Our prime FA target this offseason
by quincyyyyy on Dec 17, 2008 11:05 AM CST
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Get this guy and Doomsday will rise once again
Haynesworth can test free agency
The good news for Albert Haynesworth on Tuesday is he made it to the Pro Bowl for the second straight season. But that's potentially bad news for the Titans, who now might have a harder time keeping the defensive tackle around after this season. As a result of the honor, Haynesworth is set to become an unrestricted free agent. One of four triggers in the contract Haynesworth signed in July stated if he made it to the Pro Bowl the team would agree not to place the franchise tag on him for the second straight season. Haynesworth's agent, Chad Speck, said it not the time to discuss the future.
I actually think he would make a great DE in a 3-4. Him and Ratliff next to each other would be dominant.
But we are going to have to resign Ware as well. He is probably going to want something in the range of 7 years 80 mil, and same with Haynesworth. So I figure we can cut some fat. Cutting bad Roy and Henry will save us around 12 million against the cap.
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no...
I don’t want the face-stomper on our team.
Poor Andre Gurode!!
by ender0887 on Dec 17, 2008 11:12 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Can you imagine those two going up against each other in practice every day? You’d have a fight every day.
Signature! I don't need no stinking signature!!
by DerekSTheRed on Dec 17, 2008 11:13 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
They can kiss and make up
Haynesworth would make our D more dominant than it is now. It would be ridiculous.
by quincyyyyy on Dec 17, 2008 11:18 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
There is no way we could afford it.
He’s going to want more than Tommie Harris got, and that was a ton.
by Mandmeisterx on Dec 17, 2008 11:19 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
The cap has been going up every year, and like I said there are ways for us to save money
by quincyyyyy on Dec 17, 2008 11:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But he'd be much more of a luxury than a necessity.
I know Jerry loves the spotlight, but I just don’t see it happening. I think he’ll be back in TEN.
by Mandmeisterx on Dec 17, 2008 11:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't care how much he wants or how good he is...
I’ve hated this dude with a passion since he stopped Gurode. That was the single most piss-poor act I’ve seen from a professional athlete this side on Ron Artest…screw him. Let someone else overpay and we can “get by” with our Pro Bowl NT…
by AikmanNailedMySis on Dec 17, 2008 11:31 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
agreed, but I'm partial to Jay Rat...
and btw has anyone been able to find his jersey, because I sure as hell cant…
by AikmanNailedMySis on Dec 17, 2008 1:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Rat can be NT and Haynesworth would be DE
by quincyyyyy on Dec 17, 2008 1:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think you have it flipped
You’d want Rat at DE and Haynesworth at nose. Haynesworth NEVER rotates outside, whereas Rat has before.
That said, this would be a HUGELY expensive addition for a position that is not even close to an area of need. Our front 7 has been the best in the NFL over the past 6 weeks— why do we need to address it in free agency?
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
by Tim Wilson on Dec 19, 2008 9:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i don't think we can afford it really
we also need to resign Ware, who will command top dollar, and probably Canty or Spears. I do think however that we need a big run stuffing DT, maybe thru the draft or during the June cuts, just get a 2 down player.
also, last year was a contract year, and so is this year, I’m wary of guys who only play lights out in contract years
by stephen1 on Dec 17, 2008 11:40 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Haynesworth played lights out last year as well
and cap hell is only a myth. Teams find ways around it every year.
Furthermore, I see Haynesworth more as a DE in a 3-4 than a NT
by quincyyyyy on Dec 17, 2008 11:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Last year was also a contract year for Haynesworth
He was franchised two years in a row.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
by Tim Wilson on Dec 19, 2008 9:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Better value can be found
We need to find a big, run-stopping plug to put in the middle of the D line. It can be done for less that Haynesworth would command. The dispute with Gurode isn’t the tipping point with me but certainly doesn’t help. With Ware, Ratliff, Spencer, James, and a year or two more from Ellis, we have amassed plenty of pass rushing talent. I want a big 330 lb oaf in the middle to blow up the run.
