Ravens 33, Cowboys 24 -- The Patches Fail, and Some Girders Do Too
A seven-play sequence in the late 2nd quarter and early 3rd tells the tale:
1. Dallas in 1st-and-ten from its own 13 after a Baltimore punt. The Ravens go with a two man line, with a DE in the gap between RG Leonard Davis and RT Marc Colombo. At the snap the DE goes wide and Colombo picks him up, easily. Davis does not make the pass off and ILB Ray Lewis charges untouched right up the middle at Tony Romo. Romo has to dump the ball off the Tashard Choice for a one yard loss.
2. 2nd-and-11: The Ravens go to a three man line, with a NT over Davis and a DE over Colombo and an OLB outside of them. At the snap, both Baltimore DL crash inside and the OLB blitzes off the edge. Choice blocks the OLB. Davis hands the inside DL to Andre Gurode and switches to pick up the outside DL. Colombo doesn't make the pass off and stays with his man, allowing LB Bart Scott a free lane directly at Romo. Romo forces a pass early and completes it to Jason Witten for seven yards.
3. 3rd-and-3: Baltimore runs a NT at Gurode and a DE at Colombo. They blitz an ILB and a S off the slot at Davis. He picks up the LB. Romo makes a quick throw to Witten for the first down.
4. Baltimore goes to a more conventional four-man line. The DT over Davis swims past him but Gurode cleans up. Romo completes a circle route to Choice for eight yards.
5. 2nd-and-2: Baltimore rushes four. Romo has Owens breaking free down the left sideline and makes one of his few on-target deep throws of the night. Owens loses the ball in the Texas Stadium rafters and the ball bounces incomplete.
6. 3rd and 2: Baltimore is in a straight 3-4. At the snap, Gurode handles the NT. LG Cory Proctor handles the DE. LT Flozell Adams blocks down on the DE as well, giving OLB Terrell Suggs a free run at Romo. Romo spins away and throws the ball downfield to an open Terrell Owens. His pass is short, as were nearly all of Romo's deep throws from the numbers outside and it's picked off by Ed Reed.
Second Half
7. 1st and 10: Dallas first play of the 2nd half. Baltimore lines up in a four man look, but shifts late. Suggs initially lines up over T.O. in the left flat,but drifts down the line of scrimmage to his normal OLB spot. The Ravens are in a traditional 3-4 at the snap. Again, Gurode handles the NT, Proctor the DE and again, Adams completely ignores Suggs, the Ravens leading sacker, who gets another free shot at Romo, who again spins away and throws an incompletion.
Seven consecutive plays. Seven consecutive passes. On five of them, Romo has a Raven coming untouched right at him. And on four of those plays, one of the Flozell Adams, Leonard Davis or Marc Colombo trio has a brain freeze and misses his man.
This is the big money of the Cowboys' line, three pillars of the offense, and they collapsed on their QB. That's not to excuse Romo's poor tosses. His 3rd quarter miss to Miles Austin was a killer, as it was followed by the short, low Sam Paulescu punt that started a strange sequence of plays in motion that ended with the Ravens' first TD. Dallas never recovered.
Still, Romo has a bad back. He played in clear pain. And the big boys up front couldn't keep the Ravens from beating him up. If Romo was a litigious type, he could sue Davis for non-support, or at least petition the NFL to rescind Davis' Pro Bowl berth.
A lot of fans scoffed when Wade Phillips said Cory Proctor graded out highest among the OL last week. I can't speak for the rest of the linemen, but I can tell you that Proctor definitely graded out better than Davis this week.
Take a look at play number 1 on the sequence list, the outside DE stunt with the ILB rushing in Davis' gap. The one where Davis whiffed on Ray Lewis.
My Tivo didn't start on schedule, so I missed the first 27 minutes of game time. In those final 33, I counted five times where Rex Ryan called this blitz. And Davis blew his protection EVERY SINGLE TIME. Not once did he lay a finger on Lewis. Not once.
That's five plays where Davis let a 250 lb. linebacker splatter his QB. Romo still made some big plays against the Ravens' rush. Dallas scored 17 points in the 4th quarter and could have had more if Choice had not bungled a 3rd down pitchout where he had a lane to the sideline.
But make no mistake, all of Romo's production came in spite of his line, not because of their help. They were an embarrassment last night and the veterans can't blame poor health or Cory Proctor for their play. Were a less mobile QB playing behind that protection last night, the Ravens get double digit sacks. I doubt Dallas tallies 10 points.
Nevertheless, the bigger point is that Dallas has never overcome the weaknesses it brought out of training camp. Proctor has played with guts, and he did a respectable job yesterday, but he's a big step down from Kyle Kosier, and Gurode has protected him a lot in pass protection.
This means Davis is left one and one. And while Bigg Leonard can maul anybody on rushing downs, he's vulnerable to shifty inside rushers and to stunts when he's left alone. The Giants beat him for a sack and drew a holding penalty on him last week. Ryan took full advantage of him yesterday. Dallas can cover for one guard who's having a tough day pass blocking but it can't cover for two.
Montrae Holland may be around next week, but he's only been available for five quarters this season. Kosier, with his manifold injuries, at least gave the team six. Pencil a big, young C/G in as Dallas' top offensive offseason target.
On defense, the patch at SS named Keith Davis finally blew out. I wrote in the pre-game that we would see Baltimore throw to Todd Heap when they got inside the Dallas 35. And right on cue, Ravens OC Cam Cameron called a seam to Heap when Baltimore got a 1st and 10 on the Dallas 29 halfway through the first quarter.
Davis was badly beaten and took an interference penalty to prevent a score. The Cowboys held Baltimore to a field goal, but Wade Phillips made note of the mismatch and took dramatic action to prevent it from recurring. Phillips' problem was he had no viable safety option to cover Heap in this part of the field. The next two times the Ravens tried Heap on these routes, Demarcus Ware shadowed him in space.
Let the insanity and the helplessness in that last sentence sink in. The Cowboys had to take their best rusher and assign him a TE because they don't have a SS on their roster who can provide passable coverage. Who else could do the job? Tra Battle? The ghost of Pat Watkins? Courtney Brown?
And Davis' liabilities go beyond coverage. He was an embarrassment on Baltimore's two long TD runs that iced the game. On Willis McGahee's run Davis had a clean shot at the RB but hesitated, took a poor angle to the ball and tripped over Zach Thomas' feet, taking himself out of the play.
On La'Ron McClain's 82 yard romp Davis again made a weak run at the ballcarrier, and whiffed diving for McClain's ankles.
The Cowboys have been able to hide Davis for several weeks, but last night the charade was exposed. It makes little difference in my opinion if the Cowboys swap Phillips out for another HC/defensive guru if this problem is not addressed.
Let's say the rippers get their wish and Wade is shown the door. And let's say the Cowboys bring in a Rex Ryan to keep their 3-4 humming. Rex has Ed Reed in Baltimore. He would have Keith Davis or a rehabbing Roy Williams, another year older and another half step slower, in Dallas. Think he could get any more out his new secondary with that SS tandem than the current coaches are now?
The same would be true of a Bill Cowher. Even if he brought a Dom Capers with him the old DC would be picking through the same safety remainders bin. Cowher had Troy Polamalu at his last job.
And please, disabuse yourself of shifting Anthony Henry to FS and Hamlin to SS. Hamlin also has a lot to answer for in the tackling department. He was an upgrade over Davis at FS but would anybody put him in the same sentence with Reed or Polamalu as a playmaker?
The Cowboys have gone five seasons since their last top defensive ranking. It's no coincidence to me that the drought started with Darren Woodson's forced retirement. Bill Parcells never attempted to replace him and Jerry 2.0 hasn't either.
It's been a long time since 28. A long lonely, grumpy, iffy, shaky, crazy time.
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this
needs to stop
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
by Longhorn on Dec 21, 2008 8:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Reminds me of guys celebrating a tackle when their team is down big.
by Baked Potato Soup on Dec 21, 2008 8:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
:) Thanks for making it even sweeter
I’ve seldom had the opportunity to be “first”, only did it once I think and passed a few times. Just knowing how much it gets under the skin of some people made it perfectly irresistable. +1 kinda gets to me but I don’t expect it to stop and wouldn’t ask people to either. Thanks guys.
by StillHateTheGiants on Dec 22, 2008 10:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If youre going to say first,
at least make a comment about the post
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Dec 22, 2008 5:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
what is "this" - the saying "First" thing? dude that's tradition man...
by Loozeeana_Cowboy on Dec 21, 2008 8:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
tradition for who? Tradition is the passing on of a custom from generation to generation...
what generation is passing on a custom here? Exactly.
by DieSlowKeyshawn on Dec 22, 2008 12:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ken Hamlin has been good at FS, but he missed tackles on both the last 2 td's
On the first run, the ball carrier ran right through him
by StillHateTheGiants on Dec 21, 2008 7:06 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Both safeties were awful on those two plays.
