Terrell Owens and Tony Romo: What's the deal?
My, my, things have gotten a little hot at Valley Ranch in the middle of December. Everybody's favorite bogeyman, Terrell Owens, has been dragged back into the spotlight. Ol' ESPN and Ed Werder are having a field day with quotes from an anonymous Cowboys player who probably isn't on T.O.'s Christmas card list.
What to make of the madness? Whatever you will, everybody's got an opinion. So here's mine.
Make the jump if you care.
I don't think Werder is making anything up here, he's a tool but there's no way you can convince me he made up all those quotes from a player unless he actually came out and said he made them up. He found somebody on the Cowboys who obviously doesn't like Owens and let it rip. I really can't blame Werder here, if some Cowboys player told me the same things I would have it up on this blog in a heartbeat. That's just the way it is. So I take the article at face value.
Now, this player could be a total scrub who has no idea what's really going on, he could be a player with an ax to grind with T.O. and is inflating his supposed transgressions, or he might actually be shedding light on something that's been building for a while. Whoever he is, he does himself and this team a disservice by speaking out at this juncture.
Also, this article in the DMN seems to spread the accusations of Romo favoring Witten around to several sources, not just T.O. We all know that Owens met with Jason Garrett today, as did Roy Williams and Patrick Crayton. Watkins refers to several players when he says that guys are unhappy with Romo's practice habits of forcing passes to Witten. For his part, Witten takes the high road and says they are not making up secret plays and takes no shots at T.O. Romo hasn't commented but was characterized as being taken aback by the ESPN story.
So has T.O. gone off the reservation and lost that loving feeling for Romo? I don't doubt that T.O. has been expressing some displeasure in this offense for a while, and yeah, some of that has probably found its way into the locker room. We've heard him imply it in a few post-game press conferences so there's no reason to think it hasn't been talked about elsewhere. I would also guess that it is probably getting on Tony Romo nerves and that their once tight relationship has probably drifted a bit.
I guess the real question is do you think that this thing will blow up any further and destroy the Cowboys? Owens is already trying to put out some of the fire with his comments to Calvin Watkins over at the DMN blog. To answer the question, you have to separate the current season from the offseason. In the current season, I don't think this will have much to do with how Romo plays and chooses his receiving targets. He's still going to do what he thinks is best in the pocket. What really matters is if we win or not. If we win, as long as T.O. still has a shot to win the Super Bowl, he's not going to wreck that. So winning will be tonic. If we start losing and blow the rest of the season, T.O. probably won't be the only one blowing off some steam. You can't wreck what's already been wrecked. For the short term, I don't think this controversy has legs.
But come the offseason, if the Cowboys have a failed season by missing the playoffs, there's going to be a whole lot of unhappy people at the Ranch and my guess is that Jerry Jones will make a lot of changes. But one person's job security that won't be in question is Tony Romo's. So if you find yourself on the opposite side of Romo in the offseason and want to make it a smackdown between yourself and the QB, you're going to lose.
If T.O. is really mad at Romo, he better make a decision after the season is over about his future in Dallas. If he wants to stay, he'll find a way to co-exist with Romo. Maybe he already does that and the Werder story is a pumped-up faux-controversy pushed by a player with an agenda. In that case, while there might be some grumbling, things will stay status quo. Or maybe he really is that upset with Romo and has been making his displeasure known to members of the team. If that's the case, the losing will only make it worse and he could force the Cowboys' hand. Roy Williams was brought here to be a future #1 WR, when that process actually begins is likely tied to how long Owens wants to play nice with Romo.
Of course, we could settle this the easy way. Just win the Super Bowl, and I guarantee you Romo and Owens will be the best of friends then.
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My two cents.
I really don’t care about this. I have no doubt that a man with T.O.‘s ego and propensity for yakking has said somethings in the locker room we’d rather not hear as fans. At the same time, as immature as T.O. may seem sometimes, these are all adults, and I would imagine they’re handling it as such (except, perhaps, for whoever decided to leak this to the press). The fact that T.O., et. al had a meeting with Garrett seals it for me — he’s going through the right channels to have his voice heard.
Like it or not, T.O. was made a captain on this team for a reason, and outbursts aside, seems to be a real leader in the locker room. Arguments between men being misconstrued as “jealousy” over Romo’s relationship with Witten? That’s ridiculous. We knew there’d be some antics along the way, and I can’t help but believe that that’s all this is.
by MeanMr.Mustard on Dec 12, 2008 1:33 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I don't know what to think
At the end of the day I truly believe Werder did some ultra embellishing. Whether its true or not its a distraction for this team. Just when I thought another NFC east team was going to win the baggage battle ESPN comes roaring back with this! Hard Knocks jinx anyone?
by NDCowboy8 on Dec 12, 2008 2:06 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
agreed
I agree that Romo looks to Witten too often, but thats because he is the best tight end in the league… But I also think that Romo and Witten should have been in the meeting.. They are adults and should act accordingly.. We have so many weapons.. Lets use them all..
Go COWBOYS
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by Jtiner09 on Dec 12, 2008 7:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
over blown
1. Whoever the player is he is a tool. Talking to the other tool, werder, is wrong any way you look at it. So whover the player is, I have no respect for him.
2. Tony has tried to force it to Witten just like he has tried to force it to TO. And he is wrong to do so. That is one of the reasons for his picks.
3. Its now established that the other recievers are also not happy to trying to pin this on TO does not pass the smell test.
by burmafrd1944 on Dec 12, 2008 2:11 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Meh
Doesn’t seem like much of a big deal to me….meh.
ESPN blah.
by DorneyDave on Dec 12, 2008 2:36 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
It's a big deal.....don't fool fool yourself
It will be interesting if the players will be in the lockeroom today for the reporters, or they go into hiding. If they dodge the media today that speaks volumes on the truth to this story. The best thing they can do is face the media.
2009 Draft here we come........
by Boyzfan94 on Dec 12, 2008 10:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
F' that!
The best thing they can do is prepare for this Sunday’s game
0 = The number of Super Bowls the Eagles have won.
by gee-roj on Dec 12, 2008 10:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We better win that's all I can say or this situation will get ten times worse
2009 Draft here we come........
by Boyzfan94 on Dec 12, 2008 10:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Werder just asked Wade if this team is in CHAOS!!! lol
2009 Draft here we come........
by Boyzfan94 on Dec 12, 2008 10:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
First thing I did after I read this article
…was search for the author (read it in a forum which did not post the name). Suspicion confirmed.
Is this all completely made up? Probably not. But Werder is a sensationalistic, muckraking, sorry pissant excuse for a journalist. The little weasel probably had to change his shorts after the interview with whatever player he got to squeal.
Long story short — winning breeds happiness. If Dallas can turn it around and push to the playoffs, T.O. will be fine and dandy. And Werder will be miserable — all the more reason to cheer for the silver and blue.
by no1cowboysfan on Dec 12, 2008 2:48 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Werder is the cowboys beat reporter
And he lives here and has to think about the ramifications of blowing things up. I can’t imagine a reporter would PO everyone in the locker room knowing he’s going to need to get their cooperation in the future. If he alienates the Cowboys, he shoots himself in the foot, so I think he went with facts. Either way, throw some bombs TO’s way and keep him happy, I just hate the freaking gIANTS and that mouth breather Eli.
by Plano Jeff on Dec 12, 2008 12:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Like Jay Mariotti and Chicago...
Look how that turned out. He was too scared to enter the locker room and quit because he “thought newspapers were a dying medium for information.” Now look at him, he sits on Around the Horn all day and gets made fun of by everyone else for being unemployed…
by AikmanNailedMySis on Dec 12, 2008 12:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I cannot stand to look at mannings face, it has earned the phrase "manning face" when he
messes up, like duuuuhhhhh expression that I just want to dropkick out of my TV screen.
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
by cowboy78 on Dec 12, 2008 12:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I call him "Elmo" Manning...
because he looks like Elmo from Sesame Street when that happens, especially in those special red jerseys they sometimes wear.
by Cosby Sweater on Dec 12, 2008 3:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I laugh everytime I see the Citzen Echo Drive commerical with Eli
unstoppable…………….LMAO!! yeah ok……..
2009 Draft here we come........
by Boyzfan94 on Dec 12, 2008 4:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Turder is more tied to BSPN than the boys, he uses the boys to give him stories but he is tied
at the hip to the network.
