UPDATE #3: Barry Horn predicts DAL @ PHI Week 17 game likely to be moved to 4 pm ET & why it could matter for Dallas' chances
Update #3:
Barry Horn of the DMN says our game is likely to be moved to the 4 PM slot. This would make the first part of Update #2 irrelevant (that is, that games can't be moved to a different time on the same network), and goes to the second point of my original post. Here are Horn's thoughts:
http://sportsmediablog.dallasnews.com/archives/2008/12/cowboys-eagles-in-week-17-will.html
Hat tip to DC_fan (see his comment below) for this information.
One remark about this, however, per the second point of Update #2:
I think there is still a chance the game is kept at 1 PM because of the lure of Philly not being mathematically eliminated yet (provided Tampa and/or Chicago win next week {and that Chicago wins tomorrow night against GB} if they play at 1 PM and Philly plays at 4 PM). That is, if the game is shown later and Philly is mathematically out of the playoff running, fewer people could tune in.
If I had to guess, I would go with what Horn is saying. That was the original point of my first post. The Cowboys are such a draw that even if the game comes after Philly is eliminated earlier in the day, a large audience can still be expected to watch Dallas to see if they make or are eliminated from the playoffs, as well as to see the entire Philly-Terrell Owens-Donovan McNabb angle play out.
It also must be pointed out that Horn's thoughts on this matter came several days ago (his post is from Dec 18). Thus, considerations for playoff eligibility and the like regarding the Eagles for this game might not have entered into Horn's thoughts at the time. I hope Horn's right; that could make the Cowboys' task much easier if Philly knows their season is over right around tip off time of their game with Dallas.
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Update #2:
DieSlowKeyshawn said over in the main blog post on this subject that the network/NFL can not change the time of the kickoff on the same network. That is, that the start time could not be moved from 1 PM to 4 PM. I don't know if this is correct or not, but I wanted to pass it along. If this is true, then all of my post should be ignored.
It seems that games have been moved in the past to maximize viewership for doubleheaders (both CBS and FOX have doubleheaders next week), but I don't know the rules. Also, the NFL may not want to move the Dallas-Philly game because if they make it later, fewer people may watch if they know that Philly has already been eliminated. That would make sense, and would argue for having the Denver-San Diego game in prime time Sunday night as nothing that happens earlier in the day can affect the importance of that game.
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Update #1:
Here's the official clarification (my bad, Rafael and others who had this correct):
The rule, per NFL spokesman Greg Aiello, is that up to three teams may play up to six times in prime-time.
That is, even though we and the Eagles had 5 prime time appearances so far this year (the normal limit for NFL teams), this clarification makes it clear the Philly-Dallas game was still eligible to be flexed.
PFT had updated their info since I last took a look there. Sorry about that.
I'll keep what I wrote below, with the caveat that it appears as though we were not picked for the game, but we still might benefit from the 1 PM/4 PM scheduling with FOX for our tilt with Philly.
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Ok, first things first.
I'm only writing this post to help let people know that Dallas wasn't "dissed" for the Sunday night spot, and to still give some hope for the scheduling of next week's games.
I am almost certain (actually now less certain; see Aussie Cowboy's first comment below, as well as my response) that the Dallas-Philly game was never eligible to be flexed into the Sunday night spot. Others have written comments saying that the San Diego-Denver game has been put in the time slot, which would make sense as it is a win-and-in for both teams.
The reason why the Dallas game could not be flexed to Sunday night was because the Cowboys and the Eagles have each participated in 5 prime time games this year, the maximum the NFL allows. Thus, this matchup was not permitted to be moved into a night spot.
However, what still could happen, and be in our favor, is if we are rescheduled to play at 4 PM instead of 1 PM and the Tampa and/or Chicago games (if Chicago wins tomorrow) are made/kept at 1 PM. That way, if either of those teams win (pending CHI wins tomorrow), then when our game is starting, or soon thereafter, PHI would know they are out of the playoffs even if they win. As you might imagine, that could be enormously beneficial to Dallas' chances in the contest.
I'm almost certain FOX can make this move, and I believe that they will make it. Of the various NFC teams still competing for a playoff spot, we (and the Eagles) are by far the 'sexiest' team still in the hunt. Especially considering both teams could go into the game mathematically alive for the final NFC playoff spot (the only NFC game next weekend with that possibility).
My guess is this move will be made, and you will see our game go to 4 PM and, at least, the Tampa game stays at 1 PM. If all works out as it should, Philly will know at kickoff or very shortly following it that they are done, and it's time to play Kolb, rest Westbrook, etc. Not saying that will happen, but it would be much more likely, even if Philly's staff won't say that publicly.
Keep your fingers crossed on the schedulemaking here.
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NBC considered flexing us,
I think thats because previous appearences are not considered for week 17 flex games
by aussie_cowboy on Dec 21, 2008 8:39 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Ah, ok...
…I read something different, but you may be correct. I could be wrong here. I saw something about this on Pro Football Talk and some other place, so I’m not sure. But I thought the guy wrote that we could not be on b/c of the 5 appearances allowed for prime time.
by PaulFVillarreal on Dec 21, 2008 8:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If fox flex us,
whe will they announce it?
by aussie_cowboy on Dec 21, 2008 8:40 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
tuesday
i think
Superbowl or Bust?
by MrMinority on Dec 21, 2008 8:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Great question
I dont know the answer. I just heard Joe Buck talking about how the games could be moved around, the times of the starts, based on network considerations. We’ll just have to keep our eyes open on this.
by PaulFVillarreal on Dec 21, 2008 8:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i hope its at 4
and the bucs win so the eagles just treat it like a pre season game
but if its at 4 i wont be able to watch it cuz they’ll show the redskins game instead cuz i live in d.c.
but when its at 1 pm they’re showing it here
i’d take a win over me watching the game any day though
Superbowl or Bust?
by MrMinority on Dec 21, 2008 8:41 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
If Philly knows they're out...