Davis just missed his tackles first. He was closer to the action on each play. That’s the SS’s job.
Hamlin is the only passable safety on the roster.
That’s not good.
by Rafael Vela on Dec 21, 2008 7:07 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
what happenned to
henry and hamlin the ballhawks from last year?
keep pacman in for henry at least he covers better
and put henry in at safety in certain situations
since we technically control our own destiny next week to get in the playoffs
we’re gonna come out clicking on all cylinders and beat the always-average eagles
Superbowl or Bust?
by MrMinority on Dec 21, 2008 7:08 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
our safety play is absolutely horrible
Thats should be out #1 priority in the off season, we need a Palomala, Sanders, Reed type safety, it would make our defense elite.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Dec 21, 2008 7:10 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Adam Jones did not have a good game last night.
Give me the rookies over him, any time. By next year, Jenkins and Scandrick should both be better than Adam Jones.
by Rafael Vela on Dec 21, 2008 7:10 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Tony Romo
I love this write up, it proves how important protecting the qb really is.. It is time to adjust the offense to compensate for the lines short comings..
"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"
by Wmillion on Dec 21, 2008 7:11 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
+1
I don’t see too many qbs succeeding last night with a bad back facing that defense with the way our OL played.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Dec 21, 2008 7:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No way
You saw what Tom Brady did vs. NYG in the Superbowl last year.. Garrett has to realize beating Philly comes down to protecting Romo. Wade will have the D ready, if can move the ball and keep them fresh we will be fine.
"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"
by Wmillion on Dec 21, 2008 7:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's December.
Romo’s team’s gonna lose most of ’em. But hey, if you want early season wins, you have to take the late season losses. If you want TDs, your quarterback has to throw horrible, momentum killing interceptions and late passes the majority of the game. With Romo, you have to take the bad with the good, right?
by Baked Potato Soup on Dec 21, 2008 7:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Safety is the first position we draft
unless there is a C/G on the board we can’t pass up.
Any Safety’s coming up in free agency that are worth a look this year?
by Philosopher on Dec 21, 2008 7:11 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
not really
http://www.footballsfuture.com/2009/fa/db.html
"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"
by Wmillion on Dec 21, 2008 7:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm
I like Landry, but he missed this entire year. Not a whole lot else there I agree. Mike Brown could be worth a look. He gets hurt a lot though…..
by Philosopher on Dec 21, 2008 7:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I like Sharper and Dawkins more then Mike Brown
Brown is money, but has been injury prone.
"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"
by Wmillion on Dec 21, 2008 7:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sharper and Dawkins are a little long in the tooth though
We need a young safety, so we should probably just look in the draft.
by Philosopher on Dec 21, 2008 7:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
that is my thinking
Another draft like last year and this team is stacked.
"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"
by Wmillion on Dec 21, 2008 7:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i had drink with DSHarp
about 4 years ago and he was old then.
we hung out for a few hours and hit a few bars and the guy can hardly stand up. watching him walk around you would think he was about to have a total knee replacement. i respect the guy, but i think signing him would be the wrong move
by 325424 on Dec 21, 2008 8:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he just couldn't handle his booze.
by MadMick on Dec 22, 2008 4:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ha
no seriously, he walked like an arthritic. he had to sit down whenever he could. standing was painful for him. i saw him play the giants the next year (i had first row tickets with the medical staff so we had a pretty good view) and the dr’s were commenting (as he walked to the huddle or walked between plays) if someone walked into their office like that they would expect to give full knee an/or hip replacements. despite the fact that he looked to be on his last legs he had a huge game (3 INTS and ran one back 92 yards) and pretty much won the game for them. he is impressive.
by 325424 on Dec 22, 2008 12:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sharper is older than dirt and has lost a lot of range
the Vikings drafted a S early in round two this year to replace him.
Mike Brown has had what, two ACL reconstructions? Priest Holmes proved you can overcome this but I’d rather let another team take the risk.
by Rafael Vela on Dec 21, 2008 7:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I trust your analysis Raf, but what about the coaching
So if the coaching staff knows the O-line is consistently getting beat, what adjustments did they try to make? I thought the play calling in both the Pitt game late (after we were up by 10) and Balt games was atrocious.
by StillHateTheGiants on Dec 21, 2008 7:11 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
The play calling in Pittsburgh was fine
Romo coughed up a hairball.
We can damn the play calling but when Romo’s first step in his dropback is an evasive action 50% of the time, play calling fades.
It’s street ball at that point and be happy Dallas has a QB who can play street ball.
by Rafael Vela on Dec 21, 2008 7:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
After Dallas got ahead, it was very conservative. Romo had played well enough to get them up by 10 and then the team played to not lose.
by StillHateTheGiants on Dec 21, 2008 7:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Uh, no.
Dallas started a drive at their seven. On a windy day when your QB is spraying the ball, you don’t air it out. They got a first down and punted.
On their next drive they started at their 40 and gave up a killer 2nd down sack. That’s not a play call. That’s poor execution.
On their last drive Romo throws the pick on play one. Is that play calling? Don’t think so.
by Rafael Vela on Dec 21, 2008 7:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Amazing how a healthy offensive line created great coaches last year
… and equally amazing how Garrett is suddenly a fool when Romo is running for his life.
In other words, I agree that too much blame is directed at the coaches when execution and injuries have taken their toll. Look at Fox at Carolina. Considered one of the smartest coaches in the NFL until last year when injuries devastated the team. Now suddenly he’s back among the elite. Go figure.
Duane Thomas, Calvin Hill, Tony Dorsett, Emmitt Smith ... and now BOTH Marion Barber and Felix Jones
by DalaiLuke on Dec 21, 2008 7:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
heh?
coaches impact execution. and the only thing that matters is winning and losing. not the health of your team. if your o line isn’t picking up blitzers properly, you coach them on it. and, you prepare them for it so it never occurs in the first place.
is your point the Ravens are undefeatable?
by Joey2zs on Dec 21, 2008 7:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, I'm not that impressed with Hudson Houck
but when your long time, decorated vets are making simple, mental screw ups play after play, the blame starts with them.
by Rafael Vela on Dec 21, 2008 7:13 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
yea
he needs to take note on how the ravens after giving up 5 sacks in the first half adjusted
and gave up 0 in the 2nd half
flacco had almost all day to throw
and everytime romo got the ball he was running around unable to make reads and throw correctly
Superbowl or Bust?
by MrMinority on Dec 21, 2008 7:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I swear, if I could kick this Cowboy jones, i would be outta here
I have been a Cowboy fan for longer than a lot of people on here have been alive and it’s getting to be more than I can take. It’s not just that the Cowboys lose important games, they find ways to lose them that Hollywood couldn’t make up. 2 long TD runs in the last couple of minutes? Are you freakin kidding me? Getting blown out by StL? This underachieving team makes the fumbled snap in Seattle look good. How can they be so good one week and total clowns the next?
by StillHateTheGiants on Dec 21, 2008 7:17 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Yup
That is how I feel. It’s like they look for creative ways to crush the collective heart of the fan base.
I am a Cowboys pessimist until they can win a playoff game. I have earned the right to be one after suffering through the last few years and the heartbreaks. LOL!
I hate the Eagles!! So, I expect the ‘Boys to lose a close game because of their own stupid mistakes and crush me for yet another year. After all, that’s what they have been doing the past few years….
Still, the injuries this year have been horrible. I keep thinking what Felix Jones could do for us right now. Or having our punter. Or Kosier….Sigh…
by Philosopher on Dec 21, 2008 7:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
They're not a complete team.
They’re playing with four good OL and one zero at LG. You’re better off with five average OL than four good ones and a zero,
On defense, they have no safeties.
And they have some big money OL who take lots of plays off.
by Rafael Vela on Dec 21, 2008 7:23 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I agree
You watch Tennessee and how well they protect Kerry Collins, they have been healthy, making them a cohesive unit.. We need Montrae back..
We have to play the field position game, because our kicker stinks..
Hamlin practicing one day a week is not good. Our trainers are doing everything they can do get our guys ready to go.
