T.O.'s Rat found out and you might not like who it is
by quincyyyyy on Dec 12, 2008 11:18 PM CST
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WAS WITTEN WERDER’S SOURCE?
Posted by Mike Florio on December 12, 2008, 5:09 p.m. ESTAs it turns out, Terrell Owens’ suspicions regarding teammate Jason Witten might have been on the mark.
The talk in the Cowboys locker room is that Witten was one of the sources for Ed Werder’s recent ESPN item, which has sparked a firestorm within the organization.
Per a league source, center Andre Gurode and receiver Roy Williams called out Witten in a team meeting regarding their belief that he has been talking out of school to Werder, accusing Witten and/or his agent of feeding the information to Werder — as the song "Back Stabbers" played in the background.
According to our source (and it pains us to type this), Owens isn’t as bad as he’s made out to be in the media (i.e., by ESPN).
"Ed Werder didn’t make anything up," the source said. "Witten or his agent gave the story."
And here’s where it gets really interesting. Witten’s agent is Jimmy Sexton. And Sexton represents — you guessed it — former Cowboys coach Bill Parcells.
Parcells wanted no part of Owens, and presumably Parcells would love nothing more than to see the Cowboys fail to make the playoffs in the same year that Parcells is in the process of propelling the previously 1-15 Fins toward the postseason.
We’re not saying that Tuna has his finger in this one, after all he’s not the kind of guy who’d stick his nose in business that doesn’t pertain to him. We’re just pointing out the straight line from Witten to Sexton to Parcells, who by the way drafted Witten in 2003, the same year that Parcells signed Romo as an undrafted free agent.
http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/12/12/was-witten-werders-source/
I'm not sure what to make of this. I wouldn't be surprised at all if Parcells is trying to sabotage this organization. Considering that the guy was two timing Jerry behind his back while he was here that wouldn't be out of the norm for him.
But if Witten is talking to Werder that is low. Maybe it's just his agent who is doing it, but I really hope Witten is not talking to ESPN because I would lose a lot of respect for him. But like I said I'm hoping it's just his agent doing the bidding of Parcells.
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Wow. Woh. Witten? WTF?
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by silverblue5 on Dec 12, 2008 11:27 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Not a huge fan of ProFootballTalk
But if the story has any truth, obviously it’s a bad thing.
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by jsams on Dec 12, 2008 11:29 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Its hard to assign PTF any credibility, but why would witten do this?
It is contrary to his team first attitude, and if its true it makes him a traitor to his teammates because he went behind the scenes to give a story to that sob Turder. I would have a hard time believing this without confirmation from Turder on who his source is, I consider Turder’s sources to be out of context quotes that he pieced together and utilized it for his story.
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by cowboy78 on Dec 12, 2008 11:37 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
This is way out of Wit’s character.
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by jsams on Dec 12, 2008 11:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I know, it is very contrary to his personality that we know as fans because of how he carries himself
on and off the field, he has been the consumate professional.
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by cowboy78 on Dec 12, 2008 11:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I just think ESPN and Ed Werder are losers.
They blow everything out of proportion to get ratings, especially anything Cowboys and T.O. related.
It sucks to because that’s where the majority of fans get their information and I have to hear BS about how T.O. is a bitch and how Jerry Jones is a loser for criticizing his owner all week.
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by jsams on Dec 12, 2008 11:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
His running back I meant.
Don’t think Jerry would criticize himself.
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by jsams on Dec 12, 2008 11:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How do we know what Witten's character is?
All we know is that he is a very good, very tough football player.
Channeling my inner Pacman.
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Dec 13, 2008 7:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed we do not know him personally, but you would have to agree that he carries himself
as a professional, and he has tony’s back. If he wanted to help tony this would not be the right thing to do.
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by cowboy78 on Dec 13, 2008 9:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely agree
Channeling my inner Pacman.
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Dec 13, 2008 9:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
x
The mental image of Andre Gurode and Roy Williams Jr. calling out Jason Witten with Back Stabbers blaring in the background literally has me in tears… LOLOLOLOL
by N41D on Dec 13, 2008 12:01 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I forgot to mention that.
That ruined the source for me.
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by jsams on Dec 13, 2008 12:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't you know?
The Cowboys have a DJ booth setup in the back of their meeting rooms.
This story is a crock of shite. ProFootballTalk and Florio are the absolute scum of the “news and gossip” community.
T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003
by APerfectStar on Dec 13, 2008 2:46 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Very Interesting.
This all sounds like a movie plot, but hey we are talking about the Dallas Cowboys right?
