Dallas Cowboys news & notes
Lots of little moving parts today for the Cowboys. So I'll try to sum it up as best I can with help from a few sources.
First, neither DeMarcus Ware nor Marion Barber are practicing today and both are listed as day-to-day. Ware will probably practice sometime this week and might wear a knee-brace. Barber isn't talking much and they don't expect him to practice this week, but my guess is he'll play this weekend. Here's what he said to the press:
One group of reporters took a run at Barber, and he offered nothing. Two more reporters chased him down again outside the training room. When told that we needed something to put on the news, Barber said: "Tell 'em, 'God bless.'"
I love that kid.
But he did offer up some real comment today.
Marion Barber said he will not wear a special shoe for the Steelers game, but could wear a plate in his shoe. There was a walking boot in front of Barber's locker. By the way, Barber said he expects to play Sunday.
The Cowboys didn't call up Alonzo Coleman from the practice squad when Kyle Kosier went on IR, instead deciding to sign LB Steve Ocatvien. Obviously if Barber can't go, then Coleman is an option for this week's game.
Adam Jones is back at practice and Wade Phillips has made it clear that he will play this week, mainly on sub-packages and as the punt returner. This is a good thing because it appears Mike Jenkins will miss another game with his hamstring injury. The Cowboys will need to clear room on the roster for Adam meaning Quincy Butler's stint this time with the Cowboys could be over.
Coach also guesses that Montrae Holland will get another start at guard, trying to build on his good performance from last week. Could we have seen the last of Cory Procter? Let's hope so.
Also, Miles Austin is still at least a week away from playing.
Hat tips to Mullin, scottmaui, Nick Eatman and the DMN blog for the info.
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Lets hope "The Barbarian" plays
I have nothing against Choice fans out there. I have heard great things about the kid for a few months now and look forward to seeing him get more time.
But I hope Choice only gets a couple carries on sunday.
The Steelers have too good a rush. These guys will get after you and I don’t want a rookie picking up too many blocks in the game. We saw what happens when Tony gets hurt.
by Mojoness on Dec 1, 2008 3:05 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
He'll play, count on it
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Dec 1, 2008 3:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not that Seattle is Pittsburgh
but Choice did do a great job at blitz pickup on Thanksgiving.
Channeling my inner Pacman.
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Dec 1, 2008 5:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1 Choice is more than capable to block on passing downs..
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"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones
by BoyzRback on Dec 2, 2008 5:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
God Bless You Too, Barber
Hopefully you can play this week. Regardless, Dallas needs to sign a another RB -we will need 3 RBs if Dallas plans to make a push into the playoffs.
~Texas Massacre 08~
by TheHeat on Dec 1, 2008 3:06 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I Liked To Have Your Opinion...
About why we shouldn’t.
~Texas Massacre 08~
by TheHeat on Dec 1, 2008 3:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
because your 3rd string rb basically
is either inactive on game day or sits the bench. Before Felix got hurt, Choice never played.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Dec 1, 2008 3:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't anticipate MB3 missing any games
He and Witten are as tough as nails, there pretty much has to be a bone sticking out of skin before they’re benched.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Dec 1, 2008 3:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I hope
Marion it seems like a tough injury to be highly effective with..
I am not sure a 75% Barber is better then 100% Choice.
I noticed Barber missed a couple of blocks/blitz pickups..
"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"
by Wmillion on Dec 1, 2008 6:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Being Tough As Nails...
Doesn’t equal a player being very effective. What if Barber loses some of his ability due to the toe injury, are you still comfortable with just 2 backs?
~Texas Massacre 08~
by TheHeat on Dec 1, 2008 8:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Alonzo Coleman should have been signed
but the team must feel real comfortable with Barber being ready to go..
How can you go in to a game with 2 rb’s and one them can’t practice all week?
No plans on running it?
"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"
by Wmillion on Dec 2, 2008 12:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Most teams do keep a third on the roster
and use them on STs. The Giants routinely play three.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Dec 1, 2008 6:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I was going to say
Wasn’t Choice active and played ST all season?
T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003
by APerfectStar on Dec 1, 2008 6:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
There's nothing to worry about
After all, Terry doesn’t anticipate any problems. So there you go ;)
by WB3forMB3 on Dec 1, 2008 7:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL!!!
Gotta love those rose-colored glasses.
~Texas Massacre 08~
by TheHeat on Dec 1, 2008 8:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
One man's rose colored galsses are
another man’s optimism. It’s all good.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Dec 1, 2008 8:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So You Think...
It’s optimism, thinking that Dallas can make a playoff push or run the gauntlet with just 2 RBs albeit one being gimpy?