"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"
by Wmillion on Dec 21, 2008 7:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
our punter is worse
the ravens punter koch averaged i think 14 more yards than paulescu
folk is money on field goals but not too great on kickoffs
we also need turnovers..we got a td off one but no turnovers after that
also, hamlin let one slip..AHH
we need int’s why do we bring in pacman and pay newman the big bucks
for ints
Superbowl or Bust?
by MrMinority on Dec 21, 2008 7:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Newman has half the team's picks
in just what, five games?
by Rafael Vela on Dec 21, 2008 7:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i know
he’s been solid
but im mainly taking about the team as a whole
we only have like 7 picks
and we cause fumbles but dont recover them
Superbowl or Bust?
by MrMinority on Dec 21, 2008 7:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And we may be without Witten next week
He always comes up huge against the Eagles and he is Romo’s security blanket.
by Philosopher on Dec 21, 2008 7:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Witten will play, he always does
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Dec 21, 2008 7:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually
That’s one of the problems I have with this coaching staff. They put much to much emphasis on experience. When someone is injured they are not as good as those on the bench. Let the young guys play more. If Witten is 80% then let him sit.
by staubachfan on Dec 21, 2008 7:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
Then tell me why Barber has dressed by direction of the coaching staff the past 2 weeks and has seen 5 plays during the span of those two games?
by DieSlowKeyshawn on Dec 21, 2008 7:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
that may be true, but when we first lost Felix, it seemed like it was gonna taka a frigging
act of Congress to get ole butt-stubborn Wade to even give T. Choice a chance at getting some carries in behind Marion…did Wade not get an idea of what the kid could do by watching him in practice? Granted, this isn’t really on-point, b/c we’re talking about replacing injured starters, not minutes of playing time behind the starter…nevertheless i had to get that off my chest – it chapped my ass that he didn’t give T. Choice a few more carries when F. Jones first got hurt…
by Loozeeana_Cowboy on Dec 21, 2008 8:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Eagles are beaten up too
This is why they drafted Martellus Bennett.
by Rafael Vela on Dec 21, 2008 7:33 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I couldn't agree more Raf about the safety trouble.
It seems like Dallas will have to draft one sooner or later.
Hamlin is an average safety, but Dallas doesn’t have a true playmaker at safety and hasn’t since Woody left.
by AirforceBat on Dec 21, 2008 7:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I
miss #28 … what a ball player.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by what_the_crap on Dec 21, 2008 7:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
are u saying the O line is the real reason?
Not putting it on anyone myself, but it would be nice to have a QB who didn’t toss the ball up for grabs and could make a play all game long and not just at the end. Then there is the 4th quarter D and the coaches and the receivers, But what about Witten and TC no negatives on these guys! Hearts of Lions! ( The animal not the team)
by bad knees on Dec 21, 2008 7:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Yes
Romo makes mistakes. He’s a gunslinger. But how many games has he cost Dallas? Pittsburgh.
He didn’t cost Dallas last night’s game. On Dallas last two TD drives, he make half a dozen passes when guys came free and nailed him. The Arizona loss was another one where he was killed every time he went back to pass.
The Redskins loss was on the defense, who got rolled in the second half. Romo wasn’t there for the Rams and Giants losses.
Now think of the games where the D or the o-line played poorly and Dallas won. Romo can drive you nuts, but without him, Dallas is a 5-11 team.
by Rafael Vela on Dec 21, 2008 7:44 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
++++++++++11111111111111111111
Duane Thomas, Calvin Hill, Tony Dorsett, Emmitt Smith ... and now BOTH Marion Barber and Felix Jones
by DalaiLuke on Dec 21, 2008 7:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1000000000000000000000000000
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Dec 21, 2008 7:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely! Nothing is ever Tony Romo's fault.
Really! It’s just a coincidence.
by Baked Potato Soup on Dec 21, 2008 7:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
who is saying nothing is ever his fault?
It’s easy to knock down strawmen when you get to create them.
by Rafael Vela on Dec 21, 2008 7:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not aimed at you.
But just as many people that say we should cut or trade him because he sucks, say that it is never his fault. Both are annoying, vocal minorities. I was responding to the plus eleventy billion posts.
by Baked Potato Soup on Dec 21, 2008 9:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Defending Romo against detractors...
Baked, I’d LOVE to see Romo play better. The reason I defend him is not because I don’t see his faults, it’s because I am willing to take the good with the bad, and believe him to be an elite QB. You disagree, that is why these debates are entertaining.
Duane Thomas, Calvin Hill, Tony Dorsett, Emmitt Smith ... and now BOTH Marion Barber and Felix Jones
by DalaiLuke on Dec 21, 2008 9:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You know what's funny here?
With all the debate about Romo, Tom Brady threw passes up like that last year right and left. The difference was that Randy Moss went and got them. T.O. doesn’t.
by rhbgsherb on Dec 21, 2008 9:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's not like Brady was taking a big gamble.
Moss is probably the best jump ball receiver of all time. I couldn’t tell you whether or not T.O. has ever been considered a great jump ball receiver but I believe his best asset has always been and still is what he does after he catches the ball shrugging off defenders like they’re fleas. One thing’s for sure; at this point is his career, T.O. ain’t in The Playmaker’s zip code when it comes to making tough catches with DB’s draped all over you.
by MadMick on Dec 22, 2008 4:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He wasn't solely at fault for the loss last night,
but he definitely contributed. So what games has he played poorly in that we lost this year? The 2 that counted. 2 of the 3 so far in December.
by Baked Potato Soup on Dec 21, 2008 7:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"The 2 that counted."
Value of a regular season win in September — one game;
Value of a regular season win in December — one game.
When you can prove a win in December is worth two games, a lot of teams will want to hire you.
by Rafael Vela on Dec 21, 2008 8:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
I said earlier the NFL is not the BCS overcoming an early loss isn’t any different then overcoming a loss late in the season.
by staubachfan on Dec 21, 2008 8:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Value of a loss in December is more.
2 of the last 3, and, as usual, 2 of the 3 in December so far. That’s Romo’s problem, too. Wait, I thought it was important that we peak at the right time? Isn’t that what everyone was saying all year? Well, here he is stumbling to the finish again. But it’s not his fault. It never is. The poor guy’s like Steve Young when he played for the Buccaneers. I don’t know how we ever win at all with the lack of talent on this team at every position besides QB.
by Baked Potato Soup on Dec 21, 2008 8:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
That’s funny. I am not a Romo apologist either. He’s a bit of a choker and he hurts this team a lot with the boneheaded interceptions. I don’t know why the guy can’t learn better ball security, but apparently that is too much to ask of him.
But, Raf is right. We are better with him than without him. Whether it is enough to win the big game or not, who knows. I hope someday he can get over the hump.
by Philosopher on Dec 21, 2008 8:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, the fallacies here are so thick:
The value of a loss in December is more:
Really? It counts double? Is that in the tie-breakers? Tell that to the ’06 Colts. Or the ’07 Giants. They stumbled in December and won Super Bowls.
“Isn’t that what everybody is saying.”
So now “everybody” is right? Who is this everybody? I don’t pay attention to everybody.
“I don’t know how we win with the lack of talent at every position besides QB…”
What part of this statment is unclear to you? “this isn’t to excuse Romo’s bad throws. His miss to Miles Austin was a killer…” I think that means Romo was a contributor, but not the main contributor.
So then you huff and puff and say, “he wasn’t solely at fault, but he definitely contributed.”
In other words, “you fool, Romo is at fault! For exactly, uh, the very reasons you say! So there!”
Reading comprehension dude.
by Rafael Vela on Dec 21, 2008 8:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
For me it comes down to this...
No QB looks good with the kind of pressure Romo had last night. That is the bottom line. That Romo was able to create so many opportunities DESPITE this is truly amazing, but the detractors seem intent on forgetting how many times Romo turns a bad situation into a gain. A
All the guy does is put up elite numbers, yet even Cowboy fans want to minimize his value. I hope these same guys will eat a bit of humble pie when we win a playoff game or 4.
Duane Thomas, Calvin Hill, Tony Dorsett, Emmitt Smith ... and now BOTH Marion Barber and Felix Jones
by DalaiLuke on Dec 21, 2008 8:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Gladly!
I can’t wait for that to happen. I have my bib, napkin, and fork ready. I’ve made reservations. I’m just waiting for Romo, party of 1, to show up.
by Baked Potato Soup on Dec 21, 2008 8:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you seem to enjoy swimming in your hate
if it works for you, get all wet
Duane Thomas, Calvin Hill, Tony Dorsett, Emmitt Smith ... and now BOTH Marion Barber and Felix Jones
by DalaiLuke on Dec 21, 2008 8:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What are you talking about?
I just said that I can’t wait to be first in line to apologize and celebrate as soon as the guy gives me reason to. Obviously I don’t expect you to be familiar with my posts, but prior to tonight, almost every time I mention Romo playing poorly, I say that I think he can overcome it and lead us to the top. He’s really testing my faith, though.
