to hang around with plexiglass when he was in pittsburgh and he was this shy, non-assuming guy. he was funny and fun to be around but it took him a long time to warm up to people. she said they went to a club and he just sat in the corner all night.
maybe new york brought out the lil wayne in him, another cat who accidentally shot himself and came out the better for it………..lol……
"They need security in the world, Craig!"
.
Keith Davis and Adam Jones prevent me from moralizing.
Yeah.
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and Tank too
this is like the worst combination of Pac in night clubs, Tank having guns, and Davis getting shot by them, all wrapped into one.
tank was arrested for having guns that weren't registered in that state...
but he was never dumb enough to shoot himself in public….
"They need security in the world, Craig!"
Good luck trying to catch us..
at least our troubled player didn’t paralyze someone.
Because terry went over to their site to
start a flame war.
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Nah its
ridiculous poeple calling him out for being a menace or whatever. Plain and simple, he hurt HIMSELF, not some innocent victim, which makes me wonder, how the hell does he keep getting chances, I mean does talent really mean that much to people?
by ProudYankee on Nov 29, 2008 12:58 PM CST up reply actions
He didn't paralyze anyone troll-boy
Again get your facts straight if you want to come over here and stir up trouble.
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by APerfectStar on Nov 29, 2008 1:01 PM CST up reply actions
SO then share the facts
He was invovled in a shooting which found a man paralyzed?!
Who cares
They are both tools. Why try to justify one spoiled young, rich, troubled tool over another.
He didn't fire a gun
Some other moron in the club did it, and he’s now in jail
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by APerfectStar on Nov 29, 2008 1:03 PM CST up reply actions
Yea
That’s what they said about Shine before Diddy ditched his ass and made him take the wrap to cover his own ass.
I have no idea what you are talking about
But the facts of the unfortunate incident that left a man paralyzed are that another guy fired the gun, not Pacman, and it was witnessed by many clubbers.
He’s a flake, I agree with that. And he’ll probably be out of Dallas next year, so I don’t care to defend him, but he didn’t actually fire the gun.
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by APerfectStar on Nov 29, 2008 1:11 PM CST up reply actions
Defending one
person’s stupid ass actions with someone else’s doesn’t prove jack. Adam Jones is stupid, and so is Plax. Not because he’s wearing a giants uni, but because he brought a gun to a night club. Granted, he only hurt himself, but it could have been worse.
I should have just written that
Keep guns out of clubs, period.
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by APerfectStar on Nov 29, 2008 1:18 PM CST up reply actions
Hello Proud
please address all vitrol to terry, he is the one I saw making the comments on your blog.
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at least our troubled player didn’t paralyze someone
so that gives him an out for being a menace? please.
actually...
he was never charged with paralyzing anyone or charged with paralyzing anyone…
but, hey, we all know laws and convictions don’t mean anything…..
"They need security in the world, Craig!"
Losing Burress makes the Giants vulnerable
No down field threat? Stay up close to the LOS, and stop the run. Now I think the Redskins may win tomorrow. Damn.
He was already ruled out for Sunday
Hamstring injury I think.
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by APerfectStar on Nov 29, 2008 12:58 PM CST up reply actions
Guys could we please go back to trying to debate any possible impact this may have?
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Well
I know Plax was always lined up at #1, and It was to my belief that Steve smith was in the slot, was Hixon or Toomer normally lined up at #2?
Yeah, ETVal is being a tool
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by APerfectStar on Nov 29, 2008 1:27 PM CST up reply actions
That's not the point APerfectStar
Terry does this ALL THE TIME. What does he merit (I’ve never heard of the other user in that 2nd link) to stay on any SB Nation site?
Type in “Terry troll” on the SB Nation search thingy. What does it take to get this man banned?
Seattle, the world's worst sports city.
Lighten up
It was a joke
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by APerfectStar on Nov 29, 2008 1:40 PM CST up reply actions
Not being a Cowboy homer, but the terminal disease..........
I don’t think it’s Cowboy Homer, more like “Trollitis”.
Seattle, the world's worst sports city.
Maybe
Serial Trollingitis?
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by APerfectStar on Nov 29, 2008 1:51 PM CST up reply actions
It's consumed most of his body
The only thing that delays the disease is when the Cowboys lose or Romo has a bad day…..or both.
Seattle, the world's worst sports city.
Hey I feel ya
I do not want anyone to feel that terry is our ambassador for SB cowboys, that belongs to our site managers.
