Sunday games open thread
by Dave Halprin on Dec 21, 2008 11:45 AM CST
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PrintIt's difficult to even contemplate watching NFL football today after what transpired last night at Texas Stadium. But, for those of you who are like me and still want to desperately make the playoffs, there are a couple of very important games happening this Sunday.
From what I can gather we are rooting hard for the Vikings to beat the Falcons and for the Chargers to beat the Bucs.
This is an open thread for the Sunday games, including the night game which features the big showdown between the Giants and the Panthers.
Playoff scenarios:
If the Falcons lose today, they can't match us on conference record which is the second tie-breaker and we would get in as long as we win next week.
If the Bucs lose today, the best they could do is tie us for overall record and we own the head-to-head tiebreaker over them, the first tie-breaking criteria as long as we win next week.
It doesn't matter what the Eagles do today, if we beat them next week, we end up with a better overall record.
It doesn't matter what the Bears do today because if we win next week we have the better overall conference record.
If any of that is wrong, let me know and I'll update it.
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No one is giving SD a chance, but Garcia is fresh off injury and Rivers will play well.
Week 16 and LT is STILL due to break out.
If that fails at 1pm, All day AP will run all over those falcons at home at 4pm!!!
WE’RE GETTING IN!!!
by DieSlowKeyshawn on Dec 21, 2008 11:52 AM CST reply actions
The Chargers barely beat Kansas city last week at home
and west teams coming east are complete dogs, SD has nothing to play for and tampa has everything to plays for, I like Tampa
The best bet is Minn to beat the falcons
if san diego wins today
and denver loses today against the bills (yea i know they suck)
but then next week denver and san diego play for the division
and if an 8-8 teams win a division and gets in the playoffs than something is seriously wrong with the nfl
Superbowl or Bust?
Dallas did that
In 1999. We went 8-8, won the East, then lost to the Cardinals in the first round of the playoffs.
by Philosopher on Dec 21, 2008 12:01 PM CST up reply actions
Don't Forget
If the Chargers get to 8-8 and win the division they are only 8-8 because Ed Hochuli stole a win from them against Denver in week two.
I’m rooting for them to get the chance. If they lose next week, they lose, but they should get the chance to play for it. Buffalo has fought for a half and is only down three, so Norv’s guys are still alive.
i have a feeling
san diego will win and so will minnesota
i also would like the skins to win but idk
as long as tampa and atl both lose then we can still beat the eagles and get in
if we do get in to the playoffs i dont see us getting far if we cant beat good teams
so lets just concentrate on getting in the playoffs first and then actually win the first game before anything else
Superbowl or Bust?
correct
You are right Dave, but ESPN is confusing everyone because they are reporting that the Cowboys must win and the Bucs must lose BOTH games and the Falcons must lose one game.
It’s just ridiculous how awful that network is.
thelandryhat.com New Coach, Same America's Team
Well
Tampa must lose for us to ge tin over them, but if Atlanta loses that means nothing.
by joey7289 on Dec 21, 2008 12:08 PM CST up reply actions
No, If tampa wins they'll get the 5 seed.
If Atlanta loses they’ll be tied with us again, we’ll have the tiebreaker over Atlanta. We have the tiebreaker over Chicago (if they win) and it’ll come down to us vs. Philly for the 6th seed.
Like I said, we only need ATL OR SD to lose today, not both.
by DieSlowKeyshawn on Dec 21, 2008 12:11 PM CST up reply actions
I don't think this is right, according to NFL.com
http://www.nfl.com/standings/tiebreakingprocedures
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Apply division tie breaker to eliminate all but the highest ranked club in each division prior to proceeding to step 2. The original seeding within a division upon application of the division tie breaker remains the same for all subsequent applications of the procedure that are necessary to identify the two Wild-Card participants.
Head-to-head sweep. (Applicable only if one club has defeated each of the others or if one club has lost to each of the others.)
Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games, minimum of four.