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by JD McCubbie on Dec 17, 2008 11:41 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
He's Too Tall For A 3-4 Tackle
~Texas Massacre 08~
by TheHeat on Dec 17, 2008 11:50 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Reread my post I said he would be a DE
by quincyyyyy on Dec 17, 2008 11:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Reread My Response
He’s Too Tall For A 3-4 Tackle
~Texas Massacre 08~
by TheHeat on Dec 17, 2008 1:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's why he would play DE
I don’t get what you are trying to convey
by quincyyyyy on Dec 17, 2008 1:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He May Be An Ideal At DE...
But I doubt he would play such a position, especially in a 3-4. I believe Rat would be better at DE and then try to get a run-stuffer to play the NT.
I don’t see either happening tho because Ratliff loves playing the nose.
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by TheHeat on Dec 17, 2008 1:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm confused why does Rat have to enter the discussion
just leave him at NT and put Haynesworth at DE
by quincyyyyy on Dec 17, 2008 3:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
uncapped year in 2010
we can afford him. i hated haynesworth for his actions against Andre…
but he’s a better D lineman than Gurode is a center. sign him.
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by KDP on Dec 17, 2008 12:29 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
As for Haynesworth and Gurode
I thought Haynesworth showed genuine remorse for the incident, and Gurode forgave him and it was left. Did I misremember?
In the end, I think talented athletes can play together even if they fought or were enemies. I’m sure Gurode would realize that such a move would be made to help the team, and he’d probably be happy to welcome his new teammate.
That said, our defense is shaping up well. Iguess it’s still imperative to get a “real” 3-4 tackle or another 3-4 end?
by DavidH22 on Dec 17, 2008 12:51 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Do we actually need a "real" 3-4 tackle. Rat is good against the run and great in passing
situations. Haynesworth could shed a few pounds and replace Spears, or Canty if we decide not to resign him.
by quincyyyyy on Dec 17, 2008 12:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Haynesworth can get a 7 year 75-80 million dollar deal
You don’t pay a guy that kind of money to play DE in a 3-4. It’s just not a playmaking position. you pay a premium on your OLB’s (Ware) anddo what you can to stay inexpensive at the end spots, and just get guys who play the run well, and get marginal push
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by BigDinSC on Dec 17, 2008 2:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You pay that kind of money
to DT/DE’s who can get 10 sacks a year and demand double teams on every play. Think how impossible it would be to block Rat and Haynesworth right next to each other.
by quincyyyyy on Dec 17, 2008 3:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not on this defense you don't.
You already have Ware with 19 sacks, ratliff and ellis with potential for double digits, solid inside pressure from bradie james this year, and a young, potential packed pressure player in Spencer. Would a guy like Haynesworth be swell? Sure he would, but I don’t see how you can justify that kind of investment on a 34 DE when you are going to need to sign D-Ware to an a monster extension. Playmakers are nice, but you can’t have a steak on every plate.
"When it's third and ten, you can take the milk drinkers and I'll take the whiskey drinkers every time." -Max McGee
by BigDinSC on Dec 17, 2008 4:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And didn't we all hate T.O. for disgracing the star with the Niners...
Forgive and forget? Just saying…I don’t. I still hate him haha
by AikmanNailedMySis on Dec 17, 2008 1:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ratliff just made the Pro Bowl.
That is your dream as a GM. Draft a guy low and inexpensive and have him turn out to be a baller. Sure, Haynesworth is a phenomenal player, but Ratliff is frickin awesome for us. Plus, I’ll never be able to fully root for a player who did such a vicious act against a Cowboys player.
by KaceOFbass on Dec 17, 2008 1:59 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
What does Ratliff have to do with anything
Haynesworth would play DE
by quincyyyyy on Dec 17, 2008 3:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey I wouldn't rule this out.