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
by cowboy78 on Dec 12, 2008 12:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
F THAT
I am sick of this guy either way. TO is causing too much annoyance. Maybe, just maybe, he has been acting like a baby for a while now behind the scenes, and finally the guys got sick of it. 3 Guys supposedly were quoted, that means 3 guys on a team with a chance to win actually took the time to express how annoying TO has been. I am assuming at some point we have to call a spade a spade. He was a jerk to Garcia, a jerk to Donovan, and now he is being a jerk to Romo and Witten. I dont care if he has a point, I dont care that other players are wrong for speaking out now, I dont care about any of the defenses for this, I am sick of this guy. I hope he just goes away, he is nothing but a distraction and one thats not worth it as far as I am concerned. I dont mind my team giving people second chances and things like that, but when somebody messes up so much, its enough. TO this is how it is, LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT, you dont get paid to think…
by NamingRightsOnSale on Dec 12, 2008 4:59 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I have two problems with this rant...
First, TO has been a choir boy for most of his stay here… despite prodding from the media at every turn. If he is voicing his displeasure behind the scenes, isn’t that to be expected? Even if he does it in an annoying way, you have to just take it with a grain of salt and move on. I don’t think this affects the team or especially Romo in any big way. The bottom line – you expect at least a little of this from TO… why be surprised?
Second, don’t be so sure there is wide-spread dissention in this locker room. If Wade has tried to accomplish anything, it is fostering leaders in the locker room. Tank Johnson, Spears, Brady on defense… Romo, TO, Witten and I’m sure more on offense … these guys just want to win, and I doubt they’d put up with too much of anything that undermined their focus on Sunday.
This is just the media fishing. The Cowboys have their backs to the wall. They are a media magnet. Go figure.
Duane Thomas, Calvin Hill, Tony Dorsett, Emmitt Smith ... and now BOTH Marion Barber and Felix Jones
by DalaiLuke on Dec 12, 2008 8:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
If T.O. voices displeasure publicly, like he did a couple of weeks ago (“get the ball into my hands and we’ll win”), the pundits dust off their “explosion is coming” stories and run with it.
So T.O. – with other receivers, mind you – goes to Garrett behind closed doors to discuss their issues and … the pundits dust off their “explosion is coming” stories and run with it.
The guy can’t win.
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by Raul Villaronga on Dec 12, 2008 2:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thats my point
He has been so bad as a person on any team, we expect it from him. I am not surprised, I am just sick of it.
2nd, I am not sure how much of the problems are real and how much are over blown, but I do know for sure that things like this break teams apart from the inside.
My entire point is somebody needs to tell this guy to shut da hell up or leave.
by NamingRightsOnSale on Dec 12, 2008 2:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i dont even care anymore
there’s always a story every week
so i just ignore and watch the gsme
most of the time the team goes unphased
lets just see how it all plays out on Sunday
Superbowl or Bust?
by MrMinority on Dec 12, 2008 5:08 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
+1
This team has used up its drama quota long ago and this kind of thing doesn’t even phase me. I’ll tune in sunday and the next two weeks after that to see if they can pull off the improbable but the rest of this crap became white noise to me long ago.
by Billito on Dec 12, 2008 7:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Its like Grizz said, winning the game is the tonic this team needs, win and the story will lose alot
of strength. I am willing to believe that Turder is loving the crap he has stirred up and is playing the odds that the boys lose this sunday. He has laid out the ground work to have the long awaied (by the msm) implosion of TO be the main headline. But if dallas wins and Romo looks good, then how will the story stack up against, that? Whether or not TO gets enough rec, the win will quiet the talk, and that can be seen as even more motivation for this team to win this weekend. If for any other reason other than to just shut up the msm hammering on dec and this story, winning will do wonders to that end.
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
by cowboy78 on Dec 12, 2008 8:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
funny thing about WWE
you either love the over-the-top storylines and are completely apathetic for the in-ring “rasslin” or you have an appreciation for wrestling, but can’t stand the insanity that they call entertainment between the matches
espn knows that their viewership is more interested in over-the-top storylines than in Xs and Os, so they cater to that reality.
remember, espn stands for ENTERTAINMENT sports network
wwe stands for world wrestling ENTERTAINMENT
we hate it because we like the matches. leave the goofy storylines to somebody else
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by bulldog jeeper on Dec 12, 2008 5:42 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I think you're reading too much into the report Grizz
Im sure someone in the organization said something to werder, but watching his body of work over the season, there is little doubt in my mind that he imbelished things to sensationalize the story.
That may be putting it mildly. Some, or even alot, of his report may very likely be based on misquotes, things taken out of context, and even a couple of things that are flat out lies.
I doubt TO is mad. Im sure they’re all frustrated, the season has not gone as they hoped or expected. TO has been paid, paid like one of the top WRs in the NFL. He is not going anywhere.
by THEjarhead on Dec 12, 2008 6:32 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
regardless of who wrote or reported this story
TO is way too much drama then he’s worth. Was his interview with Deion made up. He TO saps the life out of a team with his constant antics. I have no problem with the fact that he went into Garrett frustrated about the offense. Honestly, he should have gone in awhile ago to discuss the problems on offense because Garrett in my opinion has been the weak link of this team.
This is first time that I can remember a member of the team complaining about him. That’s a terrible sign, it means that the lockerroom if these guys dont win will start to fracture. TO is an amazing talent, but he is not worth all the baggage that he brings.
Why do these guys not include Romo and Witten in the meeting? If you’re really concerned about winning then they should be apart of the conversation, be a man, face to face and air it out. Get on the same page, but going into Garret without Romo and Witten is devisive.
by juniorb on Dec 12, 2008 6:45 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
what?
“TO is way too much drama then he’s worth” Too much drama? What the f does that mean? I think perhaps soap operas are more up your alley than sports. You’d rather have Pat Crayton at the #1 WR spot instead of listen to ESPN wet themselves in their enthusiasm to screech “I TOLD YOU SO” from atop their sanctimonius soap boxes? How about this… how about you change the channel and don’t pay attention to the “reporting” on the friggin relationships between strangers you don’t know, and instead you watch sports.
by Joey2zs on Dec 12, 2008 9:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree that Romo and Witten should have been in the meeting
Close the door, everyone has their say, shout if you need to, clear the air, and get back to practice. This looks like kids going to Teacher to tell on the other kids for not letting them play in the sandbox
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
by Seanrude on Dec 12, 2008 11:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think a meeting like that
Turns in to he said, he said.. finger pointing..
"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"
by Wmillion on Dec 12, 2008 12:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think WE give this legs
because we’re drinking the koolaid offered up by this asswipe at BSPN, so I’m gonna give my 2 cents and STFU.
We all know that TO is high maintenance, it’s just his personality. That he’s frustrated with our offense, I dunno, I thinks it’s good. Ya’ll notice that “the meeting” was also characterized as a chance to make suggestions. Jason Garrett obviously is intimately aware of everything that goes on there on that field, but there actually might be some positive things that can come out of communicating with the men actually out there doing what they do. I don’t know what we expect of any player who might be frustrated with how the offensive unit is working, and why in the world we would expect TO or anybody to just bottle it up. What’s really obvious is that some of us hold grudges and don’t forgive people easily. Anybody but TO and every single one of us would just shrug our shoulders and say, whatever. Look, they are trying to blow us up. They hate us. That is established fact. They don’t want the Cowboys to win this Sunday. They want to distract the Dallas Cowboys.
I’ll say this: If the Cowboys win this Sunday against the NY Giants, I think we can and probably will win the rest, crap if we get to the post season and play Minnesota, what a gift from God. Let’s all remember the season and cut TO some slack. How bout we ignore what’s-his-face from here out? They would hate that. What’s that saying? The best revenge on people like this is to just be happy. Tony’s reaction to this mess tells me everything I need to know. Raf says he’s like a cockroach in the pocket. I suspect that he is that way when it comes to his interpersonal relationships as well, and well, he was shocked at the article. Just a fart in a whirlwind if you ask me, lol.
Let’s talk about the freaking OL where Procter is gonna play, what do ya’ll think we are gonna do about that situation?
by dcfansinceiwasababy on Dec 12, 2008 7:10 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I think
Proctor will continue to start which is not good for us. I also think McQuistan, Berger, and Free not being able to crack the line-up with these injuries is a major cause for concern (yes bigger than T.O.‘s sobbing session). Where did all the high hopes go for McQ and Free? If they really can’t beat out Proctor, who is more or less BRUTAL, why are they on the roster. Gut the back-up lineman, and try again.
by commoncents on Dec 12, 2008 8:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Totally agree with this take on the TO/Romo story stuff and ESPN. And, same with the OL situation (and possibly safety as well) being far more important to this weekend’s fortunes. Of course, if we lose then you won’t hear anything about Proctor or whoever fills in for Hamlin. You’ll just hear “T.O. ruined the Cowboys” garbage.