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by TheHeat on Dec 13, 2008 12:11 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
And how exactly does this affect game preparations?
What’s gotten me all this week is the implication that the Cowboys are passing notes and gossiping behind each other’s back and not preparing for the game.
The media circus has them having team meeting and some such. Can’t hurt. And there are a lot of guys on that team who need a lesson in PR. And T.O. isn’t one of them. His impromptu takeover of Kim Eldridge’s bungled press conference two years ago is a textbook example of how to keep your friend from stepping in it on national TV and dragging you into the muck with her.
Greg Ellis? He’s a media dummy. Terence Newman? An even bigger media dummy.
But even if this story is true — and it’s far more likely the agent talks than the player, that’s too easy to trace — I don’t really see lasting harm. It means Witten is defensive, or not impressed. But so what. T.O.‘s position coach from the Parcells days, Todd Haley, opened his mouth and he’s gone.
But the story Florio tells doesn’t suggest any discord between Romo and Owens. I don’t see how it affects Jason Garrett’s play calling. I don’t see how it affects Romo at all. He’s had no comments this week that I’ve seen.
Does anybody think Witten will play less hard?
And seriously, the Back Stabbers anecdote is funny, but I think Florio is taking some poetic license here.
These guys don’t have to all be hugs and kisses. Think the ’90s guys liked Charles Haley? Think he liked them? Think Aikman liked every one of his teammates? Thought a few of them should have played harder?
The difference is they weren’t running to an ESPN reporter to shovel crap.
by Rafael Vela on Dec 13, 2008 12:19 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
In fact,
I’m making an open offer to any Cowboys player of free PR lessons. Better yet, Jerry, maybe you should invest in a consultant who can make these guys aware of how the media cycles work and how you can get played if you’re not smart.
A lof of these guys like the attention and the perks they get from having their own shows and don’t understand what their product looks like to its consumers. I doubt Newman and Ellis would say half the things they do if they understood how stupid they sound and how they undercut their status with fans.
Not to mention with their teammates.
by Rafael Vela on Dec 13, 2008 12:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think that was what the meeting was about, just clam up and keep it to yourself,
I agree w/you about t-new, he looked horrible trying to not talk about what he talked about on first take yesterday. I love how keith davis gave them nothing and did it with a smile on his face.
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by cowboy78 on Dec 13, 2008 9:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe I'm being a bit of a conspiracy theorist
but I think Parcells is trying to create discord among the Cowboys, because if Wade takes this team all the way it will only make him look bad for 4 years of average team play. And Parcells being the egomaniac he is that wouldn’t be totally out of the question.
by quincyyyyy on Dec 13, 2008 12:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Parcells has other things to worry about.
And everyone knows he built this team. It’s no secret he turns bad teams around. Look at the Dolphins.
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by jsams on Dec 13, 2008 12:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I would attribute that to Ireland and Sparano
Parcells likes taking credit for other people’s work. Ireland is the reason why we have such a talented roster now.
by quincyyyyy on Dec 13, 2008 12:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
parcells please
i think its a joke people would think parcells has something to do with this…..Like bill has nothing better to do….this is a complete joke and my feeling about this game has changed…i felt very confident about beating the giants but now not so much….whether its witten or his agent it does not matter, witten should feel like a jackazz ….grow the hell up
by canty99 on Dec 13, 2008 12:36 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
+1
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
by Tim Wilson on Dec 13, 2008 12:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
obviously there is a division now on this team....
and that spells trouble …….i see many changes comming when this season is over…if bill was still our hc this sht would never happen …wade bye bye and take ur coaching staff with u…sick of this bs…
by canty99 on Dec 13, 2008 12:42 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
If Parcells was still the HC
our defense would still suck
by quincyyyyy on Dec 13, 2008 12:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he is a winner
where ever he goes he turns teams around and wins…..look atwhat he has done in miami and do not give me ireland and sparano who is his personal puppet
by canty99 on Dec 13, 2008 12:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i know this much.....
all this talk comming out now would have not happened with bill there..he would have squashed this problem asap…no players would be talking to the media i know that much..wade is softtttttttttt with his players and it shows on and off the field…
by canty99 on Dec 13, 2008 12:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It was Ireland and Jerry who wanted to draft Ware
Parcells wanted to draft Spears at 12. It was Payton who found Romo. And it was Jerry who brought T.O. here. Moreover, it is Parcells fault we have had to pay so much for FA lineman over the years. Parcells is waaaaaaaaaaaaay overrated. He has never been to a superbowl without Belichick and never will.