~Texas Massacre 08~
by TheHeat on Dec 1, 2008 8:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It is optimism
they tried it last year with Jules and MBIII, It didn’t bite them.
Am I comfortable with it? Nope. Not at all. Playoffs are RB time and not a good time to have anyone gimpy.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Dec 1, 2008 9:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
My 2 Cents
Yeah… Hitting the playoffs with a rookie backup might not be the best idea.
by Mojoness on Dec 1, 2008 3:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
thats exactly what would have happened
if Felix wouldn’t have gotten hurt.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Dec 1, 2008 3:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
BTW
Ole refugee from the other site here… Fancy set up you boys have…
by Mojoness on Dec 1, 2008 3:07 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Davenport
Hey we get a veteran and maybe some intel on the Steelers…
by Mojoness on Dec 1, 2008 3:26 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I've been lobbying for that all day, check out my fanpost
shameless plug.
by DieSlowKeyshawn on Dec 1, 2008 3:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Marion Barber and the Curse of 370
Since we’re talking about Marion, I thought I’d throw out some thoughts I’d been having recently on his workload. Prior to MB3’s injury, I had been getting a bit worried about him. I knew that he was on pace of a career high in carries, and that he had exceeded his total # of carries last season before the Seattle game even started. And I watched the end of that Redskins game, and as great as it was to see him pound the other team into submission, I know that that number of carries can add up on a guy’s body over time.
So I was all set to put together a statistical look at Marion and the Curse of 370, to see if we needed to be concerned for the future, considering we just gave this guy a decent sized extension…
…and then I actually looked at the numbers, and projected the number of touches he’s on pace for this year, and it’s actually not bad at all. Which surprised me, although it might not surprise others.
Marion’s currently got 225 carries. That puts him on pace for 300 on the year, assuming he plays the remaining 4 games. 300 carries is a healthy workload, but it’s one that lots of backs have shouldered over the years without a problem. It’s not a number that terrifies me.
For those unfamiliar with “the Curse of 370” theory developed over at Football Outsiders (one of their ideas which does seem to hold some water), there is a statistical pattern over the last 30+ years of NFL history that shows if an NFL running back logs 370 or more carries (CARRIES, not touches— receptions don’t seem to have the same impact) in a season, his number in the next season will drop SIGNIFICANTLY, and he will most likely miss multiple games to injury. This happens pretty much without exception, unless your name is Eric Dickerson, and the physical rules of mortal beings don’t apply to you. Emmitt Smith is the only other RB to defeat the rule, following up his 373 carry season in 1992 with a 283 carry season in 1993 in which he averaged 5.3 YPA, a career high.
So the good news is that Marion is currently not on pace to join that 370 club this season. Of course, playoff football means more carries, so it is certainly possible Marion could wear his body down further this year, and there is the entirely separate concern of his Eddie George/Earl Campbell running style, which invites multiple hits per run and can lead to a very explosive but very brief career. But overall, I was encouraged after taking a look at the actual numbers on MB3 this season— for all the talk of him rocketing past his previous high in carries and his excessive workload this year, I think Garrett’s actually used him fairly responsibly, as one would hope given the huge investment Jerry has made in the player.
by Tim Wilson on Dec 1, 2008 4:22 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
That's 2 pretty big exceptions.
How many guys has it affected? It’s easy to make statistics work for you if you remove the guys that it doesn’t apply to. You could say that any back that gets 370 carries has like a 30% chance of becoming a hall of famer/one of the all time legendary greats.
by Baked Potato Soup on Dec 1, 2008 5:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Here's some more background
Haha— yeah, I agree on the statistics point. But this theory is legit. I didn’t go into depth on it because I figured everyone was familiar with it. Here’s a link that explains it with a bit more depth:
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2007/370-carries-revisited
As they mention, sometimes the decline happens 2 years after the 370+ carry season, but it almost always happens.
by Tim Wilson on Dec 1, 2008 6:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think they're reaching a little.
I agree that a guy can get overworked and break down quickly. I think the average running back career is only like 3-4 years, so it’s not unusual for some guys to have a big year and then never be the same, but an equal number have multiple good years. It’s rare to find an every down back that can play at a high level for several years, regardless of the number of carries. Their 2004 list had 21 examples, and 13 had decent seasons the next year or later in their career, and 2 were affected by non-football issues (Jamal Lewis and Ricky Williams). For a lot of those guys, that’s just their best year, and obviously, their other years won’t be as good. For example, they say Emmitt was never the same after 95, but he did have 5 more thousand yard seasons. So he might not have topped his best year, but he was pretty damned good. One thing their list did lead me to conclude though was that most running back’s best years are 24-27 years old, and few last too far beyond that. By 30, almost all of them are washed up. Basically, you have a 3 year window with guys, so you might as well get what you can out of them then.
by Baked Potato Soup on Dec 2, 2008 1:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh! That's why Garrett gave him what, two carries in the 1st Washington game?
by Keys80 on Dec 1, 2008 6:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, part of the fact that he has been limited to 225 carries is probably the “luck” of Garrett forgetting about the running game, rather than conscious protection of Barber by the staff.
by Tim Wilson on Dec 1, 2008 6:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
Yeah that was it.