Good stuff, dcfan.
by PaulFVillarreal on Dec 12, 2008 11:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If T.O. would just start running correct routes
and actually finishing routes then maybe Romo would look his way more. The simple fact of the matter is that Witten is the most reliable receiver on the team and Romo trusts him the most to be in the correct spot when throwing him the ball.
Romo didn’t look for T.O. late in the Steelers game because he couldn’t trust him after he stopped on his route on the second play of the game which resulted in Romo’s first INT.
This is simply a trust issue between Romo and his recievers. At this time, Romo has great trust in Witten during crunch time, and he doesn’t with T.O. and Mr Owens can correct this by starting to play the WR position the way its supposed to be played and not free lancing so much.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Dec 12, 2008 7:25 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
What abt the other receivers other than Witten??
I saw Bennett wide open on a bunch of plays, i agree that TO is exaggerating things…but anyone who knows the game and was watching Sunday realizes that romo was forcing it. Talking about Wrong routes how come Witten did not turn his head around on the incompletion on the 4th Down??
by thejanusman on Dec 12, 2008 8:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
By TO i think you mean Witten.
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
by Longhorn on Dec 12, 2008 9:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I meant TO....
He is exaggerating his reactions..but i do think they are justified in some ways…romo cannot keep forcing the ball wittten’s way everytime he is in trouble.
by thejanusman on Dec 12, 2008 10:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If Romo Stopped Throwing
To his best receiver because of one poor route, his decision-making is even worse than I thought. Owens should not have broken off the route, true, but Owens was double-covered, as the replay clearly shows. He never should have made throw, regardless of what Owens did.
Romo had a horrible day maintaining his composure in the pocket, finding open receivers and making throws. Trying to blame Owens for Romo’s mistakes at the end is just scapegoating and excuse making.
by kindablue on Dec 12, 2008 10:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not so sure anyone is really reading any of this correctly...
To sit here and say if T.O. wasn’t such a cry baby this, T.O. shut his mouth that… While I realize that T.O. has some major faults, what is the motivation for Patrick Crayton or Roy Williams to get on the cry baby bandwagon?
Roy Williams is a bonafide #1 Receiver playing 3rd reciever in this offense. Its one thing to take a backseat to Terrell, but to Witten too? Patrick Crayton (Crayon as I like to call him) again the 3rd receiver in this quartet. I am not sure I’ve seen him catch much of anything and suspect he’d catch a cold before having a TD pass. How can Witten be open or that much more reliable than 3, count it 3 Wideouts? I find that hard to believe…Crybabies or not…they may have a point! Its not that they went ranting to anyone either. They asked their receivers coach to voice their concern to their Offensive Coordinator / Assistant Head Coach.
by FirstnGoal on Dec 12, 2008 11:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Respectful
I think it showed great respect for them to ask their position coach first…they respected the chain of command…but because its TO he gets blasted anyway…
by tribedog96 on Dec 12, 2008 11:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Did Romo Not Find T.O. in the back of the end zone?
And it was a great catch.
by agapaw on Dec 12, 2008 2:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So sad
… that the offense is collapsing, on and off the field, just as the defense is starting to roar.
Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.
by OskieOskie on Dec 12, 2008 7:35 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I said it months ago, STOP LISTENING/WATCHING ESPN
ESPN is always going to report negatively on the Cowboys. They get good ratings when theres something to talk about in the ranch, good or bad. Have some faith in the staff of this organization to handle problems the right way, if there really is any. If the Cowboys win on Sunday, then this story will have little to no relevance. Obviously, if they lose, it’s Owens fault, and all that crap. These guys are competitors and when you lose a big game like they did has an effect and I’m sure Owens has said all kinds of stupid stuff in the locker room. But, in no way do I believe for a minute that it effects the play and chemistry of the team. This is ESPN doing the usual lets stir up the Cowboys fans with this. Get ready for the Giants game and stop worrying about this. Come on, an anonymous player said this. If someone steps and and says something, then I’ll be listening, but I’m not going to give any real credibility to an anonymous player venting. BOYCOTT ESPN!!!!!
by osa1011 on Dec 12, 2008 7:48 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I
left the TV on ESPNews cause I was cleaning, and in an one hour period, they talked about this for about 20 minutes.
Then my wife went to get ready for bed, so i started flipping through the stations, and they were talking about it on both ESPN and ESPNews. Even had a guy from Philly basically saying, “I told you so!!”
so I completely agree. They eat this stuff up. But Portis calls out Zorn, and it barely gets anything. But it comes with the territory when you’re the greatest franchise ever.
Oh, and i also heard a comment that Coughlin doesn’t let his players do stuff like this, and that’s why “he wins Super Bowls.” Wow ….. GO COWBOYS!!
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by what_the_crap on Dec 12, 2008 10:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No shots fired
Coughlin doesn’t let his players do stuff like this
But he lets them play with loaded pistols in public.
Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.
by OskieOskie on Dec 12, 2008 10:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agree with previous two comments
The example of Portis and Zorn is perfect. Portis goes nuts on his head coach on the airwaves, and a day later it’s “all differences have been resolved,” blah blah. Contrast that with this situation, or the sudden inability to find any meaningful stories on Burress or the collapse of the Giants outside of the NY media and you understand what’s going on with ESPN and the rest of the Cowboys-hating media.
This is their last chance to try to help McNabb get over on T.O. before Donny is shipped out of Philly (which seems very likely unless the Iggles make a long run in the playoffs; that might not even save McNabb). Don’t think anyone has forgotten any of what happened in the past and that they are still trying to ‘right wrongs’ from then. They are. Huge grudges and chips on the shoulder for many in the media.
This is the last best chance to cause dissension and take down the ’Boys before they could get back on a roll. The ESPN-led media is going for it all the way. Boycott them, and spare yourself the nonsense.
by PaulFVillarreal on Dec 12, 2008 11:36 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Think about this--
We can really put this to our advantage. The NY Giants read the paper too. Let them think we’re blowed up. Let them think that we HAVE TO throw the ball to TO now because he had a temper tantrum. Seriously folks, I think we’re making way too much of this little tempest in a teapot. Methinks TR and TO will have a man to man and clear the air. Just like lovers or spouses, when you have an argument, your next stop should be the bedroom, not divorce court.
by dcfansinceiwasababy on Dec 12, 2008 7:48 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
is there anyway they can keep werder away...
I know TO doesnt speak to him… i know they assign beat writers.. couldnt they just boycott him.. I turn on Sportscenter this morning and this BS is the leading story, even before they show the highlights of the ACTUAL GAME played last night.. Its ridiculous
A Cowboy fan from Dallas residing in enemy terretory since 1990..
by Jtiner09 on Dec 12, 2008 7:49 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
watching espn
you’d never know there WAS a game
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by bulldog jeeper on Dec 12, 2008 8:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Cowboys
Could always revoke Werder’s press credentials. He’s allowed into the press conferences and locker room by invitation of the franchise. If Jerry Jones thinks he’s misrepresenting the situation, he can be banned. There would likely be lots of repercussions because ESPN has lots of clout with the league office, but it can be done.
by kindablue on Dec 12, 2008 10:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
after just listening to Werner...I really feel he should be banned from Valley Ranch...
A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.
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by BoyzRback on Dec 12, 2008 10:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I love this idea
It would be a very hard sell to make this happen, but this is exactly the kind of move the Cowboys should take, IMO.
I hate to say this, but this is war between Dallas and much of the media. After this latest farce, I think the ’Boys should take countermeasures. This type of thing cannot be allowed to occur again.
Here’s a similar example: Right after the infamous New Yorker cover with Obama in the turban (a stupid cartoon) came out, the guy who wrote the article inside (which was very good but a bit too detailed for some of Obama’s team, apparently) the magazine was kicked off of Obama’s travel plane.
Translation: You cause problems, you’re gone.