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i think plexiglass is an idiot...
but this is why i think gestapo goodell has too much power….
plexiglass has already been suspended and disciplined several times….that’s fine….
but shooting himself? i’m anxious to see how this plays out. shooting yourself isn’t necessarily a crime. but maybe discharging a firearm in public is. shooting yourself in the leg i don’t think necessarily embarrasses the league. it’ll be interesting to see how they spin it. if they spin it that he’s just got too many infractions and something has to be done, i might be able to roll with that. but if they trying to turn him into the D.C. sniper or some dangerous criminal because he was dumb enough to shot himself, I’d have a problem with that.
this impacts us because we play these guys soon. and as well as they’ve been playing, I still think possibly not having one of your best players hurt. but then again, they’ve been a lot better at dealing with stuff like this than us.
it also impacts us because we’ve got a group of people on this team who i could see doing something like this. plax’s case might set a precedent that we may need to monitor in the future.
and btw, if this was T.O. the world would stop to report this. only T.O. has never done anything like this. that’s the difference between a big mouth and an idiot. T.O. has a big mouth. But Plax is certainly the more embarassing of the two.
"They need security in the world, Craig!"
I disagree Tuna
Do you think he brought that gun into the nightclub to shoot himself?
That’s the question here, WHY did he have a gun in a nightclub. It deserves severe punishment.
well that's a good question...
but what if it wasn’t his gun? what if he was just playing around with it and accidentally shot himself? what if the reports are wrong and he didn’t shoot himself but he’s taking the wrap for someone else?
more facts need to come out. i’m just leery of knee-jerk reactions….
"They need security in the world, Craig!"
Burress was out for Washington
No, the question is if Burress was out of the Skins game bcause of a hamstring, why was he in a night club to begin with?
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by Raul Villaronga on Nov 29, 2008 3:48 PM CST up reply actions
I wouldn't be surprised to see the giants suspend him
before the Goodell makes his decision after an investigation..
all joking aside
the good news for Plax as a person is that it does seem to be a minor injury, just a graze.
yeah....
i think it was dumb but i don’t want anyone to get hurt….
"They need security in the world, Craig!"
Burress only expected to miss 2 weeks... damn TOO BAD
by DieSlowKeyshawn on Nov 29, 2008 1:53 PM CST reply actions
hopefully it was unregistered...
he better add time.
by DieSlowKeyshawn on Nov 29, 2008 1:55 PM CST reply actions
if it was his gun and it was unregistered he's going to jail....
that’s what got tank caught up…
"They need security in the world, Craig!"
That's why I said hopefully
Would like to see him out for the season any way we can get it.
by DieSlowKeyshawn on Nov 29, 2008 2:03 PM CST up reply actions
But Tank wasn't stupid enough to bring them out in public.
He was stupid enough to have a snitch over his residence, which led to search warrants.
by DieSlowKeyshawn on Nov 29, 2008 2:06 PM CST up reply actions
exactly...
actually the cops weren’t even looking for him….they were looking for his friend…..and then used that as an excuse to search his house….sigh….why that should even be legal is another discussion for another day…
"They need security in the world, Craig!"
I thought I read that Tank had guns lying all around the house
on the bed, one the counter top, on the dining room table, on the sofa.
god bless the iggles and the giants....
right when you thought dallas was the only drama queens in the division here comes the giants and the iggles with their own version of “before i self destruct”……gotta love that fact that other teams have the ability to shoot themselves in the foot….no pun intended….lol…..
"They need security in the world, Craig!"
Still to be seen if it translates to the field for the Giants
And McNabb’s benching sure seemed to spark them to right the ship on the field, for 1 game at least.
Hey guys check this out
http://kissingsuzykolber.uproxx.com/2008/11/7819.html#comments
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Blah.
1) The Giants will keep on winning. They’ve been doing it so far. No Plax? No problem. Hell, they won last week without Jacobs. They will still win the East.
2) Whatever happened to going to a nightclub to have a good time? Now it seems the only thing that can be found at the club is a fist-fight and/or shootouts.
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does anybody else have the confidence that i do?
that if this team plays like it can, which isnt a sure thing….There’s no need to be scare of the Giants, you know?….Even though they kicked our ass, if anybody on earth besides BJ and Bollinger was our QB we had a good shot to win that game and that was with everybody and they’re f’n dog injured…
I think we will win in the Meadowlands in January
And that obviously assumes my confidence in getting TO the playoffs.
I don't like to group all fans together..
But I’ve been reading the Giants blog, and they are acting like they are so classy. Like none of their fans have came into our blog and talked crap on our players. Now I know the one’s posting about being classy aren’t the one’s who write negative on our threads, but they should be aware there are always gonna be those fans, and not an entire fan base should be stereotyped.
Who cares what the Giants fans think?