…then look for Westbrook to be used less, and possibly even Kolb to come in.
They might not make the Kolb move, but given that there’s a good chance that McNabb is done in Philly they will not want him to get hurt before they ship him out, or else he loses value.
This is going to be tough. Philly will have a lot of media pressure on them to play us hard, but the Philly brass is not going to want to get Westbrook or McNabb hurt in a meaningless game, if everyone knows that is what it is.
Let’s hope we’re at 4 PM and Tampa and possibly Chicago are at 1 PM. This will likely tick some people off who hates us, but FOX can justify the move because both us and Philly are in the playoff hunt and because we do such big viewership numbers.
Keeping my fingers crossed.
by PaulFVillarreal on Dec 21, 2008 8:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and with kolb in
that helps ware break the record as well
Superbowl or Bust?
by MrMinority on Dec 21, 2008 8:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
thats hard to imagine
i think philly will come out to ruin our year no matter what. especially at home.
by 325424 on Dec 21, 2008 8:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I dont think they will rest players,
but I thik that if they know they cant make the playoffs there is bound to be some sort of emotional letdown.
by aussie_cowboy on Dec 21, 2008 9:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You're right
But some of the big wigs — including possibly Reid himself — may want to protect Westbrook for next year and preserve McNabb for a possible trade.
The guys in the front office hate Dallas, no doubt, but that doesn’t mean they want to see McNabb get hurt when they may be about to trade him. And as fragile as Westbrook is, do you really want to risk another injury with him in what could be a meaningless game?
We’ll see. I’m not saying they won’t come out full blazes against us. What I’m saying is that if the Eagles know the game means nothing for their own postseason hopes, there is at least the chance that they dial things back a bit to protect their investments. Again, this would have to be done subtlety (like having Westbrook in the game but not using him much) in all likelihood, so as to not take heat from the media or fans for laying down for the hated Cowboys, but it still could happen. Moving the start time of the game to 4 PM would at least give Dallas the opportunity to benefit from the Eagles’ knowing their season is over if Tampa or Chicago were to play and win at 1 PM next week (provided Chicago wins tomorrow night).
by PaulFVillarreal on Dec 21, 2008 11:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully TB jumps out quick...
by 2 or more scores, then all we have to do is get up and they should quit. Nothing worse than playing for nothing. Even though they would not give up it is human nature knowing you don’t want to be on crutches for your offseason.
by Ranger Capt on Dec 21, 2008 9:42 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
See this link by Barry Horn, the DMN sports media guy
He says that it is likely that our game will be moved to 4:00pm. Here’s the link.
"So you can’t stiff arm at all? What about the throat?"- Marion "Barbarian" Barber
by DC_fan on Dec 21, 2008 10:17 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
That's not a surprise to me
I thought that this would happen
by Deke on Dec 21, 2008 10:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Terrific
Thanks a lot, DC Fan. I’ll update the post again with that info
by PaulFVillarreal on Dec 21, 2008 11:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
NBC is running S.D vs. Denver next Sunday Night
by Rafael Vela on Dec 21, 2008 11:39 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, Rafael
Though it would be great for Dallas if Philly had more time before the game started to know, definitively, that they were eliminated from the playoffs, a 4 PM start of the DAL @ PHI game may still be sufficient to dampen the Iggles’ motivation if Tampa and/or Chicago win 1 PM games. You know Philly will get the word soon after kickoff if they aren’t sure of their fate when the game starts.
by PaulFVillarreal on Dec 21, 2008 11:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Eagles will NOT roll over and hand us a playoff spot...
Absolutely no way, no how…
If they’re out of it, they’re coming out with guns blazing to make sure we suffer the same fate… Bank on it.
by N41D on Dec 22, 2008 1:42 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Hope its moved to 3PM
because the Texans play at home at 12. Any Houstonians know if the Cowboys game will be showed if it stays a noon game?
by bryangene on Dec 22, 2008 9:54 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Bryangene and Deke...
…really appreciate it.
Let’s hope Tampa and possibly Chicago get the job done early in their games at 1 PM and the Eagles know they’re done by the time kickoff ensues. I really think this could help us.
Thanks, NFL!
by PaulFVillarreal on Dec 22, 2008 2:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think it will change PHI's game plan
It’s the last game of the year and even if they are eliminated by kickoff, there is no reason to rest any players. I fully expect them to play Dallas as hard as ever. In fact if they are eliminated, they might actually play much looser and be even more dangerous.
T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003
by APerfectStar on Dec 22, 2008 7:15 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
i agree
i bet they want to be spoilers
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by princeton11loveshalos on Dec 23, 2008 3:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's a good point, APerfectStar
Let’s hope that they are out of it at gametime and that this doesn’t make them as loosey goosey as you accurately say that it might.
by PaulFVillarreal on Dec 24, 2008 1:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I dont think they will play a "loose" game if they are out of it.
There is a difference between knowing a week in advance that you cant make the playoffs, and coming into the game with no pressure, and the situation the Eagles might be in. They will find out just before kickoff if they still have a shot. If they dont, this situation is far more likely to produce a somber and deflated team than anything else.
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Dec 24, 2008 2:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
They hate us
It wouldn’t matter if they were 0-15 going into this one.
They will play all out for a W regardless.
That’s the nature of the NFC east , and particularly these 2 teams
To the Eagles fans this will be a Super Bowl
by oldtimer on Dec 24, 2008 8:08 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

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