I don’t hate him, I love him. Wanting someone to play better is not hating. If I hated him, I would want him to fail. I sincerely hope he ends up with more SB rings than any other QB that ever played the game. But that doesn’t mean I’m going to ignore his tendency to fall apart toward the end of the season.
All the guy has to do to silence the “haters” is win. I don’t know about you, but I’ll take a bus driver getting first downs, moving the chains, and keeping the D off the field for some rest over his performance last night or in Pittsburgh.
by Baked Potato Soup on Dec 21, 2008 8:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Makes sense to me, but anything that goes against the grain on this site is bad.
We're down but not out. Keep the faith.
by Captain Comeback on Dec 21, 2008 8:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm talking about your insistance on the idea that Romo didn't show up
“I’ve made reservations. I’m just waiting for Romo, party of 1, to show up.”
… you follow THAT with “I just said that I can’t wait to be first in line to apologize and celebrate…”
Sorry if I interpret you wrong, but to me that is trying to have it both ways, with the first version dripping hate.
I sincerely believe all the Romo detractors chose to ignore all his positives, all the times he avoided 3rd and 18 by being elusive, all the reasons he owns an ELITE QB rating… and instead see only his faults.
Duane Thomas, Calvin Hill, Tony Dorsett, Emmitt Smith ... and now BOTH Marion Barber and Felix Jones
by DalaiLuke on Dec 21, 2008 8:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Right back atcha.
You said you hope we all eat crow when he wins a playoff game or 4. To my knowledge, he hasn’t shown up to serve me that humble pie yet as far as winning in the playoffs. I meant both statements. Thus far, he hasn’t delivered in the playoffs, and I will rush to be first in line to eat crow if and hopefully when he does. I meant it as, I can’t wait for him to prove me wrong, but he hasn’t done it yet.
I think the guy is a great first 12 games QB, but has yet to finish strong. That’s not hating, that’s what has happened.
by Baked Potato Soup on Dec 21, 2008 9:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Amen
But you’re talking to Big Red Brick Walls graffiti’d with Romo [insert your last name here] all over it.
by Doomsday on Dec 21, 2008 10:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You see the glass half empty, I see it half full...
But big red brick walls? It’s as if you put all the blame on Romo. Funny how all this negativity will evaporate when the O-line shows up and the D plays 4 quarters.
The question is, who has greater blinders? The Romo-licious or the Romo-Ohno’s? Amazing how Romo is compared to Quincy and Troy in the same thread. I’m of the “like Troy” camp, you disagree…
Big red brick walls? Really?
Duane Thomas, Calvin Hill, Tony Dorsett, Emmitt Smith ... and now BOTH Marion Barber and Felix Jones
by DalaiLuke on Dec 22, 2008 10:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Any QB,but Romo last night get sacked 10 times, and has 4 turnovers..
Romo is doing what he can with what he has..
Does our December record really matter We made the playoffs, we weren’t going to get a bye in 06. We were still the #1 seed in 07. If win Sunday, we will be the playoffs again, we had no chance for a bye anyway..
It appears December is not that important..
"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"
by Wmillion on Dec 21, 2008 8:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree in that I do think momentum and confidence is important rolling into the playoffs. I am not saying it is a must have, but if you show something in December, I think you got a better shot in January.
And I think we have actually have shown something this year in the last 3 games. We just can’t get out of our own way.
by Philosopher on Dec 21, 2008 8:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Where did I call you a fool?
You’re putting words in my mouth. Ironic that you are suggesting reading comprehension when you are lacking as well. I’ve seen that that’s your style though, if someone disagrees with you, you get insulting and challenge their intelligence, because God forbid they have the audacity to think that you are wrong. You said that Romo didn’t cost them the game, then said that the guy had to overcome his teammates to play as poorly as he did. To me, that’s excusing his bad throws. Maybe that’s my reading comprehension again. I think he was the main contributor, but wasn’t alone. So then you huff and puff and say that I called you a fool and was huffing and puffing. Just because someone has a different opinion than you doesn’t mean that they are attacking your manhood. Try some decaf.
December wins count for momentum and confidence. It counts that the guy continues to play poorly and lose when the weather outside is frightful. It counts that a clear path was laid out, and the guy screwed the pooch in 2 of the 3 games so far.
Here’s his career so far:
2006: 4-1 through November, 2-3 to end the season, first round playoff loss
2007: 11-1 through November, 2-2 to end the season, first round playoff loss
2008 so far: 8-2 through November, 1-2 so far to end the season, we’ll see what happens
I’m sure it’s just me and the conspiracy theorists, but that appears to be a trend. Does Romo suck? No. Is this team better with him than Brad Johnson? Yes. Does he play poorly and lose games at the end of the season every year? Yes.
by Baked Potato Soup on Dec 21, 2008 8:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
qbs don't lose games, teams do
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Dec 21, 2008 9:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
fair point
but QB’s can turnover the ball and Romo’s turnovers increase in Dec.
i think he changes that at some point, but so far he is three for three
by 325424 on Dec 21, 2008 9:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Does he care?
Sometimes, I feel like Romo doesn’t care. Maybe it’s the smile after one of his infamous plays, or maybe it’s the way he he just slumps his shoulders when he walks off the field.
I guess I just got spoiled with Troy but the players seemed to respect him. Sometimes I feel like Tony would rather go home and get his BJ from his Hottie than be playing football. I hope he shows up big this week. I hope he’s pissed and ready to shut the media up with a win! I’m getting sick and tired of hearing he’s not clutch, so much so I’m starting to believe it.
We're down but not out. Keep the faith.
by Captain Comeback on Dec 21, 2008 8:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He has to smile..
Do you see the amount of scrutiny he is under?.. The guy doesn’t care, yet he has the chance to lead us to 3 straight playoff appearance?
"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"
by Wmillion on Dec 21, 2008 8:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Troy never smiled.
We're down but not out. Keep the faith.
by Captain Comeback on Dec 21, 2008 8:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ok
Troy Aikman is troy Aikman.. He is his own man.. I realize Troy is a great Qb, but his stats are more bus driver then Elite QB. Including the playoffs..
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
by Wmillion on Dec 21, 2008 8:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sometimes you need a bus driver.
If you’ve got a bus full of people, for example. That’s what makes a QB elite, in my opinion, knowing when it’s more important to be a bus driver than a gunslinger. If Romo had just driven the bus last night and in Pittsburgh, we almost certainly win both games.
by Baked Potato Soup on Dec 21, 2008 8:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
hmm
Throwing almost as many picks as TD’s, doesn’t sound elite to me.. His stats are no better then Romo’s..
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
by Wmillion on Dec 21, 2008 8:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah - and (disclaimer) - i'm completely on board with Romo being the QB for
our team…but that being said, i think soup is dead on with this:
“knowing when it’s more important to be a bus driver than a gunslinger.”
by Loozeeana_Cowboy on Dec 21, 2008 8:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
amen
and troy had the best postseason qb rating ever for a while. that is clutch.
by 325424 on Dec 21, 2008 9:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And Troy was the most accurate QB I have EVER seen play
Romo is no Aikman. Their names don’t belong in the same sentence.
I hope someday that Romo can do what Aikman did though and bring a trophy back to Dallas.
by Philosopher on Dec 21, 2008 9:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Aikman
61.5 completion %
Romo 63.9%
Romo is learning, so is Jason Garrett. The problem is we don’t want to have to deal with the growing pains..
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
by Wmillion on Dec 21, 2008 10:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You can't compare their numbers yet
Is that Aikman’s career numbers or his numbers from the first 3 years in the league. And by accurate, I meant that he could always put the ball EXACTLY where it need to be. Romo can’t do that.
Second, I watched Aikman get better every year his first years in the league. And Aikman didn’t have the benefit of sitting on the bench for 3 years. He gotten thrown in immediately. I have seen Romo plateau from last year
By the way, I wonder how their fumble and INT numbers compare after their first 3 years.
by Philosopher on Dec 21, 2008 10:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
any chance those memories of Troy haven't gotten sweeter with time?
Duane Thomas, Calvin Hill, Tony Dorsett, Emmitt Smith ... and now BOTH Marion Barber and Felix Jones
by DalaiLuke on Dec 21, 2008 10:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You should really go and look at Aikmans 1st 3 seasons
http://www.nfl.com/players/troyaikman/careerstats?id=AIK553722
1st yr 9 tds 18 ints
2nd yr 11tds 18 ints
3rd yr 11tds 10 ints
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
by Wmillion on Dec 21, 2008 10:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Aikman had no talent around and certainly no offensve line in frront of him
The cowboys were in a rebuilding mode, Jimmy completely gutted the team to rebiuld it. The eagles were teeing off on Aikman, probably took three years off of Aikmans career because of those beatings, and believe me, they were beatings…….but you could see Aikman grow as a Quarterback.
by Deke on Dec 21, 2008 11:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So
Romo doesn’t get time to grow like every other qb?