———————
If we end up tied with TB AND CHI, then our head-to-head win over TB no longer breaks the tie. So, we need either an ATL loss OR a TB AND CHI loss.
by mikedallas45 on Dec 21, 2008 1:49 PM CST up reply actions
I don't even want to think about it
Last night’s loss feels like a playoff loss. Come this time of year. ever year for a long time, they are such a disappointment.
wow
miami already scored on some wildcat crap
i mean even if we’re good enough to not use cheap crap like the wildcat formation
but we should try it once or twice, like give crayton a shot on a reverse to throw a pass
Superbowl or Bust?
We
Ran the option last night…i like it as much as the next guy…but it didn’t work.
by joey7289 on Dec 21, 2008 12:10 PM CST up reply actions
SCENARIO
Cowboys Must Beat Eagles Week 17
Falcons Must Lose 1 of Last 2 Games
Or
Buccaneers Must Lose Last 2 Games
by joey7289 on Dec 21, 2008 12:10 PM CST reply actions
we don't need them to lose 2, only 1 and we need to beat the Eagles
by DieSlowKeyshawn on Dec 21, 2008 12:13 PM CST up reply actions
We need them to lose one
If we want the 5 seed
by joey7289 on Dec 21, 2008 12:14 PM CST up reply actions
I don't care about seeding
Just want to get in.
by DieSlowKeyshawn on Dec 21, 2008 12:16 PM CST up reply actions
Agreed
I don’t know, I see what your saying, I’ll look it up some more.
by joey7289 on Dec 21, 2008 12:17 PM CST up reply actions
Right now Arizona is the weakest of the 3 and 4 seeds.
Tarvaris Jackson is coming down to earth but Peterson could go off at any time.
Arizona’s defense has collapsed the last month.
Just get in. I’ll take my chances against either of those teams.
Atl plays the Rams next week at home
Rams aren’t winning that one. Today against the Vikings is the game we want Atl to lose
Dude, again, not true.
If TB loses one of their last two they are tied with us, and we have the head-to-head tie breaker over them.
Where do you guys keep coming up with these cochamonie scenarios? LOL
by DieSlowKeyshawn on Dec 21, 2008 12:13 PM CST up reply actions
We need
Tampa to lose two if Atlanta would win out.
by joey7289 on Dec 21, 2008 12:14 PM CST up reply actions
Dude, tampa is 9-5, we're 9-6
If they lose 1 game today, they’ll be 9-6. If TB wins next week they’ll be 10-6. If we win next week we’ll be 10-6.
WE HAVE THE HEAD TO HEAD TIEBREAKER!!!
Simple enough???
by DieSlowKeyshawn on Dec 21, 2008 12:15 PM CST up reply actions
well
Apparntly it’s not because they must own something over us…this is what I read.
by joey7289 on Dec 21, 2008 12:16 PM CST up reply actions
Lol... ESPN reported some false info on their pregame show today.
Just look at the standings and look at the wild card tiebreakers. Your scenario would be correct if Atlanta was going to win the division by winning out, but Carolina has already clinched it. Trust.
by DieSlowKeyshawn on Dec 21, 2008 12:17 PM CST up reply actions
Hmmm
Yeah your right, I don’t know that is what NFL Network posted last night.
by joey7289 on Dec 21, 2008 12:17 PM CST up reply actions
Carolina
Only clinched a playoff spot, not the division.
by joey7289 on Dec 21, 2008 12:18 PM CST up reply actions
So your scenario with Atlanta would be true IF Carolina losses out, right?
Not happenin’
by DieSlowKeyshawn on Dec 21, 2008 12:19 PM CST up reply actions
To Bbe hoenst
I don’t know…i saw it on NFL Network
by joey7289 on Dec 21, 2008 12:20 PM CST up reply actions
You are dead wrong.
If Tampa and Dallas both win next week and go to 10-6, they have the tiebreaker.
Cannons... fire them.
www.BucEm.com - SBNation's home for discussion of all things regarding the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
Dallas has the tiebreaker, that is.
Cannons... fire them.
www.BucEm.com - SBNation's home for discussion of all things regarding the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
We
established that about an hour ago lol I was wrong and am aware of my mistake haha
by joey7289 on Dec 21, 2008 5:36 PM CST up reply actions
word
It might have been said above, but I’m coming down off my binge following the charger fiasco and didn’t bother reading above.