by quincyyyyy on Dec 13, 2008 12:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ok i am not going to change ur mind
we agree to disagree…but not to give bill credit is ridiculous…its never bill its always belichick, now its ireland and jerry lol..never bill….once jimmy left look what jerry has done….once bill things have improved …so to give jerry the credit and none to bill makes no sense to me
by canty99 on Dec 13, 2008 12:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
There are some people who don’t want to give Parcells any credit for the improvement in Dallas while he was here. I think it was because they grew up rooting against Parcells’ Giants teams. There are also some who have wldly inflated views of Jerry Jones’ ability as a GM. Someone actually made the argument that he was a great GM because he was the longest tenured General Manager in the league. I pointed out that he had been GM longer than anyone else because no one in the organization could fire him, and that after that string of 5-11 seasons from a few years ago any other GM would have been canned, but got no response. Jerry is a great owner, and he belongs in the Hall of Fame due to the success he has brought the team and the league in his business dealings, but the idea that he is one of the top personnel guys in the league is laughable.
As I have pointed out before, wherever Parcells goes, the quality of football improves dramatically. At some point, that is more than a coincidence. I admit that the guy is a mercenary when it comes to teams, though he is very loyal to his guys.
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by Seanrude on Dec 13, 2008 6:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I give Bill some credit
But most of it belongs to Jerry and Ireland. As evidence that it wasn’t Bill: are last draft was maybe the best we’ve had in a long time. Even better than the ’05 draft.
by quincyyyyy on Dec 13, 2008 9:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's always the hard-ass' fault
Hard-asses who hold people accountable are easy not to like. They’re hard to deal with, do and say things we don’t want to hear and care little about what we think. Giving an abrasive personality credit is hard, as they’ve usually done something we don’t like, and giving credit to someone you don’t like is not easy.
But blaming someone you don’t like is easy; it’s our “default setting” whether we’d like to admit it or not, whether it makes sense or not.
Example: The belief that most bad draft picks/signings were Parcells’, and most good draft picks/signings were someone else’s. I mean, what are the chances of that?!
If the above were true, how does BP keep turning franchise after franchise around? With mostly bad draft picks and poor FA signings? C’mon folks, we all know better than that!
Yes, it’s true, others on his staff have helped Bill make good choices, no question about it. It is called an o-r-g-a-n-i-z-a-t-i-o-n, and Bill puts that staff together—he’s adamant about having the control to do so.
Saying, “oh, he just got lucky cuz it was only because of this guy or that guy on his staff” is like saying the only reason a team had a good draft is because they chose the right guys. Um, ya…that’s what you’re supposed to do.
To me, if Bill was this “credit monger” that some make him out to be, he would hire nothing but ninkumpoops to his staff so that it would be very clear to whom the credit should be attributed (wait a minute, JJ does tha… …that’s another post). But Bill doesn’t, he hires extremely good people—that’s been proven and pointed-out by the BP-haters time and time again.
I’ll never understand why this guy gets criticized for surrounding himself with competent, quality people.
It’s this kind of public perception that drives true ego-maniacs like Jerry Jones to hire people like Wade Phillips, Chan Gailey and Dave Campo.
by Starred4Life on Dec 13, 2008 12:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He just hasn't done that well without Belichick
think about it
by quincyyyyy on Dec 13, 2008 1:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Belicheck hasn't done that well without Crennel and Weis
by mhuff13 on Dec 13, 2008 1:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Except last year. That team last year was one of the most dominant football teams ever. Give me a break.
Everyone knows that it was Belichick’s defense that won Parcells both Superbowl rings.
by quincyyyyy on Dec 13, 2008 1:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And that team ended with the same number of Super Bowls
Since the time Crennel and Weis left…
by mhuff13 on Dec 13, 2008 5:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So?
I don’t see why that is relevant. Are you contending that only very good teams win superbowls?
by quincyyyyy on Dec 13, 2008 5:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm contending that Super Bowls is all that matters
Last year’s ‘most dominant football team ever’ was first loser.
by mhuff13 on Dec 13, 2008 5:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Is it really...
Are you saying that winning superbowls is necessary to being a good coach?
by quincyyyyy on Dec 13, 2008 5:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm saying Belicheck hasn't won one
Since those 2 have left.
by mhuff13 on Dec 13, 2008 11:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for stating the obvious but that wasn't my question
Do you think winning superbowls is necessary to being a good coach? Secondly do you think Belichick has done well since Weis and Romeo have left?
by quincyyyyy on Dec 13, 2008 11:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, yes
But you said Parcells hasn’t done that well without Belichek. So let me ask you. Is winning Super Bowls necessary to being a good coach?