Seems unlikely but Jerry always seems to find away around the salary cap.
by houseofprime on Dec 17, 2008 2:33 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Has Haynesworth ever played Defensive End? It is an intriguing idea
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by Seanrude on Dec 17, 2008 4:08 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
No No No
This team’s #1 priority is a new backup QB.
The #2 priority would be a free safety or strong safety since Hamlin can play either spot and complement the new player.
After that, I would like to see a backup swing OT and a special teams ace.
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by 5Blings on Dec 17, 2008 5:06 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
i know we all like to think we know...
but to be honest we arent the GM nor do we have anything to do with the team so I cant see a anyone here knowing what the teams #1 priority is. Its whatever the hell jerry wants it to be
by longhorn3621 on Dec 18, 2008 1:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1 on the QB
As we have seen, you can lose a running back or two, a guard or two, a corner or two, a safety or two and still be competitive. But if you lose the QB without a quality backup you are virtually dead.
Finding a guy who gives us a chance to win without having to hold the other team to 10 points would be my priority.
Garrett needs to get a clue!
by BulletBob on Dec 18, 2008 4:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I hear from Gooselin it will be Luke McCown
but at this point its only speculation.
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by Terry on Dec 18, 2008 4:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
would you rather have
Rex Grossman or Kyle Boller?
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by Wmillion on Dec 18, 2008 10:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You could have far worse back-ups than Kyle Boller.
Sure, if he was half as good as Brian Billick thought he was going to be when he originally drafted him, he’d have won 3-4 MVP’s by now. On the other hand, he has had several 4-TD pass games sadly including one against Vinny And The Boys in ‘04. He’s played stretches of good football before.
Besides, a back-up QB has earned that status for a reason. As sorry as Brad Johnson’s geezer butt is, if you take a look at who else was out there to be had at QB, the pickings were pretty slim. The best guy was probably Gus Fartrotte and all things being equal he was probably headed to the Vikings anyways since he knew he’d have the best chance to start there.
After that, you had Trent Green (who’s taken way too many shots) Byron Leftwich (who couldn’t even win the Falcons job in ’07) and guys like Quinn Gray and Mark Brunell.
by MadMick on Dec 19, 2008 9:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We dont need to spend Albert Haynseworth money.
I want us to draft our, run stuffing nose, and yes we can find one somewhere beyond the first round.
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by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Dec 17, 2008 5:23 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
The Titans will never let him go
He will be franchised.
by mhuff13 on Dec 17, 2008 6:07 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
You do realize that there isn’t really a "Defensive End," per say in a 3/4 defense right?
DE is more of a 4/3 term and that role is normally filled in a 3/4 set by an outside linebacker who will play on the line on any given play, (i.e. Demarcus Ware and /or Greg Ellis on 3rd and long). Typically the player will be undersized as defensive linemen but over sized as a Linebacker so he’s more of a hybrid, (again think Ware or Ellis).
A 3/4 defense normally has a nose tackle, a right defensive tackle and a left defensive tackle, (so if you’re talking about putting Haynesworth in one of those spots than it could be interesting).
But ultimately I think this team could make its defense better without having to bring in a big name like Haynesworth, (especially since he’d have to become accustomed to an entirely different role playing in a 3/4). There is something to be said for a solid role player, who flies under the radar, and gets the job done, (look no further than New England for an example of a team that finds these types of players). Especially on a team that has more than filled is super star quota like the Cowboys have.
0 = The number of Super Bowls the Eagles have won.
by gee-roj on Dec 18, 2008 8:16 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Further more it’s just not an area of need for this team. I’d much prefer they find a solid back up QB in the free agent market along with another OT.
In the draft I’d love too see them find an NT and a wide out to groom for the future, (just in case Roy doesn’t pan out).
0 = The number of Super Bowls the Eagles have won.
by gee-roj on Dec 18, 2008 8:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You do realize the correct terminology is Defensive End, right?