Cannons... fire them.
www.BucEm.com - SBNation's home for discussion of all things regarding the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
Who cares about Miami...
SD in the red zone!
by DieSlowKeyshawn on Dec 21, 2008 12:19 PM CST reply actions
me too, miami-kc has no significance on our game.
Only games Cowboys fans should be watching and cheering about are the Chargers and Vikings for wins.
by DieSlowKeyshawn on Dec 21, 2008 12:21 PM CST up reply actions
Sorry, I just figured that everyone on the blog has access to an online scoreboard and thought
the open thread was more for discussions than scoreboard updates, but do your thing…
by DieSlowKeyshawn on Dec 21, 2008 12:31 PM CST up reply actions
In the grand scheme of things, does anyone really give a big rat's ass?
If we do make the playoffs, we still have Wade/Garrett and their minions of underachievers calling the plays; Romo at QB giving up a minimum 2 picks per game; and dissention in the locker room.
Wharter
Well you give a "big rat's ass"
otherwise you wouldn’t be blogging on a sunday afternoon.
by DieSlowKeyshawn on Dec 21, 2008 12:23 PM CST up reply actions
I doesn't really matter if the cowboys get a playoff spot because they aren't going anywhere anyways
but I’m a football fan period and I watch all the games whether they have somethnig to do with the cowboys or not
great outlook
even though ur probably right …still thats a horrible attitude to have….just remember what defesne they went up against
I put my pom poms and my rose colored glasses down years ago
This team makes too many penalties, and to many mistakes to win in the playoffs.
yes i give a sht
if u get in u play arizona or minn most likely…
This may be the most ridiculous post I've ever read on BTB
pathetic
Duane Thomas, Calvin Hill, Tony Dorsett, Emmitt Smith ... and now BOTH Marion Barber and Felix Jones
NE needs help for them to get in
Baltimore win last night really put a lump of coal in their stocking last night
It's snowing in Foxboro
First game for ARI in the snow in 25 years
Cowboys fan since 1978.. I was 3 years old
Yeah
I got it on too lol, them throwing the snow balls were awesome.
by joey7289 on Dec 21, 2008 12:32 PM CST up reply actions
no excuse
we played in crap weather in pitt and almost won
yet we lost
the cards are in a tailspin if they lose today they could be easily 1 and done in the playoffs
and we should’ve beat them at home when we played them but our special teams lost us that game
Superbowl or Bust?
would a, could a, should a
The fact is, we didn’t win when we had a chance. Almost only counts in horse shoe
First post of this thread I said LT would break out today
he’s off to a great start.
by DieSlowKeyshawn on Dec 21, 2008 12:32 PM CST reply actions
so 58 total yards after 1qtr looks like he's off to a good start no?
on pace for 200+ total yards.
by DieSlowKeyshawn on Dec 21, 2008 12:36 PM CST up reply actions
i'm sorry, but
i’m kinda superstitious. 0-3 in last 3 games Pacman has played.
Just bench him next week for something…
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
no
bench henry for pacman or let henry play safety on certain packages and hamlin at ss
pacman had a great return on the last kickoff
we just need to work on the intermediate stuff for the secondary
Superbowl or Bust?
he's been our best DB in terms of pass break ups and tackles this year
and he’s missed 5 games? yeah lets cut him!!
by DieSlowKeyshawn on Dec 21, 2008 12:38 PM CST up reply actions
I just about gave up last night
but coming here and reading everthing you guys are writing kind of eases the PAIN. Like I said last night, the worst part of the game was leaving my house (67 inch beast HDTV) to go to some bar. Not only that I had the pleasure to sit next some dumb a$$ Cowboy hater the whole game. It’s not like he was a Raven fan worst he was an Eagles fan from TEXAS? That’s why I invested in a TV like that, so I wouldn’t have listen to those idiots!
So very sad
but with the way Washington wants to rape us with their freaking bailout crap, I feel no sympathy for anything or anyone in Detroit
by dcfansinceiwasababy on Dec 21, 2008 12:39 PM CST reply actions
TB losing to Oak next week is not likely
and I think it’s a home game for them.