What’s good for one is good for the other.
by mhuff13 on Dec 13, 2008 11:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes to Belicheck has done well
But he hasn’t won a Super Bowl, which is what it seemed like you were pointing out with Parcells since he lost Belicheck.
by mhuff13 on Dec 13, 2008 11:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think really the best way we have to
evaluate a coach is by wins. Belichick win/loss ratio is super high since Romeo and Weis left. Parcells, however, has sub par record without Belichick. So to be generous Parcells has been rather average without Belichick.
And my point in pointing out those superbowls was that Parcells didn’t deserve to win them; it was Belichick’s defenses that won them.
by quincyyyyy on Dec 13, 2008 11:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
So Phil Simms having the highest completion % in Super Bowl history I guess had nothing to do with the defense at all.
That and Scott Norwood’s shank.
That was all Belicheck….
by mhuff13 on Dec 13, 2008 11:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And pretty funny
In the Giants 2 Super Bowl wins, each game the Giants defense gave up 370+ yards. And the offense had 399 yards and 380 yards.
So was it really the defense?
by mhuff13 on Dec 14, 2008 12:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You are a cheeky monkey aren't you
The opposing team scored 19 and 17 points in both superbowls. Moreover, Belichick’s defensive gameplans from the both superbowls are in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. So some people who know quite a bit about football would disagree with your assessment of his defense’s performance.
Furthermore, The Giants only scored 20 points in each Superbowl. Not such an impressive offensive performance in my and most people’s minds.
by quincyyyyy on Dec 14, 2008 12:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually scored 39 against Denver
But oh well.
by mhuff13 on Dec 14, 2008 12:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And if giving up nearly 400 yards gets your gameplan in the HoF
Then wow, I could be in the HoF one day.
by mhuff13 on Dec 14, 2008 12:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And I guess the 35 points and 320 yards given up
To Green Bay in 1996 was Parcells fault, right?
by mhuff13 on Dec 14, 2008 12:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
All I know is the Hall of Fame committee
thought enough of Belichicks defense’s performance to put his game plan in the hall of fame. And I trust their judment on football matters more than yours. And 20 points scored in both superbowl wins is not anything for Parcells to write home about.
Point is Parcells has a sub par win/loss record without Belichick and Belichick has a fantastic win/loss record without Romeo and Weis.
by quincyyyyy on Dec 14, 2008 12:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I really have no clue what you are talking about
Belichick never played Denver in the superbowl as a defensive coordinator
by quincyyyyy on Dec 14, 2008 12:36 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Belicheck was hired in 1985 as defensive coordinator
The year before the Denver Super Bowl.
And why do you keep saying 20 points scored in both Super Bowl wins, when I’ve pointed out 3 times now they scored 39 against Denver, which Belicheck was the DC then.
by mhuff13 on Dec 14, 2008 12:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
my mistake in that one superbowl
but the fact still remains, Parcells has been sub par without Belichick, and Belichick has had a fantastic record without Romeo or Weis
by quincyyyyy on Dec 14, 2008 8:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and Jerry Jones hasn't done that well without Jimmy Johnson or Bill PArcells
and don’t tell me he won a Super Bowl with Barry Switzer. That was Jimmy Johnson’s team, and if Jones had not driven Jimmy away, that team would have won 3 super bowls in a row, and probably 4
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
by Seanrude on Dec 13, 2008 4:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think the better question would be
How did Jimmy do without Jerry?
by quincyyyyy on Dec 13, 2008 4:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
BWAAAAAAAH
that’s funny. even though i’m probably more of a JJ apologist than anything else, i’d never thought of it that way.
that’s funny.
I commented. You're welcome.
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by bulldog jeeper on Dec 16, 2008 5:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We won't know how good the 2008 draft was for a few years at least
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by Seanrude on Dec 13, 2008 4:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So far 5 have made a significant contribution in their first year
It is looking really good so far.
by quincyyyyy on Dec 13, 2008 4:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Let's wait a few years and we can play the "Look who we could've picked" game
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
by Seanrude on Dec 14, 2008 8:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Additionaly
He would have taken Dewayne Robertson ahead of Newman if he’d been there at 5.
The Romo pickup had nothing to do with him, that was all Sean Payton.
He insisted on Carpenter when neither the positional need nor the player’s ability deemed the selection necessary.