Time for Jerry and the guys to realize ESPN is not looking out for their best interests and take the steps they need to in order to best help the franchise. I know this would be difficult to pull off, but after things like this it should be obvious ESPN is looking to take Dallas down. No need to help them out.
by PaulFVillarreal on Dec 12, 2008 11:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Jerry Jones Has One Primary Rule
ANY type of media coverage is a good thing, whether it’s good or bad. As long as the Star is sitting behind one of the talking heads for all to see, he’ll put up with a little controversy.
The older I get, the better I was.
by Far Rider on Dec 12, 2008 1:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Good point
All publicity is good publicity for Jerry. Can’t necessarily disagree with this, though I may differ when it regards Ed Werder.
by PaulFVillarreal on Dec 12, 2008 4:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I just don't understand...
why this is the biggest story since Brett Farve’s retirement/unretirement. Players on every team do this all the time. If something is not working on the field; the players are ENCOURAGED to go seek out a coach and discuss what is working and what is not working. I would be willing to bet money that this has happened on every other team. I would also be willing to bet that Bradie James, Ken Hamlin, D-Ware, Wade Phillips and Brian Stewart all sat down together and discussed the defenses strenghts and weaknesses at some point. That’s what leaders/captains are encouraged to do, and I’m sure the coaches appreciate the feedback. If TO ran to the coach’s office with tears streaming down his cheeks because the other boys won’t let him play, this is a different story. But it is not. Everyone on ESPN, everyone in Philly, everyone in SF has been praying for a T.O. explosion so they can pat themselves on the back and say “I told you so”. Please leave it to ESPN to talk about the “Trouble in BIG D” stories and “T.O.plosion time” stories. I come to this blog to get away from that soap opera waste, not run circles around the same damn story.
Go Cowboys.
by commoncents on Dec 12, 2008 7:57 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Why can't people understand....
why this is the biggest story since whenever.
Sure players have coach/player meetings but I bet not every team has their defensive captain mediate between receiver and quarterback.
The rumor that people are trying to placate Owens and not confront the problems brooding between him and whomever is another issue.
I agree that ESPN’s tabloid reporting is over the top and an annoyance but open up your eyes and ears Thomas.
http://dcfanatic.com/files/1/3/2/0/2/128698-120231/shambrown_candid_dec82008.mp3
If you believe for a second that other members of the team don’t feel like Brad Sham and Larry Brown, then you’re kiddin’ yourself.
Owens was one of my favorite players and is my wife’s favorite player. All of this might blow over and by next week we’ll be discussing how the Cowboys dismantled the midgets and how all is well at the Ranch. I just don’t think that’s going to happen.
The fact Owens and those players were “ENCOURAGED” to take their issues to Garrett but did so without Romo’s presence, or Wittens, suggest that their is no trust. We can make what we want of this but on Sunday we’ll find out if this “controversy has any legs” as grizz put it.
GO COWBOYS!!!
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by BLUE_Thru-n-Thru on Dec 12, 2008 8:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agree completely
It’s not only the story, it’s the timing of the story that stinks. Ed Werder did not set this up in a day, believe me. This was a calculated story that was deliberately set-up to come out now to try to distract Dallas from the game this weekend and to give cover to the Giants with the pounding they took last week and especially with the ongoing Burress situation. It’s a hit job special by ESPN, and sadly, it’s been successful to a large extent, it seems.
I actually give credit to Calvin Watkins of the DMN for trying to give T.O. and others some cover on this one. Calvin, good work and nice job to counter the BS coming out of ESPN.
by PaulFVillarreal on Dec 12, 2008 11:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
what if they just renamed the station to...
*TMZ*SPN
I commented. You're welcome.
another transplant from The Blue & Silver Report
by bulldog jeeper on Dec 12, 2008 8:38 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Think of this...
Shaq & Kobe won 3 titles together while hating each other and I highly doubt there is anything that severe going on here with Romo and Owens. ESPN is heart beat away from being Entertainment Tonight.
I’d love to see Romo become more like Brady and really spread the ball around more. Get everyone involved and you’ll keep everyone happy. I really do think there are times when he does not roll off the primary target fast enough, (whether it’s Witten or Owens). I’d love to see him develop this faze of his game like Brady did. At the snap of the ball, Brady almost immediately recognizes if the primary receiver is covered and is instantly onto the 2nd than 3rd options then bang… The ball is out of his hand, first down.
BTW, I’m really glad that Madden is covering this game on Sunday. He is never gets into this tabloid crap and focuses much more on the X’s and O’s.
by gee-roj on Dec 12, 2008 8:39 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
A real TO Quote
Owens: I’m very disappointed, because I know that we have the capable talent and ability on this team to play like we did three or so quarters as we did last Sunday. We’ve got to learn somehow, some way to finish ball games. Our defense played a hell of a game. They put us in position to win the game. As an offense, I take it personally because we let those guys down. I know this is a team sport. In order for us to win ball games, we need to put points on the board. The defense did their job as far as eliminating them getting into the end zone. I think they got in the end zone only because of what we didn’t do on offense.
by tribedog96 on Dec 12, 2008 8:51 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
That is the part that gets no real coverage, or at least is not put out in front for everyone
to see that this is being overblown. I feel like changing my signature to “win sunday, ignore the msm, and EMBRACE THE HATE”, I just might do that today.
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
by cowboy78 on Dec 12, 2008 9:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Whatever
win Sunday and it’s old news
by quincyyyyy on Dec 12, 2008 8:55 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I do not miss that assclown!
as cowboys fans, do you guys think he’ll be back next year? Do you want him back?
He’s a playmaker… no doubt about that.
side note:
December 28, 1996 – Dallas’ last playoff win
February 10, 1997 – Mario Kart for Nintendo 64 is released
by 700 Level on Dec 12, 2008 9:24 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
i do
I want him back badly, do I like Roy Williams, yes, do I feel he can be a number one in this league, yes, but right now? He was double teamed A LOT in Detroit and couldn’t get himself open, if we had TO, that wouldn’t really be a problem.
by joey7289 on Dec 12, 2008 9:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Owens Is Not the Monster
The Eagles franchise made him out to be. He’s high-maintenance and acts out, but he’s an incredibly hard working player. Had the Eagles management written a contract to motivate him to behave, and addressed his concerns, he likely would still be there, and the Eagles would have been much better off.
The thing I noticed when Owens blew up in Philadelphia was that a) the contract gave him all the signing bonus money up front, which motivated him to complain in year two; and b) the locker room was divided between him and McNabb. Contrary to the view of the Eagles fans and management, Owens had plenty of supporters on the roster, and that’s why he had to go. Everyone was taking sides.
Dallas has managed the situation much better. He blew up after a year and a half in Philadelphia, but has gone almost three years in Dallas with only the occasional hiccup. I have no doubt Werder is exaggerating this story. Owens has resented the extremely biased, goading coverage by ESPN and Ed Werder, and has refused to answer his questions for about a month now. The story sounds like Werder is trying to rake up dirt in retaliation. Given his vague source, and ESPN’s blind hatred of the Cowboys, that would not be too surprising.
by kindablue on Dec 12, 2008 10:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
TO's
Comments to the Dallas Mourning News pretty much say what I thought. He just wants to win. People can say what they want about TO but if this was him 5 years ago he’d be taking shots at everyone and looking to create a problem…now I think that’s beyond him.
by joey7289 on Dec 12, 2008 9:29 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
One more quick thing
Anyone hear Deion last night? He’s really close with TO and really said the exact opposite of what Werder said, I was interested in his take seeing as he is very close with TO.
by joey7289 on Dec 12, 2008 9:37 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
yeah
I saw that, and they were kinda rippin on Deion for that. But screw what someone who’s actually close to him says, it’s all about what Werder says.
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by what_the_crap on Dec 12, 2008 11:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bingo
You got it.
Thank goodness for Deion, and also Calvin Watkins of the DMN, on this one. They’re doing real journalism right now and trying to counter the ESPN BS at this moment.
by PaulFVillarreal on Dec 12, 2008 11:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That reminds me...
Last night, everyone on NFL Network made fun of Deion hardcore for saying the key to the game would be Robby Gould’s leg…I mean laid into him for a dumb idea. Look who turned out to be the genius. Props to Deion, he may be controversial and sometimes a bit dumb, but at least he sticks to his guns and stays consistent…
by AikmanNailedMySis on Dec 12, 2008 12:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Great point
Deion knows his stuff. He may not get it across in the way everyone may appreciate, or whatever, but he played the game at a level that almost no one can relate to and he was always regarded as a very intelligent player. I love Deion, even when he might say something I don’t agree with. Same goes for Irvin. These guys understand what is and is not important — much better than reporters possibly could — and they understand how the media agendas work, too.
by PaulFVillarreal on Dec 12, 2008 4:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, it was only Rich Eisen, a former BSPN anchor
Marshall Faulk and Warren Sapp were actually smirking and their nonverbal appeared to be in agreement.