Werd is a Turd......
I don't like Rivers
with his attitude, but I’m his biggest fan today!!!
by dcfansinceiwasababy on Dec 21, 2008 12:40 PM CST reply actions
he's been a top 5 rated QB all season
by DieSlowKeyshawn on Dec 21, 2008 12:42 PM CST up reply actions
technically
he’s #1
and was #2 for a week until romo played pitt and dropped down
Superbowl or Bust?
cool
what’s that cost? i’m gonna be switching back to sat soon
by dcfansinceiwasababy on Dec 21, 2008 12:43 PM CST reply actions
I got it for 275 this year for being a returning customer...
by DieSlowKeyshawn on Dec 21, 2008 12:44 PM CST up reply actions
Not on direct tv it doesn't cost 100 lol
by DieSlowKeyshawn on Dec 21, 2008 12:45 PM CST up reply actions
ooo you must be talking about Superfan, yeah that costs an additional $100
by DieSlowKeyshawn on Dec 21, 2008 12:46 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah
I have the ticket but not all the HD stuff
by joey7289 on Dec 21, 2008 12:47 PM CST up reply actions
not too bad
what’s the reg. price?
by dcfansinceiwasababy on Dec 21, 2008 12:44 PM CST reply actions
Snow Balls
In the pats game are making my day, i might have to go out and do the same.
by joey7289 on Dec 21, 2008 12:48 PM CST reply actions
canty, does garcia look alright
what do you think about his play today?
by dcfansinceiwasababy on Dec 21, 2008 12:48 PM CST reply actions
Not Bad
for a guy who was injured last week
by joey7289 on Dec 21, 2008 12:49 PM CST up reply actions
heard it snewed there recently
be real funny if they have to play in it their first game
by dcfansinceiwasababy on Dec 21, 2008 12:49 PM CST reply actions
Wow, sounds like he's gotta
HOT HAND, GO CHARGERS!!!
by dcfansinceiwasababy on Dec 21, 2008 12:51 PM CST reply actions
Another 30 yard gain for Rivers!
Bucs fan’s booing!!!
by DieSlowKeyshawn on Dec 21, 2008 12:52 PM CST reply actions
Maybe we can watch
the Atlanta game w/o so much gut wrench
by dcfansinceiwasababy on Dec 21, 2008 12:52 PM CST reply actions
That'd be great!
There will still be gut wrench knowing we woulda clinched with a win last night. Oh well, just give us something to play for next Sunday!
by DieSlowKeyshawn on Dec 21, 2008 12:52 PM CST up reply actions
Risky throw...by Rivers, incomplete.
One thing about the Bucs though, they’ve come back from some big deficits this season.
by DieSlowKeyshawn on Dec 21, 2008 12:53 PM CST reply actions
Hafta watch
the freakin Chiefs every damn weekend here in Wichita, and KC is on the MO side. Don’t seem to matter to these nutburgers here. Oh, and get this, the gal serving our food at the sports bar last nite told us that the BROWNS had the biggest fan base at their bar, NOT THE CHIEFS, NOT THE COWBOYS BUT THE FREAKIN BROWNS. Go figure.
by dcfansinceiwasababy on Dec 21, 2008 12:55 PM CST reply actions
I loooooove how NOBODY gave the chargers a chance
all that talk “west coast team going east coast” not on analyst thought they’d play with the bucs, nobody on this board outside of myself. Please. Any given Sunday, mix in Phillip Rivers and LT and tell me a team doesn’t have a chance?
by DieSlowKeyshawn on Dec 21, 2008 12:55 PM CST reply actions
1-16 western teams coming east
what part of that stat is any given sunday. That’s a pretty close to a lock as you can get
Maybe SD is a buck against the norm…. but this game isn’t over yet
You weren't alone, I didn't see anyone giving SD a chance
It’s far from over, but c’mon. Kiffin’s magical defense just gave up a 40 spot to the Falcons 2 weeks ago.
by DieSlowKeyshawn on Dec 21, 2008 12:57 PM CST up reply actions
wow, amazing
what can happen when you’re too confident
by dcfansinceiwasababy on Dec 21, 2008 12:57 PM CST reply actions
Umm, did anyone see that "romolicious" commercial?
by DieSlowKeyshawn on Dec 21, 2008 12:58 PM CST reply actions
It shows a picture of a blone (jessica impersonator) crying with makeup all over her face sitting in her car
and it says “1 win, 13 loses Romolicious” in an advertisement for NFL fantasy football.
by DieSlowKeyshawn on Dec 21, 2008 12:59 PM CST reply actions
any1 think Fox will call the New England game non-competitive by halftime?
that way I can see the frickin Chargers game?