He completely lost control of this team during his last year. They’d had enough.
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by Conjunction on Dec 13, 2008 8:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Assuming this is all true, none of those guys would have been on the Cowboys’ radar if Parcells had not been hired. It was Parcells who rebulit the scouting department, and it was Parcells who brought in Payton. Does anybody doubt that if Parcells had not been around, Jerry would have stuck with Drew Henson as QB and would have traded that first round draft pick (the Newman pick) to Oakland to bring in an aging Warren Sapp to bolstre the defensive line (or something equally dopey)?
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by Seanrude on Dec 14, 2008 8:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What does Parcells win ??? I'm thinking you were messing your diapers the last time Parcells produced a SB team.
This team has nothing to do with Parcells…….and as far as Miami…Sparano has everything to do with their success right now…he’s putting up victories with his team overacheiving…This is virtuely the same roster as last year, and a fine job of scouting/drafting by Ireland…Parcells brought in Pendington…which can make an average team to begin with , that much better……..quincccy…was right on the money with his assessment of this years Dolphins…
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by BoyzRback on Dec 14, 2008 3:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Channeling my inner Pacman.
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Dec 13, 2008 6:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I find the conspiracy angle unconvincing
Parcells drafted Witten. He loves the guy.
He might not like other people in the organization but why would he sabotage the chances of several of his guys to succeed? Makes no sense.
by Rafael Vela on Dec 13, 2008 12:57 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I don't see it at all.
We have enough rumors and speculation as it is.
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by jsams on Dec 13, 2008 12:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He is self-serving and vindictive
Remember in the ‘06 regular season when he was actively trying to get the Giants GM job while he was still coaching here. The guy only thinks of himself, so it’s not out of the question.
by quincyyyyy on Dec 13, 2008 9:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's an absurd theory
I’m pretty sure Bill has better things to do than try to subtly sabotage, through elaborate media leaks, a former team that is not even a rival in his conference and he has no remaining connections to in terms of coaches or players. The idea that he is sitting in his Miami office plotting machinations against the Cowboys rather than, say, DOING HIS OWN JOB WITH MIAMI, which is a full time occupation, is ridiculous to me.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
by Tim Wilson on Dec 13, 2008 12:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1 (I think that means I agree)
Sometimes I hear or read something that is so absurd that I go totally brain dead trying to think of a rational response. A rational response to a completely irrational thought is really hard! That’s what happened when I read the Parcells angle here. I couldn’t agree more with Tim Wilson.
For you Parcells haters, I think you’re too caught up in the emotion of your dislike that you can’t see the obvious. When he arrived in Dallas, there was virtually no talent on the roster (well almost). Name 4 players any other team in the league would have taken off the roster? I can only think of 2 that had any value, Greg Ellis and Flo. When he left, he left a roster most people think is the most talented in the NFL (how many pro bowlers last year?). He did the same thing in NE, they won their fist 2 SB’s with the roster he assembled. For all his faults, he can put together a roster.
by StillHateTheGiants on Dec 15, 2008 10:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You give him too much credit with very little evidence. Think about it like this
If Parcells had his way we would have picked Spears at 12 instead of 20. That means Ware wouldn’t have been wearing a star on his helmet. Thank god for Jerry.
by quincyyyyy on Dec 15, 2008 10:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The only reason Ware was even a possibility was because Bill brought in scouts and personnel guys who knew what they were doing
Jerry would have traded a bunch of picks to get an aging Warren Sapp to bolster the defense, or something equally asinine.
Is it really just a coincidence that wherever Parcells goes, the team improves quickly? Is it really just a coincidence that GM Jerry built a laughingstock after Jimmy Johnson left and before Bill got here? If Jerry is such a brilliant mastermind, please explain Shante Carver, Quincy Carter, David LaFLeur, Chad Hutchinson, Drew Henson, etc.
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by Seanrude on Dec 15, 2008 12:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The scouts maybe knew what they were doing
But Parcells wanted Spears over Ware.
by mhuff13 on Dec 15, 2008 8:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Dallas had the #1 rated Defense prior to Parcells....in a 4-3 with Mike Zimmer running the D...
get off Tuna’s jock already…..let it go…the fat man is gone !!!!!!! thank god..
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by BoyzRback on Dec 17, 2008 4:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
however with all that said
A win will put this all to sleep….winning cures alot…but i am not so sure thats going to happen now…hoping for the best…enjoy ur weekend……oh bother way marion babrer who is on your icon…that was all parcells not ireland or jerry…
by canty99 on Dec 13, 2008 12:58 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Winning doesn't cure a lot
Winning cures everything
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
by Seanrude on Dec 13, 2008 6:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I dont know how true this story is.