I think there’s some kind of fraternal code amongst journalists — regardless of what network they’re employed with — not to degrade another member of the media.
And that explains why Faulk and Sapp didn’t really comment to Deion, but had a look of agreement.
I loved that Deion didn’t care and repeatedly put down the credibility of Dead Terder.
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by silverblue5 on Dec 12, 2008 4:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What does the "E" stand for in ESPN? Entertainment. Seems to be what they are more about these days.
by TacoKid on Dec 12, 2008 9:37 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
lol
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
by Longhorn on Dec 12, 2008 9:39 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
tick tick tick
we better win the next two or things could get ugly.
yes ESPN tends towards the sensationalist
yes Ed Werder is the worst of the lot
BUT BUT BUT, when teams get so divided that they go to the media (and everything goes to the media now — or seems to) its never a good thing.
guys, these aren’t accidental innuendo’s or single quotes taken out of context, this is a player anonymously trashing a player in the press. and to make matters worse, talking about relationships between other players.
maybe it’s super exaggerated, but there seems to be enough truth to it that TNew responded, Bradie James responded, etc. The defense seems to have a view on the interpersonal relationships of the offense, seems like a freakin soap opera of dysfunction.
add on JJ tossing MB3 under the bus and this is just depressing.
hopefully winning cures it all, but i fear the acrimony ship has sailed
by 325424 on Dec 12, 2008 9:39 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
the Jerry Jones
Thing was a joke, yes he shouldn’t have said it, but when Barber heard it he probably just laughed. You think he really cares if the guy who signs his contract thinks he’s tough or not.
by joey7289 on Dec 12, 2008 9:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I do think that Barber cares
Jerry basically called him a sissy. I think he’d be pissed off
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
by Seanrude on Dec 12, 2008 12:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i think
i think barber is a hard working warrior who avoids the media.
he never takes things to the press
generally, being called out in the press is especially insulting to a guy like that
think about it, he works hard and tries to avoid the limelight, he plays with reckless abandon, having someone call him a ^&ssy isn’t right and probaly got under his saddle.
by 325424 on Dec 12, 2008 2:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, I resent that
guys, these aren’t accidental innuendo’s or single quotes taken out of context
I make up my quotes on the fly with no context whatsoever. Watch this — here’s how I quote an unnamed player:
“T.O. poked Wade Phillips fat roll and called him the michelin man before calling Garrett the red-blunder and giving him a wet willy.”
In-YOUR-endo
by accidental innuendo on Dec 12, 2008 10:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree that the story is sensationalist gossip and let's focus on the game on Sunday
That said, I’m a little curious who the anonymous player giving quotes to Werder is (and God how I hate that mustached man and his network). My tendency is to think it’s a skill player on offense, since they likely are the only ones who would be close enough to the day-to-day politicking with Romo to give all of the statements in the quotes. I’d rule out Sam Hurd and Roy Williams because they are mentioned in the player’s quotes by name.
So I think my candidates, in order of likelihood, would be:
1) Crayton (guy’s never met a microphone he didn’t like, but why would he say these things when he was in the meeting with Garrett already getting his concerns addressed?)
2) Martellus Bennett
3) Isiah Stanback
4) Tony Curtis
This is just pointless speculation, of course, but I couldn’t help but think about it.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
by Tim Wilson on Dec 12, 2008 9:40 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
It's Newman...
I bet you it is T-New
by thejanusman on Dec 12, 2008 10:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not Newman
T-New actually said he thinks TO should be targeted more
by tribedog96 on Dec 12, 2008 11:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
hmmmm
1) crayton => it didn’t sound like the way crayton talks, and crayton doesnt seem like an off the record guy
2) bennett? nah, bennet tspeaks in funny ways, it certainly didnt sound like bennetts words, plus the quote implied a sense that this had been going on for too long, bennett hadn’t been there that long
3) stanback / curtis … well i’ve never heard them quoted so i dont how they talk but it seems unlikely a young fringe player would try that
i thought it sounded like an older player, one who had been here for TO’s entire reign and one who is somewhat skilled in using the media… i mean heck, if i were a rookie would i trust a reporter to keep me anonymous if i spoke off the record? it felt seasoned to me… someone who had dealt with the media a lot and knew what he could manipulate and get away with, maybe someone who knew that even if his name was never mentioned in the press the team would still know who said it, but still felt like he could get away with it…. i have no idea who that might be but it seemed like a starter or someone very safe in his position
by 325424 on Dec 12, 2008 2:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I just didn’t figure an offensive lineman would get into a war of words like this, and I’ve never known an offensive lineman that would be worried about a WR trying to fight him. And it wouldn’t seem like the defenders would be involved in this type of thing, other than Bradie as a captain.
So that left me with offensive skill players. I agree it seems like a lot for a rookie to say, but if it’s a skill position starter and it’s not Roy or Crayton because they are mentioned in the quotes, and we all know MB3 is basically mute…who else? Sam Hurd? Deon Anderson?
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
by Tim Wilson on Dec 12, 2008 4:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
winning sunday night will put this bs to sleep..thats the bottom line
win and we move on
by canty99 on Dec 12, 2008 9:42 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
These guys need to stop acting like junior high girls
Shut up, grow up…you’re all here to win so go practice hard and play hard. You don’t have to be BFFs. It’s not a popularity contest. Feelings are overrated. It’s a job. Get it done. Be a man. Jeez…
by Cosby Sweater on Dec 12, 2008 9:47 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
This is childish bs that is not worth reading into
I will not speculate unless i know the facts until then screw it not worth my time….enjoy your weekend and go boys
by canty99 on Dec 12, 2008 9:48 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Shutting my eyes tight
Fingers in my ears, yelling out loud with my tongue flappin on my lips. I’m done with this nonsense. Boycott BSPN, they can kiss my ass.
by dcfansinceiwasababy on Dec 12, 2008 9:48 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Really?!?!
(I’m stealing from an SNL skit, but…) REALLY ESPN?!? This is the best you can come up with? This is such a painfully obvious example of a nerdy kid trying to report what the popular people are doing in high school. And really??? You lead off SportsCenter with this before anything with the game that was played that had huge playoff implications? This is so pitiful and I realize that all ESPN reports on is the gossip rather than X’s and O’s, but this is something that’s impossible to be ignored, even by intelligent fans. And really, Jerry Jones??? You still allow that d-bag excuse for a reporter, Ed Werder and his retarded mustache into Valley Ranch? The dude’s integrity is right there with The Hills on MTV. This is the most pitifully spliced and skewed story. Only ESPN can take a meeting between our top 3 receivers and the offensive coordinator and say T.O. is jealous of Jason Witten, accuses them of having secret plays, and poisoning RW and Crayton. This is a god awful attempt at journalism and you should REALLY try to stop manufacturing stories. It’s unbecoming of you. Really…
by AikmanNailedMySis on Dec 12, 2008 9:57 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Can't Jerry just
ban Werder from the Ranch?
by SB2008 on Dec 12, 2008 10:22 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Werder actually said
this about his source….that he is “someone who talks to the players often”…huh?…Jamie Dukes and Rod Woodson on NFL Network ripped the source for not attaching their name to the quote…and also Bradie for his comments…saying if that is the case it should stay in the locker room and not be publicized by Ed Nerder…I seriously doubt Bradie’s comments were correctly quoted…
by tribedog96 on Dec 12, 2008 10:28 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Good for NFL Network
Props to Jamie and Rod.
They played the game, and know what needs to go public, versus this crap.
P.S. Don’t you think the Giants enjoy the non coverage of Plax/Pierce in the midst of this …………..
by oldtimer on Dec 12, 2008 10:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
NFL Network
Is easily better then ESPN.
by joey7289 on Dec 12, 2008 10:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wait, I thought Werder's anonymous source was quoted as being a player? Not someone who talks to the players?
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
by Tim Wilson on Dec 12, 2008 10:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It was a player....
2009 Draft here we come........
by Boyzfan94 on Dec 12, 2008 10:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Paragraph 2...Sentence 1...