'he nails an open three from the corner....just like you and me, this one was made by penetration' - Truthaboutit - Round 1 Game 5 Recap
depends where you live...
they won’t do it if you’re in NE territory.
by DieSlowKeyshawn on Dec 21, 2008 1:02 PM CST up reply actions
The other reason they won't / can't do it
it’s telvised on CBS. I’m watching it now.
by DieSlowKeyshawn on Dec 21, 2008 1:02 PM CST up reply actions
o hell
aint no way their taking off pitt/ tenn
(live in DC area)
'he nails an open three from the corner....just like you and me, this one was made by penetration' - Truthaboutit - Round 1 Game 5 Recap
Sd takes over field position at the SD 45
by DieSlowKeyshawn on Dec 21, 2008 1:04 PM CST reply actions
Anybody think the Bucs came out with that "sense of urgency"
after seeing Dallas get whooped last night? Thinking they’d walk all over the Chargers…
by DieSlowKeyshawn on Dec 21, 2008 1:05 PM CST reply actions
Why am I allowing myself to have hope?
I want out of this relationship. But I cant leave.
A free man with no honor is a prisoner.
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Dec 21, 2008 1:06 PM CST reply actions
Let me get this right
Dallas: 9-6 (H2H tie breaker over TB & Conf record tie breaker over ATL & Chicago)
TB: 9-5
ATL: 9-5
Chi: 8-6 (best possible finish is 10-6 so we own them if we win)
All of this assumes we win in PHI and TB/ATL win next week:
Scenario #1:
Tampa loses to SD they are 9-6
ATL wins v Min they are 10-6
Boys get the 6th seed
Scenario #2:
Tampa and ATL both lose and end up 9-6
Boys get 5th seed
Scenario #3:
ATL loses go 9-6
Tampa wins go to 10-6
We get 6th seed
Scenario #4
ATL and Tampa win, and we get to start worrying about the college bowl games
Did i miss anything? Because apparently the World Wide Leader of Sports cant figure this out
by CowboyHornedFrogs on Dec 21, 2008 1:06 PM CST reply actions
Dude all you have to know is:
SD losses 1 of last 2
OR
ATL losses 1 of last 2
AND
Boy beat Philly = Playoff berth. Everyone needs to stop overcomplicating this with different scenarios.
by DieSlowKeyshawn on Dec 21, 2008 1:08 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah... I've been explaining it all day, BSPN and all these pregame shows that have the cowboys
eliminated from the playoffs are ridiculosu.
by DieSlowKeyshawn on Dec 21, 2008 1:09 PM CST up reply actions
And believe that was the first time, I've said SD in reference to cowboys scenarios today.
by DieSlowKeyshawn on Dec 21, 2008 1:10 PM CST up reply actions
HERE
LOL, all we need today is a SD OR ATL loss in order to control our own destiny.
by DieSlowKeyshawn on Dec 21, 2008 1:07 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions 0 recs
What the French?! Toast!
We are better than them
They got their collective heads so far up their collective @sse$$, we could run their show
by dcfansinceiwasababy on Dec 21, 2008 1:09 PM CST reply actions
Brees is killing me
He needs to get me some fantasy points. this running game isn’t doing anything for me.
by CowboyHornedFrogs on Dec 21, 2008 1:15 PM CST up reply actions
not NFL related
anyone going to watch the Poinsettia bowl on Tuesday night? Those Boise State Smurfs are in for a beating
by CowboyHornedFrogs on Dec 21, 2008 1:11 PM CST reply actions
San Diego let's em back into the game...