But I dont think Witten is some perfect God like a lot of people do. This is a bad situation because a lot of locker rooms I have been in have eventually been divided by race.
Im not suggesting race is a factor. But this one may very well be perceived that way in the locker room, simply because of the ethnicity of the players involved. This is how it starts.
And I’m telling you, I’d bet my life that there are a lot of people, who rather they like Romo and Witten or not, are tired of hearing how perfect they are.
If this is true they oughtta throw Witten in the Gulf of Mexico. Snitches make any family weak. Ask Michael Vick.
Channeling my inner Pacman.
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Dec 13, 2008 7:15 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
?
what?
Channeling my inner Pacman.
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Dec 13, 2008 7:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
valid post
until you brought up race
by bryangene on Dec 13, 2008 7:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yes it does exist...
whether it’s a factor in the locker room, who knows. Don’t act so shocked or naive when someone brings it up.
"Remember this. Bear Bryant retired at age 69, and he died 28 days after he stopped coaching. If you don't have something, and a purpose in your life, you're gonna die."- Lou Holtz (funny old man)
by BLUE_Thru-n-Thru on Dec 13, 2008 7:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I said I dont think race is a factor.
But it’s hard to think guys wont think about it that way in the locker room. I know it’s 2008 and we dont want to believe guys think that way. But I am not that far removed from playing and I’m telling you this stuff is there. Every locker room I have ever been a part of has eventually been racially split. Crimes by a player of one race, against a player of another race force people to take sides. In college me and my boys were getting into fistfights with our teammates on Friday night, and then riding on the bus to a road game Saturday morning.
Either way, my main point is, a football locker room should be like a mafia. Nobody should ever, ever, discuss family business. If the story is true, then what Witten is doing is the equivalent of wearing a wire. Throw him off the damn roof.
I have no racial slant in this. Whoever it is. I get just as mad at T.O. when he does is. I was furious when he brought up Ray Lewis’ legal issues a few years back. Talking to the media is like talking to the police. Off with his head.
Channeling my inner Pacman.
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Dec 13, 2008 7:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
dude my comment was meant for the 3 guys who replied to your post
"Remember this. Bear Bryant retired at age 69, and he died 28 days after he stopped coaching. If you don't have something, and a purpose in your life, you're gonna die."- Lou Holtz (funny old man)
by BLUE_Thru-n-Thru on Dec 13, 2008 7:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I know, I was talking to them too. It just put it here.
Channeling my inner Pacman.
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Dec 13, 2008 8:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you're not suggesting race is a factor
but you see it as being perceived that way in the locker room..hmm
by bryangene on Dec 13, 2008 8:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Let me clarify
I guess I wanted to say that I dont think Witten’s move was racially motivated.
Channeling my inner Pacman.
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Dec 13, 2008 10:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think you might be right that this will be portrayed as a race issue
Remember the “Aikman only yells at the black players” line from the mid-90s? I have heard many times that it wasn’t true, and I believe that. That doesn’t mean that a story like that doesn’t have legs.
by SB2008 on Dec 13, 2008 11:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Channeling my inner Pacman.
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Dec 13, 2008 2:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ok
i will ignore this like i have been ignoring the bs all week
and watch the game on sunday night
i suggest you all do the same
think about it…how many superbowls have the cowboys won?
5…and wasn’t there a huge controversy every one of those years
duane thomas, henderson, jerry and jimmy part I and II, and barry switzer
this year is no different…let’s see how the team plays before we make conclusions about the season
Superbowl or Bust?
by MrMinority on Dec 13, 2008 7:54 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
+1
Channeling my inner Pacman.
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Dec 13, 2008 7:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
PTF is a joke, I don't believe a word of it
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Dec 13, 2008 11:31 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Sirus Radio is reporting...yikes......
TO and Witten nearly came to blows yesterday in the locker room…..
If this is true…TO has to go after the season. We can’t have these distractions if we are going to succesful in the future. Expect the worse tomorrow…….