T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003
by APerfectStar on Dec 1, 2008 6:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Good Post Tim
I don’t think his workload is excessive this year as compared to most featured backs around the NFL and our situation with Felix gone to IR. This was to be MBIII’s first season as the main guy and injuries happen. With his style of play he was due for something to happen and luckily it may not be too serious. I wondered how he would handle the load when Julius was let go as MBIII has never been the bell cow for any offense that I am aware of… Remember, he timeshared with L. Moroney most of his time at Minnesota.
As much negative feedback that I have seen about our offense and the play calling I will say that there probably was a conscience effort to keep MBIII as fresh as possible for the haul. Couple that with injuries and and poor play (execution) and it seems to make it real easy for the armchair quarterbacks to come in on Monday morning and second guess everything. I’m not bashing anyone but it is easy to come in on Monday and say we should have done this or that and complain about play calling. There is more to the picture than what we can see or are a part of.
My two bits, lol.
by kshaw on Dec 1, 2008 7:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I hope this toe/foot injury doesn't lead to more
Seems to me that in the 40 years I have been watching this game ,more than 1 RB demise has started with a minor foot injury. i know that a dislocated small toe doesn’t sound like much, but it could cause for some compensation in running stile and balance that causes more strain and pressure somewhere else Like the ankle or knee. Hope not I hope it’s just a dislocated pinkie toe that was relocated and the beast rolled on!
by bad knees on Dec 1, 2008 5:10 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I am not so sure
If it was his big toe or maybe even his 2nd toe, I might be a little worried.. if you look at LT, his body as a whole is starting to breakdown and that’s why he isnt the same player
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by Mullin on Dec 2, 2008 10:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Peter King is on the money!!
4. Dallas (8-4). I understand the consternation of you who follow "The Fine Fifteen’’ rankings, who set your watches by them, who believe in them the way you believe in everything your mother ever told you. And you wonder how I can be jumping the Cowboys over teams more consistently better. Simple. They’re better than Carolina, better than Tampa Bay, better than Atlanta, better than Washington.
"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"
by Wmillion on Dec 1, 2008 7:24 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
PK also gives D-Ware his Defensive Player of the Week and says that Ware has now vaulted to the top of his AP Def Player of the Year rankings. I put very little stock in Peter King’s award assessments, but a mention in a bigtime national column like that might help Ware get his first DPOY award, which I would love.
by Tim Wilson on Dec 1, 2008 7:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Brady James Should Have Been Player of the Week
I’m not surprised by the game commentators or national media locking in on D. Ware for player of the game/week but I’m really surprised that B. James didn’t get more love from the people on this site. I really like D. Ware but come on it’s not even close.
D. Ware had 3 sacks and 4 tackles in the game but B. James had 2 sacks, 12 tackles, one assist, and one forced fumble. I
by staubachfan on Dec 1, 2008 8:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1 staubach..............Bradie James was the true "Gobbler" winner...
A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.
"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones
by BoyzRback on Dec 2, 2008 5:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree, but Ware is such a beast
I think it was a close call.
I’m just glad to see I’m not the only fan who thinks Bradie is having a great season.
D-Ware, Rat, and Bradie have been the best defensive players all year. If Spencer will just play up to the level we all thought he would, look out!
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by APerfectStar on Dec 2, 2008 7:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bradie's Success Was a Result, Not a Cause
I’d disagree with you— Ware beat a perennial All-Pro for all 3 of his sacks, and the free shots on the QB that James got were largely a result of the pressure being applied by Ware and Raitliff. Great game for Bradie, to be sure, and I don’t want to take anything away from him, but I don’t think there’s any question that our defensive MVP last week was Demarcus Ware.
by Tim Wilson on Dec 2, 2008 11:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This guy is consistently a jerk and does poor analysis
So I’m not going to applaud his broken clock-like getting something right.
by StillHateTheGiants on Dec 1, 2008 8:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He isn't perfect
but I like to read his stuff
"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"
by Wmillion on Dec 2, 2008 12:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And still those MoFos might
make the playoffs and not Dallas. That Sux.
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by dunkman on Dec 1, 2008 8:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

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