Tampa at home… this game is so so so far from over. SD needed to put them away when they had the chance.
Duane Thomas, Calvin Hill, Tony Dorsett, Emmitt Smith ... and now BOTH Marion Barber and Felix Jones
How'd they do that? TB methodically drove down the field and SD held them to a field goal.
It’s football that happens, their D and offensive has looked very impressive thus far.
by DieSlowKeyshawn on Dec 21, 2008 1:17 PM CST up reply actions
Kaeding 57 yard field goal
GOOOOOOOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!
by DieSlowKeyshawn on Dec 21, 2008 1:17 PM CST reply actions
sweetness... how long was that? 57?
Duane Thomas, Calvin Hill, Tony Dorsett, Emmitt Smith ... and now BOTH Marion Barber and Felix Jones
Yup, had enough distance for 60+ though.
You’ve got to see the throw from Rivers to set that up though, AMAZING!
by DieSlowKeyshawn on Dec 21, 2008 1:19 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, the espn scoreboard
is soooooo slllllloooooowwww
by dcfansinceiwasababy on Dec 21, 2008 1:17 PM CST reply actions
Kaeding could have drilled 65 yards there.
by DieSlowKeyshawn on Dec 21, 2008 1:18 PM CST reply actions
I Said
The same thing, that looked way to easy for him
by joey7289 on Dec 21, 2008 1:19 PM CST up reply actions
while on topic...
am i the only one who wanted the cowboys to kick a fg on that 4th and 2 last night….. folk is money
What the French?! Toast!
I wanted it too. They used the timeout too, meaning they wouldn't be able to get a stop if they didn't convert the onside.
Shoulda kicked a FG and then attempted the onside.
by DieSlowKeyshawn on Dec 21, 2008 1:22 PM CST up reply actions
i had confidence folk would of put that onside perfectly itd be up to someone to catch it
What the French?! Toast!
and even if we didn't, we still had 3 timeouts top stop their run game.
What? Back to back 70+ yard rushing TDs? You don’t say!
by DieSlowKeyshawn on Dec 21, 2008 1:24 PM CST up reply actions
am i the only one who wanted him to go for it on the 4th and inches in the 3rd quarter on the
on the 4th and inches in the 3rd quarter at mid field?
by CowboyHornedFrogs on Dec 21, 2008 1:24 PM CST up reply actions
something little like that or a fake fg gives your team confidence and a boost
What the French?! Toast!
haha
pitt missed a field goal
and chargers are playing well lets all hope they close out with a win
i have confidence in minn beating atl
they have the best rush d stop michael turner or at least slow him down
and if the skins grow a pair and beat the eagles that just makes things better
Superbowl or Bust?
Even if they lose to Wash (and ATL+TB lose) but they beat us
they’ll go to the playoffs.
by DieSlowKeyshawn on Dec 21, 2008 1:26 PM CST up reply actions
They'd be 9-6-1, we'd be 9-7
TB and ATL (if they both lose this week) would both be 10-6 if they both win next week, so technically the Eagles could keep us out of the playoffs without making it themselves. Too many scenarios, lol
by DieSlowKeyshawn on Dec 21, 2008 1:27 PM CST up reply actions
lets all hope
san diego holds on to win it
and i have confidence in the vikings d to stop atlanta and get the win
Superbowl or Bust?
I think we're gonna get a Christmas present
but will we accept it and beat the freakin Eagles?
by dcfansinceiwasababy on Dec 21, 2008 1:26 PM CST reply actions
haha
if we end up making the playoffs
the cards would be the team we have the best chance of beating
Superbowl or Bust?
if chargers win
we are in controll once again…no excuses dallas none…u might be getting one huge gift here…u better take advantage of it
Way too much time left in this game...
I’ve seen the Bucs rally too many times this season.
by DieSlowKeyshawn on Dec 21, 2008 1:32 PM CST up reply actions
We need a 3 and out and another score
to take ALL the air out!
by DieSlowKeyshawn on Dec 21, 2008 1:32 PM CST up reply actions
yea
atl losing would we great
lets just concentrate on making the playoffs even if its the 6th seed
Superbowl or Bust?