They’re a bunch of arrogant pricks. They’re the same fans who actually thought they were the best team in the NFL last year. The only one of them I give any credit to is their D-coordinator. The league will adjust to his schemes and they will return to their rightful place as a .500 team.
by StillHateTheGiants on Nov 29, 2008 9:10 PM CST up reply actions
Witten82
I hear you on this. I do try to insist that my folks at BBV show some maturity, especially when dealing with fans from other teams. Debate between fans of opposing teams can be fun as long s it doesn’t get mean-spirited and juvenile. I know ‘ProudYankee’ has been over here going back and forth with you guys on this thread, and I’m actually looking through to make sure he behaved himself. Believe me, I don’t want our fans to come off like we think we are better people than fans of any other team. I just want guys to act like grown-ups.
— Ed
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by Ed Valentine on Nov 30, 2008 7:20 AM CST up reply actions
You may get your wish ...
Here’s an excerpt from the NY Daily News website story on the incident:
The state of Florida issued him a concealed weapon permit that expired in May. Even if it had been renewed, it wouldn’t be recognized by authorities in New York or New Jersey.
HOLY GUN PERMIT, BATMAN!!!!
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by Raul Villaronga on Nov 30, 2008 12:28 AM CST reply actions
C'mon raul he may get arrested
but I doubt he sees jail time unless the gints cut him. Also the trial will be post-poned until after the season unless he is suspended by the team or the league.
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Not to Worry
Goodell will give him a stern lecture, then wish him well to rejoin his high revenue generating team. Giants and Patriots don’t have much to worry about, but if you play for a small market team, expect the book to be thrown at you. Then Goodell is a real tough guy.
the Giants already suspended him once this year
They get it, unlike Jerry who makes excuses for his players when they get in trouble.
OK, beyond Pacman - who Jerry Jones knew would be handled by the principal
himself – wh oneeded suspension and was pardoned by Jerry? Remember that this team has had no arrests or convictions in several years.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
yes but the cowboys have wasted numerous picks on players that clearly have had off the field issues that Jerry ignored
untill Bill Parcells came aboard and changed the scouting department and organization from top to bottom and made character a key point when drafting players.
I dont think you have to sell your soul to try to win a championship by taking on players like Pac-rat or ego maniac prima dona receivers that are more trouble than they’re worth.
I'm trying to think
Who are all those guys? You may be thinking about the Bengals. Jerry does not have a history of problem children, at least disproportionately to the rest of the league.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
Deke why would jj suspend pacman and
forfeit the other draft pick he gets from the titans when the comish suspends him? I think that played into his decision
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yeah, I dont doubt that played into it
I just don’t like it when jerry makes excuses, it was nothing, when clearly it was..
I wish jerry would put his foot down once in awhile and make a stand and send a message to the team that this kind of conduct off the field will not be tolerated..
New York has the toughest gun penalties in the nation
Plaxico wil be arrested sometime today and could face up to five years in prison. Goodell will conduct an investigation into the incident and I believe he will be suspended, but the giants, unlike Jerry the enabler who was running decoy with the Pac-rat incident, will suspend Plaxico first, for conduct detrimental to the team.
Nope
Just glad to see the arresting officer….
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
BA-DA-BING!
Thank you … I’m here all week …
=)
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by Raul Villaronga on Nov 30, 2008 10:38 AM CST up reply actions
Plax at a minimum
should be suspended by the NFL.
He is a three time loser this year.
NY gun laws are very tough. He is looking at a minimum of 3.5 years. will most likley plea bargain and get reduced.
Big hit against the cap. No way the Giants cut him. The Gmen talk all this BS in NY papers. The cap hit will kiill them.
To proudyankee and all the Gmen fans I hope they play Hixon in place of Plax. No way does he have the same impact as Plax.
I agree that cutting him will be a hardship but they prepared for that with his contract terms
As long as the Giants’ Oline gives Eli time to throw, they’ll be just fine with Hixon. They run first anyway, and then leverage the play-action, all behind excellent protection. Plax being out of the line up will not change that formula substantially.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
According to the NY Post:
Read the story HERE
Records show the New York Giants’ star receiver does not have a permit to carry a weapon in the city, meaning that he had no legal right to do so in the LQ Club in Manhattan, where he allegedly shot himself in the leg.
Burress did have a concealed-weapon permit issued to him in Florida, where he has a home, but records show it expired in May.
And even if it was still valid, New York does not recognize out-of-state permits.
Not good.
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by Raul Villaronga on Nov 30, 2008 10:57 AM CST reply actions
Giants' Burress will surrender to authorities as early as tomorrow
Giants WR Plaxico Burress will surrender to authorities when requested — without a warrant — and will address his legal issues as early as tomorrow, according to the lawyer who will be representing him, Benjamin Brafman.
I don't see how he gets out of jail time
Mandatory 3.5 years is the law, no exceptions. I don’t think authorities will be letting him go. Otherwise, how many other felons will have an excuse to appeal sentences already imposed. JMO
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felony gun charges
Wow.. Antonio Pierce an accessory?
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