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
by Wmillion on Dec 21, 2008 11:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Romo sat for three years learning
had a ready made team on the field and weapons to work with when he came in. Aikman had no talent around him and was thrown in year one and took an absolute beating week in and week out, I thought after the first year he would never make it through the second season.
Romo isn’t in the same sentence as Aikman talent wise…
by Deke on Dec 21, 2008 11:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Romo isn’t in the same sentence as Aikman talent wise…
EXCUSE ME IF I TAKE EXCEPTION …
Aikman looked great with a good line – like most good QBs do. In his later years, he started looking pedestrian again… and yet Romo isn’t in his league? Words like myopic and blinders come to mind.
Duane Thomas, Calvin Hill, Tony Dorsett, Emmitt Smith ... and now BOTH Marion Barber and Felix Jones
by DalaiLuke on Dec 22, 2008 10:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So Romo's still more accurate than Aikman?
Can we finally put the whole "Romo being just as accurate as Aikman" fallacy to bed? Yeah, technically, Romo’s career completion percentage (so far) is better than Aikman’s and yes Romo has a more aggressive attacking down the field style, but that’s not really the entire definition of accuracy for me. I certainly don’t recall Aikman being notorious for missing as many passes to open targets like the one Romo missed to Austin Saturday Night and he’s been missing those all year way before his back got hurt. Rarely missing an open receiver; especially one who has a sure touchdown against a stingy defense is the definition of pure accuracy.
Also, bush league stuff like bringing up Aikman’s numbers in his 1st and 2nd year as a starter and comparing them to Romo’s numbers is a joke without providing any kind of context at all.
by MadMick on Dec 22, 2008 4:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Easy to remember
All that is great with Aikman when his best years 10 years ago.. He has 3 super bowls, but stats don’t lie.
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
by Wmillion on Dec 22, 2008 11:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
aikman's accuracy
i met a guy who went to college with rob moore and was still tight with him. he went off on how after moore played w/troy at the pro bowl one year all he could talk about was troy. he said he thing about troy that stat’s didnt capture was how accurate his passes were. he said other qb’s complete a pass over the middle to you, but with troy it was perfect in stride, right on the face mask. not only was it a completion but it protected the wr from getting hit and made it easy to run with it.
my only point here is that there are two levels of accuracy. completion % which has all sorts of variables, and ability to put a pass where you want it. i think troy is as good as anyone ever at the latter.
by 325424 on Dec 22, 2008 12:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree 100%
As much as you guys think I love Romo, I was even a bigger Aikman fan back in the day.
Used to argue with one SF fan hours on end that Aikman was better than Young and more accurate.
I too never saw a more accurate passer than Troy and probably never will. In my mind, he is the qb all qbs should be judged by.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Dec 22, 2008 2:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
When they were winning, he had good numbers.
TDs/INTs: 92 – 23/14 regular season, 8/0 postseason; 93 – 15/6 regular season, 5/3 postseason; 95 – 16/7 regular season, 4/1 postseason.
When he retired, he held the Super Bowl record for highest career completion mark at 70% and had the second lowest ratio of passes intercepted at 1.25%. He won 11 of his first 13 playoffs games, including three Super Bowls in four seasons.
But I’m not trying to turn Romo into Aikman, or even compare them, except for wins and losses. I think he was definitely an elite playoff QB, though.
by Baked Potato Soup on Dec 21, 2008 9:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
bus drivers aren't elite qbs
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Dec 21, 2008 9:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"Bus Driver" is not a clearly defined moniker.
As evidenced above, some feel Aikman was a bus driver. I consider him elite. Some would call Joe Montana a bus driver due to the offense he played. Again, I consider him elite. I think a QB that can consistently move the chains and not turn the ball over is elite. I guess it’s a difference of opinion.
by Baked Potato Soup on Dec 21, 2008 9:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
bus drivers aren't playmakers
and you need a playmaking qb to win the SB
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Dec 21, 2008 10:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
so you admit
Eli Manning’s a playmaking QB?
by cjmulrain on Dec 22, 2008 2:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
fair enough
and for what it’s worth, I think Romo is too. But one more question: does that mean Brad Johnson is too?
by cjmulrain on Dec 22, 2008 8:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
obviously not
but Brad Johnson as well as guys like Trent Dilfer and Jim McMahn had absolutely great defenses, among the best to ever take the field.
Unless you have that kind of defense, you’re qb needs to be a playmaker and produce points when needed.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Dec 22, 2008 8:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Aikman
165 TD’s, 141 Int’s.. Aikman turned the ball over..
If we want to look like the 90’s Cowboys then we need to run the ball a lot more.. Time to ride the “People’s choice” like we rode Emmitt..
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
by Wmillion on Dec 21, 2008 10:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
well
i would rather have a bus driver with a superbowl ring than an elite qb without one
by 325424 on Dec 21, 2008 9:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Then
You are talking about the overall team, not the qb..
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
by Wmillion on Dec 21, 2008 10:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
STATS don't win SBs!!!!!
Ask Marino!!
by Doomsday on Dec 21, 2008 11:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
neither do qbs
teams win SBs
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Dec 22, 2008 7:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
thats my point.
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
by Wmillion on Dec 22, 2008 11:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Aikman was anything but a bus driver in the playoffs.
Or maybe “Bus Driver” is just a very poorly defined bogus term people bring up because it backs up their viewpoint without having to point out any facts.
And besides if any hotshot Hall-Of-Famer QB can put up sick numbers and rack up win after win in the playoffs just because they have all the fabulous toys to work with; what was Peyton Manning’s excuse all those years he had Harrison and Edgerrin James at his disposal?
From ‘92-’95, in the playoffs, Aikman completed 68.2% of his passes, averaging 265 yards per game with a 21-8 TD/INT ratio. If you’re going to be a slave to numbers, don’t only slave to the ones that back up your position. Go find Jim Kelly’s playoff numbers (who had just as many fabulous toys and Thurman Thomas who was actually a more versatile back than Emmitt) from ‘90-’93 and tell me how favorably Aikman compares to him.
by MadMick on Dec 22, 2008 4:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
agreed, Aikman was never a bus driver
Aikman was as big of a playmaking qb as there ever was in the game, but he knew if he handed off to the greatest rb of all time, we would win.
Romo doesn’t have that luxury.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Dec 22, 2008 7:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
bus driver
I don’t think he was a bus driver, but when you step back and look at the stats they are very bus driver-like..
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
by Wmillion on Dec 22, 2008 11:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
thats because he was handing off
to the leading rusher in NFL history. There are only so many yards and TDs a team can score each game and season, and Aikman was selfless enough to know Smith getting the stats meant him getting the rings.
That being said, without Smith, he would have less rings but his stats would be on par with any qbs. He could sling the pill with any of them.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Dec 22, 2008 2:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And sometimes a bus driver won’t get it done…
Comparing Aikman to Romo just doesn’t work for me. Two very different football teams. A lot of people complain on here about how we should run the ball 80% and waist all the talent we have at receiver. But as good as this Cowboys running game might be it doesn’t even compare to the running game Troy had in Emitt’s hey day. Not too mention that Troy had Norv Turner in his prime calling the plays while Romo has Garrett, (who does not compare to the Norv of the early 90’s when it comes to game time adjustments)
That team used set up the pass and play action w/ the run. This team is most successful when they do the opposite and set up the run and the draw with the pass. That team also had one of if the not the best offensive line in the history of the game. The jury is still out on this team.
If the Cowboys came out and starting running some formations that opposing defenses had not seen from them before, then Romo would start lighting them up. Ray Lewis laughed at our offense before this game because he said it was the simplest thing they had seen all year. Football more than anything is a chess match and Romo’s OC is just not doing the job as of late to put him into the best position to succeed.
0 = The number of Super Bowls the Eagles have won.
by gee-roj on Dec 22, 2008 9:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh he cares!
I don’t question that a bit. I question his ability to learn from his mistakes though…..
by Philosopher on Dec 21, 2008 8:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he's a little thick? I wish when he tried to yell at other players I knew it affected them.
We're down but not out. Keep the faith.
by Captain Comeback on Dec 21, 2008 8:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
silly statement
nobody in the league prepares or takes the game more serious than Romo.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Dec 21, 2008 9:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
because if he didn't
he’d be out of the league by now. He’s an undrafted free agent for crying out loud, those guys have to work twice as hard as the pedigree qbs.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Dec 21, 2008 9:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
a better answer is that he's the football equivalent of a "gym rat"
Romo works as hard as anyone on the team. He puts in extra hours both off-season and throughout the year. That is well documented.