In his weekly readio spot on 1310 “The Ticket” in Dallas, Jones said a meeting took place between Roy Williams, Crayton, Owens and offensive coordinator Jason Garrett. He said it was nothing out of the ordinary. “[Owens is] interested in the ball to win the game,” Jones said. “He knows if he can get the ball, we have a better chance to win the game. We all agree with that.” Jones said that he visited with Owens for 10 or 15 minutes during practice on Thursday, but said the subject of the meeting was Garrett did not come up. “Not that he [Owens] feels slighted or he feels like there’s some type of favoritism going on,” Jones said. Jones also said that Garrett encourages “continual communication.”
The comments come a day after a source who speaks regularly with Owens’ teammates told ESPN that Owens thinks Romo and Witten — close friends and road roommates who came to Dallas in the same offseason — hold private meetings and create plays without including Owens
by tribedog96 on Dec 12, 2008 11:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
There is a leadership problem on this team plain and simple
I thought maybe, Zach would be that veteran leader we needed, but it doesn’t appear so. We need some leadership in the offseason, whether that’s a new coach or players it needs to happen. All I know is Michael Irvin would’ve never, ever let this happen in his locker room.
2009 Draft here we come........
by Boyzfan94 on Dec 12, 2008 11:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Right
Because he would have been too high to get involved…get out of town…
by tribedog96 on Dec 12, 2008 11:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Irvin may have had his problems, but he was a great locker room leader
you have no clue if you think otherwise. If you ever listened to Aikman or Emmitt talk about Irvin he was the leader of that team.
2009 Draft here we come........
by Boyzfan94 on Dec 12, 2008 11:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Who cares?
He was a hall of fame wide out for the cowboys not a Politian.
0 = The number of Super Bowls the Eagles have won.
by gee-roj on Dec 12, 2008 11:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He was still High
Look…I love Irvin…I really don’t care if he was high or not…I agree he was a leader…but guess what…his era is over…the triplets era is over…but simply for the record…if they had been losing (they are better than the present day cowboys) we would see him differently…and when these Cowboys start winning…we won’t be having these conversations…any idiot can see that really RW and TO were open…even Crayton was open….hell Witten knew they were open that’s why he didn’t even turn to look at the pass…as hard as it is for some of you to admit…TO is right…let the play progress…win games…do you remember TO’s game against the 49ers….check Witten’s stats for that game…the are better together rather than when Romo has tunnel vision…
by tribedog96 on Dec 12, 2008 11:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Irvin type leadership styles
Those type of leaders just seem to come few and far between.
Unfortunately.
by Chris Hanes on Dec 12, 2008 2:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Witten is Tony's Jay Novacek
Just like Troy went to Jay in key times, Tony goes to Witten.
Yes, Michael was there, but don’t forget how the TE has always been a move the chains part of the Cowboys offense.
Troys comment about Jay: I didn’t see you, but I knew you would be there so I threw it to the spot.
That’s what I feel Tony thinks about Witten. He knows he will be there.
TO is a great receiver, but does drop some easy ones , so I can understand Tony looking for reliable hands when he needs it.
by oldtimer on Dec 12, 2008 10:31 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'm with TO on this one.....
Romo has been playing favorites with Witten lately — it’s been obvious, even to my girlfriend who knows nothing about football — during the game last Sunday.
If I’m the coach of the Cowboys, I take Wittenout of Romo’s hotel room on the road and I make TO his new road roommate, to force them to work it out — and ot break up the Romo – Witten clique that has started.
Have you heard that Romo and Witten always ride in the back row of the airplane or bus together too? Geez guys… you’re acting like a couple of dorky high school kids — it’s ridiculous!
- Hakrjak
by hakrjak on Dec 12, 2008 10:46 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Actually Romo's best friend is Bobby Carpenter
but Witten is his favorite target on the team. Great for my fantasy team..lol
2009 Draft here we come........
by Boyzfan94 on Dec 12, 2008 10:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well Grizz's write up on Wade's press conference should be short....
All the questions asked to Wade were about the problems going on right now and nothing about the game.
2009 Draft here we come........
by Boyzfan94 on Dec 12, 2008 10:46 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
This was the point
of the story coming out now, for just this thing to happen to try to sabotage Dallas for Sunday’s game.
by PaulFVillarreal on Dec 12, 2008 12:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I do think Romo targets Witten a lot but he also targets T.O. a lot as well
Tony would be better served if he distributed the ball to other receivers not named T.O. and Witten
by quincyyyyy on Dec 12, 2008 11:02 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I counted 5 times last week when defenders played 10 yards off of TO....
And Romo didn’t recognize that and hit him quick even 1 time… Instead of was trying to force it to Witten over the middle. He didn’t even look to TO to shake defenders, he locked into Witten with his eyes the whole time….
by hakrjak on Dec 12, 2008 11:04 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
He and Williams both had that kind of room.
If they’re going to give big WR’s like that space, who are great after the catch, why not make them pay for it?
by Mandmeisterx on Dec 12, 2008 11:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
My thoughts
I thought we had a productive meeting and I just talked to Jason about Tony reading the whole play because other people are open besides Witten
I agree, I think Romo would throw less int’s if he didn’t force it to his favorite players. There is not a team out there that have guys who can cover Bennett and Roy Williams one on one.. NO way.. I think Witten and TO would be open more often if we Romo spread the ball around..
Sounds like TO is learning!!
I asked T.O. why wouldn’t he speak with Tony Romo himself if he’s upset about how the offense is going. Owens said he has no problem talking to Romo, but felt previous issues with quarterbacks in San Francisco (Jeff Garcia) and Philadelphia (Donovan McNabb) could lead to problems with Romo
"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"
by Wmillion on Dec 12, 2008 11:16 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I Have To Give Jerry Credit
TO thought bringing in Roy Williams was a move to free up the other receivers (especially him). It turns out RW11 was JJ’s TO implosion insurance. Owens will not be in Dallas next year, unless we win it all. Good job, Jerry.
by GhostofGaryHogeboom on Dec 12, 2008 11:17 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I don’t have a problem with Romo and Witten’s connection/relationship. Most quarterbacks have a “security blanket,” and often it’s the tightend.
I must admit, however, that while our offense isn’t bad, it has been hugely disappointing, particularly given the acquisition of Roy Williams @ receiver. I am beginning to wonder why we don’t have more explosive plays from the wr position. I mean, T.O or RW should be receiving single coverage and liighting it up!
Has Romo developed tunnel vision for Witten in certain situations ? I’ve read posters—here and elsewhere- who offer that T.O’ s routes aren’t run well, but I know that watching on television makes that almost impossible to assess. We only see how the route was run if they choose to show a replay which follows the receiver from snap to whistle.
I just hope we win…and keep winning.
by charlieup2 on Dec 12, 2008 11:18 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
RW is only get better
I agree, TO may not be on this team next season if this crap continues to get worse. With the emergence of Austin I would be comfortable with RW and Austin going into next season. With 11 picks I would draft a 2nd or 3rd round WR as the future #3. Maybe they think about resigning Hurd as the future #3 when Crayton is gone.
2009 Draft here we come........
by Boyzfan94 on Dec 12, 2008 11:23 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
especially
If he lashes at the next coach Jason Garrett.. Since Jerry didn’t name Garrett as Wade’s successor, we will be have to interview multiple sources..
"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"
by Wmillion on Dec 12, 2008 11:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This team
Has not drafted a top-notch receiver since Michael Irvin in 1988. That’s 20 years!
0 = The number of Super Bowls the Eagles have won.
by gee-roj on Dec 12, 2008 11:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
nope
We just go get already proven WR’s. I do think Austin will be a stud.
"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"
by Wmillion on Dec 12, 2008 12:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Which I have no problem with.
Wide Outs are very hard to evaluate on the colligate level and it’s hard to know who will develop into a real NFL stud.
I also think Austin is going to be a solid number 2.
0 = The number of Super Bowls the Eagles have won.
by gee-roj on Dec 12, 2008 1:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
They drafted Antonio Bryant in 2002
using a second rounder, I believe. He would have been a solid contributor had he not pissed Parcells off.
by DavidH22 on Dec 12, 2008 4:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
A decent ESPN article...
I know oxymoron, right? But it kind of diffuses the situation. Especially since the only negatives in the article come from “anonymous sources” as usual…
by AikmanNailedMySis on Dec 12, 2008 11:32 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Nope
Owens declined to discuss the situation on Thursday outside the Cowboys’ locker room. As he walked toward the players’ lounge at Valley Ranch, ESPN asked Owens if he would answer questions and he said, "Nope.’’
by tribedog96 on Dec 12, 2008 11:36 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He is not going to discuss anything with Ed Turder this year or the next.