2009 Draft here we come........
by Boyzfan94 on Dec 13, 2008 11:50 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Its based on a story from Mac Engel
here is the link
http://www.star-telegram.com/332/story/1091714.html
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
by cowboy78 on Dec 13, 2008 11:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
actually pessy
I’m going to expect the best, the team will pull together for a big win and this story will lose all of its steam.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Dec 13, 2008 12:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How do you know it wasn't Witten's fault?
by quincyyyyy on Dec 13, 2008 1:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Because obviously it's T.O.'s fault
I mean ESPN says so…
by mhuff13 on Dec 13, 2008 1:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I posted a fanpost on it
2009 Draft here we come........
by Boyzfan94 on Dec 13, 2008 12:02 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Good grief!
what am I supposed to do with my fantasy team tomorrow? I usually start Romo and Barber/Choice, but if the team implodes maybe I should go with Kurt Warner and Tatum Bell. Geesh…
by DavidH22 on Dec 13, 2008 12:10 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
that won't happen
if you don’t start Romo, you’ll be sorry
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Dec 13, 2008 12:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Romo is gonna burn it up Sunday Night
by aussie_cowboy on Dec 13, 2008 7:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yup
If I were the opposing defense, I’d dread to face an angry Romo, TO, RW, Witten, etc
In reference to how good the Steelers have been in their history: "No one is even close to them."- Steal Home
by hinduplaya on Dec 14, 2008 10:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Kurt Warner...over Romo
Choice probably over Tatum Bell…..
2009 Draft here we come........
by Boyzfan94 on Dec 13, 2008 12:13 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Warner and Brees have been the best fantasy QBs this season
I know, I’m in the championship game because of Warner and Fitzgerald….lol
2009 Draft here we come........
by Boyzfan94 on Dec 13, 2008 12:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
only because Romo was out for 3 games
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Dec 14, 2008 9:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I for one think T.O. is nowhere near as bad as portrayed
And I believe that the vast majority of our players like him.
But he cannot win this one. Tony Romo is our franchise, and what he wants he will get. And which one do you think he wants?
This really sucks, and I hate to say it…but this could be the end of T.O. in Dallas.
And this is surely the end of Wade Phillips.
by mhuff13 on Dec 13, 2008 1:24 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Do you know who is enjoying this?
If ratings were going to be high for Sunday night’s game just based on the high profile teams, they should be even higher due to the drama created by "The source(s), Werner, Witten, Owens et. al.
" We got "The Rod"...What you got? "
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Dec 13, 2008 4:23 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Edit
“Werder”
" We got "The Rod"...What you got? "
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Dec 13, 2008 4:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
haha
the game happened to be the most watched sunday night football game ever
with 23.1 million viewers
glad that we won though and romo always wins when we’re on primetime (except the playoffs, but that’ll change…i hope)
Superbowl or Bust?
by MrMinority on Dec 17, 2008 3:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Conspiracy???
It wouldn’t surprise me if this was devised by Werder or someone to get the Cowboys against each other as a team. When players start pointing fingers at each other and not playing as a team they explode in a bad way. Wade isn’t one to fix these kinds of things either. If it was Witten’s agent, Witten should fire him ASAP unless he wanted him to tell Werder. If that’s the case then, Witten is an ignorant fool.
by torchindefenses on Dec 13, 2008 10:03 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Just the media
The Cowboys incite passion (positive and negative) from fans all over the world. The real die-hards should know better than to buy into every soap opera that the media creates. They know if it’s about the Cowboys, it will sell.
The argument in this thread about Jerry Jones is easily solved. Jerry is the one constant through our long playoff drought. Jimmy Johnson built our only Super Bowl roster, and when he left, the decline started. If we had a real GM during the last 11 years, that GM would have been fired many times.
Anyone arguing that Jerry has the ability or time to analyze the draft is kidding themselves. He is going up against General Managers who have been in football their entire lives. Their foundations were built by being scouts, and assistant coaches for years and years. They learned the nuances of football and personnel selection over a long period of time and can draw on that wealth of experience to analyze players in the draft. Jerry annointed himself GM while spending his life in the oilfield. He doesn’t have the background or foundation to be a GM. If he somehow went bankrupt today and lost the Cowboys, not a SINGLE NFL TEAM would hire him as GM. Not one. That’s who we have as our GM.
However, the problems created by Jerry’s insistence on being the GM don’t stop with the draft. The biggest problems occur daily as he undermines every head coach he hires. The players can do an end run around anyone who is the head coach by going directly to Jerry. This arrangement is fatal to any team trying to make a Super Bowl run.
Another problem with this arrangement is that Jerry wants to be the face of the franchise. He holds news conferences to tell everyone that he has thrown the football with Romo, and Romo is good to go. He counsels Pacman on a daily basis as GM and is obviously also a psychologist now. He personally interviews and hires the bodyguard to keep Pacman out of trouble. That should tell you all you need to know about Jerry’s personnel evaluation ability. He chose a guy that actually got into a fight with the guy he was supposed to keep out of trouble.