Duane Thomas, Calvin Hill, Tony Dorsett, Emmitt Smith ... and now BOTH Marion Barber and Felix Jones
by DalaiLuke on Dec 21, 2008 9:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i think the comment
“nobody in the league” drew derision.
just a crazy statement
by 325424 on Dec 21, 2008 9:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nobody?
So he prepare more than Brees? More than Brady? More than Manning or Roethlisberger?
And how would you know this?
by Philosopher on Dec 21, 2008 10:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Even sillier statement!
He cared so much he went to Mexico last year. Silly, Terry, Silly.
We're down but not out. Keep the faith.
by Captain Comeback on Dec 22, 2008 9:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
going to Mexico had absolutely nothing to do
with anything and you believe that BS considered yourself sucked.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Dec 22, 2008 9:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Raf can you do us a favor?
Can you change your icon? A lot of Bloggers have that "Barak O’Bama look a like. Sometimes I see that icon and think it’s your post then I realize it’s some Hack’s. Pick something cool, like Hollywood Henderson with his pimp hat on.
Thanks!
We're down but not out. Keep the faith.
by Captain Comeback on Dec 21, 2008 8:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Now that's funny!
If you find the link for a photo of that, I might just use it.
by Rafael Vela on Dec 23, 2008 12:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
can we retire the phrase "GUNSLINGER"
from what i can tell a Gunslinger is a QB who throws for a lot of yards and a lot of interceptions.
the whole young Brett Favre thing is getting old.
i would rather have an Aikman or a Montana or a Phil Simms some QB who comes up big in the playoffs (like Eli)
Yes the line stunk last night, but Romo through two very easily avoidable INT’s last night. The kid needs to learn to throw the ball out of bounds.
by 325424 on Dec 21, 2008 8:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and if the defense had been able to hold...
if Hamlin holds on to that fumble, would you be singing Romo’s praises today for the things he did right?
Duane Thomas, Calvin Hill, Tony Dorsett, Emmitt Smith ... and now BOTH Marion Barber and Felix Jones
by DalaiLuke on Dec 21, 2008 8:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
nope
i think he played a pretty lousy game.
i think DWare has stepped up and he is our best big game player. whenever the offense stumbles he just will something to happen. it’s amazing.
by 325424 on Dec 21, 2008 8:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely, while still bitching about what he did wrong.
If they had managed to pull that game out, I would have been saying how awesome Romo was to lead the comeback, but wishing that he could play like that the whole game instead of 1/2 a quarter.
by Baked Potato Soup on Dec 21, 2008 9:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That second INT
right before the half that led to the Ravens getting 3 and taking the lead (which they never relinquished) was a killer. That is the stuff that drives me crazy about Romo. You don’t throw that ball up for anyone to grab against a secondary like the Ravens have. Did he not watch any film on these guys?
Romo and ball security…..
by Philosopher on Dec 21, 2008 8:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
but your missing the bigger point
he is a GUNSLINGER and he has fun out there.
so what if he creates turnovers.
the kid needs discipline. if Parcells were here reaming him out he would be a better player.
by 325424 on Dec 21, 2008 8:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Are there?
Any examples of gunslinger who changed?
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
by Wmillion on Dec 21, 2008 8:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly
I think the McBriar injury was and is huge still. They miss him badly.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by what_the_crap on Dec 21, 2008 7:51 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
yea
paulescu is awful
Superbowl or Bust?
by MrMinority on Dec 21, 2008 7:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If I have Steve Smith on my fantasy team...
Do I get credit when the Giants receiver of the same name makes a catch?
Duane Thomas, Calvin Hill, Tony Dorsett, Emmitt Smith ... and now BOTH Marion Barber and Felix Jones
by DalaiLuke on Dec 21, 2008 7:58 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Jacobs
TD …. just clinched my title, i think!!! thanks Brandon!!
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by what_the_crap on Dec 21, 2008 7:58 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
and my wife
will be thanking you when she gets her new Coach purse out of it!!
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by what_the_crap on Dec 21, 2008 7:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Helpful Hint
This is F’d up that we are talking about purses on this site but here’s a helpful hint. I got my wife a Coach purse for Christmas too. Go to the store and when a sales person comes over them your wife loves the purse but it’s a little out of your league. The woman offered me a 25% off discount coupon as long a s I didn’t tell anybody. Who knows maybe it will work for you.
Ok, Back to football. Go Boys!
We're down but not out. Keep the faith.
by Captain Comeback on Dec 21, 2008 8:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Let's See
How Panther’s Defense adjusts to that garbage dink and donk stuff.
by joey7289 on Dec 21, 2008 8:00 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
panthers scored again
14-10
deangelo williams 2nd td
thank you man..cuz my opponent in the fantasy championship has jake delhomme so this is taking points away from him
whoooo
Superbowl or Bust?
by MrMinority on Dec 21, 2008 8:10 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Biggest TD of the year!
I know he hasn’t been much since we got ’em but the biggest TD of the year certainly goes to Roy. The TD at the end of the half from “Rag Arm” won that game for us. If not for the win against Tampa we would all be in an ugly place right now.
We're down but not out. Keep the faith.
by Captain Comeback on Dec 21, 2008 8:15 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
yea
brad has no arm and thus can throw a fade effectively
romo isn’t too good at that
he’s great at the back shoulder throw but needs to work on the fade
they tried it twice i think to roy but they went 3 wide with roy all the way to the right with someone in the slot next to him
they need to put roy on the left alone and it brings down the distance needed so romo doesnt have to over throw and just put it high for roy to get it
hopefully this will all be worked out in training camp next year
Superbowl or Bust?
by MrMinority on Dec 21, 2008 8:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Steve Smith
is the best player in football. He’s just amazing.
by Joey2zs on Dec 21, 2008 8:21 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
yess
the panthers are up 21-10
and deangelo williams got his 3rd td
thank god for that tom coughlin challenge cuz it took a td pass away from delhomme
whoo its lookin good for me in fantasy
Superbowl or Bust?
by MrMinority on Dec 21, 2008 8:25 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
giants
are looking pretty bad so far
i think the panthers have scored a td on every drive
Superbowl or Bust?
by MrMinority on Dec 21, 2008 8:30 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
SUNDAY NIGHT GAME
PFT reports it will be Chargers v. Broncos.
by Philosopher on Dec 21, 2008 8:47 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Makes sense, sort of.
Winner wins the division. I’m not sure of the fan bases, though. Seems like they would get better ratings from NYJ vs. Miami, which is also winner takes division, I think. Or maybe the Pats win if Miami loses.
by Baked Potato Soup on Dec 21, 2008 8:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yes, Pats win if Miami loses...
The only true “playoff game” … win and you’re in, is this SD – Denver game
Duane Thomas, Calvin Hill, Tony Dorsett, Emmitt Smith ... and now BOTH Marion Barber and Felix Jones
by DalaiLuke on Dec 21, 2008 8:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
chargers have a huge fanbase
Superbowl or Bust?
by MrMinority on Dec 21, 2008 8:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm hoping the Eagles will be too concerned scoreboard watching the Raiders/Bucs game than to pay close attention to focusing on their own game.
Probably won’t happen, but wishful thinking.
by DieSlowKeyshawn on Dec 21, 2008 8:56 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I wonder if FOX then moves the philly game to a 4:00pm EST start
instead of 1PM EST as its scheduled now
by Deke on Dec 21, 2008 9:02 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
No, there's no reason why they would do that.
What incentive do they have to HELP Dallas?
What incentive do they have to give themselves WORSE ratings, should TB beat Oakland and then have the Philly gave on at 4. Who in the Philly area would watch that game at 4 if they were eliminated from contention?
by DieSlowKeyshawn on Dec 21, 2008 9:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't underestimate their hate for us and their desire to play spoiler
Second to getting in the playoffs, Philly and their fan base would like nothing more than to end our season.
by Philosopher on Dec 21, 2008 9:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I was just thinking that.
I think if they were 1-15 they would play just as hard as if they had a playoff spot on the line, just because it’s the Cowboys.
by Baked Potato Soup on Dec 21, 2008 9:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Again. Not saying the team won't play hard, they'll play hard no matter what.
I’m saying their fans will not watch the game if TB wins. C’mon people, this is Philly we’re talking about! Worst fans in the world!
by DieSlowKeyshawn on Dec 21, 2008 9:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
meaning, the ratings will stink.
by DieSlowKeyshawn on Dec 21, 2008 9:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't underestimate the hate
that Philly fans have for the Cowboys. I live in the area. They will be watching.
by rhbgsherb on Dec 21, 2008 9:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not saying the team will lay down.