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
by cowboy78 on Dec 12, 2008 11:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Dave dave dave
Of course Werder did not make up the quotes. But WE KNOW he took them out of context.
See, we don’t know the context of the questions Werder asked. This is classic ESPN. Go back and review old ESPN episodes dating back to the 90s in December and it is all anti-Cowboys. When the Cowboys picked up Terrell Owens, every December the network pulls something out of the Ed Werder hat. It’s a joke.
The point is, this is completely overblown bull crap. Roy Williams Terrell Owens and Patrick Crayton are not getting the ball. We both review game tapes and it is really mind boggling why this is happening. I cannot tell if it is Tony Romo’s fault or if the receivers just are not getting open.
But, the entire ESPN crap is predictable. I bet the only thing that is not out of context is the meeting with Crayton-Owens-Williams and Garrett—something that probably needed to happen anyway.
Getting any one of those guys the ball would help the offense. It is just not happening, and no one has been able to successfully answer why.
I hate ESPN.
thelandryhat.com New Coach, Same America's Team
by thelandryhat on Dec 12, 2008 11:45 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
+1
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
by Tim Wilson on Dec 12, 2008 4:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Dave is right though
TO better figure what his plans are, if JJ decides to keep him in Big D. I wouldn’t be surprised at season’s end, if the Cowboys miss the playoffs, TO is just released.
It all depends. But there will be a massive shakeup if the Cowboys miss the playoffs, but two people who won’t be going anywhere are Romo and Witten. That is for sure.
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by thelandryhat on Dec 12, 2008 11:49 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
well
Do you know of a team that wants Terrell Owens?
Why would the Cowboys want to keep him if they can move up in the draft and grab the best wide receiver out there, and we know who that is. Do we need someone like Terrell Owens with Roy Williams and Jason Witten? Can we find someone like a Roddy White, who is a silent stats player? Do we need high profile?
I have not looked at what releasing Terrell Owens would do to the salary cap, but why is it out of the question if the Cowboys miss the playoffs? He cannot control his antics. And despite this probably being much to do about nothing, his comments are slightly alarming
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by thelandryhat on Dec 12, 2008 12:39 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Teams want him
They will not be willing to give up players or picks, plus pay his salary, for a 30+ yeard Old WR.
I love TO, but I think we could win with Roy, Witten, Austin, and Rookie or nice FA Wr.. Especially if you are pounding Marion, Felix, and Choice. The D has really taken it to another level.
"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"
by Wmillion on Dec 12, 2008 12:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously
Do you think that if the Cowboys released TO at the end of the season he would have to do like Keyshawn and just hang them up?…Please the Cowboys would be dumb to give him up for nothing…if the ‘boys just released him some team would jump at the chance to get him…Roddy White?…LOL…he’s good…but he’s no TO…TO will be here next year…if you can’t do like me and basically ignore the crap or actually see some…and I did say some of the reporting for the sensationalism it…you might want to take at least a season off from the boys…he’ll be here next year…
by tribedog96 on Dec 12, 2008 12:46 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
i agree that other teams would want TO
i just don’t imagine any of them being willing to trade for him. they’ll wait until he’s released and pick him up then. he’ll always command a big contract, but why should they give up draft picks or players for a guy that is unreliable and a serial troublemaker?
bottom line: of course owens would continue to play in the nfl. but i doubt the cowboys would benefit much. maybe a conditional draft pick or some such.
by g8tgod on Dec 12, 2008 1:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
just win baby
like most of you, i feel that if we win this will all blow over. i do see and have seen a bias from espn when it comes to the cowboys. have felt that way for a while. how come when to was getting taken out of games by press coverage-arizona, washington-this wasn’t an issue. he was blanketed every time romo looked his way. now, i do agree that there were several times romo could have thrown quick hitch to to but didn’t. i do think it is being the right way by going to garrett. he is the offensive coordinator. he should be the one to speak with romo about this issue. and i don’t care about espn either. they can lick my balls!!!
by maxdout on Dec 12, 2008 1:20 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Be educated, go back and look at the tape
T.O. has a number of issues as a receiver recently. Teams have been pressing him and since he has a tall frame he struggles getting off the DB and on top of that he usually is doubled. When T.O. has been open he drops A LOT of balls. That doesn’t give you confidence in your WR. Romo knows Witten will be open quicker against a LB. Without Kyle Kosier he has to get the ball out quicker. Garrett needs to move T.O. around the slot more and T.O. needs to catch the damn ball.
The media has been waiting for T.O. to erupt since he was brought to Dallas. Now they are starting to say “told you so”. Well, they may be right. Again, if you watch the tape, T.O. has been ranting on the sidelines since game 6. Screaming at the QB, WR’s, WR coach. Reminds me of when he was in SF. He is destructive in that way. Irvin used to do it but he did it in a positive way, with encouragement. This will devide the team, no other way about it. IF they can pull off a victory they can put this behind them, for just another week. Winning makes all ills dissapear.
T.O. is no 35 yrs old. He wants a SuperBowl and he’s running out of time. He hasn’t been scoring TD’s because he’s not getting the ball and the team is one loss away from not making the playoffs. Not good considering he has just a few years left.
by torchindefenses on Dec 12, 2008 1:35 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Why not
Move TO to the slot.. Keep Roy and Austin outside.. That way TO gets a step before you can jam him..
"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"
by Wmillion on Dec 12, 2008 1:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
because that would require coaching
and we clearly don’t have that
I commented. You're welcome.
another transplant from The Blue & Silver Report
by bulldog jeeper on Dec 12, 2008 3:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm tired of Wade Phillips
I don’t know how he’s addressed this whole situation with the players behind closed doors, but one good ass chewing about pulling together as a team right here and now is what he needs to be saying. I just get the feeling he will not address the issue at all with the players. They all need to be told to shut the hell up and concentrate on their own damn job. If you don’t play receiver then you should have nothing to say about the receivers…if you don’t play offensive line then you should have nothing to say about the offensive line and so on.
Jerry, please hire someone with some balls and let them use them.
by Chris Hanes on Dec 12, 2008 2:29 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
The TO cancer is eating you up
Just like it did to us in Philly. It starts out with occasional “antics”, just TO being TO. Then you see the occasional blow up on the sidelines- dismissed as him being “passionate”. Next stage is the locker room division. You were idiots for making this train-wreck a captain. Now some guys actually think of this paranoid douche bag as a leader.
Next come the innuendos about Romo’s competency, sexual preference, ability to play in the clutch, or _____________ (add nasty sideways comment here)
What follows is (not necessarily in this order)
1. Blatant trashing of everyone he perceives as dissing him
2. Sound bites ad nauseum
3. Fine
4. Suspension
5. Half-baked apology written by Drew Rosenhaus
6. Dismissal
7. 2 years of your organization cleaning up the mess he leaves behind.
Don’t say we didn’t warn you…
I bleed green and I piss silver and blue
by oldasquick on Dec 12, 2008 3:04 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
funny thing about TO in Philly
he was right.
I commented. You're welcome.
another transplant from The Blue & Silver Report
by bulldog jeeper on Dec 12, 2008 3:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Funny thing about TO
He’s always right! You’ll see…tick, tick, tick
I bleed green and I piss silver and blue
by oldasquick on Dec 12, 2008 3:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I bet he was...
your favorite player on the Eagles… HAHAHA
by commoncents on Dec 12, 2008 3:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m more a Dawkins fan. Keeps his mouth shut and plays like a man.
I bleed green and I piss silver and blue
by oldasquick on Dec 12, 2008 3:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Then why
spend so much time discussing how you are so correct in waiting for TO to ruin Dallas like he ruined Philly. Everyone is waiting to pat themselves on the back and say they were right, just like you, and it p*sses you off that Dallas continues to roll on without the explosion everyone is anticipating.
by commoncents on Dec 12, 2008 3:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Rolling?
To what? First round exits? Don’t tell me about rings, that was yesterday. Not one damn player from those days on this team. You’ve been a mess since Jimmy Johnson left.
I have no illusions. My Eagles have choked away some damn good opportunities. What we haven’t done is hire every criminal and miscreant that comes down the pike.
I bleed green and I piss silver and blue
by oldasquick on Dec 12, 2008 3:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yup first round of the playoffs
remember watching those from your couch?
by commoncents on Dec 12, 2008 3:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Every criminal and miscreant?