I’m a longtime Cowboys fan. The only way that we can get this turned around, imho, is to have an uprising of fans on boards like this and in every other venue to force Jerry to hire a real GM and let the head coach and GM run the team. He can go run the stadium and the NFL network, but please, please stop interfering with the team and the players. When that happens, the results will astound us all.
In the meantime, we can beat the Giants today. I think we will.
by rrb on Dec 14, 2008 8:41 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I agree 100%
Jerry will be in the HOF one day as an owner, but his track record as GM leaves a lot to be desired. This sums it up perfectly:
If he somehow went bankrupt today and lost the Cowboys, not a SINGLE NFL TEAM would hire him as GM. Not one. That’s who we have as our GM.
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
by Seanrude on Dec 14, 2008 8:53 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
How stupid are the PFT writers?
Unbelievably stupid. The writers at PFT apparently think that Parcells was General Manager when he was in Dallas.
Once again – and it seems like we go through this every month – Jerry Jones was the General Manager and as such, was responsible for drafting Jason Witten and signing Tony Romo. Bill Parcells was the head coach – by definition, player acquisition does not fall under the responsibility or authority of the Head Coach.
It continues to amaze me that people don’t give Jerry Jones the proper credit. They are so ready to trash Jerry that they simply ignore the basics of NFL management structure. Screw PFT – this blog has far more credibility than that piece of garbage website ever will.
by Cowboy Louie on Dec 14, 2008 2:56 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Amen on Jerry.
A free man with no honor is a prisoner.
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Dec 14, 2008 7:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Now.....
whos the rat now!!!!!
I love me some T.O....I ain't skeerd!!!!!
by airtyme on Dec 14, 2008 10:42 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Who cares?
Why keep stirring the rumors with unsubstantiated gossip?
Just go play.
Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.
by OskieOskie on Dec 16, 2008 8:20 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Holy freaking soap opera.....
can we just play some football please?
by sublimezg on Dec 16, 2008 8:55 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
i think
its safe to say Jerry is the most ‘involved’ owener of his nfl team
and he probably wants the superbowl more than anyother owner could argue
so, we’ll leave it at that
yea, he signs players with interesting pasts
but, he assembled probably the best rookie class in cowboys history this year
and for the past few years he’s helped put a championship caliber team on the field
Superbowl or Bust?
by MrMinority on Dec 17, 2008 6:56 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
+1
But as for the present, let’s keep Romo protected. Because the Cowboys won’t win anything if “noodle arm” Brad J. has to play. Don’t mean to beat a dead horse, but the title of this post was about T O’s Rat! After listening to all the interviews and explainations everyone was giving about what happen last week. I believe ( and this is my on opinion of course) the qoutes from Ed Werner’s source sounds a lot like a QB. If someone has those please link. I heard Ed on the Playmaker’s show the other day, say he believes TO was calling him out , so he would name his source. Without namming him I believe he did. I recall Ed saying he’s known the person awhile now and is a very crediable source. I’ve heard every name out there except this one BRAD JOHNSON! He’s the RAT! If you can find them go back and read Ed’s story, and tell me what you think.
by starstatus on Dec 18, 2008 1:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Brad Johnson's the Rat!
I believe if Romo gets hurt…. we’re done. Remember when Romo was out those 3 games.
TO complained back then. Everyone did. But TO complaints were about the QBing. He went to JG about it.
That’s the reason for getting the backup ready before the first Gaints game.
Only a QB would use “it’s always something with this guy when you lose. This is exactly how it started in SFand Philly”.
Everyone knows he always put down the QB’s, when the O is bad and they’re losing. “I wish he would just stand up to the guy, but he gets mad and backs you a corner ready to fight”!
by starstatus on Dec 18, 2008 2:05 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Unprofessional
yakuza rich has a great rant on his blog responding to Galloway’s response to the whole story, really taking apart Galloway and Werder piece by piece. “Unprofessional” as TO said is damn right.
by scottmaui on Dec 18, 2008 9:29 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Do ya'll think
Parcells and/or Sexton would do this, including leaking it was Witten and/or Sexton who might be the source, not to get at TO neccessarily, but maybe to ostrischize Witten himself?
Maybe it’s a ploy to run Witten out of Dallas and into the waiting arms of the ’Fins? Maybe Witten wants out of Dallas, who knows?
by orangeblood1 on Dec 18, 2008 11:15 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
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