But you can’t tell me their fan base will watch a game on TV if they started the day with the possibility of making the playoffs and before their game starts they’d have no chance. It’s deflating to fans, it happened to us 3 years ago, I bet ratings were terrible in Dallas that Sunday night.
by DieSlowKeyshawn on Dec 21, 2008 9:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
it all about the ratings and dollars for the networks
they get higher ratings for the 4EST games, because of the west coast time difference. I wouldn’t be surprised to see the game moved to 4:oo est because of the importance of the game
by Deke on Dec 21, 2008 9:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
wow! did u guys see the tackle on b. jacobs by chris harris?
by Loozeeana_Cowboy on Dec 21, 2008 9:21 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
great game tonight and no game thread, what's up with that!!!
by Deke on Dec 21, 2008 9:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
don't know man - i was in the mood to gab too
by Loozeeana_Cowboy on Dec 21, 2008 9:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
There's an open thread for the Sunday games
in bold letters it says it includes the giants/panthers game, but nobody has decided to chat in there.
by DieSlowKeyshawn on Dec 21, 2008 9:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
too many comments
becomes impossible to post or navigate for me when he gets over 250 comments for some reason
by Deke on Dec 21, 2008 9:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
wow
deangelo williams 4 touchdowns
this is helping me win the fantasy championship soo much
Superbowl or Bust?
by MrMinority on Dec 21, 2008 9:34 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
me too!
i’m up by 24 points….and he has g. jennings tomorrow night. i have jacobs tonight too.
by ButchJohnson on Dec 21, 2008 9:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
The sunday night game next week is the SD/Den game
just announced on NBC
by Deke on Dec 21, 2008 9:45 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
they announced it at halftime and it's been posted on PFT since 8:54pm
by DieSlowKeyshawn on Dec 21, 2008 9:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How exciting
An 8-7 team vs a 7-8 team for worst division winner in the AFC and first loser in the playoffs. You can cut the tension with a knife!
by rhbgsherb on Dec 21, 2008 10:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not to get ahead of ourselves,
but if we make the playoffs as the 6th seed, a Carolina win would help ensure all warm weather games (of course I’m making the assumption that Atlanta can beat the Giants).
by rhbgsherb on Dec 21, 2008 9:54 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
and not to get ahead of ourselves
but if we get out of the first round, i’d rather play carolina in the second round then NYG in the NFC championship before we get sweet revenge on the steelers in Tampa :)
by DieSlowKeyshawn on Dec 21, 2008 9:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I like either of our 1st round match-ups
Vikings… Cardinals… Vikings… Cardinals….
I think you could easily see two wild-card teams make it out of the first round. Neither of these teams scare me right now.
And yes, I’d DEFINITELY like to play Carolina instead of having to go to Giants Stadium in late January.
Duane Thomas, Calvin Hill, Tony Dorsett, Emmitt Smith ... and now BOTH Marion Barber and Felix Jones
by DalaiLuke on Dec 21, 2008 10:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm upset we seem to have lost the 5th seed
because I really wanted us to play Arizona in the first round. They look awful right now and I’d love to get some revenge.
by rhbgsherb on Dec 21, 2008 10:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know. I think I'd rather take my chances with AP (last night not withstanding)
than facing Warner/Boldin/Fitzgerald in warm weather.
by DieSlowKeyshawn on Dec 21, 2008 10:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And Tavaris Jackson at the helm no less.
by DieSlowKeyshawn on Dec 21, 2008 10:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
good point
Minnesota is a lot more predictable. I doubt Pat Williams is back in time..
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
by Wmillion on Dec 21, 2008 10:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
looks like a great finsh in the giant/Panther game
all ted up with just over three minutes left
by Deke on Dec 21, 2008 10:01 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Double clutched it
and pushed it left!
by rhbgsherb on Dec 21, 2008 10:14 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
anyone think if we come out on Sunday and lay and egg Wade get's fired??
Especially knowing we win we are in.
Werd is a Turd......
by Boyzfan94 on Dec 21, 2008 10:14 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
If you believe anything coach JJ says then you'd be inclined to say no, he said regardless of what happens, Wade isn't leaving.
Wade has naked pictures of his wife though.
by DieSlowKeyshawn on Dec 21, 2008 10:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think thats obvious
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Dec 21, 2008 10:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
with all my defense of Wade and Romo, yes
I’ve been defending Wade all year, but that is usually with the mantra: give the guy a chance. Well, this is his chance… and he needs to make it happen. I thought Wade brought the perfect style to follow Parcells. But if he’s unable to finish the job, then I would not be opposed to moving on.
Duane Thomas, Calvin Hill, Tony Dorsett, Emmitt Smith ... and now BOTH Marion Barber and Felix Jones
by DalaiLuke on Dec 21, 2008 10:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Welllll, I'm back in CA after a WONDERFUL first trip ever to Texas Stadium!
It is impossible to think of that game withough ten million unprintable words coming to mind.
It was surrealistic. It was so horrible people were wondering if what they were watching was really happening.
there was a lot of booing, I’ll say that, and deservedly so. How does a team come out at this time of year so iunfocused? the offsides penalties were just one example.
But you are correct, most of you, that it was not Romo’s fault. He had no protection.
Conversely, I haven’t read it here, but OUR pass rush completely disappeared after the 1st qtr. Their guy had ALL DAY to throw when he dropped back, so forget criticizing the 2ndary, there was play after play when he had 5-6 secinds to throw. The Dallas paper said this AM that the Ravens actually kept a GUARD in to help out w/Ware, instead of a TE. Anyone here catch that? Because I wasn’t aware of it during the game.
The thing is, this team is so good, Romo is so good, that they can play like complete CRAP and still be in the game at the end! It’s amazing, but if the D actually tackles, they prob. even win this game.
Whatever.
by Realist Larry on Dec 21, 2008 10:16 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
You did see TB lost today? Win and we're in Sunday, let's put that game in the past!
by DieSlowKeyshawn on Dec 21, 2008 10:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I was there
and it thinking about it just makes me want to puke.
It was mistake-filled from beginning to end.
by Realist Larry on Dec 21, 2008 10:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm starting to believe in the Holmgrem bandwaggon if Wade does leave.
by DieSlowKeyshawn on Dec 21, 2008 10:16 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
He runs a WC style….bad fit
Werd is a Turd......
by Boyzfan94 on Dec 21, 2008 10:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bad fit for who?
TO would love it.
Romo can play with any style.
Our backs have good hands.
What’s the problem here?
by rhbgsherb on Dec 21, 2008 10:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
All the QBs he's coached? Taking Romo under his wing? Bad fit? I don't think so.
TO excelled in the west coast offense. We don’t have the speed burners to go deep anyways.
by DieSlowKeyshawn on Dec 21, 2008 10:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I rather rid ourselves of T.O after the season
and bring in Norv Turner as the offensive coordinator, he would help Romo greatly with decision making and playcalling
by Deke on Dec 21, 2008 10:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
TO is still our bst ofensive player
by aussie_cowboy on Dec 21, 2008 10:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Romo is.
Here we go… Can of worms!
by DieSlowKeyshawn on Dec 21, 2008 10:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I second the Romo vote... nobody else even close second.
(official stirrer of pots)
Duane Thomas, Calvin Hill, Tony Dorsett, Emmitt Smith ... and now BOTH Marion Barber and Felix Jones
by DalaiLuke on Dec 21, 2008 10:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No one is taking TO & his contract
furthermore, if JJ thought there’d be any chance of getting rid of him he wouldn’t have extended him long term before this year. He’s here to stay, like it or not. There’s one solution to keep him quiet…. WIN. Ok, simple enough, WIN! Anyone got a problem with winning? Didn’t think so.
by DieSlowKeyshawn on Dec 21, 2008 10:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think we can without TO
Force us back to basics pounding the football, but Jerry isn’t doing that.. He loves the headache, he will take any publicity..
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
by Wmillion on Dec 21, 2008 10:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Holmgren is taking a year off, so he wont be here next year
an I think he wants a front office job, something along the line of what parcells is doing in miami or a GM job. I dont think he wants a headcoaching job
by Deke on Dec 21, 2008 10:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
no way
He works with Jerry.. He should be the GM of KC or Detroit..
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
by Wmillion on Dec 21, 2008 10:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If I was the owner of the lions
I’d fly to New England, stick a blank check in front of scott pioli and say, write you price on the check for the GM job, then go see Bill cowher and place a blank check in front of him and say, fill it out for the headcoaching job. then place a check in front of Dom Capers and say fill in your price.