And if you can add a disruptive player to your d-line you do it. Games are won and lost in the trenches.
by quincyyyyy on Dec 18, 2008 8:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess I don't understand why everyone thinks
that Haynesworth can just come in and play a 3-4 end. I know he’s a great player and a great athlete, but I think it’s foolish to assume he can make the switch and still be as dominant.
by Mandmeisterx on Dec 18, 2008 11:27 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I think it's far more likely than not he will be dominant
He has the skills and size to be a great 3-4 DE and a 3-4 DE has many of the same responsibilities of a 4-3 DT
by quincyyyyy on Dec 18, 2008 2:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The dude is a straight line, space eatting, pocket crushing........Tackle
He doesnt have the lateral movement he would need to maintain the same level of play he can give yop in the middle. Why pay him a ton to move him where wont be worth as much.
I believe there are ways around the cap but with Wares contract ready for renewal its just has cap hell written all over it down the road.
by squidlo97 on Dec 18, 2008 2:32 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
wrong.....2010 is an uncapped year.....2009 season will have the same cap as 2008...
Haynesworth would make this defense one of the most dominant of all time…….I don’t see it happening…but if Jerry wants the man….you have no objections here………….
eliminate the contracts of:
Roy Williams-S- two years left on contract
Anthony Henry-CB-one year left on contract
Terry Glenn-WR-Retired
Barbie Carpenter-?-useless
Chis Canty-DE-FA
Tank Johnson-DT-FA
Sam Hurd-WR-RFA
Kev Burnett-LB-FA
We can afford any damn player out there (including Haynesworth) AND extend Demarcus Ware……
btw….Haynesworth would play NT here….6’6" 325lbs…NOT DE
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by BoyzRback on Dec 19, 2008 8:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm hoping we re-sign Canty and Burnett
Don’t want to break up this defense…we don’t need Haynesworth, Ratliff is a beast.
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by Terry on Dec 19, 2008 9:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Rat is a beast
what does that have to do with anything
by quincyyyyy on Dec 19, 2008 12:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I would also like for us to resign Burnett, but if we were able to get a FA LB like Carlos Dansby from Arizona...I'd drop Burnett in a heart beat...
Dansby is a major FA, and will command top dollar for a LB…Arizona will more than likely franchise him….but he would be my target IF i was GM…Zack isn’t going to play much longer , and we have NOOOOOO depth at all at LB…Dansby is better than Zack and James…and can play outside if needed as well…
Canty has played himself into a middle of the road free agent contract….and as much as i’d like to see him stay, I gather he’ll get better offers elsewhere that Jerry won’t match…
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"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
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by BoyzRback on Dec 20, 2008 1:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Any interest
In Bart Scott or Channing Crowder?
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by Wmillion on Dec 18, 2008 11:04 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Haynesworth weighs 30 pounds more than Ratliff
Why on earth are people talking about putting Haynesworth at 3-4 DE and Ratliff at NT? If you signed Haynesworth, you’d put him on the nose and Rat outside. But 1) it’s not an area of need AT ALL— our front 7 has been the best in the NFL over the psat 5 weeks, and 2) it would be HUGELY expensive for a NT, especially considering we already have one.
Just extend Canty and Ware, our front 7 is just fine.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
by Tim Wilson on Dec 19, 2008 9:32 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Quincy, they’re the best front 7 in football the past 5 weeks. What more do you want, man. It’s not a necessary investment.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
by Tim Wilson on Dec 19, 2008 1:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But you need to focus on the areas in which you need to get better
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by aussie_cowboy on Dec 22, 2008 7:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Spears still has another year left on his contract, so he'll be back
One of these two, Canty or Burnett probably wont be back. I think Dallas will try to sign Canty, I think Burnett signs a better deal somewhere else.
by Deke on Dec 19, 2008 5:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i agree...one of the two will not be here next year..
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"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
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by BoyzRback on Dec 20, 2008 1:42 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
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