I admit we have problems, but its hard to say its because of criminals on our team. Dallas is the only team in the league that hasn’t had a player arrested in the last two years.
"When it's third and ten, you can take the milk drinkers and I'll take the whiskey drinkers every time." -Max McGee
by BigDinSC on Dec 12, 2008 3:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1000
JJ gets them clean and they stay clean and more importantly he gets’em cheap.
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
by cowboy78 on Dec 12, 2008 4:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
UMMM,
Dallas has more present and former criminals since JJ took over than any other 5 teams combined. He doesn’t keep them clean, he hires 300 lb babysitters to watch them until he doesn’t need them anymore. Then he lets them twist in the wind.
Cowboys personnel arrested since ‘96:
Dwayne Goodrich
Nate Newton
Michael Irvin
Darren Hambrick
Dwayne Goodrich
Troy Hambrick
Quincy Carter
Barry Switzer
Sherman Williams
Jason Witten’s mom (had to throw that in there!)
Jerry Jones
Tank Williams
Adam Jones
Roy Williams
Leonardo Carson
Alonzo Spellman
Larry Brown
Broderick Thomas
Wow!
I bleed green and I piss silver and blue
by oldasquick on Dec 12, 2008 6:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Eagles fan?
Didn’t we already beat you?
"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"
by Wmillion on Dec 12, 2008 7:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
For one thing, you can't blame some of those on Jerry
Guys like Troy Hambrick and Quincy Carter were arrested well after they were on the team? Why? Probably because they had been coddled and pushed through high school and college without actually learning any skills, and when they were out of football, they turned to drugs to make the kind of fast money they had made previously.
And besides, choir boys dont play this game, you could probably put together a comparable list of eagles arrested in the time frame as well.
Plus,I said ON THE TEAM and IN THE LAST TWO YEARS
"When it's third and ten, you can take the milk drinkers and I'll take the whiskey drinkers every time." -Max McGee
by BigDinSC on Dec 12, 2008 8:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Denial is not a river in Eqypt
The first step in recovery is admitting that your team is a bunch of criminals! And Quincy Carter got cut by Parcells because he was a druggie.
I’m waiting for the Eagles list…coach’s kids don’t count :-)
I bleed green and I piss silver and blue
by oldasquick on Dec 12, 2008 9:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Just out of curiosity
When and for what was roy williams arrested?
"When it's third and ten, you can take the milk drinkers and I'll take the whiskey drinkers every time." -Max McGee
by BigDinSC on Dec 12, 2008 9:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He Wasn't
More lies and delusions from Eagles fans. Andy Reid’s drug dealing brats are not allowed in the discussion, but Jason Witten’s mom is. Yeah, that’s fair. Neither Tank Johnson (the dumb Eagles fan called him "Willams") nor Adam Jones have been arrested since they’ve been with the Dallas organization.
On the other hand, Mike Patterson was arrested on a drug charge earlier this year, and in 2006 both Broderick Bunkley and Dhani Jones were arrested.
You have to go back before that until you find a Cowboy who was arrested. But in the denial world of Eagles fans, the Cowboys are a crazed bunch of thugs and drug-dealing criminals. Maybe some day they’ll catch up to the 21st century, but that would involve them facing reality, so that’s not likely.
by kindablue on Dec 12, 2008 10:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I stand corrected
It was a different Roy Williams. My bad.
I bleed green and I piss silver and blue
by oldasquick on Dec 13, 2008 9:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If Jason Witten's mom counts
Reid’s delinquents would have to also.
by illcowboy on Dec 12, 2008 9:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
UMMM...
DT Mike Patterson
Britt Reid you use players families, I use coach’s families)
Garrett Reid
DT Broderick Bunkley
LB Dhani Jones
DE Jevon Kearse
CB Jack Ikegwuonu
DT Mike Patterson (just because you put Goodrich in twice)
LB Bill Romanowski
Mike Golic, Jr. (player’s mom = player’s son)
S Terrence Carroll
TE Maurice Johnson
LB Matt McCoy
OT King Dunlap
WR Reggie Brown
DE Mike Mamula
OT Winston Justince
DT Bruce Walker
RB Chris Buckhalter
Stop the Madness - Enshrine Bob Hayes
"I played for the world's greatest professional sports team in history. Once a Dallas Cowboy, always a Dallas Cowboy." - Bob Hayes
by Raul Villaronga on Dec 13, 2008 11:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
everything that TO said about McNabb was absolutely true
it just took the rest of the world a couple of extra years to realize it.
however, we over at the various Cowboys blogs, have long known just how much of a scab McNabb is.
I commented. You're welcome.
another transplant from The Blue & Silver Report
by bulldog jeeper on Dec 12, 2008 9:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
haha you make me laugh
philly and Owens were in a relationship.
Philly and Owens broke it off, Owens found Dallas
Jealous ex-girlfriend Philly will do anything to see Owens and Dallas not make it. (it’s kinda sad)
1) Honestly, do you pray that TO will break our hearts like he broke all of your hearts in Philly?
2) Did you the fans know that games could end in ties, or was it just the QB who didn’t know?
by commoncents on Dec 12, 2008 3:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
To play along with your “girlfriend” analogy, it’s more like the abused ex-girlfriend trying to warn the next victim that just because he cries and says he’s sorry after slapping you around, he’s still going to do it again and again again again. Guys like that don’t change, they just change girlfriends. Just like in real life, the victim never listens until it’s too late.
I bleed green and I piss silver and blue
by oldasquick on Dec 12, 2008 3:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't feed the trolls
T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003
by APerfectStar on Dec 12, 2008 3:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
so you are describing your team as an abused ex-girlfriend
i couldn’t agree more…lol
I commented. You're welcome.
another transplant from The Blue & Silver Report
by bulldog jeeper on Dec 12, 2008 9:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you forgot situps in the driveway. I’m not sure what number that is though.
by Phildo on Dec 12, 2008 4:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
BSPN has truly outdone itself this time
A WR goes into a closed door meeting with his OC, and anonymous sources tell Easy Ed stuff he’s dying to report anyway because he’s got it in for TO.
This story is sooooooooo dumb, it’s pathetic. Yet BSPN runs it nonstop. Any story with the Cowboys involved automatically becomes the top story. It doesn’t matter how weak it is, or how embellished or flat out made up it is.
BSPN the worldwide leader in bulls—t.
T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003
by APerfectStar on Dec 12, 2008 3:39 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Don't be fooled and blame Werder
it’s not like we haven’t heard these kinda stories when TO was with his other teams. We have to take off our rose colored glasses off! Look when all the drama was in Philly I loved it, laughed at it. But now it is happening to My Team! You now we were just on borrowed time. TO will always do TO. And folks this is what he does. Never a dull moment in big D. With all that said, we need this win. It comes all down to Sunday night, without Jacobs and maybe Hixon (and of course Plax) we are catching the Giants at almost a good time. The only reason I give them a chance is because they want to prove that losing to Philly last week was a fluke and not what they are going to be. One thing for sure is they have to love the fact that all the Plax and Pierce situation has been put on the back burner.
by rocj55 on Dec 12, 2008 5:32 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Ed Werder lives for this stuff, and is an idiot because of it
He is like a tabloid reporter, and every time he gets his size extra-medium panties in a bunch over a soap opera story like this, he manages to always have the juiciest commentary from “an unnamed source.” It is such a sad existence for werder, especially as a reporter – all year he just sits around asking annoying juvenile questions trying to stir up some sort of controversy for TO (who yes, is immature, yes is insecure, and yes, deserves the ball MUCH more often).
And I can’t blame ESPN because they live for this kind of written diarrhea as well, and it gets marginal fans riled up – it couldn’t have been more than an hour after Werder’s little tabloid article was posted on their website that 5 other NFL fans emailed me the story just looking to blame TO for tearing apart another team.
Werder: get a source who is willing to man up and take claim for his posts. Also be advised that no real fans of the sport take you seriously, you are a laughing stock who is better served reporting to oprah.
Unnamed Cowboys source (if you exist): Man up and take responsibility for your comments so that you can be given your pink slip and then derided by NFL insiders for the next few years as you try out for several other teams who will take a look but eventually pass on signing you because of your serious character issues (trying to tear up a team by talking to a tabloid reporter during a playoff push? Yea lets sign this guy – he’ll be great in the locker room).
by Charles Haley on Dec 13, 2008 12:23 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

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