The lions would be turned around in two years…
by Deke on Dec 21, 2008 10:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and owner of Lions would be bankrupt
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Dec 22, 2008 7:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
um, he is getting pretty close
or at least he may be, Ford is circling the drain
by 325424 on Dec 22, 2008 12:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
D Williams is a beast....Anyone that plays fantasy football and has him
knows he has been money the second half of the season. He won me 800 big ones tonight by winning the championship…..
Werd is a Turd......
by Boyzfan94 on Dec 21, 2008 10:17 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Wade as DC, Norv as OC, and Garret or whoever as head coach.
Just kidding, but a couple of us were throwing that around after the game.
by Realist Larry on Dec 21, 2008 10:17 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah well, unfortunately, a head coach is never demoted to another coaching position on the same club.
by DieSlowKeyshawn on Dec 21, 2008 10:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd love to see Capers take the DC job
Duane Thomas, Calvin Hill, Tony Dorsett, Emmitt Smith ... and now BOTH Marion Barber and Felix Jones
by DalaiLuke on Dec 21, 2008 10:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
shELI is trying to give the game away.
There’s a reason why she’s the interception queen.
by DieSlowKeyshawn on Dec 21, 2008 10:22 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
It was amazing early in the season
when everyone was saying that Eli was an elite QB when he was throwing for 150 yards per game. But now that he has to carry the team, everyone sees the truth.
by rhbgsherb on Dec 21, 2008 10:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
because coaching decisions are now the reason why defensive players miss tackles?
by DieSlowKeyshawn on Dec 21, 2008 10:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll get on Wade if he deserves it, he's had the defense playing elite, nothing he can do about missed tackles.
Yet everybody has been screaming fire Wade after last night’s debacle.
by DieSlowKeyshawn on Dec 21, 2008 10:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
My take...
…is that everyone wants Wade fired because this team isn’t mentally strong, which is a reflection of the coach (in my opinion).
by rhbgsherb on Dec 21, 2008 10:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess Wade told Hamlin to make a pathetic attempt at Mcgahee's ankle.
by DieSlowKeyshawn on Dec 21, 2008 10:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
no, but he did put everyone in the box
by cdiede on Dec 21, 2008 10:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why is Eli throwing the ball?
he’s trying to give the game away. Just pound it and kick it.
by DieSlowKeyshawn on Dec 21, 2008 10:28 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
HUGE win for the gints
Duane Thomas, Calvin Hill, Tony Dorsett, Emmitt Smith ... and now BOTH Marion Barber and Felix Jones
by DalaiLuke on Dec 21, 2008 10:31 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
as I said earlier
we’re not going to see any great defenses in the NFC, both of their defenses stunk tonight
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Dec 21, 2008 10:34 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
how many turnovers in this game by the Qb
by Deke on Dec 21, 2008 10:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and how many turnovers
no turnovers, and two penalties for each team, and you wonder why the cowboy lose games
by Deke on Dec 21, 2008 10:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
we are sloppy
We are like an all star team, who had one practice together, no cohesiveness.. Where are the timing routes? I can’t remember the last time I saw Romo throw a 7-10 yd pass as wr is coming out of his break?
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
by Wmillion on Dec 21, 2008 10:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I knew throwing in RW
mid season would disrupt the offensive chemistry, that trade was unnecessary.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Dec 22, 2008 7:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It shouldn't though
I don’t think Roy Williams is the problem, it is about Protection..
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
by Wmillion on Dec 22, 2008 11:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The only problem with RW is that he is injured
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Dec 22, 2008 5:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
g'night all... congrats to Gints - maybe I will get to see the Boys in NYC?
Duane Thomas, Calvin Hill, Tony Dorsett, Emmitt Smith ... and now BOTH Marion Barber and Felix Jones
by DalaiLuke on Dec 21, 2008 10:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I would love
To see the Giants again in the playoffs…get revenge for last year…
by joey7289 on Dec 21, 2008 10:49 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I would
love to see them win a playoff game against anyone.
by GunsUp on Dec 21, 2008 10:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I know
I just don’t want to sound like a smart alec since I haven’t been here long.
by GunsUp on Dec 21, 2008 11:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
hahaah
it’s cool man, I understand were your coming from, frankly I just hope we get it…but i got faith in the boys
by joey7289 on Dec 21, 2008 11:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I pray you are right
My thoughts on the Cowboys have run in so many circles this season, I swore the the Tuna was running the show again.
by GunsUp on Dec 21, 2008 11:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for a little clarity, Rafael
It was sorely needed after a late, frustrating Saturday night searching for answers.
by Urinal Mint on Dec 22, 2008 7:26 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
As usual, I enjoyed your article, but I had some issues with this passage:
"And Davis’ liabilities go beyond coverage. He was an embarrassment on Baltimore’s two long TD runs that iced the game. On Willis McGahee’s run Davis had a clean shot at the RB but hesitated, took a poor angle to the ball and tripped over Zach Thomas’ feet, taking himself out of the play.
On La’Ron McClain’s 82 yard romp Davis again made a weak run at the ballcarrier, and whiffed diving for McClain’s ankles."
Calling out a third string strong safety that is playing through a grade III knee strain for missing tackles on two big runs seems a little off target. There are 10 other guys on the field wearing a star, and unless the Ravens happened to have the perfect play called against the run blitz that Phillips called (which I do not believe was the case on BOTH plays), a linebacker should have made the play. Where was James, Thomas, Spencer (on the second run he was being shrugged off by McClain in the backfield), or Ellis? How about Spears, Ratliff or Ferguson; where were they?
While Davis (and Hamlin for that matter) should have made the play to limit the damage to but a first down, instead of two of the longest touchdown runs ever allowed in Texas Stadium, those two plays showed a lack of execution from the defensive line: a unit that you have called out on more than one occassion. The defensive and offensive lines cost Dallas that game, a chance to celebrate the closing of Texas Stadium appropriately, and the possibility to rest some injured veterans this week with the Wild Card spot securely in hand.
With the success that this scouting department had last season finding running backs and cornerbacks, I hope that offensive and defensive lines are targetted this off-season. The Cowboys are only as good as their lines: nothing has changed since 1995.
by ScarletO on Dec 22, 2008 1:55 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
He's on the field,
Baltimore ran iso plays both times. They had seven blocker. Dallas has seven linemen and linebackers.
Each engaged his man.
Davis had a free shot on both plays. It’s his job to make plays.
Dallas doesn’t get to play 12 defensive players because one of them is an “undrafted free agent with a third-degree knee sprain.”
When the play comes directly at you, it’s your job to make the tackle. Ken Hamlin missed on both plays too, but Davis was closer and Davis missed both.
It’s a one-on-one tackle in the hole on one of the simplest plays in the book.
It’s not like Dallas asked him to cover Randy Moss one-on-one.
by Rafael Vela on Dec 23, 2008 1:01 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for responding. I do not disagree that Davis should have made either play. Missing a tackle in the hole twice as a safety is awful. Considering that Davis’ role on special teams is to zero-in on the ball carrier and make a tackle, it is odd that he blew it twice doing pretty much the same thing.
Regardless, the Ravens ran iso plays and locked on to the linebackers and linemen on both plays. That means that there were 7 Dallas defenders that did not shed their man-on-man blocks twice. I realize that a player must make a play when they have a clean shot on the ball carrier like Davis had twice with 3:50 to play in the game, but not ONE defensive lineman or linebacker could play off of a block against an average offensive lineman on two straight plays? Is not that their (the front seven) job?
The linemen and linebackers should be to blame as much as the strong safety. After all, the Ravens ran several iso plays throughout the game that were disrupted earlier. It cannot be the defensive scheme to rely on the strong safety to come up to make the tackle 7-8 yards downfield.
The safety is the last line of defense. He needs to make tackles to prevent 77 and 82 yard runs. A safety, however, is not usually the first line of defense, which means that more often than not, when a safety makes a play, someone else did not. By the way, those two runs were the second and third runs of over 40 yards this season.
Plenty of blame to go around. Still agree with your thought, however, that Dallas should address the safety position in the off-season.
by ScarletO on Dec 23, 2008 3:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Upon further review:
On McGahee’s 77-yard run, the Ravens doubled Marcus Spears at the snap with the center and the guard. Spears, despite being named a stout run defender got pushed about six yards of of the line of scrimmage. Then the guard went off of the double team and crushed Zack Thomas.
No defensive lineman or linebacker got any penetration, and since Spears was completely blown off of the ball, a gaping hole existed in the middle of the line. Both Hamlin and Davis took terrible angles (much like Hamlin and Roy Williams did last season on Ryan Grant’s long touchdown run in Dallas) on the play.
While the safeties blew it, it seems that the original problem was that Spears could not hold down the point of attack. Perhaps this is an argument for a 340-pound nose tackle like traditional 3-4 defenses employ.
by ScarletO on Dec 23, 2008 7:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

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